| 00:00.30 | aeryndunham | Wait, your doorbell goes through the internet?? |
| 00:01.43 | TodPunk | romanovic: I don't think it will likely need any incoming ports to be fair |
| 00:02.30 | TodPunk | It would have to be firewall or mangle related |
| 00:02.45 | TodPunk | *shrug* |
| 00:03.42 | TodPunk | aeryndunham: Ring doorbells are a network accessible ringer and video comm device. So you can get audio to/from your doorbell from anywhere on your phone, and your video /from/ your doorbell while you do so |
| 00:05.34 | aeryndunham | aaah |
| 00:15.27 | TodPunk | I need to get Phone Janitor rewritten so I can get it going so I can start fiddling with open source hardware versions of all these things with open federated protocols on it all, which is what I think I'd do with my day if I didn't have to pay bills |
| 00:24.05 | aeryndunham | woooaaa, weird thing happening on our network |
| 00:24.25 | aeryndunham | certain URLs typed in a Safari on iOS are triggering a diconnect |
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| 15:36.57 | unum | eightyeight: do you know anything about mirroring the chrome repo for centos? |
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| 16:45.05 | romanovic | you know what's irritating? password reset emails that take several minutes or hours to arrive |
| 16:45.21 | spangborn | Or 2FA codes |
| 16:45.45 | programmerq | the first time I played elite dangerous, the account verification email took longer to arrive than the window I had to use it. |
| 16:45.53 | jima | romanovic: one of the few things i hate about greylisting |
| 16:45.58 | programmerq | I guessed their email server was way backed up for some reason. |
| 16:46.06 | programmerq | I opened a support ticket asking if that was the case |
| 16:46.13 | spangborn | I've had Google's SMS codes simply not show up for an entire day |
| 16:46.19 | spangborn | Which is fun when you need to get into your account |
| 16:46.21 | programmerq | the problem got better on its own, and I logged in and forgot about the support case until the next day |
| 16:46.26 | spangborn | Which is why I enabled TOTP |
| 16:46.33 | programmerq | they were all like "yep. you were right! it's good now" |
| 16:46.39 | jima | (although i may have decremented the "first seen" timestamp on a line in my greylist database the other day) |
| 16:46.47 | jima | s/line/row/ |
| 16:47.32 | spangborn | http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/health-scare-scratches-charles-manson-from-trumps-list-of-supreme-court-picks |
| 16:48.40 | jima | i was expecting him for secretary of hhs |
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| 16:48.57 | jima | maybe AG |
| 16:49.41 | spangborn | This fidget cube is addicting |
| 16:50.27 | romanovic | hey! stripe has a freenode channel |
| 16:50.45 | romanovic | stripe being the service not sending me the promised emails |
| 17:07.53 | jima | spangborn: you got yours!? |
| 17:08.18 | jima | needs to check the mail, his wife ordered a 5-pack |
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| 17:13.58 | romanovic | this is disconcerting... I processed several payments through stripe in 2016, and have a balance that needs to be sent to my account. Stripe suddenly thinks my account is brand new and have 0 transaction history |
| 17:14.48 | jima | :-| |
| 17:54.22 | TodPunk | Did you know you can just /order/ a fidget cube on amazon? |
| 17:54.28 | jima | wat |
| 17:56.11 | TodPunk | The design has been knocked off by a bunch of other producers of varying quality |
| 17:56.43 | TodPunk | which is pretty understandable, since the thing is so ridiculously simple and mostly plastic |
| 17:57.24 | spangborn | jima: I think this one is a knockoff, someone else bought it for me |
| 17:57.33 | spangborn | It came from Amazon |
| 18:00.09 | TodPunk | To be fair, if you can wade through the reviews of people that are just angry that their kickstarter money ties them to a delayed gratification, there seem to be a few that are cheaper and high enough quality to compare |
