| 00:12.14 | aeryndunham | flops into a heap and cries :p |
| 00:17.26 | programmerq | on these puzzles, I'll usually work backwards, and implement the parsing last. |
| 00:17.38 | programmerq | I worry about the board object and any moves that need to happen |
| 00:18.12 | aeryndunham | My problem is that I get easily frustrated with programming and I give up for 6+ months so when I come crawling back I'm worse off than I was before |
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| 02:05.01 | TodPunk | aeryndunham: it helps to talk through it with people |
| 02:05.21 | TodPunk | especially a mentor that will guide your thinking rather than give you answers |
| 02:05.37 | aeryndunham | looks for one of those :p |
| 02:05.52 | TodPunk | hopefully at any given time there's one in this channel |
| 02:06.08 | TodPunk | just ignore the zealots |
| 02:07.46 | aeryndunham | I feel bad asking because I'm at the point where I don't have concrete questions, I'm just lost |
| 02:12.19 | TodPunk | that's fine, you must embrace being a beginner |
| 02:12.57 | TodPunk | Start from the beginning or the end, aeryndunham |
| 02:13.22 | TodPunk | you can either parse the input into something you think you can use, or you can try to work from a solution algorithm back into something you think you will need |
| 02:13.33 | aeryndunham | is trying to start from the beginning |
| 02:14.02 | TodPunk | OK, so are you downloading the file, or are you copying and pasting it into something in your code? If it's in your code, what is it? |
| 02:14.26 | aeryndunham | copying and pasting, but I was trying to start with one of their examples that is shorted |
| 02:14.34 | aeryndunham | I'm in way over my head, though |
| 02:14.51 | TodPunk | shorted? what? |
| 02:15.00 | aeryndunham | shorter, sorry |
| 02:15.15 | aeryndunham | a short example whose answer I can visualize rather than the super long string |
| 02:15.23 | TodPunk | that's fine |
| 02:15.34 | TodPunk | R5, L5, R5, R3 |
| 02:15.39 | TodPunk | put that in a string somewhere |
| 02:16.02 | aeryndunham | ok |
| 02:17.22 | TodPunk | Now with strings you can do LOTS of things, and knowing what all of them are is impossible, so you have to add some tools to your box. I'll go over two of them in python |
| 02:17.45 | aeryndunham | I tried laying with .split but couldn't get it to do what I wanted |
| 02:18.08 | TodPunk | Replace will replace a substring with another substring. So in "foo, bar, baz" if I were to replace("ba", "fo") the result would be "foo, far, faz" |
| 02:18.42 | aeryndunham | not for, foz? |
| 02:18.57 | TodPunk | yes, sorry, for, foz |
| 02:19.13 | TodPunk | Split I can split on characters. If I give it one character, it will split things into a list of strings that do not contain that character |
| 02:19.22 | aeryndunham | (also if you want to take this tutorial to pm that's ok so we don't spam everyone) |
| 02:19.23 | TodPunk | If you give it multiple characters, it will split on each of them individually |
| 02:19.40 | TodPunk | nope, spam everyone, those bastards can wade through it or correct me or something |
| 02:19.52 | aeryndunham | lol ok |
| 02:20.30 | TodPunk | You can see in that Javascript example that I replaced the TWO separators with ONE separator so I can split on the one separator |
| 02:20.53 | TodPunk | You can do the same, or you can try to split and then deal with the resulting extra bits |
| 02:20.58 | TodPunk | Both are valid, really |
| 02:21.25 | aeryndunham | hmm? |
| 02:21.50 | TodPunk | so like, in my Javascript, I did input.replace(' ', '') |
| 02:22.03 | TodPunk | this replaces ALL the empty spaces with nothing, thereby eliminating them |
| 02:22.18 | aeryndunham | ah ok |
| 02:22.18 | TodPunk | so then we've got R5,L5,R5,R3 |
| 02:23.04 | TodPunk | That's easier to split on into what I wanted, but you might want to just split right away or something, I won't judge |
