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| 00:02.21 | infobot | ACTION makes eightyeight great again |
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| 05:56.47 | klys | ~slashdot |
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| 16:15.19 | unum | I should switch to a project resume it would help hide the fact I've only had one career job |
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| 16:15.26 | unum | or post college job |
| 16:16.16 | Migs | agreed |
| 16:24.00 | unum | a good way to add side projects too |
| 16:24.13 | unum | I can think of all sorts of problems that solves for me |
| 16:27.15 | programmerq | unum⸠I usually put one section for each title/position I've had at a company |
| 16:27.48 | unum | my companies not that official |
| 16:27.58 | unum | originally I was frank's assistant |
| 16:28.15 | unum | then one day I decided I wanted to be the Lead Software Architect |
| 16:28.40 | unum | so that's what it says in the database and on my business cards |
| 16:29.11 | unum | I guess originally I set my position as software engineer in the database |
| 16:29.18 | unum | then gave my self a promotion one day |
| 16:30.27 | programmerq | I don't see why that wouldn't work on your resume |
| 16:31.26 | unum | Assistant IT manager, Software Engineer, Lead Software Architect |
| 16:31.55 | unum | I think the project based resume would work better because my responsibilties didn't change based on my title |
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| 16:58.17 | eightyeight | unum: 1/2 way through book 7 |
| 17:01.03 | unum | I'm half way through book 11 |
| 17:01.07 | unum | you're catching up to me |
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| 17:15.20 | harleypig | Sooooo ... I can ssh into various servers and 'ssh-add -l' on each of those servers shows my identities. But I log on to my dev server and I get no identities. |
| 17:15.27 | harleypig | ForwardAgent is yes ... |
| 17:15.35 | harleypig | Any pointers on how to troubleshoot this? |
| 17:15.52 | harleypig | ssh -vv doesn't show me anything that seems like it would be a problem. |
| 17:17.04 | programmerq | harleypig⸠some servers disable agent forwarding. |
| 17:17.33 | harleypig | programmerq: It's my server. But I'll doublecheck the sshd_config file. |
| 17:18.18 | programmerq | AllowAgentForwarding yes |
| 17:18.34 | harleypig | AllowAgentForwarding is commented out, which should default to yes. |
| 17:18.47 | harleypig | But I'll set it to yes and see if that makes a difference. |
| 17:20.34 | harleypig | That made no difference, still getting "This agent has no identities" on the remote side. |
| 17:27.12 | harleypig | Hmmm ... ssh is applying options for my host in ~/.ssh/config and then applying options for * in /etc/ssh/ssh_config ... |
| 17:27.28 | harleypig | wouldn't that overwrite the options I set in my config? |
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| 18:26.20 | aeryndunham | Good afternoon! |
| 18:27.23 | programmerq | hello |
| 18:28.18 | frostyfrog | Herro! |
| 18:28.44 | aeryndunham | is finalizing her resume and fighting with UPS. Thrilling day. |
| 18:29.30 | aeryndunham | tries to decide which if any of her meager tech skills should be listed |
| 18:30.10 | spangborn | You can just ship everything to me |
| 18:30.12 | spangborn | It's okay |
| 18:30.47 | frostyfrog | x3 |
| 18:30.56 | aeryndunham | oh ok |
| 18:31.29 | frostyfrog | Oh, spangborn. You been keeping track of the pebble rebble activity much at all? |
| 18:31.50 | aeryndunham | The Apple Watch I bought made it 30 mins from its destination and then went to Tennesee instead |
| 18:32.34 | frostyfrog | What? :o |
| 18:32.43 | spangborn | https://www.reddit.com/r/pebble/comments/5hh7w0/reassurance_about_pebbles_in_the_wild/ |
| 18:34.09 | aeryndunham | it was returned, somehow |
| 18:34.19 | aeryndunham | I've got Apple looking into it though |
| 18:39.34 | programmerq | aeryndunham⸠do you have things shipped to specific ports or something? |
