| 00:29.50 | aeryndunham | aaaargh it took me 20 mins just now to figure out why a woman couldn't register for Internet... she was intenttionally putting the wrong birth year so I 'wouldn't know how old [she] was' and she didn't clue in taht maaaaaybe an incorrect birthday was the issue :/ |
| 01:13.26 | jlp_znc | oh dear... did you gently tell her that you don't really care how old she is? |
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| 14:49.21 | eightyeight | Time for one of my all time favorites: 22/32: The Zodiac Killer Ciphers- https://twitter.com/AaronToponce/status/798535182454132736 |
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| 15:31.27 | aeryndunham | ooh I wish I had time to go outside today, this port look beautiful |
| 15:48.23 | jlp_znc | where are you today, aeryndunham? |
| 15:48.37 | aeryndunham | Dominican Republic |
| 15:48.43 | aeryndunham | somewhere near Puerto Plata |
| 15:48.47 | jlp_znc | nice |
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| 17:04.20 | spangborn | ~brave-- |
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| 18:24.12 | romanovic | Has anyone tried Mattermost? I spun up a VM and installed it for work, I'm very impressed |
| 18:24.53 | romanovic | I even like the UI better than Slack. Well, it's just an electron wrapper, like Slack, but at least they have more theming options |
| 18:25.08 | romanovic | s/more/actual/ |
| 18:26.19 | spangborn | Written in Go, so it'll be abandoned in a year? |
| 18:27.52 | romanovic | doubtful. I guess they could have gone with Java, like Slack. Which one do you think open source contributors would be most willing to work with? |
| 18:28.02 | romanovic | would pick Go |
| 18:57.11 | TodPunk | PHP |
| 18:57.16 | TodPunk | I kid |
| 18:57.31 | TodPunk | I don't like Mattermost, seems more like a Discord than a Slack to me |
| 18:57.55 | TodPunk | granted, I don't like Discord or Slack either |
| 18:58.32 | aeryndunham | I like Discord and Slack, never tried Mattermost |
| 19:01.04 | aeryndunham | been meaning to try to get Discord and Slack going on my Linux VM, actually |
| 19:04.46 | romanovic | I've never used Discord before... targets gamers? |
| 19:05.29 | aeryndunham | haha yeah, I really only use it to talk to my WoW guild :/ |
| 19:06.11 | aeryndunham | not that I can play from the ship |
| 19:06.34 | romanovic | Mattermost is almost identical to Slack, except you host it yourself wherever and it's open source so you can integrate all the things |
| 19:06.44 | aeryndunham | ahh |
| 19:07.46 | romanovic | aeryndunham: I remember using ventrilo and teamspeak many years ago. There's also Mumble, which is free an open source and works really well |
| 19:08.16 | romanovic | but again, you host it yourself |
| 19:09.10 | romanovic | Discord looks like the improved next-generation gamer chat |
| 19:10.35 | fungus | The best part about Discord is the wide array of multi-platform clients and a web client which works quite well. |
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| 19:18.05 | TodPunk | has a Mumble server |
| 19:22.02 | aeryndunham | aaaaaaaargh passengers relentless today |
| 19:22.04 | aeryndunham | GO OUTSIDE |
| 19:24.06 | romanovic | maybe the trick is Gamifying going outside |
| 19:25.30 | romanovic | "all of you with free minutes, Win 1 free drink for every day you don't use internet!" |
| 19:34.41 | spangborn | Discord's UI is atrocious |
| 19:34.47 | spangborn | Worse than slack, even |
| 19:37.52 | aeryndunham | it tells me I have a notification and I can't make it go away |
| 19:39.47 | spangborn | And it's a "*" |
| 19:39.51 | spangborn | Discord sucks. |
| 19:43.41 | aeryndunham | I did get it go away. Yay. |
| 19:45.49 | aeryndunham | This has been my busiest port day shift ever. A queue for 3 full h ours. |
| 19:47.07 | spangborn | Is is it a FIFO queue? Or a FILO queue? |
| 19:48.48 | aeryndunham | hangs her head in shame and does not know what that means |
| 19:49.47 | spangborn | First in, first out or first in, last out |
| 19:49.54 | spangborn | (It's a programming term) |
| 19:49.57 | spangborn | Basically a queue or a stack |
