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| 20:07.21 | aeryndunham | bangs her head against the wall |
| 20:20.22 | TodPunk | as one does |
| 20:20.33 | TodPunk | To be fair, you're basically choosing the hardest mode to install linux |
| 20:20.40 | TodPunk | Macs are shit |
| 20:21.11 | TodPunk | you do not get to own it without jumping extremely painful hoops |
| 20:21.30 | TodPunk | The good news is that once you are through this maze, you will know many more things |
| 20:21.38 | aeryndunham | I'm almost there |
| 20:21.40 | aeryndunham | and this last step |
| 20:21.51 | TodPunk | Unless you're referring to your job, in which case, welcome to entry level IT =cP |
| 20:22.06 | TodPunk | It doesn't get better, the idiots yelling at you just get higher paid |
| 20:22.11 | aeryndunham | I kinda want to just delete everything and start over but THAT looks hard too |
| 20:22.15 | aeryndunham | and yeah, work was crap too |
| 20:24.55 | aeryndunham | and there's no junk food in my cabin and this is terrible |
| 20:27.21 | aeryndunham | TodPunk: It is installed, and I partitions look ok |
| 20:27.36 | TodPunk | doesn't boot though? |
| 20:28.04 | aeryndunham | TodPunk: I just can't get it online; I think I need wifi drivers or something, I found them, put them on a USB, but the only usb format both mac and linux can do now is I guess exfat, BUT it can only read exfat if I DOWNLOAD SOME PACKAGES |
| 20:28.22 | TodPunk | hahahahaha, yeah, this is a fun problem |
| 20:28.30 | TodPunk | you can also do FAT32 I believe |
| 20:28.34 | TodPunk | but that's harder to setup |
| 20:28.40 | aeryndunham | My mac won't wtite to fat32 |
| 20:28.44 | TodPunk | .... |
| 20:28.49 | TodPunk | w.t.f. |
| 20:28.49 | aeryndunham | this poor usb has been reformatted about 17645234234 times |
| 20:29.47 | aeryndunham | I can format to Mac OS Extended, exFAT, and MS-DOS (FAT) but that 3rd option doesn't seem to work |
| 20:30.14 | TodPunk | it /should/ |
| 20:30.32 | TodPunk | but it could mean a number of different kinds of things |
| 20:30.47 | TodPunk | you also would need to repartition the USB so the /type/ is valid for linux to work with it right |
| 20:30.57 | aeryndunham | I'm not even sure I downloaded the right driver of if I'll know how to install it |
| 20:31.24 | aeryndunham | I can do GUID or MBR |
| 20:32.00 | TodPunk | As an odd-ball suggestion, you might just try Ubuntu desktop instead, it tends to work out-of-box better than the enterprise stuff. Or Fedora if that be your pleasure, but they put less effort into those things |
| 20:32.13 | TodPunk | Suse is not going to have the compatability extremities |
| 20:32.14 | aeryndunham | Ugh, I can use Ubuntu but I really don't like it |
| 20:32.23 | TodPunk | not even kubuntu? |
| 20:32.25 | aeryndunham | likes suse and doesn't really know why |
| 20:32.49 | aeryndunham | I know that installing Ubuntu or Mint maybe would be easier but I don't want to be defeated by an operating system |
| 20:33.00 | TodPunk | story time! |
| 20:33.10 | TodPunk | I once contracted with Novell to setup a Groupwise system |
| 20:33.21 | TodPunk | this necessitated we setup to Suse servers with a consultant |
| 20:33.42 | TodPunk | we got two Supermicros boxes and setup an entire week with the consultant, the first day of which was supposed to be installing the OS |
| 20:34.02 | TodPunk | it didn't even work, because Suse didn't have the driver for the 3ware card we were using, which had been in the linux kernel for 3 years |
| 20:34.44 | TodPunk | We spent two days backporting that patch to this version of Suse, and then groupwise wouldn't even look at installing because it looked like our license wasn't for this version of Suse |
| 20:35.00 | TodPunk | I felt like I was using Debian with all it's out-dated nonsense |
| 20:35.06 | TodPunk | except somehow this was /behind/ Debian |
| 20:35.19 | TodPunk | I swore off Suse ever since |
