| 00:02.21 | TodPunk | I'm going to say something |
| 00:02.25 | TodPunk | You work on a cruise ship |
| 00:02.42 | TodPunk | your corporate environment isn't going to be very professional and mature |
| 00:03.04 | aeryndunham | This person is shoreside corporate |
| 00:03.11 | TodPunk | yes |
| 00:03.37 | aeryndunham | And I'm just confused because she keeps saying how short-staffed she is but I feel like she could have a thousand people on her team and she'd still try to do everything herself and tell everyone else their work was shit |
| 00:03.56 | TodPunk | hence my comment |
| 00:04.12 | aeryndunham | sighs |
| 00:04.13 | TodPunk | talent does not work for these kinds of places for long |
| 00:04.29 | TodPunk | (and yes, if you're still there in 10 years, I will think less of you) |
| 00:04.35 | aeryndunham | Well not onboard maybe, but Carnival Corporation is a giant company |
| 00:04.37 | TodPunk | not that you need my approval or anything |
| 00:05.20 | aeryndunham | My job is just tedious and exhausting but brainless so I keep trying to somehow wedge my way into more responsbility and no one will let me |
| 00:05.36 | aeryndunham | Probably because most of my counterparts (the Internet managers on other ships) are mostly not very smary |
| 00:05.38 | aeryndunham | *smart |
| 00:07.51 | aeryndunham | oh well |
| 00:10.01 | TodPunk | SMRT! |
| 00:10.20 | TodPunk | Unrelated rant: good lord I am sick of people bitching about how this roundabout we have is dangerous |
| 00:10.39 | TodPunk | My kid goes to the high school it is on the corner of, I drive this daily |
| 00:11.09 | TodPunk | the anecdotes about how fast people drive and how close death is with this stupid thing are just as invalid as mine saying everything looks fine every time I drive it |
| 00:11.26 | TodPunk | statistically, it's been 6 months since the school opened and NOTHING has happened |
| 00:11.42 | TodPunk | just get over it, it's safe, roundabouts work, grow up and learn to drive |
| 00:11.44 | TodPunk | </rant> |
| 00:11.49 | aeryndunham | aren't roundabouts statistically much safer than interections? |
| 00:11.56 | TodPunk | YES! Right?!?!? |
| 00:12.46 | aeryndunham | That's so weird that people are freaking out about it |
| 00:12.59 | TodPunk | It's the same phenomenon as in my neighborhood |
| 00:13.10 | TodPunk | People bitch about how fast people are driving past this park |
| 00:13.38 | TodPunk | a) that park is right off a T intersection. People CAN'T drive past it very fast in most scenarios, because the main road is the bottom of the T, not the cross |
| 00:13.57 | TodPunk | b) our big windows face that intersection, and we have yet to see anyone driving fast to our eyes |
| 00:14.01 | TodPunk | So I clocked it |
| 00:14.04 | TodPunk | nobody's speeding |
| 00:14.22 | TodPunk | but holy hell you'd think we were drag racing if you saw the complaints on Facebook |
| 00:14.25 | harleypig | Jumping in and completely ignoring the current discussion ... does anyone know of a way to up/download personal cross references in the LDS Scriptures? |
| 00:14.48 | TodPunk | harleypig: I think there's an API. Check the lds tech wiki? |
| 00:14.55 | harleypig | TodPunk: It's a hold over ... people still aren't used to these new fangled traffic thingies. |
| 00:15.15 | TodPunk | people aren't adults |
| 00:15.33 | harleypig | ooo ... I didn't realize there was one ... kewl |
| 00:15.36 | harleypig | and thanks. |
| 00:16.21 | harleypig | Regarding people, Agent K said it best. |
| 00:16.49 | harleypig | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkCwFkOZoOY |
| 00:18.03 | romanovic | TodPunk: if roundabout navigation is so distressing I think an object lesson is in order |
| 00:23.40 | romanovic | I work at a building on a roundabout, which is also next to a school and a park. somehow we've mananged to go on, day after day |
| 00:23.56 | aeryndunham | We have lots in Massachusetts |
| 00:24.04 | aeryndunham | we call them rotaries there though |
| 00:25.24 | harleypig | Hmmm ... apparently I created an account on the lds tech wiki at some point ... but I have no memory of doing so ... |
| 00:25.46 | aeryndunham | I find that on websites sometimes |
| 00:32.32 | aeryndunham | I need to finish my resume. Dangit. |
