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| 00:11.50 | aeryndunham | I was just about to start my dual booting adventure but now I think my wifi driver won't work in linux, making things difficut? gaaah |
| 00:13.29 | levi | Unless you've got wired networking available, yeah. You can probably get a basic system installed though. |
| 00:13.47 | aeryndunham | I don't have anything wired available |
| 00:14.04 | aeryndunham | I'm trying to see if I can download the driver I'll need to install, and keep it on a usb drive? |
| 00:14.44 | aeryndunham | I won't need wifi for the install of the OS |
| 00:15.48 | RyanE | you may be pleasantly surprised. Linux Wifi support is waaaay better than even a few years ago. |
| 00:16.11 | levi | Most wifi things that can work will work automatically. |
| 00:16.19 | aeryndunham | If I install, and the wifi doesn't work... there wILL be a way to fix it, right? |
| 00:16.36 | RyanE | I used to really hate it when hardware would work *during the install*, then it'd reboot into the install, and *stop working*. :| |
| 00:16.55 | RyanE | aeryndunham: I assume that depends on what it is, but there's no harm in doing the install and finding out. |
| 00:16.57 | levi | At the very least, you could fix it by plugging in a wifi dongle with working drivers. :) |
| 00:17.11 | programmerq | aeryndunham⸠what chipset do you have? |
| 00:17.23 | aeryndunham | doesn't have a wifi dongle |
| 00:17.30 | aeryndunham | chipset? uhhh |
| 00:18.14 | aeryndunham | at least this will all end up being very educationa; |
| 00:18.35 | levi | Well, they can be had for cheap, although I guess it might be difficult to pick one up at sea. |
| 00:19.19 | RyanE | or at most caribbean ports of call. |
| 00:20.55 | romanovic | aeryndunham: is there a live cd of the distro you want that you can use to test the wifi? |
| 00:22.53 | aeryndunham | programmerq: I think the answer is 2.4Ghz i5 Haswell (if by chipset you mean CPU) |
| 00:22.56 | aeryndunham | romanovic: No :( |
| 00:23.23 | RyanE | wireless chipset would be the applicable one. |
| 00:23.39 | aeryndunham | argh I don't know, I'm trying to find |
| 00:23.45 | levi | Unfortunately it's not always trivial to figure out what the wireless chipset is. |
| 00:23.47 | RyanE | Don't worry about it. |
| 00:24.06 | levi | It'll *probably* work. ;) |
| 00:24.09 | RyanE | I'd just give it a try |
| 00:24.32 | aeryndunham | is really scared of breaking her macbook |
| 00:24.51 | levi | Actually, I think MacBooks use some sort of Broadcom wireless chipset. |
| 00:25.06 | aeryndunham | I think so too |
| 00:25.16 | levi | I've never bothered trying to boot Linux natively on mine. |
| 00:26.13 | RyanE | me either |
| 00:26.19 | RyanE | MacOS is Unixy enough for me. |
| 00:26.38 | aeryndunham | I'm not trying to replace, just dual-boot |
| 00:27.28 | aeryndunham | And I think doing this would be good for my IT education. |
| 00:27.33 | aeryndunham | I just don't want a broken laptop. |
| 00:27.44 | RyanE | that would be even *better* for your IT education... :) |
| 00:27.47 | romanovic | do you have another device around you can use to rescue it? |
| 00:28.11 | romanovic | creating a new boot usb drive or what not? |
| 00:28.11 | aeryndunham | I've made a bootable backup of macOS Sierra and all my stuff on an external drive |
| 00:29.05 | RyanE | and you've booted with that? |
| 00:29.09 | RyanE | i.e. tested it? |
| 00:29.12 | aeryndunham | Uh no |
| 00:29.34 | aeryndunham | I used a program called CarbonCopy |
| 00:29.37 | levi | Well, you can either try that first, or live dangerously. :) |
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| 00:46.55 | aeryndunham | The backup works. :P |
| 00:51.38 | levi | You should be good then! :) |
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| 00:52.05 | aeryndunham | Yeah, just need to create a bootable usb now |
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| 16:29.58 | RyanE | seems apropos: http://xkcd.com/1782/ |
| 16:35.13 | jlp_znc | the alt text is perfect, too |
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| 17:49.47 | aeryndunham | sighs and has GOT to be doing something wrong |
| 17:50.23 | spangborn | What's up? |
