| 00:07.37 | frostyfrog | You would've had to look back a few days worth of logs, SunSparc.... Or, they quit already... |
| 00:12.21 | aeryndunham | argh wow this day just got way horrible :( |
| 00:12.40 | aeryndunham | I'm losing it out here, my job is stressing me out so bad, and I rely heavily on my part-time helpers to keep me sane, and 2 just quit |
| 00:12.56 | frostyfrog | Yikes! |
| 00:13.40 | aeryndunham | One is actually going home, he says "something came up" but I know he's been on the verge of just resiging for a long time |
| 00:14.01 | aeryndunham | And one of my current helpers who did not quit will now probably have to do his job and that guy's job, so I bet I lose him too |
| 00:15.28 | frostyfrog | prints off a 'Helpers Wanted' sign and sticks it on the door. |
| 00:16.08 | aeryndunham | Most crew don't have time for part-time jobs, and the ones who don't typically want to work HERE. |
| 00:16.12 | frostyfrog | Err... Sorry. >_> I do that kinda fake emotes in Furcadia a bunch... |
| 00:24.39 | aeryndunham | gah I wish I could just quit and walk out |
| 00:27.50 | joshh | if you quit during a voyage do you have to pay for the room for the rest of the nights? |
| 00:28.18 | aeryndunham | No, you aren't allowed to quit mid-voyage |
| 00:28.34 | aeryndunham | I mean, you can, but you'd be required to continue doing your job until whatever port you want to leave in |
| 00:28.48 | joshh | or what happens |
| 00:28.59 | aeryndunham | I don't actually know |
| 00:29.02 | aeryndunham | it just isn't done |
| 00:29.43 | joshh | are you allowed to make jokes about mutiny? |
| 00:29.50 | aeryndunham | haha sure |
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| 03:06.12 | spangborn | wat |
| 03:35.01 | romanovic | that was impressive. for a moment, spangborn existed in two states. quit, but still online |
| 03:35.43 | romanovic | wonders what spangborn-alternate experienced during those 5 minutes |
| 04:31.03 | klys | ~slashdot |
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| 15:40.32 | aeryndunham | Three and a half hours of troubleshooting later, it turns out that my computer wouldn't shut down because MySQL 5.7 is incompatible with macOS Sierra. >.< |
| 15:46.31 | spangborn | Guess who just went ass over teakettle on the ice? o/ |
| 15:46.36 | aeryndunham | :( |
| 15:46.40 | aeryndunham | You ok? |
| 15:47.09 | spangborn | Haha, yes. Just embarassed |
| 15:49.42 | aeryndunham | I've fallen on ice a fair number of times. |
| 15:50.01 | aeryndunham | You never fall when there's nobody watching and then laughing. :/ |
| 15:50.49 | spangborn | Well that's because if a tree falls in the woods and nobody notices, it doesn't make a sound ;p |
| 16:02.16 | programmerq | aeryndunham⸠that's a fun issue to have found. |
| 16:03.13 | aeryndunham | programmerq: I think I can still USE it, I guess just only turn mysql on when I need it. Which admitedly isn't for much. |
| 16:04.07 | spangborn | It's probably because they haven't updated the launchd.plist for Sierra |
| 16:04.13 | spangborn | I bet someone has a fix out there for it |
| 16:05.00 | aeryndunham | I ran this thing called EtreCheck which gave me quite a few errors for Launch Agents/Launch Daemons (mostly for things I don't even have on the computer anymore), so I was focusing on those |
| 16:05.15 | aeryndunham | But, no, the Adobe and Xquartz error messages were apparently irrelevent |
| 16:06.08 | aeryndunham | whoops, just typed 'sudo zypper up' on an ubuntu server and was confused as to why that didn't do anything. |
| 16:06.16 | spangborn | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.7/en/osx-installation-launchd.html |
| 16:06.29 | aeryndunham | Thanks! |
| 16:06.36 | spangborn | You may have a slightly out-of-date MySQL :) |
| 16:08.09 | aeryndunham | 5.7.11, so yeah, I suppose so |
| 16:09.02 | aeryndunham | mutters about needing to switch to mariadb anyway |