| 00:36.05 | romanovic | aeryndunham: I think you will be surprised what comes up once you get it out there, at least I was, even without a CS degree |
| 00:36.34 | TodPunk | harleypig: it's your normal lds.org account I think |
| 00:36.35 | romanovic | with the experience you've described here, my first full-time software employer would have hired someone with your skill |
| 00:37.55 | TodPunk | I think romanovic might be a slightly optimistic sort, but with some small modifiers to that statement I agree |
| 00:38.00 | harleypig | TodPunk: It is, but when I searched for information about the notebook I found forum posts by me from several years ago. |
| 00:38.20 | TodPunk | ah |
| 00:38.32 | TodPunk | well, the tech wiki has undergone some changes and migrations over the years |
| 00:38.48 | TodPunk | I don't keep up, as I'm not LDS, but way back when |
| 00:39.00 | TodPunk | it wasn't actually a wiki, it WAS a forum |
| 00:39.21 | aeryndunham | Aw, thanks guys =) |
| 00:39.23 | harleypig | Heh ... I knew about the changes. I just don't remember writing these forum posts ... |
| 00:39.30 | harleypig | aeryndunham++ |
| 00:39.32 | harleypig | just because |
| 00:40.24 | romanovic | my former employer would routinely say he'd rather hire an entry level employee who is technically inclined, and train them up |
| 00:40.42 | romanovic | rather than hire new graduates or veteran programmers. |
| 00:41.02 | aeryndunham | The education/work experience is what it is; I'm probably worryig about the stupid "skills" section too much |
| 00:41.19 | TodPunk | you are |
| 00:41.29 | romanovic | part of that reasoning was salary related, but even that entry level salary was an above average salary for the job market as a whole |
| 00:42.02 | romanovic | aeryndunham: one approach I took with mine is dividing up skills by "proficient" and "school/other experience" |
| 00:42.43 | romanovic | that way I felt justified putting on all of my skills, even the ones I had little mastery in |
| 00:44.33 | aeryndunham | I wish it were just easier to know how much of a skill was generally required to list it as something you "know" |
| 00:45.23 | aeryndunham | Or then I also feel like I don't know anything, because yeah, I can build you a fully responsive flexbox website layout, but I'll be looking up 465645 things |
| 00:47.11 | aeryndunham | sorries |
| 00:50.17 | TodPunk | The amount of a skill needed is unknown, and unknowable given our current understanding. More important is your ability to have the tenacity to figure shit out when you do NOT know things. |
| 00:50.47 | TodPunk | If you are worried about how much skill you must have, you are asking the wrong question, and the interviewer is likely to make this mistake just as well, mind you |
| 00:57.54 | aeryndunham | true |
| 01:07.41 | spangborn | ~brave-- |
| 02:23.10 | frostyfrog | looks things up all the time. |
| 02:23.46 | frostyfrog | I may look a bunch of stuff up, but I can crank out quality code if I try. |
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| 04:15.13 | klys | ~slashdot |
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| 15:38.07 | frostyfrog | Morning |
| 15:48.55 | Migs | nods |
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| 16:35.33 | youtah | I come in peace |
| 16:36.21 | youtah | to bring harleypig http://i.imgur.com/R81QSIC.jpg (click if you dare) |
| 16:37.11 | harleypig | ... |
| 16:37.15 | harleypig | *giggle* |
| 16:37.55 | harleypig | For some reason, the green hair just adds to the humor. |
| 16:37.56 | youtah | I thought... "Oh, I need to post this on IRC. This is what IRC is for." |
| 16:39.46 | harleypig | Every time someone says "I come in peace" this is what I think of. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAVf_jsBqJk |
| 16:47.06 | youtah | lol |
| 16:47.51 | youtah | are those CD's? |
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| 17:12.15 | youtah | harleypig, |
| 17:12.37 | youtah | http://imgur.com/gallery/QDOw5 |
| 17:12.39 | youtah | Enjoy |
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| 17:42.08 | aeryndunham | good afternoon! |
| 17:44.11 | youtah | HOWDY! |
| 17:44.30 | unum | howdy! howdy! I'm a cowboy" |