| 18:00.30 | TodPunk | probably arrive way before the kickstarter ones even if you don't get one of the prime ones |
| 18:01.48 | jima | yeah, i'd heard that it'd been co-opted by entities that are better at getting cheap crap to-market faster. :-\ |
| 18:02.27 | jima | doesn't help that they had to send back an order because it didn't meet their standards |
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| 18:48.51 | TodPunk | hehehehe, "standards" for cheap plastic nonsense. Do not build in china if you have standards. |
| 18:58.19 | frostyfrog | looks at fidget cube. |
| 18:59.21 | frostyfrog | Meh, useless for me :/ My legs fidget more than my hands ever do. |
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| 19:05.27 | aeryndunham | Oh, good, something wrong with the satellite. Instead of getting 28 megabits, we're getting 11! |
| 19:05.39 | jima | aeryndunham: solar flares |
| 19:05.56 | jima | (one of the rare occasions that page from the bofh excuse calendar becomes likely) |
| 19:06.30 | aeryndunham | lol |
| 19:06.35 | aeryndunham | weather DOES impact it |
| 19:06.40 | jima | oh, i know |
| 19:06.48 | aeryndunham | but 11?! we are totally, completely maxed out |
| 19:06.52 | jima | but i would imagine you know what the localized weather is like |
| 19:07.12 | aeryndunham | it's nice out |
| 19:07.19 | aeryndunham | we're in St. Kitts |
| 19:07.58 | jima | i love knight rider! *ducks* |
| 19:08.09 | jima | well...maybe when i was 10 |
| 19:09.07 | aeryndunham | lol |
| 19:09.16 | jima | ~lolstats |
| 19:09.18 | infobot | total count of lol on #utah: 2371. Top 3: youtah -- 1143 (48.2%), keldwud -- 117 (4.9%), jfindlay -- 70 (3.0%) |
| 19:09.29 | jima | you're going to have to up your game |
| 19:10.22 | aeryndunham | ..... I just hit my 'split konsole' command like 6 times cursing why it wasn't working before I realize I don't have tmux running |
| 19:13.00 | jima | i can assure you i've never done anything of the sort with screen |
| 19:13.05 | jima | ...right. |
| 19:13.45 | frostyfrog | Gotta love screen :3 |
| 19:14.09 | aeryndunham | screen confused me too much |
| 19:14.25 | jima | 22 years this month...i think i might legally be married to it now. |
| 19:14.36 | aeryndunham | wow |
| 19:14.45 | jima | same month i started using irc. |
| 19:14.50 | jima | no coincidence. |
| 19:14.50 | frostyfrog | Since 1995, eh? |
| 19:14.53 | joshh | at this point i only use screen for irc, since im too lazy to change up my irssi/screen flow |
| 19:15.08 | joshh | but tmux for actual terminal splitting and stuff |
| 19:15.11 | aeryndunham | gah these pings times are horrendous right no |
| 19:15.29 | jima | frostyfrog: yes |
| 19:15.43 | aeryndunham | --- google.com ping statistics --- |
| 19:15.47 | jima | four years later i started talking to this girl on irc |
| 19:15.48 | aeryndunham | 255 packets transmitted, 166 received, 34% packet loss, time 254608ms |
| 19:15.48 | aeryndunham | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 1516.498/4131.401/5898.520/936.916 ms, pipe 6 |
| 19:16.09 | jima | ~5 years after that, i married her |
| 19:16.31 | jima | err ~6, mathfail |
| 19:17.08 | jima | i owe irc for my 16+ year career in IT, too |
| 19:17.21 | aeryndunham | very cool |
| 19:17.44 | joshh | nice |
| 19:18.03 | joshh | nothing better than an IRC "how i met your mother" story |
| 19:18.11 | jima | indeed |
| 19:18.18 | jima | irc and 2600 :-P |
| 19:19.26 | frostyfrog | https://xkcd.com/322/ |
| 19:19.58 | aeryndunham | My internet is so bad right now chances od that loading are slim :p |
| 19:20.02 | frostyfrog | (There aren't many relevant IRC and XKCD comics, it seems. |
| 19:20.02 | aeryndunham | But let's try |
| 19:20.20 | jima | https://xkcd.com/1254/ is a good one |
| 19:20.53 | jima | (especially regarding me replying to spangborn's tweets here) |