| 19:53.23 | aeryndunham | there can't be anyone left onboard today who needs help |
| 19:53.30 | aeryndunham | internet is working fine today |
| 19:53.33 | aeryndunham | but nobody can read |
| 19:54.34 | spangborn | Can you help me get connected to the internet? |
| 19:54.44 | spangborn | Do I need to click on AOL? |
| 19:54.58 | aeryndunham | ugh see an error message |
| 19:54.59 | aeryndunham | brb |
| 19:55.27 | aeryndunham | yup, he couldn't read |
| 19:55.37 | aeryndunham | although what someone born in 1929 is doing on the internet anyway, I dunno. Power to him, I guess. |
| 19:57.04 | aeryndunham | The error message "sorry, usename already exists" typically mystifies everyone |
| 19:57.12 | aeryndunham | *username |
| 19:57.27 | spangborn | What's he signing up for, retirement? |
| 19:58.00 | aeryndunham | hah |
| 19:58.37 | aeryndunham | I mean it's GREAT when I get older people who know how to use the computer, I get so many ladies who are like.... 50 and think they are dinosaurs incapable of using their iPhone, and then an 87 year old will need no help |
| 19:59.12 | aeryndunham | spends much of her time motivational speaking in here to convince them they are NOT too old/stupid/whatever to use a phone |
| 19:59.16 | jlp_znc | but why are they in the computer lab when the ship is in port? shouldn't they be out wandering around, taking in the sights? |
| 19:59.24 | aeryndunham | One would imagine |
| 19:59.28 | aeryndunham | Puerto Plata is SO PRETTY |
| 19:59.30 | aeryndunham | and yet |
| 19:59.32 | aeryndunham | here they all are |
| 19:59.34 | jlp_znc | I mean, they could have used the computer at home. |
| 19:59.44 | aeryndunham | right?? |
| 19:59.52 | spangborn | Port Silver |
| 19:59.55 | spangborn | Is there silver? |
| 19:59.58 | aeryndunham | anywho, I'm on "break" which means I get to go do the things I din't have time to do while I was on duty |
| 20:00.05 | aeryndunham | back later! |
| 20:00.09 | jlp_znc | enjoy! |
| 20:01.19 | spangborn | ~brave-- |
| 20:01.23 | spangborn | ~karma brave |
| 20:01.23 | infobot | brave has karma of 32 |
| 20:01.28 | spangborn | Gettin' there |
| 20:02.36 | TodPunk | ~brave-- |
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| 20:59.03 | klys | ~slashdot |
| 21:00.31 | spangborn | Whoa, apparently I'm being A/B tested with Firefox? |
| 21:00.51 | spangborn | 49.0.2 Funnelcake Onboarding Q3 2016 - v1.2 variation mozilla88 - 1.0 |
| 21:05.41 | klys | fire fox fiddy |
| 21:05.46 | klys | jus like that |
| 21:06.17 | spangborn | Firefox 50, woo |
| 21:08.32 | eightyeight | firefox 50 supports secure cookie prefixs |
| 21:08.52 | eightyeight | https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Headers/Set-Cookie?#Cookie_prefixes |
| 21:12.18 | jlp_znc | you know, I tried firefox again a few months ago. I gave it a real try, too, didn't start chrome once for the month I was using firefox. |
| 21:12.32 | jlp_znc | I went back to chrome. firefox still sucks. |
| 21:14.00 | TodPunk | ~jlp_znc++ |
| 21:14.27 | spangborn | Chrome's dev tools are absymal |
| 21:14.39 | spangborn | And I prefer a browser that doesn't have Flash in it :) |
| 21:16.19 | eightyeight | so do i. chromium ftw. |
| 21:16.27 | TodPunk | dev tools? what? |
| 21:16.51 | eightyeight | i find firefox's built-in dev tools dismal, actually |
| 21:16.58 | eightyeight | chromes is vastly superior |
| 21:17.12 | spangborn | Chrome's dev tool UI is atrocious |
| 21:17.17 | eightyeight | if i don't have firebug, i'm not using firefox for dev |
| 21:17.19 | TodPunk | if you're developing javascript stuff, both are terrible |
| 21:17.33 | spangborn | Firefox's new one is better than Firebug, which is buggy as hell now |
| 21:18.15 | jlp_znc | sits back and watches the fire grow |
| 21:18.16 | eightyeight | firefox itself is largely the problem |
| 21:18.57 | eightyeight | i've tried, over and over, to stick with it. it either crashes, locks up, or get sluggish as molasses on a cold day |
| 21:19.06 | eightyeight | for all practical purposes, it's unusable |
| 21:19.21 | klys | how do you stream a video codec without flash |
