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| 14:25.10 | Migs | This makes no sense. One of the directors from Microsoft contacted me asking if I could help them figure out how to set up a sponsored Azure account for a client of theirs. Wtf am I supposed to do? I've worked with sponsored accounts they've set up before, but that was it. And why don't they know how to do it themselves? It's their own product. |
| 14:25.23 | Migs | lol, they must be desperate |
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| 15:15.29 | jima | that's...odd. |
| 15:21.17 | manithree | wonders why he never sees anybody else with a camelbak/hydration pack on the Murdock Canal Trail |
| 15:21.43 | manithree | googles "Jetson hydration pills" |
| 15:21.52 | jima | manithree: because they're all there to buy drugs, duh |
| 15:22.03 | jima | just like you are, but at least you know how to cover for it. |
| 15:22.39 | manithree | I just wonder what all those other bikers and runners know that I don't |
| 15:24.41 | spangborn | manithree: If you're biking any considerable distance, hydration packs can start to hurt your back. |
| 15:24.54 | spangborn | I don't use a hydration pack unless I'm hiking, in which case I'm carrying other stuff too. |
| 15:25.08 | spangborn | I know some runners use them, but companies make running-specific packs for stuff like that. |
| 15:37.11 | RyanE | plain 'ol water bottle in the bottle cage works for me. |
| 15:37.22 | RyanE | but I'm cheap. |
| 15:45.52 | spangborn | I prefer bottles in the cage, too. |
| 15:46.05 | spangborn | If I need more water than that, I'll usually just stop somewhere to refill |
| 15:46.31 | manithree | spangborn: my commute is nearly 18 miles, and I don't really want to put water bottles in my pannier and stop and change them out |
| 15:46.41 | spangborn | You don't have cages? |
| 15:46.54 | spangborn | I commute 15 on a daily basis and do alright with two bottles |
| 15:47.29 | manithree | I get a headache with only 2 water bottles. I drained my camelbak this morning. |
| 15:47.49 | spangborn | Ah. Well, if it works for you, then great :) |
| 15:48.20 | spangborn | It'd be nice to have some bottle filling stations along the bike trails. |
| 15:48.22 | manithree | 15 years ago on the Provo River Parkway trail EVERYBODY had packs. Now I'm the only one I ever see. |
| 15:48.41 | spangborn | At least you're hydrating properly :) |
| 15:49.00 | spangborn | I have to force myself to drink, as my body doesn't really send the "Hi I'm dehydrated" signal |
| 15:49.36 | spangborn | I also try to hydrate before I ride, which I think helps. |
| 15:49.45 | manithree | I don't like to stop and fill water bottles because strava is stupid |
| 15:49.58 | spangborn | Haha, autopause is your friend :) |
| 15:50.11 | spangborn | (I don't actually use the Strava app though, I've got a Wahoo ELEMNT as a bike computer.) |
| 15:50.39 | manithree | But on "segments" it ONLY uses the total elapsed time, which counts stop time. Boo |
| 15:51.04 | spangborn | True, but I don't tend to focus as much on segments when I'm commuting. |
| 15:51.09 | spangborn | On fun rides, sure :) |
| 15:51.26 | manithree | I like to compare my 15.5 miles on the trail to see how I'm doing. |
| 15:52.28 | spangborn | Ah, most of my commuting is on streets, so lights tend to influence ride time more than anything. |
| 15:52.47 | spangborn | I used to ride JRP a lot, but got tired of changing flats |
| 15:53.17 | spangborn | My JRP route is also significantly longer due to all the turns. |
| 15:53.21 | manithree | yeah, I don't even record the street-only parts of my commutes (to the bus stop/train statsion) |
| 15:53.22 | spangborn | manithree: What's your Strava? :) |
| 15:53.48 | manithree | my strava ID? |
| 15:53.59 | spangborn | Or better, I'll link you mine so you don't have to post it in here :) |
| 15:54.13 | spangborn | https://www.strava.com/athletes/216892 |
| 15:55.02 | manithree | You're the kind of guy that passes me. |
| 15:56.26 | spangborn | Hahaha. |
| 15:56.52 | spangborn | There are lots of folks who pass me, heh |
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| 16:03.34 | manithree | I commute on a 20+ yo Giant Iguana |
| 16:04.42 | manithree | I can't keep up with the roadies |