| 19:21.12 | spangborn | Haha |
| 19:21.19 | spangborn | It works, I have push notifications! |
| 19:21.25 | jima | \o/ |
| 19:21.52 | jima | frostyfrog: #322 is highly community-specific, to be fair |
| 19:21.55 | spangborn | Proliferation of communication technologies is an odd thing |
| 19:22.45 | aeryndunham | I love that IRC is still a thing |
| 19:22.56 | jima | spangborn: also, <3 your ironic #blest |
| 19:23.03 | spangborn | Haha |
| 19:23.17 | frostyfrog | The other one that I found (but was a bit harsh) was this one: https://xkcd.com/276/ |
| 19:23.30 | jima | only watched the first episode of 'selfie'..."#blessed" has become a running joke in his household. |
| 19:24.05 | frostyfrog | remembers that in elementary the acceptable use form said something about no IRC. |
| 19:24.18 | aeryndunham | I'm friends with a lot of actors and #blessed is RAMPANT |
| 19:24.34 | spangborn | I personally love the "#blest" |
| 19:24.39 | spangborn | Even though it's probably overused |
| 19:24.44 | frostyfrog | A bunch of actors use IRC? |
| 19:24.47 | jima | spangborn: you're the #blest |
| 19:24.50 | spangborn | Haha |
| 19:24.57 | spangborn | jima: nou |
| 19:24.58 | aeryndunham | No, they put it on facebook and stuff |
| 19:25.15 | jima | aeryndunham: i only use it ironically...i hope i'm not a hipster. |
| 19:25.18 | frostyfrog | Oooooh |
| 19:26.00 | spangborn | Pre-hipster |
| 19:29.14 | RyanE | IRC in elementary school? Youngin's... |
| 19:29.39 | frostyfrog | Yeah, yeah. At least I use it now. |
| 19:31.35 | jima | i didn't have irc in elementary school. :-( |
| 19:31.58 | aeryndunham | IRC existed, but we didn't have computers in my elementary school really |
| 19:32.17 | frostyfrog | Not sure that it was IRC specifically. "Online chatrooms" is what I think that the AUP said. |
| 19:32.35 | jima | not sure if older than me, or just went to backwards elementary school. ;-) |
| 19:32.55 | aeryndunham | it was definitely backwards |
| 19:33.00 | jima | ok |
| 19:33.29 | frostyfrog | Your screen usage is slightly younger than I am, sooo... >_> |
| 19:33.41 | aeryndunham | Although, I dunno, what DID IRC become a thing? |
| 19:33.55 | jima | aeryndunham: when? 1988, i think. |
| 19:34.16 | jima | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat concurs |
| 19:34.21 | aeryndunham | ok, it existed when I was in elementary school then |
| 19:34.29 | jima | ditto |
| 19:34.39 | aeryndunham | I think we had a computer for playing Oregon Trail, but... no internet |
| 19:34.47 | joshh | i think i first got on it with bitchx in about 2000, which is also when i first played with linux |
| 19:34.48 | jima | aeryndunham: apple II? |
| 19:35.17 | frostyfrog | We had the blue CRT macs and equivalant blue mac laptops. |
| 19:35.40 | aeryndunham | Not sure! We had an Appple II at my house at one point; my mom's friend had it in her classroom and they were updrading to Windows, it was my first computer. I had no idea it was older than I was. |
| 19:35.53 | jima | i don't really remember computers being a thing in my school until 1990 or so, and those were apple IIs |
| 19:36.28 | jima | with oregon trail, and carmen sandiego, and some touch-typing program that wasn't mavis beacon i think |
| 19:36.41 | joshh | ya those were great |
| 19:36.45 | frostyfrog | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac_G3 That's the macs that we had in the computer lab. |
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| 19:37.31 | jima | if your school computer lab was stocked with blue&whites, then i'm definitely older than you. :-\ |
| 19:37.54 | frostyfrog | Oh yeah |
| 19:38.05 | aeryndunham | I don't remember seeing an Internet-connected computer at my school until I was in 8th grade, but I think my school was VERY behind. |
| 19:38.10 | jima | frostyfrog: plz 2 b getting off my lawn kthx ;-) |
| 19:38.22 | frostyfrog | x3 |
| 19:38.48 | jima | we had dialup in junior high...only because i set it up. |