| 17:45.04 | RyanE | howdy |
| 17:45.14 | RyanE | very funny. give my my hat! |
| 17:45.15 | unum | bonus points if you can name the reference |
| 17:45.18 | RyanE | done |
| 17:45.19 | unum | RyanE: wins! |
| 17:45.37 | RyanE | Don't have a moving buddy? Get One!!! |
| 17:46.18 | youtah | Isn't it technically "I'm woody! Howdy howdy howdy" |
| 17:46.20 | youtah | ? |
| 17:46.25 | RyanE | My oldest, Cole, who is now 22 or so, watched Toy Story so many times, it broke the VHS tape, and we had to buy a new one. My wife and I could have recited the entire movie. |
| 17:46.53 | RyanE | That, and the entire 'Pigs Aplenty, Pigs Galore' book. |
| 17:46.57 | unum | oh wait wrong reference |
| 17:47.04 | RyanE | eh, close enough |
| 17:47.56 | spangborn | It's "Howdy howdy howdy, I'm Woody" |
| 17:48.01 | spangborn | Jeez, get it right |
| 17:48.03 | unum | mine was much more morbid |
| 17:48.13 | youtah | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkJ72p6yu-E |
| 17:48.55 | youtah | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C25l1SkYzb0 |
| 17:49.23 | unum | for some reason my fingers like to add an extra e to integer |
| 17:49.40 | spangborn | ineteger? |
| 17:49.49 | unum | http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_xnigwbXoRac/TUhV88QkCaI/AAAAAAAAAgw/ycbmYA2dzSk/w1200-h630-p-nu/Picture+11.png |
| 17:49.57 | unum | I messed up the thing I was trying to reference |
| 17:50.00 | unum | integere |
| 17:50.12 | spangborn | It's a fancy integer |
| 17:50.44 | unum | has *anyone* bought a steam machine |
| 17:51.27 | aeryndunham | throws a rock at UPS for messing up the ONE Christmas gift she ordered online |
| 17:54.05 | RyanE | heh. |
| 17:54.19 | RyanE | unum: I think my wife has. |
| 17:54.43 | aeryndunham | Also, random techy nerdy question, is it S-Q-L or 'sequel' |
| 17:55.11 | RyanE | yep |
| 17:59.16 | RyanE | It's one of those 'depends on who you ask' not-quite-to-religious-wars-level preferences. |
| 17:59.30 | programmerq | aeryndunham⸠sequel was actually a product |
| 17:59.34 | spangborn | jif or gif? |
| 17:59.35 | programmerq | so I go with SQL |
| 17:59.37 | unum | originally it was sequel and then milton bradley sued |
| 17:59.40 | RyanE | I go with S Q L. |
| 17:59.44 | unum | so it's SQL |
| 17:59.46 | spangborn | I use SQL when referring yo MySQL |
| 17:59.52 | spangborn | and Sequel when referring to the language |
| 18:00.01 | RyanE | I just know I'm SOL if I use SQL. |
| 18:00.05 | spangborn | Although SQLServer is "Sequel server" |
| 18:00.10 | spangborn | So I'm inconsistent |
| 18:00.30 | unum | I've never heard postgresequel |
| 18:01.21 | spangborn | I've always just heard the SQL of postgresql dropped |
| 18:01.24 | spangborn | "Postgres" |
| 18:01.29 | unum | lets see if I've set up the dns server for this project |
| 18:01.43 | unum | por postgres-ql |
| 18:01.46 | aeryndunham | Chris and I had a heated discussion about the proper pronuncuation last night :P |
| 18:01.52 | spangborn | Who won? |
| 18:02.03 | aeryndunham | Mostly he didn't believe I knew SQL and I think I ended up knowing more than he did :p |
| 18:02.24 | aeryndunham | I think we decided both were acceptable but that I would need to ask around |
| 18:03.02 | spangborn | Haha |
| 18:03.04 | spangborn | So you won |
| 18:03.29 | unum | did you use the concanation operator? Did you do any nasty subjoins? |
| 18:03.35 | unum | that'll show him who's boss |
| 18:03.39 | aeryndunham | haha |
| 18:04.07 | unum | I've confused people who claim to know sql with || |
| 18:04.27 | aeryndunham | admits to not knowing that one. |
| 18:04.36 | RyanE | Get a load of her Outer Joins!!! |
| 18:04.49 | aeryndunham | Concat and subjoins I understand though |
| 18:04.54 | unum | it's concanate "SELECT first_name||' '||last_name AS name |
| 18:05.11 | RyanE | hopefully 'concatenate'... :) |
| 18:05.26 | unum | ';-- DROP TABLE students; |
| 18:05.30 | RyanE | heh |
| 18:05.33 | unum | RyanE: ya that one :p |
| 18:05.35 | RyanE | little bobby tables |
| 18:05.46 | unum | always up to so much mischief |
| 18:06.00 | RyanE | https://xkcd.com/327/ |
| 18:06.21 | aeryndunham | is there ever not a relevent xkcd |
| 18:06.38 | spangborn | Nope |
