| 00:05.34 | shalkie | ho ho, and a bottle of rum! |
| 00:06.40 | aeryndunham | is going slowly crazy at work again |
| 00:09.01 | levi | I am doing pretty good. Finally got quiet at the office; maybe I can get a bit of work done before I go home. |
| 00:09.10 | aeryndunham | Exciting! |
| 00:09.26 | aeryndunham | It's kinda quiet here tonight but I had 6 hours of insanity already so I'm just sitting here blogging |
| 00:10.42 | aeryndunham | and listening to a guy our in our atrium play music targets at the elderly on a steel drum |
| 00:13.51 | levi | I've been listening to the Decemberists and pondering the bizarre nature of the election season. |
| 00:14.15 | aeryndunham | Election onboard is going to be terrifying |
| 00:14.28 | aeryndunham | I counted six Make America Great Again hats today |
| 00:14.40 | levi | Heh. |
| 00:16.26 | levi | I have very little sympathy for my relatives who are bemoaning the moral dilemma they're facing as Republicans who think Trump is horrible but also believe Clinton is evil incarnate or something. |
| 00:17.25 | aeryndunham | voted already |
| 00:18.36 | aeryndunham | But yeah, I know what you mean |
| 00:21.03 | levi | They're all "I hope we can still be friends after I let you know I voted for McMullin" when I got verbally abused by several of them two elections ago for suggesting that we might keep the level of discourse somewhere above the "Obama is a Kenyan Muslim terrorist!" level. |
| 00:21.21 | aeryndunham | yeesh |
| 00:23.51 | shalkie | Levi: I have a friend that used to come in early to get work done before everyone showed up. I usually come in later and leave late just for the quiet in the evening. |
| 00:25.09 | levi | shalkie: I'd do the early morning thing if I was wired for it. Would have made certain periods in my career way more pleasant. |
| 00:25.34 | aeryndunham | I want nothing more than I job where I CAN come in early or stay late to get my work done |
| 00:25.37 | aeryndunham | but noooo I have to sit here and deal with passengers |
| 00:26.00 | shalkie | Yes, but do you secretly ever hope they don't come back? |
| 00:27.47 | shalkie | goozbach: Welcome back! |
| 00:27.52 | aeryndunham | the passengers? sure |
| 00:28.39 | levi | aeryndunham: I feel for you; I spent some time doing IT work and the hands-on support was definitely not my favorite part. |
| 00:29.07 | aeryndunham | Hand-on support wouldn't even be so bad if it weren't on the level of "open your browser" -- "oh, I don't have one" |
| 00:29.20 | shalkie | I used to do phone support. I would have killed for hands-on. |
| 00:29.34 | aeryndunham | yeah when they call it's horrible |
| 00:29.48 | scottj | phone support for people with bad eye sight is especially bad |
| 00:29.52 | aeryndunham | I want to move to a non-customer service IT job but I'm not qualfied for anything |
| 00:30.22 | levi | What sort of IT job do you want? |
| 00:30.40 | aeryndunham | I'm not sure, and that's half the problem |
| 00:30.50 | aeryndunham | I'm need to seriously study whatever I decide to go into, and I can't choose |
| 00:31.07 | shalkie | I had a colleague take a call from someone that was both drunk and illiterate. It was an amazing phone call. |
| 00:31.17 | aeryndunham | lol |
| 00:32.44 | levi | I got my first job basically from having spent a lot of time messing around with Linux, and got into software development because I'd played around with tweaking network game servers and claimed I could do it. |
| 00:33.38 | aeryndunham | I wanted to be a programmer for a long time but turns out I really suck :p |
| 00:33.39 | levi | I'd written programs before, and had some classes in it, but quite a lot of it I learned by picking it up as I went. |
| 00:33.46 | aeryndunham | But I keep trying |
| 00:35.02 | levi | I really sucked early on too. It helps a lot to have people around to give you focused tasks and guidance when you're learning. |
| 00:35.45 | aeryndunham | I've done so many Python courses but it just never clicks |
| 00:35.56 | aeryndunham | and then I get distracted by languages that seem neat but are waaaaaay less practical to learn |
| 00:36.10 | levi | But there's plenty of interesting computer stuff that doesn't involve crazy programming skills either, even though basic programming skills are pretty useful for a lot of it. |
| 00:36.42 | levi | <- always distracted by languages that seem neat |
| 00:36.51 | aeryndunham | Yeah... I'm sure I'll find something, but "IT" is just so broad that it's tough to even know where to start looking for a job that I might fit into |
| 00:37.46 | levi | My job keeps me relatively grounded by forcing me to write code in C, though. |