| 20:35.29 | TodPunk | Hear my tale of woe, and be warned |
| 20:35.43 | aeryndunham | huh, I thought suse enterprise was pretty good |
| 20:35.55 | TodPunk | (and no, Suse doesn't offer any features that make this nonsense worth it) |
| 20:36.16 | TodPunk | Unrelated: yast is objectively horrible |
| 20:36.21 | aeryndunham | I've installed a lot of things in VirtualBox, and for whatever reason I liked openSUSE. But maybe I just like KDE, you're right. But there aren't too many good KDE distros these days, it seems |
| 20:36.58 | TodPunk | kubuntu is officially supported, and fedora has a kde version too, which is otherwise the same as normal Gnome fedora |
| 20:37.16 | TodPunk | I spend less time with the WM and more with the apps, so I don't care for either, they're both slow terrible stupidities |
| 20:37.17 | aeryndunham | Maybe I'll go Kubuntu, Ubuntu DOES seem easy to install |
| 20:37.35 | aeryndunham | plasma just.... looks nice |
| 20:37.54 | TodPunk | wtf is plasma? |
| 20:38.12 | TodPunk | oh |
| 20:38.19 | aeryndunham | kde |
| 20:38.20 | TodPunk | specific KDE thing |
| 20:38.45 | TodPunk | I turn off all the fancy stuff in any WM I use on linux. If I wanted nice looking, I wouldn't use open source |
| 20:38.55 | aeryndunham | hah |
| 20:39.02 | jsmith | aeryndunham: The KDE edition of Fedora is nice :-) |
| 20:39.06 | jsmith | is obviously biased |
| 20:39.27 | TodPunk | everything I've ever used that "looked nice" in linux is basically inefficient as hell, because X is a nightmare for efficient desktops |
| 20:40.08 | TodPunk | (case in point, OSX scrapped that whole layered thing for their OS, because it was a good idea 40 years ago, but not today, not the way it's abused) |
| 20:40.14 | aeryndunham | I've had a Macbook Pro Retina for years, I'm accustomed to things looking nice :p So whatever I innstall needs good HiDPI support |
| 20:40.33 | TodPunk | You want Windows 10 or OSC then |
| 20:40.37 | TodPunk | OSX* |
| 20:41.07 | aeryndunham | Well, it only needs HiDPI suppot so it doesn't look like crap on the only monitor I have |
| 20:41.19 | aeryndunham | I'm open to buying a more Linux-friendly laptop in the future |
| 20:41.58 | aeryndunham | hmm I have a reagular Ubuntu .iso |
| 20:42.08 | aeryndunham | I have many .iso files, now that I look |
| 20:43.48 | aeryndunham | supposes Unity isn't the worst thing in the world |
| 20:44.36 | aeryndunham | TodPunk: So you think Ubuntu is likely to see my wifi drivers all by itself? |
| 20:45.29 | aeryndunham | takes deep breaths and makes peppermint tea to de-stress herself |
| 20:45.41 | TodPunk | it's a much better likelyhood |
| 20:46.34 | TodPunk | I will teach you a trick to every modern OS except OSX: Windows Key -> first few letters of the program you want to launch -> enter |
| 20:46.50 | TodPunk | This will basically take most of the menuing and OS GUI out of your way for 90% of what you use it for |
| 20:46.56 | aeryndunham | doesn't have a Windows key :p |
| 20:47.55 | TodPunk | There's some sort of mapping on a lot of apple keyboards, but there's also a key combo for linux that's like ctrl+alt or something |
| 20:48.03 | TodPunk | the Apple key maybe |
| 20:48.05 | aeryndunham | Hmm, my Ubunto iso is 1.49GB; I wonder if that's everythng or if it's going to try to download stuff |
| 20:48.07 | TodPunk | I don't really know |
| 20:48.24 | TodPunk | it will download stuff if it has an internet connection, and you can try to wifi in the installer |
| 20:48.27 | TodPunk | it's the same kernel |
| 20:48.34 | TodPunk | explores his attic |
| 20:48.35 | jsmith | aeryndunham: That's the main system... but that won't have all the applications |
| 20:48.42 | jsmith | aeryndunham: But it's enough to get started with |
| 20:50.18 | aeryndunham | Oh good, the people in an opensuse channel can't understand where I POSSIBLY went wrong >.< |