| 02:23.52 | aeryndunham | is still confused on how she is supposed to be splitting |
| 02:25.10 | TodPunk | input.split(',') would return a list of ['R5', 'L5', 'R5', 'R3'] |
| 02:25.20 | TodPunk | if you replaced the spaces |
| 02:25.35 | aeryndunham | input.split(',') doesn't seem to change anything |
| 02:25.42 | TodPunk | otherwise: ['R5', ' L5', 'R5', ' R3'] |
| 02:25.50 | TodPunk | It doesn't change it in place |
| 02:25.55 | TodPunk | it returns a new thing |
| 02:26.24 | TodPunk | myInstructionList = input.split(',') |
| 02:26.28 | TodPunk | print(myInstructionList) |
| 02:28.25 | aeryndunham | yeah I have that |
| 02:28.42 | TodPunk | I'm going to have to do this in python, methinks |
| 02:30.39 | TodPunk | where is my powershell? |
| 02:31.36 | TodPunk | ok, input isn't in place either |
| 02:32.26 | TodPunk | aeryndunham: are you familiar with the REPL? |
| 02:33.00 | aeryndunham | nope |
| 02:34.26 | TodPunk | just run python on the commandline |
| 02:34.32 | TodPunk | it will take you into the interactive REPL |
| 02:34.45 | TodPunk | here you can experiment with things in line-by-line ways |
| 02:35.07 | TodPunk | Try starting with |
| 02:35.07 | TodPunk | input = "R5, L5, R5, R3" |
| 02:35.10 | aeryndunham | oh, ok, yeah |
| 02:35.37 | TodPunk | It will output the result of the return on every statement which is nice for planning this sort of thing out and reasoning about what you're doing |
| 02:36.02 | TodPunk | Otherwise I'd recommend some sort of step-debugger in an IDE, like PyCharm is my goto for bigger projects. I just REPL single script things |
| 02:44.29 | aeryndunham | thanks for trying to help |
| 02:45.33 | TodPunk | Technically I'm also working with a community game thing, but yeah, anytime =cP |
| 02:45.51 | aeryndunham | hah |
| 02:47.51 | aeryndunham | as far as I can see input.split isn't doing anything, and I still can't proceed any further >.> |
| 02:47.56 | aeryndunham | (and sorry, everyone else) |
| 02:48.23 | TodPunk | give me the line you've typed |
| 02:48.31 | TodPunk | the split line |
| 02:48.49 | aeryndunham | input.split(',') |
| 02:49.03 | aeryndunham | but they are already split by commas |
| 02:49.55 | TodPunk | what was input before that line? |
| 02:50.23 | TodPunk | ( hastebin.com is your friend, btw, if you want to paste the whole thing) |
| 02:50.24 | aeryndunham | input ="R5, L5, R5, R3" |
| 02:50.58 | aeryndunham | http://hastebin.com/qihesoraso.pl |
| 02:52.21 | TodPunk | ok, so input.split(',') will RETURN a list, it will not modify the variable input |
| 02:52.31 | TodPunk | so "foo = input.split(',')" |
| 02:52.38 | TodPunk | and print foo after that |
| 02:54.38 | TodPunk | (and give me feedback on when that makes sense to you or you've tried something and are confused) |
| 02:55.00 | aeryndunham | it doesn't do anything |
| 02:55.07 | aeryndunham | I must be doing everything wrong |
| 02:55.33 | TodPunk | The only thing you're doing wrong is using pronouns in ways I don't understand =c) It could be anything |
| 02:55.44 | TodPunk | The line? The split call? |
| 02:55.55 | aeryndunham | the split |
| 02:56.52 | aeryndunham | or, it puts it in a list? |
| 02:57.03 | aeryndunham | but it didn't seem to with the list of directions |
| 03:00.53 | TodPunk | are you familiar with the concept of state? |
| 03:01.09 | TodPunk | (I never know where anyone is at, sorry if this is offensive) |
| 03:01.23 | aeryndunham | uhh I don't think so |
| 03:01.37 | aeryndunham | (I think I am in way over my head even TRYING this stuff) |
| 03:02.32 | TodPunk | You'll be fine, this is the best way to learn. I could tell you stories about my son =cP |
| 03:02.39 | TodPunk | Give me a few, I have ot help my team |
| 03:06.38 | TodPunk | OK, so you have a piece of paper |
| 03:06.43 | TodPunk | On it is nothing |
| 03:06.58 | TodPunk | It's "state" is the current things on the paper (or lack thereof) |