| 00:38.04 | aeryndunham | My boyfriend is a sysadmin, his job seems cool |
| 00:38.08 | scottj | iirc levi used to do a meetup at his house for neat impractical languages :) |
| 00:38.20 | levi | scottj: Yup! |
| 00:38.25 | aeryndunham | That sounds fun |
| 00:38.46 | levi | It was a short-lived meetup. |
| 00:38.58 | scottj | levi: I came once and did a clojure presentation |
| 00:39.00 | aeryndunham | The ones I think are "neat but impractical" ARE used by some people to do practical thigns, they just aren't sensible like Python or Ruby |
| 00:40.36 | levi | Most languages that are interesting are used by some people to do practical things, just not by huge numbers of people. I mean, people still write Forth code to fly space probes. |
| 00:48.29 | levi | Don't worry about sensibility right now. Just do stuff that seems fun and interesting. I mean, no one's paying you to do dull sensible stuff, so you might as well do something that you find interesting! Many of the skills will carry over. |
| 00:50.14 | aeryndunham | that makes sense |
| 00:50.16 | levi | There are a few really unique languages, but the vast majority of them have some fundamental structural principles in common. |
| 00:51.11 | TodPunk | and for the love of god don't start with web programming |
| 00:51.20 | shalkie | PHP for the masses! |
| 00:51.41 | aeryndunham | lol |
| 00:52.04 | aeryndunham | has a fully function website and she made it fully responsive with no JavaScript because she hates it that much :p |
| 00:52.10 | TodPunk | Even if you do nothing frontend-web-app you're doing 2-3 different languages AND you have to learn a ton about networking and server maintenance or you're incompetent |
| 00:52.14 | aeryndunham | css-only collapsing navbar ftw |
| 00:53.15 | levi | TodPunk and I both attend a meetup that is often attended by people just starting out with programming. It's amazing how many people suggest that they start out learning with node.js and some javascript framework. |
| 00:53.48 | aeryndunham | My blog host runs on node.js and it was horrible to set up |
| 00:54.04 | TodPunk | remember that troll that would NOT shut up about that gal needing to learn PHP, when all she really wanted to do was learn SQL? |
| 00:54.31 | levi | TodPunk: Ugh. |
| 00:55.55 | TodPunk | she never came back, sadly |
| 00:58.00 | levi | aeryndunham: If you can get auto-collapse CSS navbar stuff figured out *and* get a node.js-based blog set up, you'll do fine with whatever you decide you want to learn. |
| 00:58.23 | aeryndunham | levi: Thanks :) |
| 00:58.36 | TodPunk | seconded |
| 00:58.41 | TodPunk | god help you |
| 00:58.50 | aeryndunham | levi: I'm actually /really/ proud of my little blog, I forced myself to not use a CSS framework |
| 00:59.10 | aeryndunham | And the auto-collapse CSS code was deffffinitely not my own |
| 01:00.15 | levi | Even so, figuring out how to get someone else's CSS integrated with your own stuff is not always trivial. |
| 01:00.27 | aeryndunham | well thank you |
| 01:00.45 | aeryndunham | I always feel like I'm just faking so it's nice to know that maybe Ill be ok |
| 01:01.37 | levi | We all "fake it" to some degree, that's just what it feels like when you're on the boundaries of your experience and making improvements. |
| 01:01.43 | aeryndunham | :) |
| 01:01.51 | aeryndunham | well, I made it through another workday! so I'm outta here |
| 01:02.01 | aeryndunham | have a great night everyone! |
| 01:02.05 | levi | It's not like our field is well-organized and presented clearly from first principles anywhere. :) |
| 01:02.07 | levi | Seeya! |
| 01:03.29 | levi | OK, my user stories have stupid tasks in them and my debian packages for my modified kernel are building so I can try it out tomorrow; time to head home. |
| 01:27.19 | shalkie | Ugh. I don't want the cubs to win. |
| 01:27.35 | shalkie | I have a dollar for anyone that ones to help make sure they don't win. |
| 01:33.13 | shalkie | s/ones/wants/ |
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| 02:24.29 | TodPunk | http://www.imgur.com/gallery/qA4Bu |
| 02:25.02 | TodPunk | shalkie: I hope they sports harder than the other team sportses |
| 06:34.38 | eightyeight | unum: finished book 5. starting book 6. |
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| 13:18.49 | eightyeight | 10/32: The Phaistos Disc- https://twitter.com/AaronToponce/status/794163737317904385 |
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| 13:59.16 | klys | ~slashdot |
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| 15:07.06 | Migs | http://asgardia.space/ |