| 18:41.00 | aeryndunham | programmerq: I normally would, but this is actually being sent to a friend's house who was planning on bringing it to the ship this next Sunday |
| 18:42.47 | aeryndunham | really doesn't want to have to give him an IOU for Christmas :p |
| 18:48.03 | aeryndunham | My current resume lists Python as a skill but I think we all know now THAT'S a bit of a stretch :/ |
| 18:51.31 | unum | if you're applying for the right kind of job it's appropriate |
| 18:52.03 | unum | if you're applying for entry level and you know a little python I think you should put it |
| 18:52.19 | programmerq | yeah, don't go apply for some senior python position. |
| 18:52.27 | unum | if I applied for a job I'd probably leave python off |
| 18:52.35 | unum | even though I've used it some |
| 18:52.59 | aeryndunham | it's not for a specific job |
| 18:53.01 | unum | but I'd be applying for jobs expecting 10+ years experience |
| 18:53.46 | unum | I think employers expect all of your skills to be minimal if you're applying for an entry level job |
| 18:54.40 | unum | if you can do an import and print out data based on command line arguments, I'd say you are fine |
| 18:55.37 | unum | btw I recommend thedailywtf.com to people just starting out |
| 18:55.48 | unum | I stopped reading it for a while, and recently got into it again |
| 18:55.48 | programmerq | there's some good stuff in there |
| 18:56.11 | unum | but when I was first starting out it helped realize some things I could do better |
| 18:56.25 | aeryndunham | Right, I'm not applying for any senior dev jobs; or even anyting particuarly IT necessarily |
| 18:56.30 | unum | I haven't had the opportunity to work with many other developers.... |
| 18:56.42 | aeryndunham | I jsut feel like I want it to be clear that I am relatively techy? |
| 18:57.42 | aeryndunham | sorry, I'm at work |
| 18:58.06 | programmerq | so are most folks here. :) |
| 18:58.16 | programmerq | delays aren't a problem on IRC |
| 18:58.28 | aeryndunham | ah right |
| 18:59.28 | aeryndunham | and then gah I'm obviously not trying to be a database administrator but I DO know basic SQL. I know basic a lot of things. So frustrating :( |
| 19:00.36 | aeryndunham | so wtf so I list |
| 19:02.04 | unum | I list everything |
| 19:02.34 | unum | I learned a little bit about a lot of different things through user groups and school |
| 19:02.43 | programmerq | I leave off php |
| 19:02.48 | unum | now I have a job where I do a lot of evrything |
| 19:03.17 | unum | I have a template resume and I often remove things according to what I'm applying for |
| 19:03.28 | aeryndunham | I finished the PHP Codecademy course but I certainly wouldn't list it, man I hated PHP :P |
| 19:03.36 | unum | so if it's more programming I remove a lot of the IT stuff I know they won't care about |
| 19:03.40 | aeryndunham | Although I guess if I sat down with a basic PHP guide I could do basic stuff |
| 19:03.59 | aeryndunham | Yeah, if I knew I was applying for a specific job I'd tailor more; this is sort of just a general resume |
| 19:04.07 | unum | at this point php is probably my most developed skill |
| 19:04.25 | unum | I put everything and then remove things as per the job post |
| 19:04.57 | aeryndunham | A contact of mine at Carnival Corp just said to send in my resume and if anything that fit came up she'd try to get me an intervidw |
| 19:05.17 | unum | DHCP, Exim, Postfix, Iptables, SSH |
| 19:05.37 | unum | that makes it tricky |
| 19:05.48 | unum | but they can assume your skill level based on your current position |
| 19:05.56 | unum | so I don't think it will cause you any issues |
| 19:06.16 | unum | I should probably take iptables off. I haven't had to touch them in forever |
| 19:06.34 | aeryndunham | don't even know what those are |
| 19:07.13 | unum | DHCP is the protocol for automatically assigning IP address to computers on a network |
| 19:07.22 | aeryndunham | but like everything I've done has just been for myself - I have a website I run on my own VPS and I host a CMS on node.js but I certainly wouldn't list it |
