IRC log for #utah on 20161214

00:08.25TodPunkPut on an old movie, drink something nice and relaxing, and wait out the rest of the day in a cocoon
00:39.49*** join/#utah aeryndunham (~jacki@151.124.47.51)
00:43.54aeryndunhamargh I cannot believe I cried at work again
00:43.57aeryndunhamI am such a child
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04:52.56jholtomDrink a nice cup of coffee
04:53.25jholtomNurse it for hours
04:54.44klysthink a nice cut of copy
10:41.15klys~lashdot
10:41.26klys~slashdot
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13:58.48aeryndunhambangs her head against the desk and does not know how she'll anwer the next person who says something 'like do I get to gmail.com'
14:01.40aeryndunhamThe other theses today are people who can't log in because when creating their username they misspelled their own first name; and people who have forgotten how to press the one button on the iPad to get back their home screen
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14:49.05jimaaeryndunham: "go to www.phishing.site"
14:54.58aeryndunhamlol
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15:54.11aeryndunhamresists the urge to list 'fantastic tap dancer' as a skill on her resume :p
16:04.16RyanEaeryndunham: only include it if you want to be told "prove it" during interviews.
16:04.33aeryndunhamThat would be fun :p
16:04.56aeryndunhamtechnically my Irish dancing is better than my tap
16:32.34frostyfrogOooo :3
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16:49.26SunSparcHow are you gentlemen!!
16:49.42SunSparcAll your base are belong to us.
16:49.57SunSparcYou are on the way to destruction.
16:50.36SunSparcYou have no chance to survive make your time.
16:50.52SunSparcHa Ha Ha Ha...
16:51.35fadeinTake off, every Zig!
16:52.03SunSparcFor great justice.
16:55.20frostyfrogproudly wears their pebble time
16:55.31RyanEdoes too
16:55.44RyanEReally wanted the Time2 with bigger display
16:55.58frostyfrogThat would've been cool, but meh.
16:56.30frostyfrogAt least the community is trying to rebuild the entire pebble software ecosystem and maintain it.
16:57.33SunSparcinfobot: Give RyanE a Time2
16:57.33infobotACTION gives a Time2 to RyanE
16:57.36frostyfrogis maintaining an rsync mirror of the backups of the app store and such.
16:58.07SunSparcopen source community for the win
16:59.07SunSparcAny firewall pros in here? I am unable to access port 25 on a server and I have been banging my head on Google for days.
16:59.08frostyfrogwonders if pebble watches will become like the new ergodoxes
16:59.19frostyfrogish
17:00.10frostyfrogSunSparc: iptables?
17:00.16SunSparchttp://pastebin.com/3f0KQMUH
17:00.24frostyfrogWhat're you --- *clicks link*
17:00.48SunSparcYeah, you would think so, but I cannot see anything in there that would be blocking port 25.
17:01.16SunSparcufw status shows postfix allow from anywhere.
17:01.25frostyfrogiptables-save? (I prefer the raw config file view. For what ever reason, I find it easier to read through)
17:01.34eightyeightsmall update to my password generator- now you can hyphenate the space-separated passphrases: https://ae7.st/g/
17:02.35SunSparcfrostyfrog: http://pastebin.com/nFQrDzAk
17:02.47frostyfrogThanks! :3
17:03.08SunSparcI disable ufw and still cannot get through.
17:03.26frostyfrog...
17:03.33frostyfrogWell, there's the problem!
17:03.39frostyfrogline 45
17:03.57frostyfrogdrops all packets before it hits ufw's rules
17:04.03SunSparc:(
17:04.07SunSparcSeriously?
17:04.16frostyfrogyup
17:04.33SunSparcwell thanks for that
17:04.34frostyfrogonly ports 22,80, and 443 are allowed
17:04.38SunSparc~frostyfrog++
17:04.56frostyfrogHappy to be of assistance :3
17:05.21SunSparcDo you think I need that drop?
17:07.05frostyfrogThe default action for the INPUT chain is set to drop packets, so unless you ACCEPT,REJECT,etc anything anywhere else (the ufw chains, for instance), it'll get dropped automatically.
17:07.32frostyfrogNah, you shouldn't need it
17:07.34SunSparcI assumed ufw would have overcome that.
17:07.56SunSparcThat is what I get for trusting ufw :)
17:08.39frostyfrogWell, ufw and firewalld are the two main popular firewall management utils, but they really are just scripts that sit ontop of iptables xD
17:08.48frostyfrogScripting can only do so much.
17:09.16SunSparcYeah, good point. Still helps to understand iptables.
17:09.25frostyfrog(firewalld's approach is to nuke all of iptables and start fresh, I believe. Brute force, but it allows for consistency)
17:09.30frostyfrognods.