| 15:24.40 | programmerq | well, I feel dumb now. I realized that the flight I booked for my family to visit my parents for christmas has basically an 11 hour layover both directions. I do remember that this flight option was _significantly_ cheaper than others. I must have put the ridiculously huge layover out of my head. |
| 15:25.30 | RyanE | I think they sell nyquil by the case at Costco. |
| 15:25.38 | RyanE | just sayin' |
| 15:27.18 | unum | eightyeight: I'm about a fourth of the way through 11 |
| 15:28.36 | eightyeight | unum: nice. i'm hoping (fingers crossed) to get through 9 by the end of the year |
| 15:28.44 | eightyeight | i just need to make sure i read on weekends. |
| 15:28.45 | eightyeight | heh |
| 15:29.49 | eightyeight | in reality, i'll probably just get through 7. possibly 8. |
| 15:30.19 | unum | that's a book every other week |
| 15:30.41 | unum | about 70 pages a day |
| 15:31.05 | unum | it'll probably take me over two years to get through the series |
| 15:32.27 | jfindlay | ~napoleon |
| 15:32.27 | infobot | It's a liger, bred for its skills in magic. |
| 15:39.02 | romanovic | is suffering from high meeting fatigue this week |
| 15:41.23 | romanovic | on productive weeks, we average only an hour or so of meeting time per day. but this week... at least 2.5 hrs of meetings every day, plus a 9 hr meeting yesterday (seriously 9 straight hours, with two 7-minute breaks during the day), and 5.5 hours of meetings today |
| 15:44.41 | jfindlay | wow |
| 15:44.54 | jfindlay | do you work at a meeting company? |
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| 15:50.30 | romanovic | apparently? |
| 15:54.45 | romanovic | we do scrum meetings, but I am the scrum master and I make sure they don't get out of control. Many days we get away with just 10 minutes of meeting in the morning |
| 15:56.25 | romanovic | But levels above me are getting out of hand with trendy japanese management techniques, mandating a bunch of additional meetings to allow us to continuously improve |
| 15:57.41 | romanovic | too much process, not enough engineering |
| 15:58.25 | eightyeight | unum: yeah. that's about what i average. ~ 30 pages on the way into work, ~30 on lunch, ~30 on the way back |
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| 17:03.59 | levi | eightyeight: By book 5/6 you mean of WoT? |
| 17:04.08 | eightyeight | yeah |
| 17:05.47 | levi | Cool. I recall I was still enjoying them at that point. |
| 17:09.15 | eightyeight | i am |
| 17:09.24 | eightyeight | i haven't hit the "slog" yet, i'm guessing |
| 17:23.58 | programmerq | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDqrASz0gfw |
| 17:35.15 | SunSparc | programmerq: ?? |
| 18:03.44 | jnbek | programmerq: umm |
| 18:29.13 | programmerq | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkJR2LEihQY |
| 18:31.32 | spangborn | lol amazon just told me my Vortex cable will come sooner than expected |
| 18:31.52 | spangborn | Which is somewhat pointless |
| 18:32.11 | spangborn | I ordered a power cable for something I ordered from Germany, and the cable gets here first :( |
| 18:43.28 | jnbek | ordering from Germany seems to be unnaturally quick to deliver here to Utah... I order CDs from Germany and from AZ, and the German CD arrives a day sooner than the AZ order... |
| 18:43.30 | jnbek | everytime |
| 18:43.53 | jnbek | yes, I order quite a bit of CDs from Germany |
| 18:51.13 | SunSparc | Hail the Fatherland! |
| 19:12.58 | jfindlay | Beethoven CDs |
| 19:14.21 | shalkie | SomaFM just made me so happy by playing some Oingo Boingo. |
| 19:14.38 | shalkie | bounces around a little to the music |
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| 20:33.51 | jfindlay | does anyone know of a github gist downloader? |
| 20:34.14 | spangborn | https://www.npmjs.com/package/download-gist |
| 20:34.15 | jfindlay | gist.github.com's interface is often very confusing and unhelpful |
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| 20:43.27 | programmerq | jfindlay⸠you could git clone it |
| 20:44.01 | programmerq | git clone https://gist.github.com/<gistid>.git |
| 20:44.26 | programmerq | you can commit other stuff their interface doesn't normally allow that way too |
| 20:44.50 | programmerq | or for ssh: git@gist.github.com:<gistid>.git |
| 20:50.40 | shalkie | Hey programmerq, mind if I PM you? |
| 20:51.48 | programmerq | go for it |
| 20:54.09 | jfindlay | thanks for the help |
| 20:56.39 | aeryndunham | flops |
| 21:10.56 | SunSparc | flaps |
| 21:14.26 | aeryndunham | Passengers are being mean today |
| 21:18.17 | SunSparc | infobot: Give passengers some snark |
| 21:18.17 | infobot | ACTION gives some snark to passengers |
| 21:21.41 | spangborn | infobot: give aeryndunham a hug |
| 21:21.41 | infobot | ACTION gives a hug to aeryndunham |