| 19:07.24 | aeryndunham | oh no taht I know |
| 19:07.28 | aeryndunham | iptables I meant |
| 19:07.32 | aeryndunham | knows DHCP |
| 19:07.35 | aeryndunham | and SSH |
| 19:07.59 | unum | exim and postfix are both MTAs(email servers), iptables is linux firewalls(there are higher level scripts that make this easier) |
| 19:08.03 | programmerq | aeryndunham⸠what is the general idea you have for a next job? entry-level support? noc admin? development? QA? |
| 19:08.34 | unum | a personal VPS is something I LOVE to see in entry level candidate |
| 19:08.48 | programmerq | yeah I still have mine from when I was entry level. |
| 19:08.59 | frostyfrog | reminds me of r/homelab |
| 19:08.59 | programmerq | it's time to convert away from running my own email. :/ |
| 19:09.23 | unum | I still have mine so I can always be connect to irc :) |
| 19:09.34 | unum | actually I use it for a bunch of personal/community/family projects |
| 19:10.00 | frostyfrog | will probably always run their own email server. |
| 19:10.36 | frostyfrog | There's nothing like having *@domain emails available to you :3 |
| 19:10.52 | frostyfrog | also enabled all the DKIM related stuff. |
| 19:11.00 | unum | aeryndunham: what are you using for you MTA(email) on vps? |
| 19:11.18 | unum | ya I just give out what ever random email |
| 19:11.28 | unum | not sure that's really worked out in useful way for me |
| 19:11.33 | keldwud | I've really been enjoying the firewalld in centos 7 over iptables. makes automating my stack builds easier when I can just use unit files |
| 19:11.45 | unum | but if I'm at the lego store and they want an email I tell them lego@unum5.org |
| 19:11.49 | keldwud | re: higher level scripts that make this easier |
| 19:11.50 | frostyfrog | Has for me. Started getting spam, so I just turned off that email address. |
| 19:12.15 | unum | ya I've been using shorewall on debian for a decade or more |
| 19:12.31 | keldwud | re: tracking where email spam comes from, I add have <user.name>+<website|store>@gmail.com |
| 19:12.47 | unum | I really don't know the last time I used iptables for anything other than checking to see if their is a firewall or clearing the firewall quickly while trouble shooting |
| 19:12.55 | keldwud | anything after the + can be arbitrary but when you receive it shows where it was sent including the + |
| 19:13.07 | frostyfrog | keldwud: Sometimes the spam bots strip the + though x3 |
| 19:13.15 | keldwud | so you can use the same inbox for most everything |
| 19:13.20 | keldwud | frostyfrog: that's evil! |
| 19:13.50 | frostyfrog | yup |
| 19:14.44 | frostyfrog | on my server, POSTMASTER is an alias to root, which is an alias for my user. Different emails, but same inbox. |
| 19:14.50 | aeryndunham | programmerq: Ideally I'd want to go into entry-level development but I don't think I'm qualified. I'm probably qualfied for entry level desktop support.... I think the job my friend has in mind is more on the busines/operations side |
| 19:15.09 | aeryndunham | unum: Uh I don't think I am? |
| 19:15.50 | unum | aeryndunham: your distribution would have most likely set one up by default, but if you haven't configured it it would only be working internally |
| 19:16.18 | unum | if you're interested in doing more IT stuff(as opposed to programming), setting up the MTA to allow incoming email to your domain is a good thing to learn |
| 19:16.31 | aeryndunham | I'll looking into it |
| 19:16.39 | frostyfrog | has links to guides on that. |
| 19:16.49 | unum | frostyfrog: I have a catch all set up that directs everything to my user account unless otherwise specified |
| 19:17.11 | unum | so I can give out any email address at any of my 20 or so domains |
| 19:17.26 | unum | and I'll get it |
| 19:17.34 | keldwud | aeryndunham: you could always find your local hacker space and spend some time there geeking out on stuff |
| 19:17.46 | unum | or start one on the boat!!!!! |
| 19:17.49 | unum | ;) |