| 17:50.58 | aeryndunham | I'm to the point where I should now be installing the other OS, and I've made a bootable usb out of the .iso, but it doesn't work :( |
| 17:51.35 | spangborn | Hm. What'd you use to make the bootable key? |
| 17:51.42 | aeryndunham | command line |
| 17:51.49 | aeryndunham | sudo dd soemthing |
| 17:52.17 | spangborn | Ah |
| 17:52.28 | spangborn | I just used DiskMaker |
| 17:52.43 | spangborn | Less of a chance to screw something up |
| 17:52.52 | spangborn | http://diskmakerx.com/ |
| 17:53.54 | aeryndunham | I don't need a bootable version of OS X though |
| 17:54.04 | aeryndunham | I have a bootable backup of that already |
| 17:54.16 | aeryndunham | I'll try it |
| 17:54.37 | spangborn | No, this makes the bootable USB you need to install the OS :) |
| 17:55.09 | aeryndunham | I feel so stuid in how much trouble I have had with this |
| 17:56.35 | aeryndunham | their website definitely does not imply it can create a bootable drive for other OSes, but we'll try |
| 17:57.29 | spangborn | Oh wait |
| 17:57.30 | aeryndunham | oh good, it's going to take me 30 mins to downlaod 6mb |
| 17:57.36 | spangborn | I may have understood incorrectly |
| 17:57.45 | spangborn | So you have OS X installed, and you're trying to install something else? |
| 17:57.48 | aeryndunham | yes |
| 17:57.52 | spangborn | Ah |
| 17:57.56 | spangborn | Ignore what I said then ;p |
| 17:58.03 | aeryndunham | lol |
| 17:58.06 | spangborn | I am an idiot |
| 17:58.07 | aeryndunham | I'm so stumped |
| 17:58.16 | aeryndunham | I choose to boot from the USB, and I get dumped into GRUB |
| 17:58.26 | programmerq | that sounds like it did boot |
| 17:58.33 | spangborn | Yep, that booted |
| 17:58.35 | programmerq | what iso did you put on there? |
| 17:58.39 | aeryndunham | openSUSE |
| 17:58.44 | spangborn | So then you just need to tell it to start the live "disc" |
| 17:58.54 | aeryndunham | Leap 42.1, which is out of date, but... it's what I have |
| 17:58.55 | aeryndunham | how do I do that? |
| 17:59.42 | spangborn | Grub should have a menu entry you can select |
| 17:59.48 | spangborn | To boot the actual OS |
| 17:59.55 | aeryndunham | it's just a prompt |
| 18:03.06 | aeryndunham | I don't know enough about grub to know what to type |
| 18:06.35 | frostyfrog | Oh fun. |
| 18:07.40 | TodPunk | it's a grub prompt meaning she didn't boot, it failed to boot and dumped her out |
| 18:08.02 | TodPunk | aeryndunham: what is the sudo dd command you used, because the details matter there |
| 18:08.21 | TodPunk | (and I have a specific theory on what went wrong that this would verify or disprove) |
| 18:08.51 | aeryndunham | sudo dd if=/Users/jackimurphy/Desktop/openSUSE-Leap-42.1-DVD-x86_64.iso of=/dev/rdisk1s1 bs=1m |
| 18:09.02 | frostyfrog | Well, it means that it found grub, but grub was unable to find it's own config or the partition on which the config is on. |
| 18:09.40 | programmerq | aeryndunham⸠retry it with of=/dev/rdisk1 |
| 18:09.42 | programmerq | get rid of the s1 |
| 18:09.47 | frostyfrog | err... bs=1m? I don't remember correctly, but doesn't that only copy 1MB? |
| 18:09.58 | programmerq | it does copies in 1MB chinks |
| 18:10.01 | programmerq | chunks* |
| 18:10.04 | frostyfrog | Ah, okay |
| 18:10.07 | aeryndunham | Whatever instructions I followed said to do that |
| 18:10.18 | aeryndunham | I annoyingly can't find it now |
| 18:10.35 | TodPunk | aeryndunham: yeah, you don't want the sub partition, you want the drive itself, so rdisk1, not rdisk1s1 |
| 18:10.47 | aeryndunham | ah ok |
| 18:10.50 | aeryndunham | I'll try that |
| 18:11.02 | aeryndunham | http://osxdaily.com/2015/06/05/copy-iso-to-usb-drive-mac-os-x-command/ |
| 18:11.05 | aeryndunham | is what I followed |
| 18:12.36 | TodPunk | fair enough, that guide just doesn't have the context of why you want what you want |
| 18:13.45 | aeryndunham | I do yearn for the day where I get something done WITHOUT needing to ask IRC people for help |
| 18:13.45 | TodPunk | I can't say that running the iso to the base drive will work, depends on the iso contents, but I can say that putting an iso in the partition isn't going to do a damn thing until you load a bootloader onto the USB and tell it how to boot the ISO |