| 18:07.02 | aeryndunham | lolll I like that one |
| 18:07.30 | unum | there's a whole series with that woman that's great |
| 18:07.37 | RyanE | relevant with your SQL experiences. |
| 18:07.47 | unum | I think the magic word is my favorite |
| 18:07.50 | unum | we really need that |
| 18:08.03 | unum | the guy that built asterisk was supposed to have built that in |
| 18:08.42 | RyanE | one of our 3rd-party driver developers built an easter egg into one of his Control4 drivers that activated when you it the remote control equivalent of the 'Konami Code'. :) |
| 18:09.28 | aeryndunham | magic word? |
| 18:09.45 | RyanE | UUDDLRLR#* I think is what he had to go with, being there are no 'A' and 'B' buttons. |
| 18:10.26 | unum | http://xkcd.com/806/ |
| 18:11.00 | unum | https://xkcd.com/627/ <- probably the most printed |
| 18:11.07 | unum | I should buy that one |
| 18:11.10 | aeryndunham | I need to start assembling a collection of techy xkcds that I probably didn't understand when I read them years ago |
| 18:11.14 | unum | I need more nerdy stuff in my office |
| 18:11.21 | unum | I need to replace my unix timeline as well |
| 18:13.43 | aeryndunham | I mean I recall, years ago, reading https://xkcd.com/149/ and not understanding the joke, so I've, uh, come a long way :p |
| 18:14.08 | spangborn | sudo reboot |
| 18:14.25 | spangborn | Ugh that reminds me, I need to rebuild my VPS |
| 18:15.05 | spangborn | You know a box is old when you can't get Node updates for it from official repos anymore |
| 18:15.17 | spangborn | And PHP :( |
| 18:17.32 | unum | I accidently upgrade my VPS every 2-3 years |
| 18:17.35 | aeryndunham | aww |
| 18:18.28 | spangborn | lol |
| 18:18.34 | spangborn | This is Ubuntu 12.04 |
| 18:18.44 | spangborn | So it's definitely reaching that point |
| 18:19.06 | unum | huh I can't believe the tech support flowchart isn't a poster |
| 18:19.47 | unum | with debian the installer points to "stable" instead of "toy story character" by default |
| 18:19.59 | spangborn | My rPi's are running newer versions than my servers |
| 18:20.10 | unum | so unless you go in and change it to "toy story character" it will upgrade version when you try to run a security upgrade |
| 18:20.37 | unum | atleast stable was default on the image linode used |
| 18:21.11 | spangborn | I just found a network where ICMP tunneling would be useful |
| 18:21.30 | spangborn | Intermountain Hospital's guest wifi is blocking outgoing VPN connections >:( |
| 18:22.03 | romanovic | boo. |
| 18:22.12 | aeryndunham | you'd fit right in here using ICMP tunneling :p |
| 18:22.20 | aeryndunham | man that story has gotten good |
| 18:22.36 | romanovic | I'm certain I used my VPN service while we were at Riverton hospital when our last baby was born |
| 18:22.43 | romanovic | on my mobile phone anyway |
| 18:23.17 | spangborn | romanovic: Hm. Wonder if they have their networks configured differently, then |
| 18:23.51 | romanovic | oh, you know what, I might have SSH tunnelled my traffic out of the network with JuiceSSH |
| 18:23.55 | romanovic | I can't remember now |
| 18:24.18 | spangborn | I can definitely SSH |
| 18:24.47 | romanovic | I have one server listening on 443 for SSH in case of port blocking |
| 18:24.51 | aeryndunham | I can't SSH off the ship from the corporate internet connection and it still bugs me that I haven't cracked it |
| 18:24.53 | spangborn | Haha, brilliant |
| 18:25.11 | spangborn | aeryndunham: If it's a VPS, you could make it listen on a different port |
| 18:25.18 | spangborn | I used to set my SSHD to run on 2200 |
| 18:25.26 | aeryndunham | spangborn: It is, and I've tried everything |
| 18:25.45 | spangborn | Sounds like you need some ICMP tunneling ;p |
| 18:25.52 | aeryndunham | lol |
| 18:26.02 | aeryndunham | should call the guy charing crew for this service :p |
| 18:26.06 | aeryndunham | charging |
| 18:26.20 | romanovic | aeryndunham: you can try port 443 like I mentioned above, if nothing else has worked, because they have to leave that open for HTTPS traffic. Although I guess there could be some deep packet inspection in place to block even that |
| 18:26.22 | spangborn | You gotta give the guy credit for his entrepreneurship |
| 18:26.35 | spangborn | DPI is scary |