| 16:10.57 | spangborn | Leave it to a DB named after a woman to get things done properly right? ;) |
| 16:11.32 | aeryndunham | Exactly! :p (although MySQL is named after a girl named My too, right?) |
| 16:12.26 | spangborn | This is also true |
| 16:12.56 | spangborn | I hope nobody named their child Postgres |
| 16:14.03 | aeryndunham | lol |
| 16:14.07 | aeryndunham | or mongo |
| 16:14.40 | spangborn | lol |
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| 17:44.40 | harleypig | With pc discounters gone, where can I get reliable parts? I need to replace my power supply. |
| 17:49.15 | programmerq | "buy it online" - every remaining retailer in utah |
| 17:49.20 | programmerq | drive down to vegas and go to fry's |
| 17:51.04 | spangborn | harleypig: The only place you *might* be able to get it from is Best Buy |
| 17:51.14 | spangborn | And I say might, because they barely have anything |
| 17:51.42 | harleypig | They don't have 600 watt power supplies |
| 17:51.48 | harleypig | At least not in Stock |
| 17:52.00 | harleypig | And I don't want to deal with them anyway |
| 17:52.38 | TodPunk | yeah, you're looking at purchasing online, always |
| 17:52.48 | TodPunk | small time PC shops simply can not exist now |
| 17:53.28 | TodPunk | I don't think we have the demographics to support a Fry's as well, and I don't like Fry's anyway as I've only ever had to return things I bought there when I lived near one |
| 17:53.29 | programmerq | it's a bummer |
| 17:53.40 | programmerq | there were a few small time pc shops in barcelona |
| 17:54.03 | programmerq | they seemed to be doing fine, and they had all sorts of high end parts stocked and on display. |
| 17:54.04 | TodPunk | Part of the issue is that those that buy parts are often really picky about brand and specs |
| 17:54.08 | TodPunk | like, insanely |
| 17:55.49 | RyanE | harleypig: you need it emergency-like? |
| 17:59.00 | RyanE | I think I have one of these still in-box at my house: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004MU8VCS/ |
| 17:59.06 | RyanE | not a 600 watt, but 550. |
| 18:08.00 | harleypig | RyanE: I have a backup system I can use. And I need 600 watts. I guess I'll be buying off of Amazon. |
| 18:08.50 | spangborn | harleypig must be cracking keys with that kind of power |
| 18:16.32 | harleypig | Heh |
| 18:18.15 | spangborn | adds harleypig's IP to iptables |
| 18:19.39 | harleypig | Do I look stoopid enough to use my own ip for that? |
| 18:19.45 | harleypig | Wait |
| 18:19.45 | spangborn | lol |
| 18:19.50 | harleypig | Don't answer that. |
| 18:20.04 | spangborn | Well everyone would use youtah's IP |
| 18:20.08 | spangborn | But he's already blocked |
| 18:23.58 | harleypig | :D |
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| 19:41.42 | frostyfrog | Wait, IP for what? |
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| 20:18.43 | SunSparc | harleypig: NewEgg.com? |
| 20:21.11 | SunSparc | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139028&cm_re=600_watt_power_supply-_-17-139-028-_-Product |
| 20:24.15 | harleypig | SunSparc: I try to do a much as possible from amazon. And I found the next model fir what's currently in my box, so I'm happy. |
| 20:26.21 | SunSparc | Cool. |
| 20:26.43 | SunSparc | harleypig: Do you use Amazon Smile? Is that why the preference? |
| 20:27.41 | harleypig | Yeah. The perl foundation, natch. |
| 20:27.50 | SunSparc | Nice. :) |
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| 20:41.03 | aeryndunham | I have a leak in my ceiling. So I've lost 3 computers (they're probably fine, just can't get to them right now, roped off), no air condition, and a dozen sweating plumbers. It's FOUL in here. |
| 20:43.35 | frostyfrog | D= |
| 20:44.36 | frostyfrog | Does that mean that not many people are coming in to use the computer lab? |
| 20:44.51 | aeryndunham | You would THINK, but no |
| 20:44.58 | aeryndunham | But it's not super busy |