| 19:17.56 | aeryndunham | haha what does that even mean |
| 19:18.07 | RyanE | "I'd come to the hackerspace more often, but it's only in port once a week!" |
| 19:18.12 | aeryndunham | lol |
| 19:18.25 | aeryndunham | Basically I just find myself needing to move so I need a new job :/ |
| 19:18.29 | RyanE | Somehow, I doubt they'd let you have anything that involved fire risk on the ship. |
| 19:18.31 | frostyfrog | https://petermolnar.net/howto-spf-dkim-dmarc-postfix/ https://www.skelleton.net/2015/03/21/how-to-eliminate-spam-and-protect-your-name-with-dmarc/ |
| 19:18.41 | unum | in some cities the local geeks have rent/bought a space where they can all get together |
| 19:18.51 | unum | I think the one in salt lake is called 801labs |
| 19:18.55 | unum | or is that something else |
| 19:19.03 | frostyfrog | it's 801labs |
| 19:19.12 | keldwud | ^ |
| 19:19.19 | frostyfrog | #dc801 is the group that runs it. |
| 19:19.25 | keldwud | ^ |
| 19:19.44 | unum | I'm going to get one established in draper and call convictlabs |
| 19:20.09 | unum | hmmm I'm sure I can come up with a good pun |
| 19:20.10 | frostyfrog | I'd like one down in the provo-lehi area. |
| 19:20.33 | unum | someone was trying to turn the old provo jail into one |
| 19:20.40 | unum | provo vault or something like that |
| 19:20.56 | keldwud | that was umm, what's his bucket |
| 19:21.04 | keldwud | I forgot his handle |
| 19:21.21 | unum | all the real estate developers that make up draper's elected officials claim the prison will be replaced with office space for high tech companies |
| 19:21.49 | frostyfrog | Jail would've been kooler. |
| 19:21.51 | unum | if they were serious about that they would make sure space is secured for a hackerspace |
| 19:21.54 | RyanE | There's also 'Make Salt Lake'. |
| 19:26.57 | keldwud | oh yeah, they have a space at the art's alliance |
| 19:26.57 | keldwud | iirc |
| 19:27.07 | RyanE | yeah, it's a nice space. |
| 19:27.08 | keldwud | they're half burners half hackers |
| 19:27.10 | RyanE | a bit too 'downtown' for me. |
| 19:27.17 | keldwud | over next to the trap, right? |
| 19:27.24 | keldwud | *trapp |
| 19:27.31 | RyanE | don't know the trapp. |
| 19:29.47 | programmerq | aeryndunham⸠it seems like a cruise ship job would let you build up a bit of savings since your room and board is kind of part of the deal, yes? |
| 19:30.01 | Migs | I only if it pays well |
| 19:30.09 | aeryndunham | programmerq: Yeah, theoretically; some killer student loans put a dent in mine though |
| 19:30.20 | Migs | -I |
| 19:30.24 | programmerq | paying of student loans is also a great thing to do. |
| 19:30.34 | keldwud | programmerq: merchant marines! |
| 19:30.35 | aeryndunham | But I'll still have free rent when I move to Florida because Chris's new job comes with a condo |
| 19:30.43 | Migs | whoa nice |
| 19:30.45 | aeryndunham | paying them is a pain but I do recommend it |
| 19:30.53 | aeryndunham | Condo and a car! |
| 19:33.02 | aeryndunham | I guess they are throwing money at whatever this top-secret Project Trident is |
| 19:34.27 | jholtom | but florida |
| 19:34.48 | aeryndunham | I know |
| 19:35.29 | aeryndunham | I was like... no super secret jobs in Oregon or Washington or Utah or Colorado? |
| 19:35.48 | aeryndunham | Those are more my weather :p |
| 19:38.00 | aeryndunham | But I figure, 3 1/2 hours to Disney World or 3 1/2 hours to Key West, not bad for a weekend getaway :p |
| 19:38.34 | frostyfrog | Smack dab in the middle, eh? |
| 19:39.34 | aeryndunham | yep |
| 19:40.04 | aeryndunham | I mean Florida is definitlely on the lower list of states I would pick, but I HAVE been really wanting to move to land, so.... beggars can't be choosers? |
| 19:42.09 | aeryndunham | ugh, I am so sick of complaints about the Christmas decorations on the ship |
| 19:49.19 | frostyfrog | Why are people complaining? D= |
| 19:49.53 | aeryndunham | Because all we have up for hanukkah is a menorah, and I'm like... what other decorations are traditionally displayed?? |