| 18:26.54 | aeryndunham | I want to know how much money he made |
| 18:27.53 | spangborn | I know the U of U does some DPI |
| 18:28.07 | spangborn | They do stuff like sever HTTP connections halfway through downloading .torrent files |
| 18:28.14 | aeryndunham | I feel like I've tried 443. I'll have to try again |
| 18:28.19 | romanovic | is this for the campus networks? or student housing, or both? |
| 18:28.41 | aeryndunham | I remember having really good internet in my room at the U, but I wasn't trying anything fun then :p |
| 18:28.51 | spangborn | romanovic: It was student housing, at least. |
| 18:29.01 | spangborn | I had to use HTTPS or Tor to get .torrent files for uh, Linux distros |
| 18:29.20 | spangborn | Magnet links make that basically pointless now, but you get the idea |
| 18:29.34 | spangborn | aeryndunham: It was speedy, until you went over the daily data cap ;p |
| 18:30.26 | aeryndunham | spangborn: There was a data cap?? |
| 18:30.39 | spangborn | Yeah, I think it was like 20GB in a 24 hour rolling window |
| 18:30.41 | aeryndunham | Wow I was boring then if I didn't even notice that :p |
| 18:31.02 | spangborn | I never got a notice for DMCA, but I hit the cap quite a bit. |
| 18:31.38 | aeryndunham | I could see mountains from my room. I LOVED my room at the U. |
| 18:31.53 | spangborn | When they first built them, they were pretty nice rooms |
| 18:32.03 | spangborn | The new honors dorms look even nicer |
| 18:32.20 | spangborn | Right next to TRAX and the new student life center with a gym and pools |
| 18:33.46 | aeryndunham | lived in Sage Point |
| 18:33.50 | spangborn | Me too |
| 18:33.52 | aeryndunham | I see there are new places now |
| 18:33.53 | spangborn | 811 :) |
| 18:33.59 | aeryndunham | I don't have a clue |
| 18:34.51 | aeryndunham | I had my own room though |
| 18:35.22 | spangborn | I also lived in Benchmark for a bit |
| 18:35.39 | spangborn | I had a shared room in Sagepoint, but when I moved to Benchmark (for upperclassmen) I had my own room |
| 18:35.41 | aeryndunham | My friends were alll.... in whatever dorms were the furthest away |
| 18:35.52 | spangborn | Chapel Glen probably |
| 18:36.09 | aeryndunham | yeah |
| 18:36.43 | aeryndunham | The school I had come from was sO. MUCH. SMALLER... I was blown away by the size of the U campus |
| 18:37.45 | spangborn | It is a pretty sizeable campus. It's a pretty nice campus, too. |
| 18:37.46 | Migs | the U is a little too big |
| 18:38.08 | aeryndunham | Oh, it's a beautiful campus |
| 18:38.12 | spangborn | Well the problem is that they didn't build the dorms centrally |
| 18:38.17 | spangborn | Or the new ones, at least |
| 18:38.20 | spangborn | The old dorms were. |
| 18:38.38 | spangborn | So if you're going to lower campus, it's quite the journey |
| 18:38.50 | unum | I was in dorms at USU on the other side of the cemetary |
| 18:39.09 | aeryndunham | I was only at U for National Student Exchange; the school I really went to was tiny |
| 18:39.14 | aeryndunham | Minnesota State University Moorhead |
| 18:39.26 | spangborn | aeryndunham: Brrrrr |
| 18:39.31 | aeryndunham | Hahaha yup |
| 18:39.39 | spangborn | (My wife is from Duluth, MN) |
| 18:39.48 | spangborn | I don't particularly like visiting MN in the winter. |
| 18:39.54 | aeryndunham | I think it can feel even colder in Duluth than Moorhead because they are on the lake |
| 18:40.01 | aeryndunham | Duluth is beautifu though |
| 18:40.05 | spangborn | That it is. |
| 18:40.25 | spangborn | During the summer, especially |
| 18:40.28 | aeryndunham | yeah |
| 18:40.34 | aeryndunham | Minnesota is amazing in the summer |
| 18:40.43 | aeryndunham | Which is nice to help make up for the winter |
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| 19:04.19 | aeryndunham | A guy on a computer on here won't stop whistling and he's driving me insane |
| 19:08.10 | romanovic | there's an old Russian superstition that whistling in someone's house brings misfortune. So, it's not polite to whistle at home, or even indoors at all |
| 19:10.41 | romanovic | so he's bringing that down on you as well. so rude |
| 19:11.47 | RyanE | romanovic: can you whistle in your own house? |
