IRC log for #utah on 20160928

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00:06.14klys~slashdot
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12:36.26eightyeightsome basic /dev/urandom testing between linux kernel 4.7 (SHA-1) and 4.8 (ChaCha20): https://ae7.st/p/9v8
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13:17.38Migshttp://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-37493194
13:17.47MigsA desperate search is under way for an endangered African penguin "freed" by activists who may have unwittingly sent the bird to his death. Buddy was stolen from a South African marine park by two students who claim it was a demonstration against animals being kept in captivity. But Buddy was born in the park, and has no idea how to survive in the wild.
13:17.52MigsBuddy was part of a breeding pair, and was looking after his two new chicks with mate Francis when he was stolen.
13:17.53Migsgood job, idiots
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17:10.06youtahInteresting
17:10.22youtahSo there are Refridgerators and freezers that are coming out now
17:10.27youtahwith USB ports INSIDE of them
17:10.34youtahso you can plug your phone in to charge
17:10.58youtahThis is one theory as to why http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/06/25/why-snowdens-visitors-put-their-phones-in-the-fridge/
17:11.16youtahFound it via https://twitter.com/shrekpissslave/status/781167424934703104
17:11.22RyanEunsure if paranoids are a big enough market to cause it to go mainstream.
17:11.41youtahI am going to have to try calling my wife's phone while it's in the fridge now to see if it blocks the 4G all together
17:11.50youtahor perhaps, you still get the data, it just muffles the sound
17:12.02youtahso if they hack your phone, they cannot evesdrop
17:12.27youtah"They" being the ambiguous "they"
17:13.38youtahSeems strange... as I suspect the terminals could easily Ice up
17:14.34RyanEyour fridge may be set a bit too cold.
17:14.35RyanE:)
17:14.45youtahThat's in his freezer
17:14.49youtahnot his Fridge
17:14.53RyanEyeah, I got that.  I was just being snarky
17:15.03youtahthrows nachos at Ray
17:15.06youtahthrows nachos at RyanE
17:15.10youtahlol
17:15.12youtahsorry Ray
17:15.59RyanEour work is bringing in nachos today from 1-3.
17:16.06youtahB.S.
17:16.11youtahPics or it didn't happen
17:16.11RyanEtrue story.
17:16.22youtahyou know what's better than pics?
17:16.24youtahwitnesses
17:16.26RyanEthey've never done that before.  Bagel Friday every other week.
17:16.31youtahI am willing to be a witness
17:16.51RyanEyou can have mine.  I'm off sugar and anything that turns immediately into sugar in my body.
17:17.01RyanEI could probably drink the cheese sauce.  :)
17:17.10youtahThe chips dont have sugar
17:17.15youtahjust have the cheese and the chips
17:17.19youtahskip the addons
17:17.45RyanEcorn meal (and other carbs) basically are immediately digested into sugars.
17:17.59RyanEand spike insulin, sometimes more than sugar.
17:18.14RyanEbut this isn't #LCHF or #Atkins...  :)
17:19.18youtahThis is all I've got
17:19.18youtahhttp://i.imgur.com/bch1lTS.gifv
17:20.05RyanEdig the googly eyes
17:39.24manithreeSnowden would probably love the aluminum-sided faraday cage that is my home.
18:08.13spangborn~brave--
18:08.19programmerqin the movie, he used the microwave
18:08.39spangbornTo upgrade his iPhone 6 to an iPhone 7?
18:14.56SunSparcupgrades spangborn into an iPhone 7...
19:29.34youtahspangborn, have you seen the neat hack with the iphone 7?
19:30.02youtahhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tqH-Un9SFU
19:40.29TodPunkI thought people would enjoy that I just got asked, legitimately, by my neighbor if they could download more RAM, via the famous site.
19:40.52SunSparcI hope you answered in the affirmative.
19:41.17youtahI <3 this
19:41.24youtahTodPunk, you kind of... can
19:41.42youtahzRam is kind of cool
19:41.47SunSparcGive them a link to a known Russian spyware site.