| 20:45.20 | aeryndunham | I'm currently backing up my computer so if I break it while partitioning, all is not lost |
| 20:45.39 | aeryndunham | I was going to do it this morning, but got distracted with my "my laptop won't shut down" issue |
| 20:47.52 | spangborn | So it's a poop pipe leak? |
| 20:48.05 | aeryndunham | No, air conditioning I think |
| 20:48.51 | spangborn | Well that's a lot better |
| 20:49.18 | aeryndunham | Yeah, but air condtioning is nice to have |
| 20:52.18 | spangborn | Well it's not like you're in the Caribbean or anything |
| 21:06.33 | TodPunk | aeryndunham: use postgres instead, it's better in every way possible except that wordpress won't run on it (which is an underhanded way of saying it's also still better) |
| 21:06.43 | aeryndunham | lol |
| 21:07.00 | aeryndunham | I don't use a database for much these days |
| 21:07.07 | aeryndunham | I'm trying to think if my current cms even uses one |
| 21:07.45 | TodPunk | ok, but I need you to remember, when you DO need a database, use postgres |
| 21:07.52 | TodPunk | not mysql, not mariadb, postgres |
| 21:08.03 | aeryndunham | haha, ok |
| 21:08.17 | TodPunk | and if some idiot suggests mongodb or cassandra, you kick them in the shins and run |
| 21:08.29 | spangborn | http://scottberkun.com/2007/asshole-driven-development/ |
| 21:08.32 | aeryndunham | I've never even heard of Cassandra, but I've heard scary things about Mongo |
| 21:08.51 | TodPunk | cassandra is the new mongo, it's hip, it's "big data" or whatever, etc |
| 21:08.53 | spangborn | Twitter uses/used(?) Cassandra |
| 21:09.02 | TodPunk | really? |
| 21:09.13 | TodPunk | that's enough of an endorsement to never use it |
| 21:09.16 | spangborn | Yep |
| 21:09.26 | aeryndunham | Oh, huh, I guess I am using a database. Yeah, the first CMS I installed DIDN'T use a database, but Ghost does |
| 21:10.01 | programmerq | what about percona? |
| 21:10.42 | TodPunk | sqlite is also acceptable |
| 21:10.48 | spangborn | Ghost uses MySQL, IIRC |
| 21:11.06 | spangborn | Oh, or it can |
| 21:15.19 | aeryndunham | Yeah, which is all I have on my server |
| 21:16.50 | aeryndunham | Before I had used Grav, which doesn't use a database |
| 21:22.40 | aeryndunham | I like Ghost |
| 21:22.58 | RyanE | Yeah, I think it was Patrick Swayze's best movie, by far. |
| 21:23.08 | aeryndunham | lol |
| 21:23.10 | aeryndunham | no |
| 21:23.16 | aeryndunham | (I actually haven't seen it) |
| 21:24.00 | RyanE | Pretty sure I took my wife to that at a drive-in before we were married. That dates me a bit. :) |
| 21:26.02 | programmerq | no I'm presenting at the BYU Linux Club next month. I have long hair. I'm tempted to bring a small one of these in case anyone asks me why I haven't cut my hair. "I have a note": http://tinyurl.com/hhkdqpd |
| 21:26.10 | programmerq | probably would work better if I was asked for a beard card |
| 21:27.49 | TodPunk | programmerq: "Because I'm better than you." |
| 21:30.40 | RyanE | what you presenting on? |
| 21:30.41 | spangborn | Hi, IPv6 question |
| 21:30.53 | spangborn | With IPv6, can we just make every single atom an IoT? |
| 21:30.59 | spangborn | ducks |
| 21:31.10 | RyanE | IoA |
| 21:31.25 | spangborn | hides from jima |
| 21:31.36 | programmerq | spangborn⸠no actually |
| 21:31.47 | programmerq | I did some napkin math when I was first learning about ipv6 |
| 21:31.51 | spangborn | Oh, not enough atoms? |
| 21:31.52 | spangborn | I kid |
| 21:32.01 | programmerq | and there isn't enough address space to give each atom in the sun an address |
| 21:32.30 | spangborn | Well I guess we'll need to abandon IPv6 and go to IPv8 |
| 21:32.32 | programmerq | the estimates for atom counts in the sun varied, but there was only enough address space for something like between 25% and 75% of the sun's atoms (depending on the estimates I found at the time) |
| 21:33.43 | programmerq | I'm presenting on docker (big surprise) |
| 21:43.31 | aeryndunham | hmm, trying to connect a guy's bluetooth mouse and I can't even get the dang thing to show up |