| 19:39.01 | joshh | 2017 is making me remember that im getting up into the high 30s now |
| 19:39.06 | joshh | kinda sucks |
| 19:39.32 | aeryndunham | The official school district tech support was so bad that when I was in high school I was the sole tech support provider for most computers in the buildinf |
| 19:39.45 | jima | joshh: i'm 35, i hear ya |
| 19:39.55 | joshh | ugh im a tad older than that |
| 19:39.56 | aeryndunham | If I had studied it in college like I wanted to I'd be so smart now :p |
| 19:40.04 | joshh | and all this time i had you pegged as slightly older than me |
| 19:40.21 | jima | joshh: it's the grey hair |
| 19:40.27 | jima | (which i started getting at ~18) |
| 19:40.29 | aeryndunham | My boyfriend is 36, he thinks he's an old man now |
| 19:40.38 | joshh | ya im 36.5 or so |
| 19:40.41 | aeryndunham | I had gray hair at 18 too! |
| 19:40.43 | frostyfrog | is 22 |
| 19:40.49 | aeryndunham | is 30 |
| 19:40.58 | joshh | my hair is mostly intact, but thinning in places |
| 19:41.12 | joshh | and some slight hints of gray |
| 19:41.16 | levi | Man, what a bunch of youngsters. |
| 19:41.27 | levi | Get off my lawn! ;) |
| 19:41.43 | frostyfrog | xD |
| 19:42.07 | spangborn | https://twitter.com/hunterschwarz/status/816622610951839744 |
| 19:42.34 | joshh | i just try to stay as immature and young at heart as possible, it seems to help |
| 19:45.46 | levi | I turned 40 last year, but I don't think I look 40. |
| 19:46.10 | aeryndunham | I definitlely do not look 30 |
| 19:46.19 | aeryndunham | gets carded with hillarious frequency |
| 19:46.29 | joshh | i think i look under my age until i see myself in a picture next to 20 somethings |
| 19:46.46 | spangborn | RUH ROH |
| 19:46.51 | aeryndunham | spangborn: I just followed you on the twitters |
| 19:46.52 | spangborn | jk aeryndunham |
| 19:47.14 | spangborn | Fair warning: I tweet a lot |
| 19:47.29 | aeryndunham | thats ok |
| 19:49.35 | aeryndunham | gee it'd be nice if our satellite provider actually gave us the bandwidth we are paying for |
| 19:50.04 | aeryndunham | Meanwhile we're docked next to a Royal Caribbean ship, close enough that I connected to their wifi network, and my ping to Google dropped from 4000ms to 200ms |
| 19:51.18 | joshh | tell the captain to stick close to that ship for the entire cruise |
| 19:51.38 | aeryndunham | heh |
| 19:52.35 | joshh | maybe you can run a cat5 between the boats |
| 19:53.03 | aeryndunham | Hmm not a bad idea |
| 19:53.15 | jima | joshh: that's the stupidest idea i've ever heard |
| 19:53.21 | jima | joshh: should be fiber |
| 19:53.24 | programmerq | a cruise ship is the one place I really really don't want internet. |
| 19:53.33 | joshh | ya, good point |
| 19:53.34 | aeryndunham | We're so close that people lining up to board the Royal Caribbean ship are staring at me through my porthole |
| 19:53.51 | joshh | what port are you in |
| 19:54.01 | jima | aeryndunham: that sounds...vaguely inappropriate. |
| 19:54.12 | jima | joshh: st. kitts |
| 19:54.13 | TodPunk | St. Kitts |
| 19:54.14 | aeryndunham | programmerq: I think we should get rid of it. Offer "complete disconnection from your real life" as a perk :p |
| 19:54.15 | TodPunk | bah |
| 19:54.15 | Migs | you could string a whole fleet of ships behind the Royal Caribbean ship |
| 19:54.22 | aeryndunham | Basseterre, St Kitts & Nevis |
| 19:54.24 | jima | TodPunk: ^5 for reading ;-) |
| 19:54.26 | TodPunk | TIL that I am only slightly older than aeryndunham |
| 19:54.30 | joshh | dang, jealous |
| 19:54.30 | Migs | is a group of cruise ships called a fleet? |
| 19:54.42 | programmerq | they're called a cackle |
| 19:54.45 | TodPunk | and that my oldest kid is half her age |
| 19:54.46 | joshh | armada |
| 19:54.53 | Migs | a murder of ships |
| 19:54.53 | aeryndunham | Migs: Yep |
| 19:55.04 | aeryndunham | TodPunk: Did you think I was much younger? |