| 20:52.09 | aeryndunham | jsmith: 16.04 isn't too out of date, is it? |
| 20:52.27 | jsmith | aeryndunham: No, it came out in April of last year -- it's fine |
| 20:52.40 | jsmith | aeryndunham: (16 is the year, 04 is the month) |
| 20:52.50 | aeryndunham | well that's logical |
| 20:57.14 | aeryndunham | makes another bootable USB |
| 20:57.39 | aeryndunham | ok here goes |
| 21:05.05 | TodPunk | 16.04 LTS is the long term supported version too, |
| 21:05.12 | TodPunk | though she's gone |
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| 21:22.14 | aeryndunham | Well, that was easy. |
| 21:25.36 | programmerq | aeryndunham⸠16.04 is the latest LTS 16 for 2016 and 04 for april. it'll be supported for years to come. |
| 21:25.43 | programmerq | next LTS will be 18.04 |
| 21:26.54 | aeryndunham | There are updates in between, right? I'm sure I've sen like 16.10 |
| 21:27.15 | programmerq | yes, but those aren't LTS releases. |
| 21:27.42 | programmerq | and support for those is dropped relatively quickly |
| 21:27.43 | aeryndunham | ah ok |
| 21:27.51 | programmerq | which is fine for some usecases |
| 21:27.57 | programmerq | I only ever use LTS for servers |
| 21:28.26 | programmerq | I haven't done the linux desktop/laptop in a while, but many folks like to update every 6 months to the latest |
| 21:29.00 | aeryndunham | I've never used Ubuntu much (I do have an Ubuntu server though), so we'll see how I end up liking this |
| 21:31.21 | programmerq | ubuntu is relatively common |
| 21:31.33 | programmerq | suse is... weird |
| 21:32.31 | aeryndunham | likes it, I dunno |
| 21:32.53 | aeryndunham | to me Ubuntu felt like cheating because it's a "beginner's"distro, and I guess I was ashamed to be a beginner |
| 21:33.14 | programmerq | suse is kind of something that is an outlier, in my opinion. |
| 21:33.30 | programmerq | if you want something more hands on and involved, I'd recommend arch |
| 21:33.54 | programmerq | arch's documentation and wiki are both good |
| 21:34.59 | programmerq | I don't have much experience with suse directly, but most folks I know that have worked with it run into the weirdest stuff |
| 21:35.12 | programmerq | zypper doing destructive things when it shouldn't |
| 21:35.23 | programmerq | their enterprise packages withold linux kernel features as a paid addon |
| 21:35.51 | programmerq | strange defaults |
| 21:36.06 | programmerq | those are the most common (albeit general) complaints I hear. |
| 21:36.39 | programmerq | most jobs I've had are a combination of rhel/cent and deb/ubuntu families |
| 21:37.10 | aeryndunham | I've been meaning to try cent so I can learn a little about redhat |
| 21:37.44 | programmerq | redhat is by far the most common enterprise server OS as far as I can tell. |
| 21:37.58 | programmerq | centos is basically the same. There are occasionally very minor differences. |
| 21:38.10 | programmerq | like, the rhel repositories are broken up a little bit more |
| 21:38.21 | programmerq | so install instructions that work on cent may need an additional repo added on rhel. |
| 21:38.27 | programmerq | but that's fairly rare |
| 21:38.47 | aeryndunham | nods |
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| 23:13.15 | TodPunk | to me the fedora/ubuntu difference mostly boils down to apt/dnf preference, and they're 90% the same for anyone's use case |
| 23:13.41 | TodPunk | there's some other system level decisions and obviously the details of config organization but most will just follow a tutorial or something for a lot of that |
| 23:14.00 | TodPunk | in the 10% where the systems engineers tweak stuff, that's going to be the preference point |
| 23:14.26 | TodPunk | and that, in my limited experience, mostly boils down to what the admin was exposed to the most early on |
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| 23:28.55 | aeryndunham | wow, can't remember the last time I used irc webchat |