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| 18:50.58 | Migs | ugh, my 13 year-old daughter says she wants to live in New York after she graduates high school, go to NYU, get an art degree, and open a coffee shop. |
| 18:51.01 | Migs | not even joking |
| 18:51.17 | Migs | time to break that fantasy |
| 18:51.37 | TodPunk | gotta ask her the deets |
| 18:52.14 | Migs | she's even looked up tuition costs. She wants to become a photographer and open a coffee shop/art studio where she can "sell her photos" |
| 18:52.25 | Migs | $48,000/yr at NYU according to her. |
| 18:52.44 | spangborn | Ask her if she likes working at Starbucks |
| 18:52.56 | Migs | all kids in U.S. high schools have to take a financial literacy course but I think a lot of it falls on deaf ears |
| 18:53.46 | Migs | Sometime soon I'm going to sit down with her and crunch some numbers so she can see how unrealistic this dream is. While still somehow encouraging her to pursue her passions. |
| 18:54.16 | Migs | The last thing we need is another naive liberal arts grad thinking they can just "follow their dream" and magically sustain themself |
| 18:58.56 | jholtom | That's a pretty shitty dream tbh |
| 18:59.25 | jholtom | Just gonna get my judgement out of the way first |
| 19:00.06 | Migs | kids are so dumb |
| 19:00.14 | Migs | the sooner we can smack reality into them, the better |
| 19:13.17 | TodPunk | can't smack them much anymore =c/ |
| 19:13.54 | TodPunk | unless it's with fines or twitter harassment I guess |
| 20:09.42 | romanovic | any electricians here? I can't find a breaker for my doorbell and it's really frustrating |
| 20:10.40 | romanovic | I thought it would be on one labelled as the outlet or light circuit at that part of the house, but that didn't work |
| 20:10.47 | spangborn | Most voltage to a doorbell isn't enough to hurt anyway |
| 20:11.01 | spangborn | Usually only like 24V |
| 20:11.28 | romanovic | so we systematically tried every breaker in the box, and then every breaker in the subpanel, and none of them turned off power to the doorbell |
| 20:11.38 | jlp_znc | doorbells typically run at 12 or 24 volts look for a transformer attached to a light fixture in the basement. |
| 20:11.52 | jlp_znc | none of the breakers turned it off? weird... should be on a lighting breaker. |
| 20:12.09 | romanovic | yeah I have no explanation |
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| 20:12.14 | jlp_znc | is your doorbell perhaps battery powered? |
| 20:12.22 | jlp_znc | pop the cover off and take a look |
| 20:12.28 | romanovic | no, an old wired one |
| 20:13.08 | romanovic | we got one of those new Ring doorbells |
| 20:13.46 | spangborn | The transformer is probably still retaining some power after the breaker is flipped |
| 20:13.52 | TodPunk | Even after you flip the breaker it will have some power for a while |
| 20:13.57 | TodPunk | the thing barely uses anything |
| 20:14.10 | spangborn | You'd probably be fine just pulling it wearing rubber gloves |
| 20:14.17 | TodPunk | You can probably undo it and just lick it, it won't do much |
| 20:14.26 | spangborn | 12-24V isn't gonna be lethal or probably even painful |
| 20:15.00 | jlp_znc | so you tried every breaker in the main and subpanel and none of them turned it off? |
| 20:15.38 | jlp_znc | try the mains breaker on the back of the house (usually co-located with the meter). that should kill everything. if it still has power with that off, then it's got a battery in the circuit somewhere. |
| 20:15.51 | jlp_znc | (but doorbells are usually AC, just low voltage) |
| 20:16.36 | spangborn | "All doorbells have a transformer that changes 120 volts of household electricity into 24 volts of electricity.or less. This low voltage is not dangerous and wrapping the wires that come off the transformer with electrical tape is a safe way to seal the wires. Tiny wire nuts can be used for the same purpose." |
| 20:16.36 | jlp_znc | do you just want to get rid of the old one? pop off the cover, disconnect the wires, and tape them or put wire nuts on them so they don't touch anything. |
| 20:17.12 | TodPunk | Be a man, use your teeth |
| 20:17.34 | spangborn | I've wondered how well the Ring works without the subscription |
| 20:20.02 | romanovic | spangborn: transformer retaining power... that sounds like it could be the case, I only turned each breaker off for 1-2 seconds |
| 20:20.26 | jlp_znc | I found this... basically corroborates what spangborn and I have been saying. http://www.city-data.com/forum/house/2296235-how-disable-doorbell-no-breaker.html |
| 20:22.48 | jlp_znc | http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41QnfMo5ffL.jpg <- this is what you are looking for. if you have an old pull-string ceiling lamp in the basement, it's probably stuck on the side of it. |
| 20:24.01 | jlp_znc | when you turned off the breaker(s) how did you confirm that it wasn't the right one? ringing the bell? if so, try ringing it several times on each breaker (but start with the breakers for the basement lighting). |
| 20:24.10 | jlp_znc | (if you really care about it being dead) |
| 20:24.59 | spangborn | My transformer is actually located in the wall where the actual noise-producing bell is |
| 20:25.34 | spangborn | I know this because I replaced the bell itself only to realize that the reason it wasn't working was a lack of a diode on the button itself |
| 20:25.43 | spangborn | LOL. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5A1aPjXlxo |
| 20:50.42 | aeryndunham | ... this is why I don't download mobile games. I become addicted >.< |
| 20:50.51 | aeryndunham | has been playing Mini Metro all dang day |
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| 21:15.11 | spangborn | I love Mini Metro |
| 21:15.33 | aeryndunham | Turns out I am very bad at it, but dang is it fun |
| 21:17.07 | spangborn | I don't know that I'm very good at it either, but it is definitely fun |
| 21:19.21 | aeryndunham | I also downloaded a game called Reigns which is a lot of fun |
| 21:32.22 | aeryndunham | attempts upgrade of her blog hosting cms |
| 22:00.17 | spangborn | Don't break it ;p |
| 22:00.53 | aeryndunham | well I don't think I broke it |
| 22:01.01 | aeryndunham | but the last step of the upgrade did not work |
| 22:03.07 | aeryndunham | so I'm in like upgrade limbo |
| 22:08.45 | aeryndunham | ooh I think I figured it out |