| 18:14.08 | TodPunk | aeryndunham: that will be soon, but you'll always be like the rest of us, having to ask for some things to fill in the gaps =cP |
| 18:14.11 | TodPunk | No shame in it |
| 18:14.21 | spangborn | Absolutely no shame |
| 18:15.24 | TodPunk | The difference comes when (and you're lucky to have a capability for this) instead of following guides, you understand how the things work that the guides are telling you to do |
| 18:15.37 | TodPunk | it's like seeing the matrix for what it is and being able to change it how you see fit |
| 18:15.55 | aeryndunham | I unfrortunately cannot try it again now with just disk1; I have a birthday party on the beach to attend |
| 18:16.02 | TodPunk | really it's just an example of to manipulate something you must understand it =cP |
| 18:16.04 | TodPunk | nice |
| 18:16.56 | spangborn | Enjoy the beach! |
| 18:17.04 | spangborn | I'm immensely jealous of beach |
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| 19:43.07 | jima | spangborn: ? |
| 19:57.59 | TodPunk | beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaach |
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| 20:18.13 | youtah | You all might be wondering why I have gathered you here today |
| 20:18.48 | youtah | well, watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jp-WTJR02ww (curse words and crude humor warning) |
| 20:22.45 | TodPunk | http://i.imgur.com/PLTZJRh.gif |
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| 20:23.04 | youtah | lol TodPunk |
| 20:23.38 | youtah | okay, so be honest TodPunk .... how many times did you watch it? |
| 20:23.50 | TodPunk | once, most of the way through |
| 20:23.59 | youtah | took me atleast 3 times to understand what he was saying at the end |
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| 21:00.02 | TodPunk | turns out I am very adept at translating from moron |
| 21:00.18 | TodPunk | it comes from translating for people online over the years |
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| 21:08.20 | youtah | 4chan huh? |
| 21:23.03 | frostyfrog | http://xkcd.com/1782/ |
| 21:24.21 | frostyfrog | I think he's making a reference to you, jima. x3 (check the alt text) |
| 21:31.51 | frostyfrog | crap, tagged the wrong person, I think >_< |
| 21:32.20 | frostyfrog | nvm. |
| 21:32.31 | programmerq | I really want junk food. :( |
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| 22:01.12 | youtah | Going to try and see if I can SSH back into myself running Putty using Wine in the WSL (Windows Subsystem Linux) on Windows 10. |
| 22:03.44 | RyanE | Winception |
| 22:04.28 | romanovic | youtah: so.. running a windows app on a linux windows emulation layer running on a windows linux emulation layer? |
| 22:04.44 | RyanE | in a VM |
| 22:06.00 | romanovic | when we have quantum computers, will we be able to run quantum vm's N levels deep for c^N quantum processing speed? |
| 22:11.41 | youtah | Yes |
| 22:12.33 | youtah | i got bored with the idea and returned to work |
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| 22:27.45 | aeryndunham | TodPunk: YOu were right, just using disk1 worked |
| 22:28.07 | frostyfrog | may have noticed a typo on your latest blog post, aeryndunham >_> |
| 22:28.16 | frostyfrog | Did you get the dual boot working? |
| 22:29.00 | aeryndunham | Not quite yet. The installer starts now, but it's like my trackpad driver isn'g working? So I'm going to try plugging in a mouse |
| 22:29.03 | aeryndunham | and booo typos |
| 22:29.46 | frostyfrog | "media post. I and realized" |
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| 22:48.34 | aeryndunham | Ok. The installer works. The mouse works. I've just gotten to the point of 'partition the disks' and I'm compleeeetely lost |
| 22:53.40 | TodPunk | aeryndunham: in what way? |
| 22:53.53 | TodPunk | are you installing it on your same drive as your OSX is installed? |
| 22:54.27 | aeryndunham | one sec, uploading screenshot |
| 22:54.31 | TodPunk | kk |
| 22:54.41 | aeryndunham | I shrunk my OSX parition |
| 22:54.48 | aeryndunham | so there's space now |
| 22:54.55 | aeryndunham | but I'mm.... confused |
| 22:55.38 | TodPunk | That's allowed |
