| 02:33.13 | *** join/#utah voldemortensen (~Adium@98.202.131.37) |
| 03:48.43 | *** join/#utah bad_surfer (~bad_surfe@72.12.245.130) |
| 03:55.32 | *** part/#utah bad_surfer (~bad_surfe@72.12.245.130) |
| 06:59.43 | *** join/#utah voldemortensen (~Adium@98.202.131.37) |
| 07:28.06 | *** join/#utah bad_surfer (~bad_surfe@72.12.245.130) |
| 07:46.02 | *** part/#utah bad_surfer (~bad_surfe@72.12.245.130) |
| 08:03.00 | *** join/#utah voldemortensen (~Adium@98.202.131.37) |
| 09:46.25 | eightyeight | spangborn: https://ae7.st/p/1bj |
| 09:47.24 | eightyeight | er, copypasta strikes again! |
| 09:47.26 | eightyeight | https://ae7.st/p/8f5 |
| 09:50.17 | eightyeight | goes to bed |
| 09:51.20 | eightyeight | actually, i think the output should be JSON, so it can be machine parseable also |
| 09:51.47 | eightyeight | but, beta |
| 09:51.50 | eightyeight | & |
| 11:39.50 | *** join/#utah RuShan (~RuShan@2600:100e:b13a:7596:c67a:bc2f:3bce:e812) |
| 13:10.47 | *** join/#utah voldemortensen (~Adium@98.202.131.37) |
| 13:46.35 | *** join/#utah bitbandit (~bitbandit@50-198-187-221-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 14:27.29 | *** join/#utah jima (jima@fedora/jima) |
| 14:45.41 | jlp_znc | http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/12/12885574/optical-illusion-12-black-dots |
| 14:58.30 | jfindlay | ~napoleon |
| 14:58.38 | infobot | It's a liger, bred for its skills in magic. |
| 14:59.03 | jfindlay | eightyeight: you're just prejudiced against xml |
| 14:59.55 | eightyeight | Well, seeing as though it's JavaScript i'm working with, it seems like JSON is a natural fit. |
| 15:00.11 | eightyeight | But yes, i'm prejudiced against XML |
| 15:00.14 | jlp_znc | json ftw! |
| 15:00.16 | jlp_znc | ~json |
| 15:00.23 | jlp_znc | :-( |
| 15:01.17 | jlp_znc | ~json eightyeight |
| 15:01.18 | infobot | ACTION wraps eightyeight in a confusing nest of parentheses, braces, and brackets |
| 15:02.30 | manithree | is nostalgic for the political incorrectness of the 80s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_61hzuGGJX0 |
| 15:07.46 | manithree | Is PRI trying to be funny with lines like "Surprisingly, the cost of health insurance has gone up since the ACA went into effect" |
| 15:09.33 | manithree | Or, maybe that was from NPR |
| 15:13.09 | eightyeight | Since 2010, health insurance deductibles have risen 7x faster than wages, and inflation |
| 15:14.22 | manithree | eightyeight: That's not necessarily a bad thing. They were specifically referring to premiums |
| 15:14.30 | eightyeight | Compared from 1995-2008, where they only rose 3x |
| 15:14.55 | eightyeight | s/deductibles/premiums/ |
| 15:15.21 | eightyeight | http://kff.org/health-costs/press-release/employer-family-health-premiums-rise-4-percent-to-17545-in-2015-extending-a-decade-long-trend-of-relatively-moderate-increases/ |
| 15:16.09 | TodPunk | In 2008 I paid $265 for a family of 5 for better coverage than I can physically get today. |
| 15:16.13 | jlp_znc | well, the CEOs of health insurance companies have to make their exhorbitant salaries, too, don't they? they have to eat, after all. |
| 15:16.41 | eightyeight | Them, and pharmaceutical execs |
| 15:16.50 | TodPunk | Currently premiums are about $1400 for crappy coverage on the plans my employer offers |
| 15:17.38 | TodPunk | Insulin for a month for a diabetic would be paid for 5 times on the difference in my premiums alone. |