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17:12.14SunSparcfrostyfrog: What is the best way to edit that entry out of iptables?
17:12.37SunSparcMy iptables skillz are still green.
17:13.06SunSparcedit /etc/iptables.rules?
17:13.37SunSparcOr actually /etc/iptables/rules.v4
17:14.13SunSparcThe "-A INPUT -j DROP" is the last line in there before commit
17:14.43frostyfrogI would do it in the config, personally. Makes it survive reboots.
17:15.03frostyfrogBut if you want to change it right now without restarting iptables...
17:15.24frostyfrogiptables -D INPUT -j DROP
17:16.09SunSparcGood quick test. That certainly solved the problem.
17:16.16SunSparcMore karma for frostyfrog!
17:16.23SunSparc~frostyfrog++
17:17.09frostyfrogxD
17:17.26frostyfrogshould figure out how this karma thing works someday...
17:18.01SunSparc~karma frostyfrog
17:18.01infobotfrostyfrog has karma of 2
17:18.47SunSparcJust be careful, some guys on here are a bit happy on the karma decrementations.
17:32.50fungusSunSparc, if you are going to use ufw, you should use ufw for all of your rules.  don't mix ufw with manual rules, only bad things can happen.  
17:33.46SunSparcfungus: I agree. I have only ever used ufw, so I am not sure how that rule got into iptables. Unless fail2ban or something else added it.
17:34.13frostyfrogmight've been f2b. I think that it only knows how to speak iptables.
17:34.40frostyfrogeither that, or whatever laid down the system in the first place.
17:34.57fungusYou also have manual rules to open 22,80,443 as well.  those are not from ufw.
17:35.08SunSparcYeah. My first hunch is f2b.
17:36.01fungusAlso, deleting rules is easier to just use line numbers.
17:36.27fungusiptables -L --line-numbers
17:36.31frostyfroggiggles at some of the pebble community chatter. Yesterday, they were talking about figuring out the pinouts based on the qemu emulator for the different watches.
17:36.37SunSparcfungus: It is a DigitalOcean box. I wonder if they have modified their Ubuntu installs to have certain iptables setups.
17:36.40fungusthen: iptables -D INPUT <number>
17:36.56frostyfrogSunSparc: I wouldn't doubt it.
17:37.47SunSparcfungus: Good to know
17:38.12frostyfrogfungus: I prefer the other way because I find that the saved config is a lot easier to read than the "human readable" format...
17:38.32fungusthat works too.
17:42.03fungusSince I use the Ubuntu package iptables-persistent, I just modify running rules then use it's save function to save to the config files.
17:43.48SunSparccheckout iptables-persistent
17:44.43programmerqokay, I have a (possibly?) weird question. Maybe I'm watching too much TV, but it seems like it would be a good idea to have a lawyer. Anyone know anything about finding one? I don't have any specific need other than I want to have one for "just in case".
17:46.59fungushttp://www.utahbar.org/directories/find-a-utah-lawyer/
17:47.10SunSparcprogrammerq: A friend of mine has suggested the idea of pre-paid legal to me for years: RammyShield.com
17:47.42SunSparcI have a friend who is a lawyer. Cost me something every time I talk to him. ;)
17:48.30SunSparcI have some relatives that are lawyers also. Handy to have in the family.
17:49.14programmerqis rammy shield the name of this person?
17:49.52SunSparcLooks like that is just his own domain name the redirects to the legalshield company he works with.
17:51.05programmerqlegalshield is an MLM apparently?
17:51.57SunSparcYeah, I think so. I have not looked into it very closely. But it is Utah-based so it must be. Something about Utah and MLMs.
17:52.44SunSparcSome of them can be decent, you just have to be careful. Some of them are just terrible.
17:55.28programmerqI'm not sure how I feel about having a service like that-- it seems like I'd be directed to a random attorney any time I needed anything?
17:56.21SunSparcYeah. It seems more like you have access to a "firm" rather than a specific person.
17:57.22SunSparcprogrammerq: Are you in Utah County or SLC?
17:57.30programmerqutah county
17:59.50SunSparcWell, my attorney friend is in SLC, so may not be as close as you want, but here is his site: http://www.yorkhowell.com
18:00.21SunSparcDifferent friend than the one with legalshield
18:07.34programmerqI called their number and it sounds like they don't necessarily to prepaid legal stuff.
18:11.36romanovicprogrammerq: we used to have legal counsel included as an optional benefit from work
18:12.02programmerqyeah, I had that too
18:12.22programmerqlike 2 jobs ago
18:12.23romanovicwe just paid a few extra dollars per month to be entitled to their services.  then our company was sold and I think we lost that benefit
18:12.34programmerqI called it once, and asked a question. It was weird.