| 21:19.31 | spangborn | HTML5 video |
| 21:19.35 | klys | noo |
| 21:19.42 | klys | without copy protection either |
| 21:19.45 | eightyeight | who streams flash video codecs? |
| 21:19.47 | spangborn | How do you use a Flash-enabled browser without opening yourself to malware? |
| 21:19.54 | spangborn | klys: HTML5 video has DRM now |
| 21:20.00 | spangborn | Not that I have it enabled, anyway |
| 21:20.06 | klys | I don't want html5 |
| 21:20.13 | klys | I want a free streaming service |
| 21:20.19 | spangborn | Why not? |
| 21:20.21 | klys | no DRM |
| 21:20.29 | spangborn | Free streaming service? Oh so you want malware |
| 21:20.32 | eightyeight | HTML video dosn't have to be DRM encumbered |
| 21:20.50 | spangborn | True, and as such, I have the DRM disabled |
| 21:20.57 | eightyeight | as a content provider, you decide if you want DRM enabled or not |
| 21:21.03 | spangborn | DRM encumbered sites can DIAF |
| 21:21.10 | eightyeight | ~spangborn++ |
| 21:21.14 | klys | you guys should go to http://www.fsf.org/ soon. |
| 21:21.18 | spangborn | If your content isn't provided in HTML5 video, I have no interest in watching it |
| 21:21.25 | eightyeight | klys: why? |
| 21:21.34 | klys | because of consumer lock-in. |
| 21:21.56 | eightyeight | huh? |
| 21:22.08 | klys | read the essay on why copyleft |
| 21:22.10 | eightyeight | what does this have to do with providing HTML5 video? |
| 21:22.17 | spangborn | He's probably referring to EME |
| 21:22.20 | spangborn | Which is already a thing |
| 21:22.21 | eightyeight | i'm familiar with copyleft, RMS, the FSF, and GNU |
| 21:22.23 | klys | DRM is also a topic he wrote essays on |
| 21:22.24 | spangborn | And you can opt-out of it |
| 21:22.25 | eightyeight | i've been around for a while |
| 21:22.35 | eightyeight | klys: right. but again, YOU don't have to enable it |
| 21:22.42 | spangborn | And Flash being proprietary is worse than EME |
| 21:22.46 | eightyeight | you can have HTML5 video without DRM/EME |
| 21:22.53 | klys | until it becomes logistically impossible to disable it |
| 21:22.53 | spangborn | I don't want a closed-source binary shipping in my browser. Period. |
| 21:22.54 | eightyeight | https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/free-software-stories-from-fsf30-640-webm/ is proof of that |
| 21:23.17 | eightyeight | klys: if someone has that amount of control over your browser, you have bigger problems |
| 21:23.28 | spangborn | And at that point, you switch to a fork that allows it |
| 21:23.40 | klys | so? mozilla source has long had Freedom problems and is in source control |
| 21:23.46 | spangborn | Mozilla fought EME hard, and found they needed to implement it in order to have any level of user base |
| 21:23.52 | spangborn | And it's easily disabled |
| 21:24.03 | eightyeight | mozilla ships built-in proprietary addons: pocket and hello |
| 21:24.17 | eightyeight | and firefox suggests non-free extensions in their addons |
| 21:24.36 | spangborn | This is true, and I griped about that too |
| 21:24.38 | eightyeight | so, you choose a different browser if that bothers you |
| 21:24.40 | spangborn | before disabling it |
| 21:24.54 | eightyeight | dobbs knows there are dozens to choose frome |
| 21:24.58 | eightyeight | s/e$// |
| 21:25.05 | spangborn | Iceweasel probably doesn't ship with it |
| 21:25.17 | klys | well, Mozilla is amking such `clean' code from their source control system that I hear the "rust programming language" came out of it. |
| 21:25.36 | eightyeight | for that matter, you better stay off the web |
| 21:25.49 | eightyeight | most javascript is not explicitly copyleft licensed |
| 21:26.07 | klys | lynx doesn't load javascript |
| 21:26.13 | klys | off the web? |
| 21:26.14 | spangborn | lol @ plausibly using Lynx |
| 21:26.26 | spangborn | I hope you have a cached version of the internet circa 1995 |
| 21:26.34 | eightyeight | wait, wait, wait |
| 21:26.45 | eightyeight | weren't you just complaining about streaming video without flash? |
| 21:26.53 | eightyeight | how does that work in lynx(1)? |