| 15:17.49 | jlp_znc | I mean, take Anthem, for example (Anthem was the health care company for LinkedIn). their CEO makes a paltry $13.5 million. how can he be expected to live on such a paltry sum? |
| 15:18.05 | TodPunk | jlp_znc: sacrifices must be made |
| 15:18.21 | TodPunk | probably why anthem pulled out of the markets in most states |
| 15:18.51 | jlp_znc | even UnitedHealth group's CEO only makes $14.9 million a year. I don't understand how we can expect these executives to survive on such tiny salaries. |
| 15:19.17 | TodPunk | no other industry would take such salaries seriously |
| 15:19.22 | jlp_znc | and don't get me started on the pharmeceutical companies |
| 15:19.26 | eightyeight | Currently, American privatized healthcare sucks. Yeah, the ACA isn't great either. But jeez |
| 15:20.00 | TodPunk | I think the point is that the ACA unilaterally made things worse |
| 15:20.01 | jlp_znc | I mean, Lamberto Andreotti, CEO of Bristol-Myers Squibb, only made $27.1 million last year. sheesh. that's a poor salary for a college football coach. |
| 15:20.19 | TodPunk | I'm all for solving the issues, mind |
| 15:20.51 | TodPunk | but if the only thing we can point to the ACA "improving" is covering "uninsurable" people, I have bad news for you: state guaranteed insurance was always a thing before the ACA, and it was cheaper. By far. |
| 15:21.32 | jlp_znc | (actually, college football coaches typically make less than $10 million) |
| 15:22.00 | manithree | I actually laughed when I heard them say that |
| 15:22.03 | jlp_znc | the problem wasn't covering the poor, it was covering the uninsurable. |
| 15:22.28 | jlp_znc | for example, when I was unemployed back in 2001-ish, I looked into getting private insurance. |
| 15:22.34 | TodPunk | which, again, wasn't actually a problem, people just didn't know what the hell they were talking about |
| 15:22.40 | manithree | Did anybody actually believe ACA would bring premiums down? |
| 15:22.42 | jlp_znc | I talked to IHC, BCBS, and a couple of others. |
| 15:23.05 | jlp_znc | since my wife had taken Clomid (a hormonal drug) back in the mid 90s, none of them would insure her. |
| 15:23.14 | jlp_znc | they just said "no, sorry, we will not sell you insurance." |
| 15:23.14 | TodPunk | no insurance salesman knew what they were talking about either, mind you, because being an insurance salesman doesn't actually require being capable of anything |
| 15:24.00 | jlp_znc | it didn't matter to them that she hadn't take it in eight years. "oh, she once took Clomid? sorry, we can't cover her." |
| 15:24.10 | TodPunk | mhmmm |
| 15:24.23 | jlp_znc | not to mention the whole "pre-existing condition" thing. |
| 15:24.28 | TodPunk | so you either get an employer with a group plan, or you get state guaranteed insurance |
| 15:24.42 | TodPunk | or co-op insurance plans |
| 15:24.48 | TodPunk | which now aren't available |
| 15:25.12 | jlp_znc | once, back in 89 or so, I was in the process of changing jobs. my wife was pregnant at the time. that's a "pre-existing condition". I had to pay COBRA for six months to keep her on the old insurance because the new insurance (Deseret Mutual) refused to cover the pregnancy. |
| 15:26.11 | TodPunk | Don't know what the law was in 89, but in 2004 that wouldn't have worked |
| 15:26.15 | BloodyThorn | Howdy! Someone's talking in here! |