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| 20:18.13 | TodPunk | aeryndunham: have a bowl of dradels? |
| 20:18.28 | aeryndunham | shrugs. I didn't decorate. |
| 20:18.43 | aeryndunham | And it isn't like we have any Nativity scenes up, it's like.... garland |
| 20:21.13 | romanovic | can you add a tag to the garland? like "This is a non-religious Yule-time-inspired garland"? |
| 20:22.02 | aeryndunham | apparently we need to :/ |
| 20:22.08 | spangborn | Where's your Festivus pole? |
| 20:22.16 | aeryndunham | I don't get why anyone chooses ME to complain to about this, though |
| 20:23.06 | frostyfrog | You need a banner that says, "In charge of tech, not the decorations" |
| 20:23.59 | aeryndunham | I do get that a lot of peope think they are escaping Christmas by coming on a cruise and uh, we definitely go all out |
| 20:24.51 | spangborn | aeryndunham: Just start the ship on fire and tell them they've all gone to hell |
| 20:25.23 | aeryndunham | lol |
| 20:27.46 | keldwud | spangborn: is that a euphamism? |
| 20:27.59 | spangborn | lol |
| 20:29.28 | aeryndunham | aaargh I just put on Miracle on 34th Street and it's been colorized; it's horrifying |
| 20:29.51 | spangborn | I watched Buddy the Elf last night |
| 20:30.34 | aeryndunham | whyyyy would someone ruin a perfectly lovely black and white film like this |
| 20:32.04 | aeryndunham | Anywho who was tellig me to do something with email on my VPS? Where do I check what it's set to/get started changing it? |
| 20:32.27 | keldwud | that was unum |
| 20:32.35 | keldwud | and he was telling you to set up your MTA |
| 20:32.46 | keldwud | so that your box can accept incoming mail |
| 20:32.52 | aeryndunham | starts by looking up what that is! =) |
| 20:32.55 | keldwud | probably play around in postfix too |
| 20:33.01 | keldwud | careful, it's a rabbit hole |
| 20:33.06 | aeryndunham | haha |
| 20:33.11 | aeryndunham | I have sooooo much going on right now |
| 20:33.13 | aeryndunham | alas |
| 20:33.13 | keldwud | there's a reason companies outsource their email to other companies |
| 20:33.32 | aeryndunham | Educational, though, I imagine |
| 20:34.17 | keldwud | it starts with something simple like, wouldn't it be nice to get email on this box? to 'wouldn't it be nice to send alerts via email from this box' to a full blown "I need to set up my own mail gateway, my own smtp server, etc |
| 20:34.29 | aeryndunham | lol |
| 20:35.16 | spangborn | If you can stomach using Google, just get Google Apps |
| 20:35.23 | aeryndunham | That sort of happened to me with 'gee it'd be nice to write a blog again' and that morphed into well obviouslyl you need to run this from your own VPS and deploy a CMS manually and write the theme from scratch :p |
| 20:35.26 | TodPunk | I use Google Apps |
| 20:35.32 | TodPunk | for my home stuff |
| 20:35.34 | TodPunk | it's pretty awesome |
| 20:35.35 | spangborn | Same |
| 20:35.51 | spangborn | I distrust Google, but *shrug* what else is there? |
| 20:36.17 | TodPunk | aeryndunham: never, EVER setup email on a linux box |
| 20:36.28 | TodPunk | it's like trying to learn BIND |
| 20:36.31 | aeryndunham | loll noted |
| 20:36.31 | TodPunk | it's just stupid |
| 20:36.42 | aeryndunham | BIND is something to do with DNS, isn't it? |
| 20:36.58 | TodPunk | "I see this 50 year old tech is still being used, surely this is easy to do. Oh... no, no this is not at all easy... oh god" |
| 20:37.02 | TodPunk | yes |
| 20:37.05 | TodPunk | BIND is a dns server |
| 20:37.05 | aeryndunham | haha |
| 20:37.08 | spangborn | BIND is technology bondage |
| 20:37.15 | spangborn | It's for a very niche set of people with clear problems |
| 20:37.19 | spangborn | with their head |
| 20:37.20 | TodPunk | dnsmasq is ALSO a dns and DHCP server |
| 20:37.28 | TodPunk | and it takes 5 minutes to setup to do damn near everything |
| 20:37.37 | TodPunk | Will it be a nice authoritative root server? No |
| 20:38.08 | aeryndunham | I want to know ALL THE THINGS |