| 19:12.17 | RyanE | we have a russian exchange student this school year. I guess it hasn't come up. :) |
| 19:13.09 | romanovic | hah, dunno. do you whistle around him/her? |
| 19:33.25 | aeryndunham | A guy just yelled at me because the system is telling me his password is wrong and he won't reset it because he knows it isn't wrong. |
| 19:34.37 | aeryndunham | oooh he just pulled the "I worked at IBM for 40 years, of course I remember mu password" card |
| 19:34.38 | aeryndunham | sorry, dude, whatever you are typing isn't it |
| 19:38.23 | programmerq | aeryndunham⸠lol, my tactic in those situations is to recreate their symptoms. that might not work so well in that sort of situation. |
| 19:38.41 | programmerq | "see, here I'm typing in the wrong password on my account, and the same thing happens!" |
| 19:38.45 | programmerq | and just leave it at that |
| 19:49.50 | aeryndunham | lol |
| 19:50.21 | programmerq | it works better for b2b support issues. |
| 19:50.32 | aeryndunham | yikes my fancy hairdo just completely fell apart; good thing I can leave in 10 mins |
| 19:50.37 | programmerq | "oh, to get that to happen, I have to go in and *really* corrupt this file" |
| 19:51.15 | programmerq | that usually helps in cases where someone ran into a weird unreproducible issue |
| 19:56.47 | aeryndunham | Dang, I just had to give a $99 refund because of two-step authentication and people's inability to deal with that :/ |
| 20:08.27 | frostyfrog | If people don't believe in file corruption like that, then they obviously (at least to me and IMO) haven't dealt with faulty raids or "pull the plug" scenarios at *just * the right moment x3 (and maybe a few more) |
| 20:27.09 | *** join/#utah aeryndunham (~jacki@151.124.47.51) |
| 20:27.57 | aeryndunham | Whew, left work 20 mins late because of sudden surge of stupid people |
| 20:28.29 | Migs | that's why you leave 20 mins early |
| 20:28.32 | aeryndunham | Today's theme was "I'm very sorry I can't help you further if Hotmail wants to verify your identity and the only option you have configured is your home phone number" |
| 20:34.09 | RyanE | romanovic: Don't recall whistling around her. |
| 20:40.43 | frostyfrog | o.o |
| 20:40.48 | frostyfrog | Now I'm curious. |
| 20:49.50 | aeryndunham | Argh my brother is so mad at me and this is a horrible situation :( |
| 20:51.32 | Migs | tell him to calm down |
| 20:51.44 | Migs | nothing's truly worth getting mad over |
| 20:51.55 | TodPunk | Unless it's a Migs link |
| 20:52.17 | aeryndunham | Well, it's kinda worth being mad over but I don't know what I should do |
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| 20:52.37 | aeryndunham | he's supposed to come on a cruise Jan 29 - Feb 5; I can sign on relatives - he's already taken off work and booked the tickets |
| 20:52.55 | aeryndunham | But now Chris has this job offer in Miami starting Jan 8th |
| 20:53.06 | aeryndunham | so I a) don't really have a spare cabin to put him in anymore |
| 20:53.17 | aeryndunham | and b) don't want to stick around a full month after Chris leaves |
| 20:53.35 | frostyfrog | Ouch! |
| 20:53.46 | aeryndunham | I told him that if he wants, I can stay, but we'll probably have to share a room, or I'll pay him for his plane tickets |
| 20:53.48 | aeryndunham | but... this sucks |
| 20:54.09 | frostyfrog | It does :( |
| 20:54.10 | aeryndunham | and he's angry |
| 20:54.20 | Migs | My links cause all kinds of emotions |
| 20:54.28 | aeryndunham | as all links should |
| 20:57.26 | aeryndunham | I've been avoiding telling him for a couple days because I didn't know what to do. Still don't. |
| 20:57.52 | aeryndunham | But relative travel requets need to be in 45 days in advance so if he's coming, I need to apply soon. |
| 20:58.12 | aeryndunham | anywho |
| 21:06.23 | youtah | ~seen taxilion |
| 21:06.26 | infobot | youtah: i haven't seen 'taxilion' |
| 21:15.44 | youtah | FYI |
| 21:16.03 | youtah | we just setup a "Utah Amateur Radio" slack channel |
| 21:18.24 | youtah | jlp_znc, I already sent you an invite |
| 21:18.26 | youtah | :) |
| 21:18.51 | romanovic | youtah: pls |
| 21:19.08 | romanovic | doesn't have his license yet, but has started playing around with SDR |
| 21:19.12 | youtah | No worries |