| 15:26.16 | jlp_znc | then, after the baby was born, they balked over us getting on the insurance then because it wasn't "open enrollment" time. finally got it approved to get on because of a "life changing event" (the birth) |
| 15:26.35 | manithree | jlp_znc: That's an understatement |
| 15:26.47 | eightyeight | oh, the pre-existing law has been fantastic for my wife |
| 15:26.54 | eightyeight | who has epilepsy |
| 15:27.16 | eightyeight | every time we switched insurance, we had to provide prior proof of coverage from the previous insurer |
| 15:27.33 | eightyeight | until then, we couldn't get her anti-seizure medication |
| 15:27.34 | jlp_znc | and heaven forbid if you ever went more than 60 days without coverage. |
| 15:27.59 | eightyeight | which means she can't drive. which becomes problematic getting our daughter to/from school |
| 15:28.12 | eightyeight | so yeah, non-coverage was disasterous |
| 15:28.21 | eightyeight | and the insurance company always dragged their feet |
| 15:28.22 | jlp_znc | "oh, you had insurance before? that's great. oh, wait, it's been more than 60 days? sorry. that's a 'pre-existing condition'." |
| 15:28.28 | TodPunk | It's so nice that these problems are solved now, with a paltry $800 a month addition for saving the trouble of having to read a book |
| 15:28.35 | TodPunk | oh wait... |
| 15:28.51 | eightyeight | so i'm grateful for the ACA for removing that headache |
| 15:29.16 | TodPunk | I'm glad you have the luxury of paying $800/month for a headache |
| 15:29.48 | TodPunk | You could have paid half that for an agent to handle it for you |
| 15:29.48 | manithree | Not saying that NOBODY benefits from it, but it was never designed to lower premiums |
| 15:30.02 | TodPunk | manithree: nobody has claimed it was? |
| 15:30.39 | manithree | Claims were made, but by people who knew better |
| 15:30.55 | TodPunk | I don't think it was designed to increase them 8x. I believe it was explicitly stated that increasing wasn't suppose to happen, by Obama. |
| 15:31.07 | TodPunk | lowering them seems like it would be a stupid outcome |
| 15:31.32 | eightyeight | i don't recall lowering premiums as part of the argument when it was on the table |
| 15:31.36 | TodPunk | Regardless, my point is that it didn't solve a damn thing, it just made things more expensive so stupid people didn't have to learn anything |
| 15:31.48 | eightyeight | i do recall being able to stick with your current coverage, or switching, whichever worked best for you |
| 15:32.07 | TodPunk | also not a reality |
| 15:32.19 | eightyeight | indeed. that turned out to be B.S. |
| 15:32.21 | manithree | Something about "saving the average family $2500/year" |
| 15:32.46 | TodPunk | that claim was likely (depending on the source) about out of pocket expenses overall |
| 15:32.48 | eightyeight | the sooner we can get to single payer... |
| 15:32.53 | TodPunk | which would have also been stupid |
| 15:33.03 | manithree | If you think it's expensive now, wait until it's free |
| 15:33.16 | eightyeight | i lived under single payer. it's amazing. |
| 15:33.26 | manithree | So have I, and it sucked |
| 15:33.43 | eightyeight | where? |
| 15:33.46 | manithree | Japan |
| 15:33.54 | eightyeight | ontario, canada |
| 15:33.58 | TodPunk | manithree: ignore the fact that I don't have to write a check for the expense, as long as it's hidden in the paycheck I don't read and refuse to grow up enough to understand, it's "cheaper" |