| 20:38.08 | TodPunk | but I could CODE ONE FROM SCRATCH in the time it would take to learn BIND and its asininity, and that's if I didn't know the first thing about programming (but still new about networking and stuff) |
| 20:38.33 | TodPunk | Mail MTAs are similarly stupid |
| 20:39.11 | TodPunk | More Open Source projects need to learn that a nice UI, even for a commandline daemon, is really important |
| 20:39.15 | spangborn | Attempting to know all the things just means you'll be institutionalized faster |
| 20:39.28 | spangborn | Which maybe that's a good thing, maybe it's not? |
| 20:39.40 | TodPunk | Faster you learn all the things, the faster it is you hate them all |
| 20:40.04 | aeryndunham | Haha, I just... I find it all legitimately interesting? |
| 20:40.05 | TodPunk | I still like a few things, which just tells me I don't know all the ephemera |
| 20:40.34 | spangborn | New phone tomorrow woot |
| 20:41.50 | aeryndunham | ooh exciting |
| 20:42.58 | programmerq | I too am getting a new phone, but it isn't under happy circumstances. |
| 20:43.10 | programmerq | I cracked my screen. went to replace it, and now the digitizer is toast. |
| 20:43.20 | programmerq | not sure if it's the new screen or the motherboard that is broken. |
| 20:43.22 | aeryndunham | eew |
| 20:43.33 | programmerq | so for now, I'm carrying around a usb mouse with an otg adapter |
| 20:43.47 | aeryndunham | Chris's fancy gaming PC is broken and he's distraught |
| 20:43.52 | aeryndunham | he thinks it's the power supply |
| 20:44.16 | programmerq | is it a gaming laptop, or is there actually room for a full blown tower gaming pc on a ship? |
| 20:44.33 | aeryndunham | He dragged a full blown tower gaming pc with him |
| 20:44.36 | aeryndunham | he's insane |
| 20:44.38 | programmerq | nice |
| 20:44.48 | programmerq | honestly, I'd probably do the same thing. |
| 20:44.58 | RyanE | I've reflowed my phone's motherboard 3 times now. |
| 20:44.59 | aeryndunham | Keeps just rebooting out of nowhere |
| 20:45.06 | RyanE | Every time gives me a month or two of wifi working again. |
| 20:45.13 | programmerq | lol |
| 20:45.20 | RyanE | feels like time for a new phone. :) |
| 20:45.31 | programmerq | I actually have another phone like mine-- it has water damage though. as far as I can tell, the screen is fine |
| 20:45.44 | programmerq | so I'm thinking I'll try swapping in all my non-water-damaged pieces into it and cross my fingers. |
| 20:45.49 | spangborn | lol programmerq |
| 20:45.50 | programmerq | if that works, I may end up returning my new phone. |
| 20:45.53 | spangborn | The mouse hack is funny |
| 20:46.12 | programmerq | spangborn⸠yeah, between that and voice prompts, I have a relatively functional phone |
| 20:46.19 | programmerq | of course, I forgot to put the speaker back into it... :( |
| 20:46.43 | programmerq | I have mightytext set up, so I can text from my computer that way. |
| 20:46.44 | spangborn | hahaha |
| 20:48.19 | aeryndunham | I know that it isn't really case sensitive, but I really enjoy SELECTING things from TABLES in SQL, feels like I am YELLING at it |
| 21:54.05 | TodPunk | I don't capitalize my keywords in sql |
| 21:54.14 | TodPunk | Used to |
| 21:54.16 | TodPunk | got tired of it |
| 21:57.56 | spangborn | DROP TABLE *; |
| 21:58.16 | spangborn | There should be a FLIP command |
| 21:58.18 | spangborn | FLIP TABLE; |
| 21:59.00 | TodPunk | THROW table; |
| 21:59.52 | TodPunk | https://youtu.be/GH94fKtGr0M |
| 21:59.57 | spangborn | (â¯Â°â¡Â°ï¼â¯ï¸µ â»ââ» |
| 21:59.59 | eightyeight | yeah. that's the first thing i told my mysql students this year: |
| 22:00.29 | eightyeight | "MySQL is case insensitive. even though the book capitalizes keywords, etc, i don't." |
| 22:01.32 | aeryndunham | It's just fun :p |
| 22:02.50 | TodPunk | you're welcome to continue doing so, by all means |
| 22:04.40 | aeryndunham | For how horrified I am by the colorization of this movie, I can't imagine how difficult it must be |
| 22:05.05 | TodPunk | colorizing it? |
| 22:05.23 | aeryndunham | Miracle on 34th Street, 1947 version. |