| 21:31.59 | aeryndunham | Thanks |
| 21:32.17 | aeryndunham | also I need the election to be over because our passengers are vile and it's causing me much anxiety :( |
| 21:38.21 | levi | Ugh, sorry to hear that. Election periods like this bring out the worst in lots of people. |
| 21:39.23 | aeryndunham | They all sit here reading their email and start talking about the Fwds they are getting, etc., and it's uGLY in here |
| 21:40.04 | frostyfrog | passengers? |
| 21:40.18 | aeryndunham | is the internet cafe manager on a cruise ship |
| 21:40.56 | frostyfrog | Oh wow. |
| 21:41.00 | TodPunk | "Children, children! Keep your email to yourselves! Don't disturb other passengers with your political opinions!" |
| 21:41.44 | aeryndunham | Well they've basically all got the SAME poltical opinion, which you'd think would work out OK, but it ends up being... still ugly? Like they jsut start feeding the madness. |
| 21:42.10 | TodPunk | So they're not angry at each other and they're having a good time then? |
| 21:42.50 | aeryndunham | It quickly escalates into a "BUILD THAT WALL! KICK 'EM OUT! |
| 21:42.53 | aeryndunham | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:43.08 | aeryndunham | Which is just... unncessary in any polite public space :p |
| 21:43.34 | aeryndunham | Well, other than a designater political pep rally, I auppose. |
| 21:43.48 | frostyfrog | Wow, they really need to settle down. |
| 21:43.49 | aeryndunham | *designated |
| 21:44.16 | frostyfrog | wonders what they'd think of Canada building a wall to keep them blasted Amuricans out. |
| 21:44.25 | frostyfrog | xD |
| 21:44.30 | programmerq | I wouldn't say that a designated political pep rally is necessarily a polite public space |
| 21:44.41 | aeryndunham | true |
| 21:44.46 | aeryndunham | At least it'll be over soon |
| 21:45.02 | frostyfrog | Yes, that is a plus. |
| 21:45.37 | aeryndunham | And then the passengers will still be mean, but at least it |
| 21:45.43 | aeryndunham | will be different mean |
| 21:46.09 | programmerq | somewhat relevant, even though I posted it in here today already: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkJR2LEihQY |
| 21:46.10 | aeryndunham | (there are lots of nice people that come on cruises, they just don't tend to come in here to talk to me) |
| 21:46.14 | TodPunk | Let them have their political opinions, group or otherwise. Pay it no mind. Comraderie is good unless they're rioting or something. |
| 21:46.52 | programmerq | we should totally pay for that |
| 21:48.30 | TodPunk | as long as Canada apologized I'm ok with this plan |
| 21:58.06 | Migs | they'll apologize the entire time they're building it |
| 21:58.15 | aeryndunham | we let passenger print for free and this lady just got all offended that I asked her to print her 50 page document double-sided |
| 21:59.27 | aeryndunham | That seems like a reasonable request to me |
| 22:09.09 | frostyfrog | It does. |
| 22:09.27 | frostyfrog | If anything, it makes it easier to read because it's just like reading a book. |
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| 22:53.16 | SunSparc | We live in an entitled age. |
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| 23:17.28 | aeryndunham | deep breaths. Two more hours. |
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| 23:35.18 | levi | Whee, phone surveys. |
| 23:37.48 | aeryndunham | did you actually participate? |
| 23:40.49 | levi | Yeah. |
| 23:41.52 | levi | My views are outside the norm enough here that I figured I'd let them be recorded. |
| 23:48.47 | aeryndunham | haha |
| 23:48.56 | levi | There were sure a lot of questions about Orrin Hatch. |
| 23:49.07 | aeryndunham | I don't even think I know who that is? |
| 23:49.12 | aeryndunham | I feel like I've heard the name though |
| 23:49.14 | aeryndunham | is ashamed |
| 23:52.37 | levi | He's one of the Senators from Utah, and currently President pro tempore of the Senate. Been in office nearly 40 years. |
| 23:53.40 | spangborn | Which is funny, considering what he campaigned on initially |
| 23:53.45 | spangborn | "16 years is too long" |
| 23:53.54 | levi | Yeah, no kidding. |
| 23:54.43 | levi | One of the questions was whether he ought to run again even though he promised not to because his powerful position was needed. |
| 23:56.14 | levi | I think I had to say no to that 3 or 4 different times in different ways. |
| 23:57.54 | aeryndunham | ahhh right |
| 23:58.00 | aeryndunham | Sorry, I lived in Utah only briefly, I |
| 23:58.04 | aeryndunham | am a channel imposter :p |
| 23:59.10 | levi | No problem. Utah politics are not particularly interesting most of the time. :/ |