| 15:35.03 | TodPunk | Inane people vote, so you have to pander to them, but I wish we wouldn't set policy by their whining |
| 15:37.46 | *** part/#utah BloodyThorn (~thorn@c-76-27-46-75.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 16:52.19 | jlp_znc | so, Chevy Bolt EV hits 238 miles range. that's actually starting to sound useful. |
| 16:52.49 | jlp_znc | with that kind of range, you could do a day trip to, say, Logan and back without having to worry about charging while on the road. |
| 16:52.55 | eightyeight | what's the mileage on the tesla? |
| 16:53.10 | jlp_znc | no idea, but I suspect the Bolt is much cheaper than the Tesla :-) |
| 16:53.21 | eightyeight | well, of course. just curious. |
| 16:53.22 | manithree | About the same price as the alleged Tesla S |
| 16:54.16 | jlp_znc | Bolt beats the Tesla 3 on range |
| 16:54.57 | jlp_znc | Model S gets 208 miels (for variant 60) up to 270 miles (for 85D) |
| 16:55.02 | jlp_znc | s/miels/miles/ |
| 16:55.38 | eightyeight | http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/09/13/chevrolet-bolt-tesla-model-3-miles-per-charge-range/90275486/ |
| 16:55.39 | manithree | jlp_znc: allegedly |
| 16:55.55 | jlp_znc | sure, the real world has nothing to do with EPA ratings. |
| 16:56.03 | jlp_znc | they're like MIPS. |
| 16:56.09 | manithree | The S won't be out until next year. Maybe |
| 16:56.16 | jlp_znc | (remember MIPS? meaningless indicator of processor speed) |
| 16:56.27 | eightyeight | "RISC is good" |
| 16:56.49 | jlp_znc | I actually really liked the MIPS processors and RISC/os |
| 16:57.08 | jlp_znc | I ported ircd to RISC/os back in 1990 or so. |
| 16:58.42 | eightyeight | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPrUmViN_5c |
| 17:01.08 | jlp_znc | it actually physically hurts to watch stuff like that |
| 17:01.24 | jlp_znc | "it has a P6 chip" followed by "RISC is good"? |
| 17:01.28 | eightyeight | you must not have a PCI bus |
| 17:01.39 | jlp_znc | well, I wouldn't know. :-) |
| 17:01.52 | jlp_znc | I try to stick with the UTA bus, myself. |
| 17:02.43 | jlp_znc | the first computer I owned had a P5 in it I think. |
| 17:03.21 | jlp_znc | it was 1996 or so. computer was made by Micron. |
| 17:03.40 | jlp_znc | I'd had computers in the house before that, of course, but they were owned by my employer. |
| 17:03.53 | jlp_znc | (AT&T 7300, for example) |
| 17:04.19 | jlp_znc | prior to that, I had a terminal at home, but no computer. why would I need a computer when I could dial into one any time I wanted to? |
| 17:04.48 | programmerq | I kind of wish I had a terminal |
| 17:05.12 | jlp_znc | I have a Wyse something or other (I think it's a 75) sitting in my garage if you really want one. |
| 17:05.13 | programmerq | more of something to put behind glass and be a conversation starter |
| 17:05.53 | jlp_znc | I finally tossed my old heathkit H29 (it didn't work any more... probably could have fixed it if I still had the old manuals) |
| 17:05.55 | programmerq | jlp_znc: that'd be super neat. does it have any burn-in? |
| 17:06.15 | jlp_znc | it's brand new. still in the styrofoam (although I don't know what happened to the box) |
| 17:06.20 | programmerq | oh wow |
| 17:06.26 | programmerq | yeah, that'd be cool. |
| 17:06.54 | jlp_znc | I don't even know if it's green screen or amber. |
| 17:44.42 | *** join/#utah aeryndunham (~aeryndunh@151.124.225.52) |