| 21:45.20 | TodPunk | it might not be "discoverable" |
| 21:46.36 | aeryndunham | there's literally one button on the mouse |
| 21:46.45 | RyanE | press it. :) |
| 21:47.14 | aeryndunham | Yes, I did :p The pretty blue light came on and everything |
| 21:49.30 | jlp_znc | take battery out. put battery in. |
| 21:49.57 | aeryndunham | Yep. Replaced the battery too, |
| 21:50.12 | aeryndunham | Like, bluetooth pairing isn't rocket science, I'm so frustrated. |
| 21:53.29 | TodPunk | It kind of is |
| 21:53.45 | TodPunk | there has to be a pairing mode thing, which is just annoying |
| 21:54.01 | TodPunk | hates bluetooth |
| 21:54.08 | aeryndunham | it's a microsoft surface pro and "the mouse the man at microsoft sold me" |
| 21:54.47 | TodPunk | is it the logitech thing that they sold with surfaces for a while, that looks like it's just a wedge? No wait, that's more than one button |
| 21:58.02 | jlp_znc | what's the brand/model of the mousey? |
| 21:58.44 | jlp_znc | SqueekMaster would be a great brand for a mouse |
| 21:59.14 | jlp_znc | "I have a SqueekMaster SQ-121" "oooooooooo!" |
| 21:59.30 | jlp_znc | sorry, I'll go back to lurking |
| 21:59.41 | programmerq | in my experience, microsoft's bluetooth stack has always been terrible, at least until windows 10 |
| 22:03.19 | TodPunk | all bluetooth stacks are terrible |
| 22:05.06 | programmerq | osx and android work pretty well. |
| 22:06.21 | TodPunk | I've had three android phones that I tie to several of my bluetooth devices (my car stereo, my pebble, etc) and it's always a massive pain |
| 22:07.53 | programmerq | the car pairing process is always terrible, I'll give you that. |
| 22:08.05 | programmerq | passenger wants to connect their phone? have to stop |
| 22:08.33 | TodPunk | About a third of the time when I turn on the stereo, on /this/ phone the audio still plays on the phone, despite my pressing the button on my stereo |
| 22:09.18 | TodPunk | on the /last/ phone, it just wouldn't play audio at all until I switched it to an audio source (like the radio) that played some audio, then switching back it was like it remembered it was a stereo, though the music was playing the whole time |
| 22:10.03 | TodPunk | both lose their connection with the pebble from time to time and sync back at their leisure |
| 22:10.13 | TodPunk | no idea why on any of these things |
| 22:10.35 | spangborn | Buggy BT stacks, probably |
| 22:10.40 | spangborn | Most mobile phone BT stacks are trash |
| 22:11.10 | spangborn | Samsung's and the iPhone 6 were known for being incredibly problematic |
| 22:11.14 | TodPunk | For reference, this is a Nexus 6P and the last one was a Nexus 4 |
| 22:11.29 | spangborn | Running stock OS, I'd assume? |
| 22:11.34 | TodPunk | yeah |
| 22:12.01 | TodPunk | I personally just expect every bluetooth experience to be a thing I have to manage as if it were a linux wifi connection, which is to say, a lot |
| 22:12.18 | spangborn | Apparently on the 6P they fixed a bunch of issues on 7.0 |
| 22:12.23 | TodPunk | possibly with firmware upgrades or new pairings if something significant changes |
| 22:12.29 | TodPunk | I'm on 7.0 |
| 22:12.29 | spangborn | But Google shows lots of issues with car audio systems |
| 22:13.04 | spangborn | Could easily be the BT stack on the headunit, too |
| 22:13.06 | spangborn | *shrug* |
| 22:13.07 | TodPunk | regardless, it's all stupid and I want to switch to AUX, but I want to press play on my stereo, so... |
| 22:13.17 | spangborn | I feel you. |
| 22:13.27 | TodPunk | yeah, I don't doubt /that/ side of it isn't great either |
| 22:13.27 | spangborn | I've got a 30-pin iPod to BT adapter and it's finnicky as hell |
| 22:13.41 | TodPunk | ever implemented bluetooth on an embedded device from scratch? |
| 22:13.44 | spangborn | It'll connect, know I'm connected, but still output via phone speakers |
| 22:13.47 | TodPunk | Don't, because it will drive you mad |