| 19:55.14 | TodPunk | I assumed you were mid 20s |
| 19:55.18 | programmerq | my guess has been mid twenties too |
| 19:55.32 | joshh | i assume everyone is mid20s unless they seem old |
| 19:55.32 | jima | TodPunk: my oldest is 2/5th her age |
| 19:55.37 | TodPunk | seemed like the stage of life you were in mirrored that of most mid-20s |
| 19:55.38 | aeryndunham | http://www.porthole.com/game-changing-guest-experience-to-launch-on-princess-cruises-this-year/ - so ths is the top secret project my bf is going to work on, it's all over the news today |
| 19:55.46 | aeryndunham | apologies for her apparent immaturity :p |
| 19:55.49 | jima | i assume everyone on the internet is a baby until i learn otherwise |
| 19:55.54 | TodPunk | jima: and you're 40ish if I recall? |
| 19:55.55 | jima | keeps your expectations in check |
| 19:56.03 | jima | TodPunk: so much for reading comprehension |
| 19:56.08 | TodPunk | right? |
| 19:56.13 | Migs | you're basically tagging all the guests like cattle? |
| 19:56.18 | jima | TodPunk: 35 :-) |
| 19:56.34 | TodPunk | oh right, you said that in the cavalcade of ages being said |
| 19:56.55 | aeryndunham | Yeah, I guess I'm a bit old to be having my "I don't know what to do with my life" crisis |
| 19:57.10 | jima | i guess joshh and TodPunk both think of me as older :-\ |
| 19:57.10 | joshh | nah |
| 19:57.12 | TodPunk | nah, I'm slightly older than you and I am right there |
| 19:57.24 | TodPunk | jima: you're cranky like an old man, how's that? |
| 19:57.34 | jima | aeryndunham: nonsense, i know people my parents' age who don't know what to do with their lives. |
| 19:57.40 | jima | aeryndunham: ...including my mom. |
| 19:57.59 | jima | TodPunk: i prefer the term "curmudgeony" |
| 19:58.08 | Migs | "The Ocean Compass requires no education or instruction thanks to its intuitive, innovative interface." (Translation: We're not paying for extra tech staff to support these devices) |
| 19:58.29 | jima | Migs: sounds accurate |
| 19:58.32 | frostyfrog | has known what they were going to do with their life since they were in junior high >_> |
| 19:58.51 | frostyfrog | I don't know what this crisis thing is all about. |
| 19:58.55 | frostyfrog | no idea. |
| 19:58.56 | jima | i've had a vague notion since junior high, yeah |
| 19:58.57 | frostyfrog | :p |
| 19:59.12 | joshh | i just wing it as i go |
| 19:59.19 | Migs | like every junior high boy, I thought I'd be making video games for a living |
| 19:59.21 | aeryndunham | I knew what I wanted to do, and then it got derailed, and now I'm back where I was in high school in terms of ambition |
| 19:59.40 | jima | iirc at least one of my high school teachers assumed i'd be working for geek squad (caveat: geek squad actually were moderately clueful prior to the best buy acquisition). |
| 19:59.40 | joshh | as long as im laughing at funny stuff and having memorable experiences, life is good |
| 20:00.05 | programmerq | I didn't realize best buy bought the geek squad. |
| 20:00.11 | frostyfrog | Like hardly any kid, I knew that I wanted to be, and I quote, "a backend low-level software engineer" |
| 20:00.17 | aeryndunham | Me either |
| 20:00.33 | aeryndunham | frostyfrog: That's a very specific ambition |
| 20:00.36 | jima | uhhh...yeah. they were a small, local business in the twin cities prior to that. |
| 20:00.49 | aeryndunham | god dangit why did macos break haskell again |
| 20:00.59 | aeryndunham | jima: Huh, TIL |
| 20:01.32 | frostyfrog | Others in that meeting were talking about police officers, firefighters, astronaughts... I made the real software engineers say "Wow!" >_> |
| 20:02.32 | programmerq | I started tinkering with websites when I was about 10 |
| 20:03.00 | programmerq | all the secondary problems related to running a website is what was interested. I now specialize in deploy/devops/whateveryouwanttocallit |