| 18:13.30 | levi1 | I used to have an amber-screen VT220. Got it from a surplus sale or something on an Army base my dad was stationed at. |
| 18:14.40 | jlp_znc | VT220 was a great terminal. a real beast. |
| 18:15.18 | jlp_znc | I used to have a C-itoh terminal on my desk that was a VT100 clone... but it had COLOR! |
| 18:15.26 | programmerq | jlp_znc: I can swing by and pick it up later this week. probably friday or saturday |
| 18:15.30 | jlp_znc | (like ansi color) |
| 18:16.08 | jlp_znc | okay, it's just cluttering up my garage at the moment. let me double check that I know where it is tonight. |
| 18:38.25 | jfindlay | with a little effort you can get it cluttering someone else's garage |
| 18:43.57 | jlp_znc | exactly! |
| 18:45.33 | jlp_znc | apparently they are selling refurbished ones for $199! |
| 19:19.25 | *** join/#utah fadein (~Erik@c-67-169-242-216.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 19:19.25 | *** join/#utah JPaul (~JPaul@2604:a880:800:10::16e:c001) |
| 19:19.25 | *** join/#utah romanovic (~romanovic@puritynine.com) |
| 19:19.39 | *** join/#utah RuShan (~RuShan@2600:100e:b13a:7596:c67a:bc2f:3bce:e812) |
| 19:19.39 | *** join/#utah shalkie (shalkie@theadamsresidence.net) |
| 19:19.39 | *** join/#utah asoc (~pi@71-35-238-203.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 19:19.39 | *** join/#utah harleypig (sid15959@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tfkhqgrxxodnwiiw) |
| 19:19.39 | *** join/#utah gnord (~gog@unaffiliated/snowghost) |
| 19:19.39 | *** join/#utah jlp_znc (jlp@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:febb:7610) |
| 19:19.39 | *** join/#utah hamnox (~hamnox@2607:fcd0:daaa:1400:f::7) |
| 19:19.39 | *** join/#utah eightyeight (~eightyeig@oalug/member/eightyeight) |
| 19:19.39 | *** join/#utah trent__ (~tcameron@192.34.60.42) |
| 19:19.39 | *** mode/#utah [+v eightyeight] by tepper.freenode.net |
| 19:25.48 | *** join/#utah infobot (ibot@rikers.org) |
| 19:25.48 | *** topic/#utah is Utah related discussion including user groups | logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | See also ##lds |
| 19:25.49 | *** mode/#utah [+o infobot] by ChanServ |
| 19:28.57 | *** join/#utah jima (jima@fedora/jima) |
| 19:33.50 | *** join/#utah programmerq (~jefferya@unaffiliated/programmerq) |
| 19:35.06 | *** join/#utah _hanhart (~hanhart@static.141.80.201.138.clients.your-server.de) |
| 19:38.02 | *** join/#utah TodPunk (~quassel@68.169.47.218) |
| 20:02.32 | *** join/#utah harleypig (sid15959@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dxmbhgligalsejto) |
| 20:04.03 | *** join/#utah jcp (sid143528@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539) |
| 20:05.21 | *** join/#utah yukaia (sid110254@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uastgyvcathvexkn) |
| 20:08.33 | *** join/#utah aeryndunham (~aeryndunh@151.124.225.52) |
| 20:23.42 | *** join/#utah Migs (~migs@205.122.50.108) |
| 21:28.11 | *** join/#utah programmerq (~jefferya@unaffiliated/programmerq) |
| 21:38.56 | *** join/#utah mindjuju (sid66062@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qaseiscjovhssyea) |
| 21:47.46 | *** join/#utah youtah (~Jeff@63.228.192.221) |
| 22:06.15 | TodPunk | ~karma youtah |
| 22:06.15 | infobot | youtah has karma of -22 |
| 22:06.20 | TodPunk | ~youtah++ |
| 22:06.24 | youtah | ah thanks! |
| 22:06.25 | TodPunk | ~brave-- |
| 22:06.57 | jfindlay | ~youtah karma |
| 22:07.21 | youtah | ~youtah |