| 22:14.03 | TodPunk | most convoluted nonsense ever |
| 22:14.04 | spangborn | Programming any sort of radio sounds like a special kind of hell |
| 22:14.10 | TodPunk | I hear it's come far since the 1.0 days though |
| 22:14.49 | TodPunk | eh, wireless radio stuff in raw is like programming for a wire where the physics are a little less reliable |
| 22:15.03 | spangborn | I saw BT5 was announced but I haven't looked at it |
| 22:15.10 | TodPunk | things may just get missed, may get distorted in timings, etc |
| 22:15.40 | spangborn | And that's why I'd rather have a layer than handles that sort of stuff for me ;p |
| 22:15.41 | TodPunk | with a wire it's some of that, but much less variance, and almost entirely due to heat |
| 22:16.04 | spangborn | I'm okay relying on the very brilliant people who work in that space, hah |
| 22:16.07 | TodPunk | yeah |
| 22:16.22 | TodPunk | but don't you work clear up in JS layers? |
| 22:16.34 | TodPunk | (OOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHH SNAP!) |
| 22:16.37 | spangborn | Haha |
| 22:16.46 | spangborn | Sometimes JS is more primitive than BT stacks ;p |
| 22:16.54 | TodPunk | (full disclosure, I'm writing some Jasmine tests for our Karma runner right now...) |
| 22:17.18 | spangborn | At least you're working with something as modern as Jasmine! |
| 22:17.22 | TodPunk | Everything's an API unless you're writing against wires, so yeah |
| 22:17.42 | TodPunk | Why wouldn't you run really modern tests? |
| 22:17.48 | spangborn | And I did a fair amount of C for Pebble |
| 22:17.50 | TodPunk | like, there's nothing holding yo uback |
| 22:17.52 | spangborn | TodPunk: One word - enterprise |
| 22:18.06 | spangborn | Moving at glacial speeds |
| 22:18.19 | TodPunk | well, ok, but then you don't give a damn about tests for frontend, you barely acknowledge JS exists or that pages can be dynamic without a server |
| 22:18.39 | TodPunk | You might even be using Cold Fusion |
| 22:20.35 | spangborn | Haha, I'm doing my part to modernize where I can |
| 22:20.50 | spangborn | We're using Java and Velocity |
| 22:21.03 | spangborn | The irony in the Velocity's name being that it was dead 10 years ago |
| 22:21.52 | TodPunk | eh, I'm porting a Zope2 app |
| 22:22.02 | TodPunk | it was dead in 2002, and hasn't seen a patch to the source since 2004 |
| 22:22.35 | spangborn | Well, thankfully Velocity is just a (god awful) templating engine |
| 22:50.25 | levi | I have implemented a good chunk of bluetooth on an embedded device from scratch. But I was already mad, I guess. |
| 23:00.48 | TodPunk | you are indeed |
| 23:01.03 | TodPunk | we love you for it, but the sacrifices you've made.... |
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| 23:15.39 | levi | Fortunately, the details of that particular endeavor are now starting to fade from memory. |
| 23:15.59 | levi | BTW, do you still have pallets you want to break down and plane? |
| 23:17.13 | levi | I finally got my garage cleaned up enough to use my woodworking machines, and I broke out the planer to make super thin stock from scrap wood so my wife doesn't have to spend tons of money for material to build her 1:12 model furniture. |
| 23:17.23 | aeryndunham | I might be in the process of destroying my external hd. AMA! |
| 23:17.41 | levi | aeryndunham: How come? |
| 23:18.14 | aeryndunham | levi: I'm using a backup thing, and..... I don't THINK it's creating a bootable backup at the expense of my other stuff, but I'm worried |
| 23:19.22 | aeryndunham | Oh good, it's all fine |
| 23:19.24 | aeryndunham | Yay! |
| 23:20.48 | aeryndunham | anyone familiar at all with rEFInd? |
| 23:22.24 | levi | Not I. |
| 23:27.35 | TodPunk | levi: I don't /have/ them yet, but I could acquire them at any time that I can drive on the roads to do so |
| 23:36.41 | levi | Well, if you get eager to do it, let me know. |
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