| 21:19.19 | youtah | pm me which email address |
| 21:20.41 | romanovic | thanks. also, I want in on the amateur mesh network(s) eventually |
| 21:20.45 | romanovic | AREDN and what not |
| 21:20.58 | romanovic | someday I'll have time to study |
| 21:20.59 | youtah | For sure |
| 21:26.52 | romanovic | aeryndunham: how much of a discount do relatives get when you sign them on? |
| 21:30.20 | romanovic | that sounds like an uncomfortable situation, hopefully he's grateful you offered to hook him up with some free/discounted vacation even if it didn't work out the way he wanted. |
| 21:34.21 | frostyfrog | I would also like in on the MESH network. Though I'll probably need to get licensed first... :s |
| 21:34.23 | TodPunk | romanovic: no no, he's entitled to that cruise now, circumstances and realite be damned. He had /expectations/ you insensitive clod! |
| 21:36.45 | frostyfrog | o.o |
| 21:36.49 | frostyfrog | not her fault. |
| 21:37.19 | frostyfrog | totally not her fault... it's her co-habitant. |
| 21:37.51 | frostyfrog | s/co-habitant/cohabitant's job thingy's fault/ |
| 21:40.47 | Migs | http://i.imgur.com/NeoAaYG.gifv |
| 21:50.29 | aeryndunham | romanovic: Free, basically |
| 21:51.15 | aeryndunham | And yeah, it's totally his fault. Damn his being so good at his job they're always wanting him for cool stuff :/ |
| 21:52.24 | aeryndunham | He hasn't responded in a while |
| 21:54.49 | aeryndunham | Well, my parents came on a "free" cruise in October and their bill was waaaaaaaay more than I anticipated because apparently my parents can drink more than I ever imagined :P |
| 21:55.43 | aeryndunham | anyway back to work |
| 21:55.52 | aeryndunham | will be here probably though |
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| 21:56.31 | RyanE | your parents didn't get the "Drinks package"? |
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| 22:31.46 | TodPunk | http://thehill.com/policy/transportation/310169-feds-unveil-rule-requiring-cars-to-talk-to-each-other |
| 22:31.50 | TodPunk | nothing could possibly go wrong with this |
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| 22:33.29 | frostyfrog | Huh... Anyone have their car virus handy? |
| 22:39.04 | aeryndunham | Oh, good, someone lodged a formal complaint about me |
| 22:39.43 | frostyfrog | Was it dressed up in a tux? x3 |
| 22:39.51 | aeryndunham | I hope so |
| 22:43.59 | aeryndunham | is apaprently short tempered and rude |
| 22:44.47 | frostyfrog | Well, when you get 50 million requests about hotmail... |
| 22:45.35 | frostyfrog | half jokes. |
| 22:45.54 | TodPunk | I once worked for Target as a stocker (night shift and extra pay, w00t!) for a couple years |
| 22:46.14 | TodPunk | They always required everyone work Black Friday at some point, and I was happy to do so given that it was some evening or something anyway |
| 22:46.29 | TodPunk | One time they asked if I could stay through the morning opening and work in the back |
| 22:46.34 | aeryndunham | The person who hates me today is sending iMessages to her daughter but getting no replies, they are sending fine so I said it looked like the issue had to be on her end and she said I was insulting her daughter's intelligence |
| 22:47.00 | TodPunk | I told them that was fine, but that I wouldn't go out to the floor to work with customers |
| 22:47.27 | TodPunk | Sure enough, about an hour in they needed me to go help a customer get something off the top shelf (where restocks get stored when there's little room in the back for popular items) |
| 22:47.51 | TodPunk | After 15 minutes, I had "helped" and I was never sent to the floor again for any reason |
| 22:48.45 | TodPunk | aeryndunham: your response should have been, "no ma'am, your daughters intelligence was well understood the moment we started talking about iMessage" |
| 22:49.09 | aeryndunham | TodPunk: lol I use imessage :p |
| 22:49.10 | frostyfrog | aeryndunham: IIRC, that same wording was used in early telephony and electronics. :s |
| 22:49.21 | TodPunk | point still stands, eh? =cP |
| 22:49.30 | aeryndunham | throws a book at TodPunk :P |
| 22:49.49 | TodPunk | catches the Fischer Price My First Smartphone book |
| 22:49.57 | aeryndunham | And then next up was a guy with a laptop with IE8 and 57 toolbars |