18:14.01TodPunkprogrammerq: one of the issues I have with "having a lawyer" is paying for retainer
18:14.31TodPunkOtherwise this is the same as just calling him out of the blue whenever you need a lawyer down the road, which you might as well search for them at that point
18:14.50TodPunkunless you want to know which one you want ahead of time, like, for quick access?
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20:44.48frostyfrogOh, pebble users. Not sur if you guys had seen this yet, but it appears that the dev community is close to being able to write their own APIs that the official app will use via this method (their testing it out once right now without real APIs) https://github.com/pebble-dev/wiki/wiki/Mobile-Application-URI-Bootstrap
20:45.09frostyfrogThat least their was supposed the be they're... >_>
20:48.31RyanEiOS app???  iOS app?????   bah
21:17.23SunSparcThat is pretty cool how the Pepple community is coming together to do cool stuff.
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22:15.20aeryndunhamGood evening
22:15.42programmerqhello
22:17.11TodPunknot quite evening here, can't start drinking heavily yet
22:17.27RyanEhowdy
22:24.08aeryndunhamNo one has made me cry yet during this shift so I guess work is going better than usual
22:27.50aeryndunhamOh, wow. Hah. I'm reading the formal complaint log and a woman wants her cruise refunded because:
22:28.18aeryndunhamwe were pulling into port yesterday and she called the front desk asking where the gangway would be, they told her that we never know until we are right alongside and that an announcement would be made
22:28.36aeryndunhamshe apparently didn't hear the announcement but "did what she was told" and kept waiting for it and waiting and she missed her tour
22:31.13programmerqoh wow
22:35.22TodPunkwas a nap involved?  A nap seems like it would be involved.
22:36.36Migsyou snooze you lose
22:37.03aeryndunhamPeople's favorite word here is "compensation"
22:37.03Migsis that what you were implying?
22:37.11aeryndunhamthey want compensation for everything
22:37.39Migspeople are so needy
22:38.26aeryndunhamI've got a lady here now who came down asking me how you make the keyboard appear on a tablet.
22:39.22programmerq"press the spacebar" :walk away:
22:42.30programmerqhttp://neveragain.tech/
22:58.54RyanEa lot of those people believe that it "can't hurt to ask".
22:59.36aeryndunhamOf course, and at the end of the day it's my job to help. I just.. I often wonder what they've been doing with the tablet if they can't even type.
23:05.10RyanEsurfin' the interwebs
23:05.39romanovicaeryndunham: how regularly are formal complaints logged?
23:06.11aeryndunham47 on record for this cruise so far
23:06.17aeryndunhamwe are 3 days in
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23:10.13TodPunkprogrammerq: also known as "list of people that don't want to work for companies"
23:10.29programmerqwhy?
23:11.02TodPunkbecause it's vague and anti everything companies want to do?
23:11.34programmerqcompanies want to incite genocide?
23:12.37TodPunkno no, that's not what they are saying they don't want to do.  That's ostensibly WHY they don't want to do what they don't want to do, but what they don't want to do is collect data
23:14.05TodPunkregardless, it's a political statement that may not ever be taken seriously in the first place
23:16.32eightyeightso yahoo
23:16.43eightyeighthttps://techcrunch.com/2016/12/14/yahoo-discloses-hack-of-1-billion-accounts/
23:16.46eightyeight\o/
23:26.13aeryndunhamoooooooh wow one of our internet thieves actually just came in and asked me why his internet isn't working anymore
23:26.41fadeinaeryndunham: lolz
23:31.45TodPunk"cuz ur dum"
23:35.15programmerqaeryndunham▸ one of the ones you didn't know the name of?
23:35.29aeryndunhamprogrammerq: Yeah
23:35.33aeryndunhamSo his mac address got blocked
23:35.43programmerqah, that's what you did. nice.
23:41.53aeryndunhamThe guy has literally never purchased an Internet voucher onboard and has the guts to come ask me why he can't connect to wifi
23:42.04aeryndunhampanicked, though, unfortunately, and told him to check back with me tomorrow
23:48.55programmerqthat sounds like the appropriate time to just start laughing meniacally
23:50.40aeryndunhamhaha
23:51.44programmerqexactly
23:57.19romanovicaeryndunham: would it be dishonest to make an off-handed comment about what happened without directly accusing him?
23:58.37romanovic"It could be some new access point configuration that only impacts some devices.  Users aren't reporting widespread connectivity issues yet, except for those dirty thieves shamelessly stealing internet bandwidth who were kicked off"
23:59.06joshhcustomer or crewmember?
23:59.49aeryndunhamcrew

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