| 20:03.17 | aeryndunham | I was tinkering with websites when I was 13-14, and I kick myself that I stopped and didn't try again until like... last year |
| 20:03.35 | aeryndunham | I mean, my website is nice. But if I had kept up with it? |
| 20:03.36 | TodPunk | eh, no better time to get back in again like now |
| 20:03.52 | TodPunk | you'd be a different person, no better, no worse |
| 20:04.18 | aeryndunham | true |
| 20:04.22 | TodPunk | same as if I kept up with violin or went the executive management route |
| 20:04.34 | programmerq | programming has always been fun, but I get tired of it for big projects. |
| 20:04.36 | joshh | well, management is worse |
| 20:04.43 | programmerq | (I chose my nickname years and years ago) |
| 20:04.45 | TodPunk | the paycheck can be way better |
| 20:05.14 | aeryndunham | I got an email the other day that my SSL certificate is about to expire, and I am SURE I have it configured to auto-renew itself. It beter. :p |
| 20:05.15 | programmerq | I'm definitely addicted to startup culture now. If I go from startup to startup, it isn't unlikely that I'll end up in a management or VP role in the future. |
| 20:05.29 | programmerq | aeryndunham⸠even if it does auto-renew, you'll still need to go install the new one. |
| 20:05.32 | TodPunk | I can't do startup culture. I have to do something that matters now. |
| 20:05.42 | programmerq | that would depend on the startup |
| 20:05.54 | jima | i can't do startup culture, i need stability. |
| 20:05.55 | joshh | i like startup culture, but it can get tiring when they are constantly changing during growth |
| 20:06.00 | TodPunk | not buy into some hyped up dream bullshit about changing the world or fulfilling whatever |
| 20:06.04 | programmerq | I agree with you that I can't go work on some BS thing. I worked for HP, and I deployed the website and backing services for printers to talk to. |
| 20:06.16 | joshh | the good parts of the culture like lots of daydrinking are what i like, i guess |
| 20:06.25 | programmerq | I still don't drink though. :( |
| 20:06.46 | programmerq | it was pretty fun getting to troll people when the office got the new kegerator. "why is everyone so excited about that dishwasher?" |
| 20:06.58 | joshh | ya if you don't drink you might as well work at a boring enterprise |
| 20:07.02 | programmerq | http://cdn3.beveragefactory.com/cat-hb-kegerators.jpg |
| 20:07.18 | programmerq | at an enterprise I had no control over anything |
| 20:07.24 | jima | joshh: i work at a boring enterprise :-| |
| 20:07.28 | programmerq | where do I put my git repo? "we use cvs" |
| 20:07.31 | TodPunk | liking control is a different thing |
| 20:07.37 | jima | well...i have control over a lot. |
| 20:07.41 | TodPunk | start your own company, get the stability and the paycheck in a few years |
| 20:07.47 | joshh | having control is fine if you get a lot of credit when things work well |
| 20:07.52 | TodPunk | well, if you know what you're doing anyway |
| 20:08.03 | spangborn | Better CVS than TFS |
| 20:08.04 | TodPunk | if you're doing a startup... well, you deserve the hell you build |
| 20:08.34 | jima | i ostensibly support tfs. :-\ |
| 20:08.36 | joshh | you can have impact and control at a startup, but everything gets rewritten/rebuilt every 6 months, or a year at most |
| 20:08.44 | jima | i also support a team that uses cvs |
| 20:08.46 | joshh | which is kind of nice actually, in a way |
| 20:08.46 | aeryndunham | I don't think I'd enjoy a startup |
| 20:08.48 | TodPunk | TFS is quite nice for a lot of setups |
| 20:08.54 | jima | man...the enterprise is WEIRD. |
| 20:09.20 | TodPunk | could go back to .NET in a heartbeat |
| 20:09.23 | frostyfrog | works for a startup that is growing out of a startup. |
| 20:09.51 | jima | some of our departments have startup mentality...one field office has a ping-pong table. |
| 20:09.56 | joshh | what i'd like is a company that acts like a startup but already offers liquid equity and has a lot of money |