| 22:50.04 | romanovic | is a green bubble |
| 22:50.09 | TodPunk | ah, IE8 |
| 22:54.50 | TodPunk | aeryndunham: in all seriousness, iMessage is their text AND instant messaging thing, right? And it would only work if the other side was also using iMessage as well, I believe? |
| 22:56.16 | frostyfrog | not really. |
| 22:56.29 | aeryndunham | TodPunk: It wouldn't even send if the other end doesn't have iMessage |
| 22:57.42 | TodPunk | My understanding of it 4 years ago was that it would send if the other end was iMessage and you didn't have cell signal (just WiFi), but it wouldn't send if it was to a non-iMessage using contact (a number without an iPhone) |
| 22:58.05 | frostyfrog | iMessage sends texts if the other end doesn't have an iMessage client. If it does, or did, it tries to send the message over data/wifi instead of a text message. If the recipient has switched to an android device, the phone may still try to send the message over data. |
| 22:58.08 | TodPunk | that's also assuming it was to a number and not an iAccount |
| 22:58.14 | TodPunk | or whatever they're called now |
| 22:58.21 | TodPunk | me.com was the thing 8 years ago |
| 22:59.23 | TodPunk | frostyfrog: that is, in my estimation, what I was saying (with the built-in assumption that they don't have cell signal on the ship) |
| 22:59.40 | aeryndunham | From what I can see, it sent |
| 22:59.47 | aeryndunham | so I dunno what is wrong |
| 23:00.16 | TodPunk | Also, completely separate from this, can we all just take a moment and appreciate how much of a clown shoes crazy pants piece of nonsense SMS/MMS is? |
| 23:00.48 | TodPunk | I run a small telecommunications vendor, I KNOW, all too intimately, how asining it is to implement SMS |
| 23:00.55 | TodPunk | *asinine |
| 23:01.31 | TodPunk | My favorite example: when they revised the protocol to build spoofing senders into it, so carriers could spam as anyone. |
| 23:03.59 | romanovic | TodPunk: agreed. I didn't have my first cell phone until the early 2000s, but I always thought to myself, "I have been sending unlimited free messages across the internet for 10 yrs with ICQ / other messengers. Why am I paying for any sort of messaging on a phone that has (at least limited) internet connectivity?" |
| 23:04.33 | TodPunk | romanovic: should have written WhatsApp. Then you could buy us all houses for lunch. |
| 23:06.12 | romanovic | and so many services were/are still delivered via SMS, especially in less developed countries |
| 23:06.40 | romanovic | $0.05 / sms message == $38,000/Gb data plan? no thank you |
| 23:07.22 | romanovic | wait, I calculated that wrong. ~$383,000/GB |
| 23:08.48 | TodPunk | it's also worth noting that SMS is specifically designed to cost carriers nothing |
| 23:09.02 | TodPunk | it literally fits in the space of communication padding you send ever few seconds |
| 23:09.15 | TodPunk | that's why it's 140 characters |
| 23:09.22 | TodPunk | insanity! |
| 23:10.29 | aeryndunham | yeah wow |
| 23:14.11 | aeryndunham | ... I had to finally take all the mousepads away. More were stolen than left. |
| 23:15.03 | TodPunk | aren't mousepads like $0.04 per? |
| 23:15.21 | TodPunk | a) these people are on a cruise, WHAT DO THEY NEED A MOUSE PAD FOR? |
| 23:15.21 | aeryndunham | They are, but that doesn't make any extra magically materialize onboard :p |
| 23:16.02 | TodPunk | b) why not just have a billion mouse pads, or glue them down, or I don't know |
| 23:16.32 | aeryndunham | I think I can get plain ones from hotel stores; I'm supposed to have ones with our logo though |
| 23:16.33 | programmerq | aeryndunham⸠do they have the cruise company logo on them? |
| 23:16.42 | programmerq | ah yeah, people want a keepsake |
| 23:16.47 | programmerq | just make them look really dirty |
| 23:16.53 | aeryndunham | They are! |
| 23:19.26 | aeryndunham | If it weren't for how angry my brother is with me I'd be so happy to be leaving early |
| 23:20.55 | TodPunk | A reminder: http://www.stilldrinking.org/programming-sucks |
| 23:47.50 | aeryndunham | gah I don't think I can get that wrongly delivered gift re-ordered to get here in time |
| 23:47.52 | aeryndunham | this day could not get worse |