| 03:07.33 | TodPunk | When you make an operation or "statement" on the paper, you change its state or you look at it. One of the two |
| 03:07.44 | TodPunk | The state of things are the way they are at a given moment |
| 03:07.58 | TodPunk | So the "state" of the program changes every line |
| 03:08.04 | TodPunk | The "state" of a variable may or may not |
| 03:08.10 | TodPunk | "input" as a variable stores a value |
| 03:08.23 | TodPunk | If you do something to it, it could change, or it could not. |
| 03:08.40 | TodPunk | So if you do "input.split(',')" |
| 03:08.52 | TodPunk | the "state" of input doesn't change. |
| 03:09.01 | aeryndunham | wut |
| 03:09.03 | TodPunk | This would be like taking a copy of your paper and doing something with THAT |
| 03:09.45 | TodPunk | Once you've changed the state of your paper, though, you CAN NOT GO BACK |
| 03:10.12 | TodPunk | You can copy a state and restore it, but you can't use the same piece of paper, you have to change it to an equivalent state, right? |
| 03:10.39 | TodPunk | Like you can type the same letters on the page, and it will be equivalent, but you can't say they're the same |
| 03:10.48 | TodPunk | (insert philosophical handwavy nonsense here) |
| 03:11.01 | TodPunk | So here you question your assumptions |
| 03:11.15 | TodPunk | WHAT is happening to "input" when you do "input.split(',')" ? |
| 03:14.15 | aeryndunham | well I guess I don't know :p |
| 03:14.19 | aeryndunham | but i do need to go now |
| 03:14.45 | aeryndunham | and I will continue this exercise tomorrow |
| 03:17.15 | TodPunk | kk, I'll be around and happy to help when I am |
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| 15:46.23 | aeryndunham | Some glorious day I am going to remember scp syntax without looking it up :p |
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| 17:52.34 | harleypig | aeryndunham: That will be a few months after it has been deprecated for something else. |
| 17:54.10 | aeryndunham | harleypig: Oh, most definitey |
| 17:54.41 | aeryndunham | I have today a .jpg that is the right color when I open the file but when I put in in a html file the color changes. wtf. |
| 18:04.51 | harleypig | Your browser is using a different color pallet? |
| 18:11.32 | aeryndunham | I guess? But I tried in many browsers... |
| 18:32.43 | aeryndunham | Oh, huh, it looks ok in Safari but not in Chrome |
| 18:32.48 | aeryndunham | but Chrome is what it will be used on |
| 18:32.50 | aeryndunham | thinks |
| 19:03.08 | aeryndunham | I find the site I am working on hideously ugly and I don't know why. |
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| 21:56.57 | aeryndunham | throws a first draft of what she's working on onto the web and doesn't COMPLETELY hate it... success? |
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| 23:37.20 | aeryndunham | yawns |
| 23:38.45 | spangborn | aeryndunham: Regarding the image appearing differently, check what color profile it has |
| 23:39.41 | aeryndunham | spangborn: How does one check that? |
| 23:39.55 | spangborn | Photoshop is one way |
| 23:40.52 | spangborn | Exiftool will do it, too |
| 23:45.06 | aeryndunham | needs photoshop |
| 23:45.14 | aeryndunham | I do enough web design that I realllly should have some decent graphics tools |
| 23:46.00 | aeryndunham | Hmmmmm - this site needs something next to the search bar, I think, but I dunno what |
| 23:46.13 | aeryndunham | 104.131.230.123/princess/index.html is what I've been working on all day |
| 23:55.28 | spangborn | Nice! |
| 23:56.24 | aeryndunham | I don't like it and I'm not sure why or what I can do to fix it. |
| 23:56.28 | aeryndunham | But alas :p |
| 23:56.56 | aeryndunham | (this is to replace Google as our default page here, too many people are always like "But I want AOL; your computer brings me Google" - they honestly don't know how to proceed) |