| 21:26.53 | klys | that was mostly bulletin board systems. see cd.textfiles.com for 1995 content. |
| 21:27.24 | klys | lynx users can only plausibly use youtube-dl to get video |
| 21:27.41 | spangborn | So how well does that work for say.. ksl.com? |
| 21:27.43 | klys | unless someone agreed to share the video |
| 21:28.07 | eightyeight | youtuble-dl doesn't use flash |
| 21:28.09 | klys | idk I only follow world news and cable networks |
| 21:28.09 | spangborn | It's implausible, lol. |
| 21:28.52 | spangborn | It seems like you're just being a retrogrouch about HTML5 in general, and would rather pigeonhole yourself into obsolete tech. |
| 21:29.07 | klys | therefore? |
| 21:29.24 | spangborn | And yet, somehow, claim to use Flash in a browser |
| 21:29.33 | eightyeight | which is a non-free codec |
| 21:29.33 | spangborn | The contradictions write themselves |
| 21:29.47 | klys | I have firefox 50.0 I said that earlier |
| 21:30.09 | spangborn | And then you grasped at straws and brought up Lynx |
| 21:30.17 | spangborn | blinks |
| 21:30.29 | klys | why would I ever stop using lynx? |
| 21:30.52 | klys | "get off the web" |
| 21:30.57 | spangborn | Now I'm not sure that you're not just trolling |
| 21:31.48 | klys | "stay off the web" |
| 21:31.55 | klys | I'm not going to stop using lynx |
| 21:32.02 | spangborn | Cool |
| 21:32.30 | spangborn | You're also not going to stop contradicting yourself, apparently |
| 21:32.42 | spangborn | Which is cool with me, I don't really care |
| 21:32.55 | klys | HTML5 is drm trash and you seem to dispute it on grounds that Firefox 50 uses it |
| 21:33.27 | spangborn | No, EME is DRM |
| 21:33.43 | spangborn | EME != HTML5 |
| 21:33.50 | klys | never heard of it, is that some city in syria |
| 21:33.54 | klys | <cough> |
| 21:33.55 | spangborn | You seem to conflate one totally different thing with something else |
| 21:34.32 | eightyeight | indeed |
| 21:34.55 | eightyeight | EME == DRM. HTML5 == markup |
| 21:34.58 | klys | html5 was only invented so we could stream video without revealing the codec to reverse-engineering. |
| 21:35.03 | eightyeight | no |
| 21:35.04 | spangborn | No |
| 21:35.07 | eightyeight | dobbs no |
| 21:35.19 | spangborn | And that's exactly where you're demonstrating that your understanding of HTML5 is completely insufficient |
| 21:35.20 | klys | same with HDMI and displayport |
| 21:35.26 | eightyeight | that's something like 9yo daughter would tell me, after hearing something from her school friends at the playground |
| 21:35.39 | eightyeight | the ignorance is strong with this one |
| 21:35.54 | spangborn | ISIS invented CSS3 |
| 21:36.02 | klys | do you realize how fast the web is changing and eliminating old content? find me a softpaq from y2k |
| 21:36.11 | eightyeight | good luck with that |
| 21:36.26 | spangborn | Good, the web should change |
| 21:36.30 | spangborn | HTML4 and XHTML sucks. |
| 21:36.38 | eightyeight | ++ |
| 21:36.47 | eightyeight | does not miss the XHTML doctypes |
| 21:36.50 | eightyeight | like, at all |
| 21:37.01 | spangborn | makes eightyeight a transitional sandwich |
| 21:37.09 | eightyeight | "was that 1.1 strict? transition? or 1.2? 2.0?" |
| 21:37.11 | eightyeight | searches |
| 21:37.33 | eightyeight | the horrors of 90s and 00s web development |
| 21:37.44 | spangborn | This conversation is genuinely making me snort at the absurd things klys is saying |
| 21:38.00 | eightyeight | ~moss |
| 21:38.00 | infobot | I want to go back to being weird. I like being weird. Weird is all I've got. That and my sweet style. |
| 21:38.08 | eightyeight | apropos |
| 21:38.22 | spangborn | Anyone know what the last E in EME stands for? |
| 21:38.22 | klys | you keep your "html5 player" just don't expect me to cooperate |
| 21:38.28 | klys | no |
| 21:38.29 | spangborn | Oh right. Extension |
| 21:39.11 | spangborn | I don't think anyone cares if one retrogrouch doesn't cooperate, honestly |
| 21:39.29 | klys | pioneer |
| 21:39.46 | spangborn | You talk about the web evolving, and then want to hold it back |
| 21:40.11 | spangborn | shrugs |
| 21:40.16 | eightyeight | klys: i couldn't care less how you use the web |