19:42.05youtahor Donald Trumps website
19:42.06youtahlol
19:42.30youtahdont worry, all the anger will comb over eventually
19:42.31eightyeight~brave++
19:42.32eightyeightheh
19:42.34eightyeighthah
19:42.34TodPunkyoutah: he definitely doesn't run linux
19:42.36eightyeight:)?
19:42.36TodPunk?
19:42.37youtahlol
19:42.38eightyeight:)
19:42.40eightyeight?
19:42.49eightyeightgets excited
19:42.55youtahlol
19:43.05youtahbecause we were talking about Linux?
19:43.12youtahor because I mentioned zRam?
19:43.23eightyeightneither
19:43.25youtahor because TodPunk's neighbor was trying to download more memory
19:43.34eightyeightzram is interesting. i think zswap is superior though
19:43.34TodPunkzram
19:43.46TodPunkboth are stupid
19:43.54eightyeightpfft
19:43.55TodPunkjust solve the problem
19:44.03eightyeightdownload more ram?
19:44.04TodPunkget more ram or adjust your process requirements
19:44.39eightyeightcompression is cheap. and a by product is increased throughput, because less registers/disk (if swapped) to access
19:46.25TodPunkI can not believe that it is a performance win in the general case
19:46.27TodPunkthroughput, sure
19:46.30TodPunkbut at a cost
19:46.51eightyeightwhat cost?
19:47.18TodPunkperhaps if you have enough CPU cache of the appropriate type decompressing it into there as another step isn't /too/ bad, but again, general case I can't believe so
19:47.48TodPunkif it's small enough to fit in there in the first place
19:48.16TodPunkunless I'm somehow missing how compression works because of some magic about RAM?
19:48.27eightyeighti'm not sure i'm following
19:48.43eightyeightzswap is only compressed swapped pages, yes?
19:49.08TodPunkdunno about zswap specifically
19:49.12eightyeightwhich is (typically) stored on disk. platter or NAND
19:49.22TodPunkbut even then, zswap should only matter if you've already got a huge problem
19:49.26eightyeightin the case of platter, less seeks need to be done to access the data
19:49.36TodPunkit just makes a terrible setup somewhat less problematic
19:49.40eightyeightthus, reading the compressed swapped page off disk is substantially improved
19:49.57TodPunk(I agree that the disk is a huge bottleneck in the throughput, so this is a win if you have to go to disk in the first place)
19:49.59eightyeightin the case of the SSD NAND, the write cycles are minimized, extending the life of the SSD
19:50.23eightyeightand modern CPUs can run marathons on compression, without breaking a sweat
19:50.57SunSparcinfobot: compress eightyeight
19:50.57infobotACTION drops an anvil on eightyeight's head
19:51.00eightyeightand unlike zram, you don't need to setup separate block devices
19:51.11eightyeighteverything is transparent in vmalloc
19:52.02eightyeighti don't disagree about upgrading the RAM install, but sometimes that always isn't possible
19:52.25eightyeights/(always) (isn't)/\2 \1/
19:52.53jfindlayeightyeight: did you get your grain issue figured?
19:53.11eightyeightyeah. it's not grains. it's a bug with 2016.3 that was fixed later
19:53.26eightyeightbut, now i'm running into where my 2016.3 master can't talk to the git checkout minion
19:53.45jfindlay2016.3.3?
19:53.55eightyeightwhatever the latest is in the saltstack repo
19:54.00jfindlayyes
19:54.27jfindlaydo you have stale keys?
19:54.30eightyeighti found another work around (which i'm not happy with), but it'll work until the next stable release drops
19:54.35eightyeightno
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20:11.52SunSparcBest Korean food in Provo... fight!
20:12.37jfindlayit's at a fight club?
20:12.48jfindlayor it's a food fight?
20:12.49SunSparc:)
20:12.59SunSparcYour mom is at a fight club.
20:13.07RyanEYour mom *is* a fight club.
20:13.12SunSparclol
20:13.26RyanEFirst rule of your mom is we don't talk about your mom.
20:14.16SunSparcinfobot: fight RyanE
20:14.16infobotACTION laughs as RyanE reboots 45.56.57.85 sending sunsparc into the aether
20:14.32SunSparc:D
20:19.20jfindlay~literal cmd fight (.*?)
20:19.37jfindlay~literal cmd: fight (.*?)