| 22:05.24 | TodPunk | there's some interesting documentaries and youtube videos and blog posts about the processes that can go into that |
| 22:05.44 | eightyeight | i've heard `the dick van dyke show' is going to be colorized |
| 22:05.49 | aeryndunham | yeesh |
| 22:06.02 | eightyeight | http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/la-et-st-dick-van-dyke-show-colorized-20161207-story.html |
| 22:06.04 | aeryndunham | I wanted to watch this movie last night but Chris keeps vetoing anyting "old" |
| 22:06.19 | TodPunk | I like Chris |
| 22:06.25 | aeryndunham | I'm gonna keep trying to convince him to watch Its a Wonderful Life though |
| 22:06.57 | TodPunk | The problem with a lot of those old movies is the really don't do well with modern audiences. Nostalgia doesn't work unless it's already established. |
| 22:07.11 | TodPunk | I saw It's a Wonderful Life for the first time as an adult and it was terrible |
| 22:07.19 | TodPunk | mostly the pacing is sooooooo sloooooow |
| 22:07.27 | aeryndunham | I do think that some old movies are legitimately good though, no nostalgia required |
| 22:07.35 | Migs | I watched it for the first time as an adult and I enjoyed it. It's probably because it's one of the last moments I spent with my grandpa. |
| 22:07.36 | TodPunk | Sure |
| 22:07.38 | TodPunk | but not many |
| 22:07.42 | aeryndunham | I mean when it's not like I watching movies when this was released in 1946; I only saw it as an adult |
| 22:07.48 | Migs | we turned on the closed captioning for him and he just loved it...he passed away shortly after |
| 22:08.07 | TodPunk | and if you're in a position of "I could invest 2 hours, but how likely am I to regret this?" then "nothing old" seems a sane option |
| 22:08.21 | Migs | I tend to enjoy every single movie I ever watch, anyway |
| 22:08.30 | TodPunk | I enjoy most of them |
| 22:08.41 | TodPunk | I get bored with some |
| 22:08.42 | Migs | I can't really think of a movie I haven't liked |
| 22:09.01 | TodPunk | More so as I get older I watch less because I get more bored |
| 22:09.10 | aeryndunham | I dunno, something about these old things from the 40s I just love; and we didn't watch them growing up |
| 22:09.13 | Migs | I'm sorry to hear that |
| 22:09.54 | Migs | I'd be sad if I lost my love and appreciation for movies |
| 22:10.24 | TodPunk | Movies are weird for people |
| 22:10.27 | TodPunk | Music is similar |
| 22:10.29 | Migs | the way I see it, a LOT of people pur their time, talents, energy, and money into producing a labor of love, and all they ask is that I spend a few bucks for it at the movie theater, or $1.50 at the Redbox. |
| 22:10.36 | Migs | I'd feel like a jerk if I DIDN'T enjoy every movie I watch |
| 22:10.55 | TodPunk | o.O |
| 22:10.56 | Migs | it would be like going to a kids' science fair and being disgusted with the volcanoes |
| 22:11.06 | TodPunk | That's an odd sort of entitled-for-others position |
| 22:11.44 | Migs | not to mention the amazing technology that has gone into modern-day cinematography...there's an inescapable childlike wonder behind the lights and sounds...it's just amazing! |
| 22:12.20 | TodPunk | the way /I/ see it, I've got two hours, and 50 people want me to spend it on them. I don't expect them to be the best, but if they don't know what the hell they're doing, I don't care how much time/effort/feelings they put into it, I'm not going to enjoy it if it's cobbled together |
| 22:12.57 | TodPunk | The good news is I can tend to see what kind of movie that is before I ever go see the thing |
| 22:13.00 | Migs | I'm the one who has pleasant associations and happiness when I watch movies. You're the one who's bummed out. I'm not sure your situation is an improvement. |
| 22:13.01 | TodPunk | so it works out for everyone |
| 22:13.14 | TodPunk | nah, I'm rarely bummed out |
| 22:13.24 | Migs | just bored |
| 22:13.27 | TodPunk | it's usually when someone forces me to watch something like It's A Wonderful Life for nostalgia |