| 21:40.22 | klys | I asked how to get a free video stream on to a webserver and you're like only if you cooperate with the record labels |
| 21:41.16 | spangborn | Is using Flash not cooperating? |
| 21:41.24 | klys | it is cooperating |
| 21:41.30 | eightyeight | it is rather unfortunate, however, how strong your ignorance is towards HTML5 and DRM |
| 21:41.40 | klys | digital rights management. |
| 21:41.40 | eightyeight | but hey, not my problem! :) |
| 21:41.46 | spangborn | So how is that any different? |
| 21:41.55 | spangborn | I'd prefer neither to use EME or Flash |
| 21:42.00 | spangborn | And I don't use either, so life is good. |
| 21:42.34 | eightyeight | ++ |
| 21:42.36 | klys | serving unencrypted video is another matter |
| 21:42.38 | TodPunk | guys, you do know not to engage with klys in a debate, right? |
| 21:42.51 | eightyeight | TodPunk: /filter add klys ? |
| 21:43.07 | TodPunk | he's harmless otherwise, just not self-aware |
| 21:43.32 | klys | make sure to do your homework http://www.fsf.org/ (had to get that in before you press /ignore) |
| 21:43.46 | spangborn | lol @ pretending you understand HTML5 enough to tell us what to do |
| 21:43.49 | spangborn | Cute. |
| 21:44.02 | TodPunk | his head's broken in some specific ways you're not going to be able to work well with in a conversation |
| 21:44.20 | klys | I want to be a pinoeer since I live in utah |
| 21:44.28 | eightyeight | klys: i've finially suported the FSF, EFF, and GnuPG. i've been a propronent of Free Software, GNU, Linux, and Open Source, since the early '00s |
| 21:44.32 | TodPunk | he can understand some technical topics quite deeply, but applying them to humans is something he's incapable of |
| 21:44.35 | klys | I will only pioneer successfully with Free products and services. |
| 21:44.39 | spangborn | Based on what you've described of your life, I'm not sure I'd call "live" what you're doing |
| 21:45.30 | spangborn | yawns |
| 21:45.36 | TodPunk | I don't know if his handicap has a name or whatever, and I wouldn't care if it did, it's only important to understand the vectors on which productive conversation will not happen |
| 21:45.39 | eightyeight | hell, i even financially suppor the PDPC, when <lilo> ran it and Freenode |
| 21:45.45 | eightyeight | s/suppor/supported/ |
| 21:45.50 | klys | Ergo, I would like to see web service (like I have) for Free video streams, perhaps multicast over a VPN. |
| 21:46.04 | eightyeight | klys: don't use VPN |
| 21:46.22 | klys | you can't get a multicast address anymore, 224.x.x.x is all sold out. |
| 21:46.32 | eightyeight | IPV6 ftw |
| 21:46.41 | spangborn | bashes head through deask |
| 21:46.46 | spangborn | s/deask/desk/ |
| 21:48.35 | klys | since video streaming is such a touchy political issue, it seems no one is able to grasp what I want |
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| 21:48.54 | spangborn | I'm not sure you can even grasp what you want |
| 21:49.09 | klys | if I use C with multicast sockets I might |
| 21:49.20 | klys | I've done that before |
| 21:49.30 | spangborn | Those are words, yes |
| 21:50.10 | eightyeight | that sentence doesn't have an XML |
| 21:50.18 | eightyeight | s/an/any/ |
| 21:50.41 | klys | the greater the hope of the public in view streaming, the more free content there will be, and the more onus to stream |
| 21:51.01 | eightyeight | so, wanna feel old? |
| 21:51.05 | klys | sure |
| 21:51.12 | eightyeight | Space Jam is now 20 years old. |
| 21:51.26 | spangborn | I love that movie. |
| 21:51.30 | TodPunk | Michael Jordan was still relevant then |
| 21:51.34 | TodPunk | a different time |
| 21:52.11 | eightyeight | and `Air Jordan' shoes are still commonplace |
| 21:52.24 | eightyeight | although kids are wearing them, that likely have never seen him play a game |
| 21:52.59 | spangborn | I remember him spelling the end of the relevancy of the Jazz |
| 21:53.04 | eightyeight | (which were introduced 32 years ago, i might add) |
| 21:53.24 | TodPunk | I lived in Chicago during the three-peat |
| 21:53.32 | TodPunk | to us the Jazz never were relevant =cP |