| 20:10.08 | frostyfrog | aeryndunham: That looks like a cool device. I wish I knew how things like that worked :/ |
| 20:10.25 | programmerq | yeah, the non-liquid equity isn't fantastic for sure. |
| 20:10.53 | programmerq | but we're heading in the right direction and we are well funded. |
| 20:11.07 | programmerq | and once my equity is liquid, I'm sure I'll be very happy. |
| 20:11.41 | levi | frostyfrog: I could make some educated guesses about how parts of it work. What parts are you interested in? |
| 20:12.21 | aeryndunham | .... I accidentally deleted my KDE panel |
| 20:12.38 | spangborn | There's an easy fix for that |
| 20:12.45 | spangborn | sudo rm â¦. nvm |
| 20:12.52 | joshh | programmerq: im basically planning to work at startups for at least 1 or 2 more jobs, then go to a liquid company, and when im too old and cranky to try keeping up with college kids, find a boring enterprise or university to retire and hide at |
| 20:13.11 | levi | My job is bizarre, and probably not a lot like many other jobs. But I haven't had a lot of others, so maybe it's more typical of something than I think. |
| 20:13.24 | jima | i've only had two IT jobs. |
| 20:14.08 | frostyfrog | levi: The "no charging" aspect and how everything's so compact. |
| 20:14.10 | programmerq | My guess for how much I might get once my company goes public (if that's the route that it will go) is in the range of "don't tell friends and family how much you have" |
| 20:15.16 | joshh | ya, best to not mention it at all if you end up getting super lucky |
| 20:15.49 | joshh | i hate those stories about how lottery winners get all their relationships ruined |
| 20:16.51 | levi | I'm guessing it's an RFID or BLE tag and most of the tech is distributed throughout the ship. |
| 20:17.28 | aeryndunham | I think so, yeah |
| 20:17.51 | aeryndunham | RFID |
| 20:19.39 | programmerq | my thinking is to talk to a finincial planner, and tie a good chunk up in various assets in the name of different LLC companies. |
| 20:19.50 | programmerq | or trusts |
| 20:20.45 | levi | There's pretty established tech for location tracking via both those technologies, and once you associate an identity with a tag that can supply real-time location info to a distributed network, it's pretty straightforward to supply most of the listed benefits. |
| 20:23.32 | aeryndunham | I assume it'd RFID because the guy in charge of the thing worked for Disney for 14 years, and they use RFID at Disney |
| 20:23.48 | aeryndunham | anyway Chris is really excited to go work on it |
| 20:23.52 | jima | neat |
| 20:25.02 | levi | Yeah, it sounds like a fun project to work on. |
| 20:25.08 | frostyfrog | Cool :3 |
| 20:25.19 | frostyfrog | Sounds like a fun project for home, too x3 |
| 20:25.34 | spangborn | Sounds like a lower maintenance iBeacon kind of thing |
| 20:26.25 | levi | I did some prototype development for some similar stuff for homes, but it's a far more difficult problem because you don't have control of a lot of infrastructure like a cruise line does. |
| 20:27.39 | levi | It's actually way easier to do if you own the environment and can get the customers to wear a single-purpose token/beacon thing. |
| 20:28.13 | frostyfrog | As far as making a consumer based product, that's true. As far as within your own home... *pulls out the sledgehammer* |
| 20:28.24 | frostyfrog | :p |
| 20:28.28 | aeryndunham | makes sense |
| 20:50.49 | levi | Well, we came up with all sorts of ways to improve things, but none of which were cheap and easy-to-use enough to put in a mass-market wireless speaker gadget. |
| 20:52.24 | levi | I was successful at being able to track the people in our office who wore fitbits as they moved around, but newer bluetooth gadgets like that are no longer as easily trackable (for understandable reasons). |
| 21:05.37 | spangborn | Unless you buy the right bluetooth hardware |