20:19.37infobot"cmd: fight (.*?)" is "($1): <action> laughs as $1 reboots $host sending $who into the aether"
20:28.00SunSparc~foo
20:28.01infoboti heard foo is bar
20:28.09SunSparc~recursion
20:28.09infobotTo understand recursion, you must first understand recursion. see ~recursion
20:29.46fungus~bar
20:29.46infobotbar is probably baz or a friend of foo
20:31.17SunSparc~baz
20:31.17infobothmm... baz is a GNU Arch compatible RCS/SCM/VCS.
20:31.41jfindlay~hack
20:31.41infobotwell, hack is 1. n. Originally, a quick job that produces what is needed, but not well. 2. n. An incredibly good, and perhaps very time-consuming, piece of work that produces exactly what is needed. 3. vt. To bear emotionally or physically. "I can't hack this heat!" 4. vt. To work on something (typically a program). In an immediate sense "What are you doing?" "I'm hacking TECO." In a general (time-extended) sense "What do you do around here?" "I hack ...
20:32.10SunSparcWhat the hack?
20:32.18manithreeOh my hack!
20:33.31jfindlayinfobot: hack $n is <reply>: trains an internet of botthings at $n@$host
20:33.31infobotACTION teaches $n is <reply>: trains an internet of botthings at $n@$host nethack so that $n is <reply>: trains an internet of botthings at $n@$host will play until 6 AM
20:33.34jfindlayhm
20:33.42jfindlay~hack eightyeight
20:33.43infobotACTION teaches eightyeight nethack so that eightyeight will play until 6 AM
20:34.04eightyeighti haven't played nethack in ages
20:34.19eightyeighti guess it could be nostalgic pulling it up again
20:34.22SunSparcah nethack...
20:34.42jfindlayinfobot: no hack $n is <action>: (trains an internet of botthings at $n@$host|makes $n play nethack all night)
20:34.42infobotjfindlay: okay
20:34.44SunSparcNever got passed level 4 or 5...
20:34.46jfindlay~hack eightyeight
20:34.46infobotACTION : trains an internet of botthings at eightyeight@159.203.239.211
20:37.29spangbornInfobot leaking IPs now, heh
20:37.34spangborn~hack spangborn
20:37.34infobotACTION : trains an internet of botthings at spangborn@216.51.232.249
20:37.55spangborn~whois spangborn
20:38.00eightyeightinfobot: no hack $n is <action> (trains an internet of botthings at $n@$host|makes $n play nethack all night)
20:38.00infobotokay, eightyeight
20:38.06eightyeight~hack jfindlay
20:38.06infobotACTION makes jfindlay play nethack all night
20:38.11SunSparclol
20:38.40spangborn~hack youtah
20:38.40infobotACTION makes youtah play nethack all night
20:39.45youtahruns a trace route on spangborn's IP address up using a GUI written in visual basic
20:41.14SunSparc~youtah
20:41.15infobotMmmm Bacon
20:43.23spangborn~hack youtah
20:43.23infobotACTION makes youtah play nethack all night
20:43.35spangborn~hack youtah
20:43.35infobotACTION makes youtah play nethack all night
20:43.39spangbornHaha.
20:43.47spangbornScrew you, probability
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20:44.08SunSparc:)
20:44.17jfindlay~random
20:44.26jfindlayno way
20:44.43SunSparcyes way, Ted
20:56.15youtahany of you guys play minecraft for pc?
20:56.27SunSparcNo, only on Mac.
20:56.34youtahthat
20:56.38youtahthat's a PC
20:56.41SunSparc:)
20:56.55SunSparcA pocket computer?
20:57.09SunSparcA plastic computer/
20:57.22SunSparcA pickled cucumber?
20:57.40SunSparc~etc
20:57.41infoboti guess etc is something marginally brain-dead people say when they know their statement is incomplete, but they can't figure out how to complete it or /etc, the directory that contains all the config files
20:57.49SunSparcyoutah: What's up?
20:57.56youtahOh
20:58.05youtahI setup a minecraft server (finally) for my kiddos
20:58.11youtahand for my kids friends to jump on as well
20:58.18SunSparcFun!