| 22:56.10 | aeryndunham | also I went to the beach and so there was sun and alcohol >.> |
| 22:57.40 | TodPunk | and it's Friday |
| 22:57.53 | aeryndunham | well we don't have weekends here |
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| 23:06.19 | aeryndunham | TodPunk: http://i.imgur.com/8NcBHe7.jpg I'm just LOST at what should be partitioned to what. I don't think leaving default is ok. |
| 23:07.03 | TodPunk | That might be the blurriest technical screenshot I have ever seen. How much alcohol did you say you had? =cP |
| 23:07.28 | aeryndunham | Really? I uploaded 2, one was super blurry... |
| 23:07.33 | aeryndunham | did I link the wrong one? |
| 23:07.53 | aeryndunham | http://i.imgur.com/8NcBHe7.jpg |
| 23:07.57 | aeryndunham | dangit COP |
| 23:07.59 | aeryndunham | COPY |
| 23:08.08 | aeryndunham | http://i.imgur.com/lF4bHS9.jpg |
| 23:08.17 | aeryndunham | ^^ that is the non-blurry one |
| 23:09.32 | TodPunk | ok |
| 23:09.39 | TodPunk | so /dev/sda is your internal drive |
| 23:09.45 | TodPunk | /dev/sdb is the usb stick |
| 23:09.51 | TodPunk | you can probably tell that on your own |
| 23:10.08 | aeryndunham | sda4 is the parition I made but it doesn't seem to be going there |
| 23:10.37 | TodPunk | sda4 is a partition, but it's a bad filesystem type, and quite frankly you need two partitions here |
| 23:10.56 | aeryndunham | I couldn't make it anything else on the mac end |
| 23:11.08 | aeryndunham | so what do I do |
| 23:11.08 | TodPunk | Yeah, you don't need to, let the linux end do it |
| 23:11.14 | aeryndunham | I know I need / and /home |
| 23:11.18 | TodPunk | you do not |
| 23:11.21 | TodPunk | you could |
| 23:11.24 | programmerq | you should be able to use one partition fine |
| 23:11.25 | TodPunk | but you don't have to |
| 23:11.32 | TodPunk | you should separate out /boot and / |
| 23:11.55 | programmerq | the only reason /boot should be separated is if your BIOS can't read further in on your disk |
| 23:12.00 | TodPunk | I would delete sda4 and create a 500MB partition of ext2 for /boot, and the rest for /, or two for / and /home |
| 23:12.04 | programmerq | that is relatively a non-issue on efi systems |
| 23:12.23 | programmerq | it's also necessary for things like LUKS |
| 23:12.28 | TodPunk | Or if your installer isn't going to be smart enough to setup the efi setup for you in that case |
| 23:12.29 | programmerq | (at least it was last time I looked into it) |
| 23:12.42 | TodPunk | which last I checked ( a year ago) is a lot of installers |
| 23:12.54 | TodPunk | and this is openSUSE |
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| 23:13.26 | aeryndunham | ahh I'm still confused (but hey, openSUSE is a perfectly good distro :p ) |
| 23:13.28 | TodPunk | so separating out the /boot may not be necessary, but will avoid a headache if it were, and it's easy to do anyway |
| 23:13.40 | TodPunk | do a /boot of 500MB |
| 23:13.52 | TodPunk | for simplicity, I'd keep / and /home all together in / |
| 23:14.09 | TodPunk | If you want to be cranky, you should have a couple gig of swap |
| 23:14.23 | TodPunk | but I don't typically on a desktop |
| 23:14.41 | TodPunk | rebooting is just too easy a fix |
| 23:14.58 | TodPunk | (on servers, absolutely have swap) |
| 23:15.23 | TodPunk | aeryndunham: does that set of steps make sense, starting with deleting sda4? |
| 23:16.30 | aeryndunham | Yes, I can delete sda4, but then..... I dunno where the hell it thinks it is getting 103gb for sdb4, that 50gb on sda4 is all the available space on the computer |
| 23:17.06 | programmerq | the 103gb is on sdb4, not sda4. is this a relatively large usb drive you've used? |
| 23:17.16 | aeryndunham | oh, yes |
| 23:17.32 | aeryndunham | 128GB usb drive |
| 23:18.47 | aeryndunham | ah so by default it is trying to use my USB drive>> |
| 23:18.49 | aeryndunham | ?? |
| 23:20.01 | programmerq | yeah, I think it's prompting to do that, yeah. |
| 23:20.28 | aeryndunham | I unfortunately cannot be here and doing this at the same time, I need to take in your advice and then reboot :p |
| 23:21.01 | programmerq | yup, I remember printing out tons of documentation for my first linux install or two |
| 23:21.34 | TodPunk | aeryndunham: no |