| 21:53.55 | eightyeight | heh |
| 21:54.08 | spangborn | Sadly, I'm seeing RSL go that way too |
| 21:54.22 | spangborn | Thanks to ownership with the intelligence of the average rock |
| 21:54.47 | eightyeight | americans don't really get behind soccer like they do basketball and football |
| 21:55.05 | romanovic | is RSL attendance declining? |
| 21:55.20 | eightyeight | even golf and tennis get better viewerships than soccer |
| 21:56.03 | romanovic | hasn't been to a game, but just as was the case 5 yrs ago, traffic is still snarled on game days with all the fans converging |
| 21:56.37 | eightyeight | soccer probably sees more attendance than darts though. so, there's that |
| 21:57.26 | spangborn | romanovic: I'm not sure, mostly because they don't count butts-in-seats, it's all just tickets sold |
| 21:57.35 | spangborn | And the stadium does seem rather empty on numerous occasions |
| 21:59.47 | klys | so |
| 22:00.02 | klys | the best way to control a stream and keep it running would be by popular vote |
| 22:00.03 | spangborn | no |
| 22:00.16 | spangborn | The best way would be to complain about it in IRC |
| 22:00.54 | klys | of course you could moderate and encrypt, even use a VPN, just there has to be some way to serve the vide with regular html. |
| 22:00.57 | TodPunk | That reminds me that I need to test these two drives |
| 22:01.24 | TodPunk | boot drive on this file server I'm building has problems, gotta replace it with one of these old ones, but I don't know if either is good |
| 22:01.29 | spangborn | Oh, I suppose I need to load the ignore module on ZNC |
| 22:01.35 | TodPunk | but alas, I lack the USB enclosure for the moment |
| 22:02.07 | TodPunk | badblocks overnight, I suppose, is in my future |
| 22:05.07 | klys | todpunk, usb flash memory drive? or mechanical |
| 22:05.16 | TodPunk | mechanical |
| 22:05.19 | TodPunk | all three |
| 22:06.00 | TodPunk | the SMART data will give me a good negative test to save some time if the drive is already dead, though |
| 22:06.09 | klys | it seems someone was warning SSDs and flash memory won't last as long as a mechanical disk |
| 22:06.37 | klys | the few drives I have had touble with, though, were mechanical. |
| 22:07.32 | TodPunk | When SSDs first came out they had some significant failure problems |
| 22:07.37 | TodPunk | these were worked out in the first couple years |
| 22:07.44 | TodPunk | They're good now |
| 22:07.57 | TodPunk | They can still fail, mind you |
| 22:12.22 | eightyeight | and the smaller the process, the fewer the write cycles each chip can endure |
| 22:12.47 | eightyeight | but you should be more concerned about your spinning hard drive failing than your ssd |
| 22:13.09 | RyanE | as long as you have wear levelling turned on, they should last a looong time. |
| 22:13.16 | RyanE | but backup anyway. :) |
| 22:13.19 | eightyeight | i mean, that's kind of the point of ssds- no moving parts means faster lookups and less things to break |
| 22:22.13 | spangborn | I've had two SSDs fail :( |
| 22:22.33 | spangborn | Third-party Mac SSDs, even |
| 22:24.02 | eightyeight | before their expected lifespan? |
| 22:24.08 | spangborn | Yep. |
| 22:24.15 | eightyeight | that sucks. what make/model were they? |
| 22:24.40 | spangborn | They came from OWC/Macsales, but I'm not sure who manufactures them |
| 22:25.11 | spangborn | OWC Aura Pro 6G |
| 22:25.22 | eightyeight | i've had great success with the intel 320s |
| 22:25.39 | TodPunk | Don't use non-name brand RAM or SSDs |
| 22:25.40 | spangborn | Fortunately they replaced them for me, so just dealing with the hassle of shipping them was all I had to do |
| 22:25.56 | TodPunk | unless it's SO cheap that it doesn't matter |
| 22:26.03 | eightyeight | the samsung 840 pros are fantastic also |
| 22:26.16 | spangborn | Well this was a 480GB SSD for like $300 |
| 22:26.16 | TodPunk | I think mine is an 830 in my desktop |
| 22:27.36 | spangborn | And it's because Apple didn't sell an rMBP with that large of SSD |
| 22:27.50 | spangborn | I bought the refurb rMBP and upgraded the SSD. So to some extent, I'm asking for it |