| 22:13.37 | Migs | nobody's making you do anything |
| 22:13.42 | TodPunk | I'm married |
| 22:14.17 | Migs | in that case, by now you should know very well how to enjoy the little things you normally wouldn't |
| 22:14.27 | TodPunk | Most times |
| 22:14.49 | TodPunk | Like just getting bored instead of being upset and bummed out or whatever |
| 22:15.04 | aeryndunham | I'm not making him do anything? we've just been watching lots of movies? and there's nothing nostalgic about a movie you saw as an adult and liked, I dunno |
| 22:15.42 | Migs | nostalgic doesn't necessarily mean childhood memories |
| 22:16.03 | aeryndunham | I guess |
| 22:16.38 | TodPunk | You know what I've enjoyed that was old? Some Cary Grant comedies |
| 22:16.48 | TodPunk | that sort of wit doesn't happen often these days |
| 22:16.58 | TodPunk | gets lost on peasants |
| 22:17.14 | aeryndunham | I like those |
| 22:19.14 | TodPunk | Jackie Chan movies from the olden days are pretty good, too |
| 22:19.22 | TodPunk | well, some |
| 22:19.36 | TodPunk | He's always funny, but the inbetween bits aren't always |
| 22:26.35 | spangborn | https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/800343142/tylt-vu-pulse-for-pebble-timetm/posts/1756833? |
| 22:26.37 | spangborn | welp |
| 22:53.31 | keldwud | my daughter really enjoys some Charlie Chaplin |
| 22:53.37 | keldwud | re: old movies |
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| 23:10.22 | TodPunk | frostyfrog: you think of chicks? |
| 23:10.48 | TodPunk | I mean, there's nothing wrong with that, but seems rather foreward in a mailing list discussion |
| 23:10.56 | frostyfrog | Did I? Doh! I typo'd that dx |
| 23:11.03 | frostyfrog | Dx* |
| 23:12.08 | frostyfrog | https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/44/66/ce/4466ce3d69ccc54f00fb1450de8b4efa.jpg |
| 23:12.14 | frostyfrog | That's what I was thinking. |
| 23:12.58 | keldwud | not chicks but dix? |
| 23:13.14 | keldwud | you think of dx? |
| 23:13.30 | frostyfrog | Oh, wait. no. That was the correct spelling. Just some mis-ionterpretation. |
| 23:13.49 | frostyfrog | s/ion/in/ |
| 23:15.38 | frostyfrog | #trolls x3 |
| 23:20.08 | keldwud | https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse2.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.M99f8148cb029e82373862472afffd37ao0%26pid%3D15.1&f=1 |
| 23:20.13 | keldwud | @ frostyfrog |
| 23:20.30 | keldwud | I was trying to find the animated gif version, but failed |
| 23:30.45 | keldwud | anybody here like Tig Notaro? |
| 23:31.09 | keldwud | I need a backup date. the one I invited might not be up to it tonight but I won't know for sure until about 7pm |
| 23:31.26 | TodPunk | what is tig notaro? |
| 23:31.53 | keldwud | she is a comedienne |
| 23:32.27 | keldwud | not much on swearing, but if you're the type to be made uncomfortable by non-heterosexual people, then I would recommend against going as she is openly gay |
| 23:33.07 | keldwud | cuz, you know, we have to save the feelings of people who are uncomfortable with those that aren't like themselves ;) |
| 23:34.45 | keldwud | the show is at the depot tonight from 7 - 11. I have two tickets and the second ticket might go unused if my date is feeling too worn out from work today |
| 23:35.05 | TodPunk | #OnlyInUtah |
| 23:39.12 | aeryndunham | hah |
| 23:50.54 | harleypig | Monkeyboys are loose in the facility. |
| 23:57.26 | aeryndunham | ughhhhhhhh I hate when people complain about being overworked and then still feel the need to redo everything you do because NOTHING meets their standards |
| 23:58.35 | TodPunk | I feel like this is a domestic dispute, unless your coworker is somehow upset about your computer lab duties |
| 23:58.55 | aeryndunham | Haha I was asked to write this documentation for something |
| 23:58.57 | aeryndunham | and I did |
| 23:59.22 | aeryndunham | And was told it was great |
| 23:59.31 | aeryndunham | but then the person who asked completely re-wrote it |
| 23:59.36 | aeryndunham | like... if you wanted it changed, TELL ME |