| 23:21.42 | TodPunk | you're not looking at where it wants to install things |
| 23:21.49 | aeryndunham | ahh i'm sorry |
| 23:21.54 | TodPunk | that screenshot is of what the live usb is currently |
| 23:22.09 | aeryndunham | ok |
| 23:22.34 | TodPunk | when you run the installer THAT is when you will get to delete the partition and choose where it installs, and it should be smart enough NOT to pick the USB drive |
| 23:22.54 | aeryndunham | This is in the installer though |
| 23:23.09 | aeryndunham | I can try again and take more photos |
| 23:23.15 | TodPunk | really? |
| 23:23.29 | aeryndunham | yes |
| 23:23.30 | TodPunk | Because it seems to be listing all current partitions, not where it WANTS to install to |
| 23:23.34 | TodPunk | I could be wrong |
| 23:23.42 | aeryndunham | Let me reboot and take more more pictures, brb |
| 23:23.50 | TodPunk | hasn't played with SUSE in years |
| 23:23.51 | TodPunk | kk |
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| 23:40.03 | aeryndunham | TodPunk: http://imgur.com/a/gNrVv |
| 23:45.46 | TodPunk | that's awesome |
| 23:46.19 | TodPunk | aeryndunham: so definitely undo any of the mounting stuff it's doing. You don't need a swap or anything on /dev/sdb |
| 23:47.03 | TodPunk | I think you can right click on the sda4 and delete it, then add a new partition of 500MB for the /boot (ext2) and the rest for / (ext4, I agree with avoiding btrfs for now) |
| 23:47.20 | TodPunk | It /might/ complain about not having swap, tell it to fuck off |
| 23:47.35 | TodPunk | YOU have the power, not some scruffy installer |
| 23:47.57 | TodPunk | aaaaaand I think that's it for the partitioning |
| 23:48.17 | aeryndunham | I can reall put everything else in / ? I don't need /home? |
| 23:49.26 | programmerq | you don't need /home |
| 23:49.34 | aeryndunham | huh, TIL |
| 23:49.59 | TodPunk | /home is for the weak! |
| 23:50.31 | TodPunk | (or people that want to keep users from wrecking the rest of the system but haven't figured out quotas yet) |
| 23:50.32 | aeryndunham | what is the benefit/why does it default to it? |
| 23:50.59 | TodPunk | It makes it so when you download stuff and run out of disk space, your daemons and such don't die from not being able to write to the drive |
| 23:51.05 | TodPunk | for a desktop, I never worry about this |
| 23:51.11 | aeryndunham | it's a laptop, but ok |
| 23:51.13 | TodPunk | I'm the only user, I watch my drive, etc |
| 23:51.17 | TodPunk | yeah, same thing |
| 23:51.19 | TodPunk | portable desktop |
| 23:51.43 | TodPunk | for a server, I absolutely shove off a partition for /home because other users can be dumb |
| 23:51.53 | aeryndunham | ok |
| 23:52.14 | programmerq | one job I had, the admins put our homes in a ramdisk (limited) |
| 23:52.15 | aeryndunham | So delete sda4, make a 500MB ext4 /boot, and the rest of that 50gb free to / |
| 23:52.15 | TodPunk | I guess if I did linux for my kids I'd probaby do it for them, too |
| 23:52.28 | aeryndunham | ext2 /boot I mean |
| 23:52.28 | TodPunk | mhmmm |
| 23:52.44 | TodPunk | and make sure you tell it not to mount anything from sdb |
| 23:52.46 | programmerq | this allowed us to log in still if / filled up for whatever reason (shared hosting with 1000+ users per box) |
| 23:52.46 | aeryndunham | Do I delete all that sdb stuff or will it figure it out |
| 23:53.07 | TodPunk | I don't know if you have to delete it or just revert it or tell it not to do anything to it |
| 23:53.13 | aeryndunham | ok |
| 23:53.16 | aeryndunham | well, here goes :p |
| 23:53.18 | TodPunk | but if you let it do that stuff it will totes |
| 23:53.26 | TodPunk | kill your bootable USB drive |
| 23:53.36 | aeryndunham | how? that's where it's installing from? |
| 23:53.40 | TodPunk | yes |
| 23:53.46 | aeryndunham | oh |
| 23:53.48 | aeryndunham | right |
| 23:53.50 | aeryndunham | I get it |
| 23:53.57 | TodPunk | I imagine something in here will go wrong, but we'll figure it out with you =c) |
| 23:54.07 | aeryndunham | I also sure hope the trackpad starts working once it's installed, I hate using a mouse |
| 23:54.10 | aeryndunham | lol ok |
| 23:54.12 | TodPunk | Ganbatte! |
| 23:54.18 | aeryndunham | I shall return |