| 22:07.21 | infobot | Mmmm Bacon |
| 22:07.27 | youtah | ~bacon youtah |
| 22:07.28 | infobot | ACTION goes Footloose on youtah, even though its illegal |
| 22:07.31 | youtah | lol |
| 22:07.41 | youtah | OMG I am in Lehi Too! |
| 22:08.49 | jfindlay | I'm sure Lehi condoned dancing |
| 22:09.04 | TodPunk | ~youtah++ |
| 22:09.06 | TodPunk | ~brave-- |
| 22:09.34 | youtah | ~brave-- |
| 22:10.24 | youtah | ~nachos++ |
| 22:10.28 | youtah | ~karma nachos |
| 22:10.28 | infobot | nachos has karma of 10 |
| 22:10.31 | eightyeight | ~brave++ |
| 22:10.32 | youtah | Mmmmm |
| 22:10.34 | youtah | lol eightyeight |
| 22:10.36 | eightyeight | ~nachos-- |
| 22:10.40 | youtah | ~bacon++ |
| 22:10.43 | youtah | ~karma bacon |
| 22:10.43 | infobot | bacon has karma of 34 |
| 22:11.13 | TodPunk | of course it does |
| 22:11.27 | eightyeight | ~bacon++ |
| 22:14.23 | shalkie | Youtah! |
| 22:14.33 | youtah | shalkie! |
| 22:14.35 | youtah | I am alive! |
| 22:14.41 | TodPunk | ~youtah++ |
| 22:14.42 | shalkie | youtah++ |
| 22:14.51 | TodPunk | gotta prepend them tildes |
| 22:15.01 | shalkie | D'oh! |
| 22:15.01 | youtah | ~bacon++ |
| 22:15.06 | shalkie | ~youtah++ |
| 22:15.09 | youtah | ^ Making Bacon Great Again |
| 22:15.17 | youtah | Ah thanks shalkie and TodPunk |
| 22:15.18 | shalkie | I've been gone so long I forgot. :( |
| 22:16.09 | shalkie | I had Pulled BBQ pork on top of Nachoes over the weekend. It was mmm mmm good. :D |
| 22:16.19 | youtah | I had |
| 22:16.20 | youtah | um |
| 22:16.22 | youtah | little smokies |
| 22:16.47 | youtah | that were heated up in a approcot/pineapples preserves with hickory smoke bbq sauce |
| 22:17.38 | shalkie | I had two different peach cobblers cooked in Dutch Ovens served with Vanilla Ice Cream. They were kinda smokey. :) |
| 22:17.54 | youtah | hmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmm |
| 22:30.22 | TodPunk | youtah has really dumb friends on facebook |
| 22:30.38 | eightyeight | heh |
| 22:30.40 | eightyeight | hah |
| 22:30.42 | eightyeight | :) |
| 22:30.44 | eightyeight | ? |
| 22:30.58 | youtah | lol |
| 22:35.06 | jfindlay | facebook decreases group IQ by an order of magintude |
| 22:59.45 | shalkie | And for each day that you are not on Facebook your IQ jumps a certain number of points? Or is it just relative to the rest of the population? |
| 23:01.43 | jfindlay | iq is relative by definition, I thought |
| 23:03.29 | shalkie | It is. I was just trying to be a smart ass. Clearly I failed. :-P |
| 23:05.03 | eightyeight | shalkie: when you have the superior iq of jfindlay, then you can attempt planing him in Dialog |
| 23:05.41 | jfindlay | my iq is great again |
| 23:05.48 | jfindlay | like america |
| 23:07.57 | romanovic | I feel so productive today! |
| 23:08.05 | romanovic | just realised his IRC was closed all day |
| 23:08.21 | TodPunk | yes, yes, but how's your IQ feeling? |
| 23:12.44 | eightyeight | my IQ as pneumonia |
| 23:14.52 | TodPunk | It got better |
| 23:14.55 | TodPunk | goes home |
| 23:15.14 | youtah | but I got bettuh |
| 23:17.14 | eightyeight | it's not a tumah |
| 23:20.03 | youtah | Alright |
| 23:20.05 | youtah | I am outta here |
| 23:20.18 | youtah | I am a baby and leaf |
| 23:20.30 | youtah | I'mma make like a baby and leaf |
| 23:20.33 | youtah | lol |
| 23:20.40 | youtah | make like a tree and head out first |
| 23:20.55 | eightyeight | make like a duck, and get the flock outta here |