| 21:06.18 | spangborn | Something like https://penturalabs.wordpress.com/2013/09/01/ubertooth-open-source-bluetooth-sniffing/ |
| 21:53.22 | TodPunk | It is absolutely a RFID and they're just using longer range sensors to read their location. They have had these things for tracking where people are in a building by name-badge for a long time. |
| 21:53.46 | frostyfrog | ... |
| 21:53.50 | TodPunk | I'm looking forward to the point where the doors don't open for a passenger and they get very confused on how to open doors any other way |
| 21:53.57 | frostyfrog | sticks card in rfid proof wallet. |
| 21:55.57 | TodPunk | eh, don't be that paranoid about it, it mostly requires a lot of infrastructure in the building like levi is talking about, so general readers aren't that useful for something like just putting one in your storefront and passively reading everyone's RFID tags |
| 21:56.19 | TodPunk | everything has to be purposebuilt for it |
| 21:57.16 | TodPunk | I'd like something like that for my house, but construction costs for it would suck |
| 21:57.34 | frostyfrog | I'm not wooried really much. I just find it interesting that people get the whole RFID proof wallets and such. |
| 21:57.44 | frostyfrog | And ditto. |
| 21:58.01 | programmerq | if you have credit cards that hand out their CC info still via rfid, that's not a bad idea. |
| 21:58.14 | programmerq | people will carry around readers in public places just to see if they can charge anyone |
| 21:58.17 | frostyfrog | I'm sure my Mom would love to know who is home anytime during the day. |
| 21:58.43 | frostyfrog | has a google wallet card. Does that count? x3 |
| 21:59.29 | frostyfrog | Says it doesn't expire until 2022. That was a lie. :( |
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| 22:00.23 | aeryndunham | Ah, no feeling nicer than getting back to work and there NOT being a lineup of people waiting for me |
| 22:00.39 | frostyfrog | That's a nice feeling :3 |
| 22:00.44 | Migs | everyone will eventually just go back to cash |
| 22:00.46 | frostyfrog | Hey aeryndunham, what happened to the "not working on the boat anymore" thing? |
| 22:01.21 | TodPunk | but seriously, the system will have hiccups and you'll lose access to doors, entire mechanisms like paying, that sort of thing all the time |
| 22:01.49 | aeryndunham | frostyfrog: Well, I'm not coming BACK, but you don't get to just quit and bounce |
| 22:02.18 | aeryndunham | also hoorah the satellite finally kicked back into gear, 30Mb now instead of the 11 we were getting for hours |
| 22:02.19 | frostyfrog | Aaah |
| 22:02.31 | aeryndunham | I wish I could, honestly |
| 22:02.40 | aeryndunham | and I guess I CAN, but it'd burn some bridges I don't really want to burn |
| 22:02.47 | frostyfrog | nods. |
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| 22:09.12 | aeryndunham | But dang do I want to go home ASAP :( |
| 22:17.52 | aeryndunham | Well, dang, I guess I'm NOT downloading the .iso I wanted. I'm OK with abusing my Internet powers, but 4.3GB is a bit much :p |
| 23:07.45 | frostyfrog | Yeah... That is quite a bit. |
| 23:23.50 | aeryndunham | Unfortunately |
| 23:24.11 | aeryndunham | Huh, looks like installing eEFInd on macOS Sierra is going to be a major pain |
| 23:25.21 | aeryndunham | *rEFInd |
| 23:26.25 | TodPunk | "Oh, you wanted to use your computer for things we didn't intend? Yeah... we're going to have to go ahead and make that difficult on you. Sorry!" |
| 23:27.08 | aeryndunham | just wants to dual boot! |
| 23:29.31 | aeryndunham | It's *doable*, but going to be a pain |
| 23:49.32 | SunSparc | aeryndunham: Have you considered virtual machines? |
| 23:50.19 | aeryndunham | SunSparc: That's what I'm running now |
| 23:50.33 | SunSparc | Ah |
| 23:51.06 | aeryndunham | An i |
| 23:51.08 | SunSparc | I have not read back through the full conversation. :) |
| 23:51.18 | aeryndunham | and it's fine, but I'd like to run this distro "for real" |
| 23:52.43 | SunSparc | :) |