20:58.41SunSparcI did that for a long while, and then finally just bought a Realm.
20:58.59eightyeighti just installed nethack. for the first time in a good decade, if not more.
20:59.02eightyeight~blame jfindlay
20:59.02infobotACTION blames jfindlay (and Canada) for all the evil in the world
20:59.13SunSparceightyeight: There goes your day!
20:59.31jfindlaylol
20:59.41SunSparcOf course, you can just telnet to the online nethack servers and never need to install it locally.
20:59.54jfindlayeightyeight: have you tried Andor's Trail?
21:00.32eightyeightno
21:00.41programmerqtelnet nethack4.org
21:01.15SunSparcSee also, #nethack
21:01.25programmerqand #nethack4 :)
21:01.28programmerqI really like that fork
21:02.07programmerqit tries to preserve game balance and mechanics, but improves the player experience a bit. it draws utf8 nicely, and will remember which tool you want to use to unlock doors
21:02.10programmerqlittle nice things like that
21:02.32programmerqin fact, when the devteam came back, I believe they took a bunch of patches from nethack4
21:02.45eightyeightinteresting
21:03.10eightyeighti don't see it as a package in debian sid
21:03.41programmerqI pretty much always play it on their server
21:04.47SunSparcHoly tonne of nosql databases!!! http://nosql-database.org/
21:10.10SunSparcyoutah: Do you play Minecraft?
21:11.54SunSparcenjoys playing Minecraft with his kids and siblings.
21:15.29jfindlayhe plays yourcraft
21:19.15SunSparc"Meinkraft" by A. Hitler - "An autobiography of the leader of the known world, his epic fight against zombies, and his pursuit of Creeper genocide..."
21:22.22SunSparchttp://www.chamsko.pl/demot/0_0_1607642924_Mein_Kraft_przez_iksu84_middle.jpg
21:24.35spangborn~hack youtah
21:24.35infobotACTION makes youtah play nethack all night
21:25.01spangborn~hack spangborn
21:25.01infobotACTION trains an internet of botthings at spangborn@216.51.232.249
21:25.05spangbornPfffff
21:26.10SunSparc:)
21:45.33*** join/#utah youtah (~Jeff@50-243-6-92-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net)
21:45.38youtah~nachos
21:45.38infobotschweet.
21:46.14spangborn~hack youtah
21:46.14infobotACTION makes youtah play nethack all night
21:46.20spangbornDOH
21:46.37spangbornDoes your work Comcast make you sad, youtah?
21:49.26youtahSi
21:49.56youtahSunSparc, what's the idea between channels and exchanges in rabbitmq
22:04.45SunSparcyoutah: Channels are "lightweight connections that share a single TCP connection". Whereas exchanges are clearinghouses, similar to a post office.
22:05.06SunSparcYou can have multiple channels in a connection.
22:05.32SunSparcExchanges accept messages and then distribute those out to queues.
22:06.00youtahgotchya
22:06.12youtah~SunSparc++
22:06.15youtahgracias senior
22:06.18SunSparc~woot
22:06.18infobot\o/
22:07.27eightyeightheh
22:07.29eightyeighthah
22:07.31eightyeight:)
22:07.33eightyeight?
22:07.36youtahlol
22:07.41eightyeight~brave++
22:08.17youtah*missing sock joke* http://i.imgur.com/8fX2Beq.jpg
22:08.44SunSparchaha
22:08.58eightyeightthe dryer ate my homework
22:09.18youtahit's the portal that the missing sock gnome uses to travel
22:09.25SunSparc... after I threw a match in with it...
22:10.07*** join/#utah aarobc (~aarobc@216.51.32.182)
22:10.26SunSparcSocks know how to open transdimensional portals using em signals from within the dryer.
22:31.45SunSparclaters!
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23:05.22shalkienethack!
23:05.37shalkie~attack youtah
23:05.37infobotACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing youtah
23:05.45aeryndunhamlol
23:06.57shalkie~apologize youtah
23:07.08shalkieHuh, you think infobot could apologize too.
23:07.24jfindlay~hack shalkie
23:07.24infobotACTION trains an internet of botthings at shalkie@159.203.239.211

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