| 16:05.06 | spangborn | Hey, if it gets you where you're going and you like it, it's a perfect bike |
| 16:05.23 | manithree | https://www.strava.com/athletes/15372013 |
| 16:05.35 | spangborn | I sent you a request :) |
| 16:06.07 | manithree | Ah. Trying to pretend like I'm working ... |
| 16:06.19 | spangborn | Haha. |
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| 16:29.24 | youtah | https://thecontrarianblogger.com/2016/08/24/the-morons-case-for-hillary-clinton-because-some-of-you-really-are-that-stupid/ |
| 16:29.41 | youtah | not for the emotionally sensitive and not for those who can't handle big boy words |
| 16:32.43 | manithree | youtah: If you ignore all her bad points (and you're a Democrat), Hillary does look pretty good. |
| 16:33.00 | youtah | he covers her "bad" points |
| 16:33.07 | manithree | And summarily dismisses them |
| 16:33.21 | manithree | And not all of them |
| 16:33.24 | youtah | but he doesn't ignore that they aren't there |
| 16:33.32 | youtah | or doesn't pretend |
| 16:34.27 | spangborn | Holy crap. http://www.ksl.com/?sid=41302059&nid=148&title=report-byu-student-kidnapped-in-2004-now-teaching-in-north-korea |
| 16:34.32 | spangborn | (That's relative of my old boss) |
| 16:35.01 | spangborn | s/relative/a relative/ |
| 16:36.25 | manithree | I remember when he disappeared. |
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| 17:16.13 | youtah | Wow |
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| 17:21.41 | youtah | OMG |
| 17:21.59 | youtah | Did you guys see the Bobble Head Lyft driver issue? |
| 17:29.59 | youtah | Her name is Annaliese Nielsen and she is a SJW and bullied a Lyft driver because he had a bobble head on his dashboard |
| 17:30.29 | youtah | and threatened to make him go viral and shame him on Gawker |
| 17:30.41 | youtah | well, the entire thing has entirely back fired on her |
| 17:31.08 | jfindlay | why does everyone use acronym 'words' now? |
| 17:31.21 | jfindlay | sjw, smj, sjj, smy, etc? |
| 17:31.27 | youtah | it's still an accronym |
| 17:31.37 | youtah | and it is a lot faster than saying "Social Justice Warrior" |
| 17:31.43 | youtah | and uses fewer keystrokes |
| 17:31.54 | jfindlay | I refuse to learn it |
| 17:32.00 | jfindlay | and will myself ignorant |
| 17:32.04 | jfindlay | try to change me now! |
| 17:32.08 | youtah | ok |
| 17:32.13 | youtah | lol |
| 17:32.18 | spangborn | "Continent of Hawaii" |
| 17:32.18 | spangborn | lmao |
| 17:32.21 | jfindlay | ~trump |
| 17:32.22 | infobot | hmm... trump is NULL |
| 17:32.23 | youtah | lol |
| 17:32.25 | youtah | right? |
| 17:32.32 | youtah | someone deleted ~trump |
| 17:32.33 | youtah | :( |
| 17:32.34 | jfindlay | youtah: somebody reset trump again |
| 17:32.43 | jfindlay | lamers |
| 17:32.46 | youtah | ~trump youtah |
| 17:32.46 | infobot | ACTION sends youtah down an escalator |
| 17:32.54 | youtah | Noooooooo |
| 17:32.59 | youtah | files lawsuit |
| 17:33.06 | youtah | pays off student loans |
| 17:33.21 | youtah | http://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2016/08/31/every-businesses-respond-confronted-sjw-bullies-like-lyft-driver/ |
| 17:34.05 | jfindlay | lyft runs on salt, so I guess I can claim victory there |
| 17:34.50 | manithree | infobot: Truer words were never spoken (trump is NULL) |
| 17:34.50 | infobot | manithree: that's too long |
| 17:36.36 | manithree | Make Americal NULL again |
| 17:37.36 | youtah | lol manithree |
| 17:37.48 | eightyeight | jfindlay: yeah. i was just introduced to `sjw' a few days back. i had no idea what it meant. had to search it. |
| 17:38.13 | joshh | you must never read reddit comments |
| 17:38.56 | eightyeight | not those subreddits, i guess |
| 17:39.08 | joshh | i dunno it's pretty common even on front page stuff |
| 17:39.13 | manithree | GLBTQQIA saves a LOT of typing |
| 17:39.23 | joshh | i think i first heard of when reading about the guy who got fired from joking at a pycon |
| 17:39.45 | joshh | and how that game lady was getting threatened by neckbeards or something |
| 17:40.33 | manithree | joshh: lol - best description of gamergate, ever |
| 17:42.04 | eightyeight | my front page is crypto, and python, and math, and astronomy, and physics, and linux, and ... |
| 17:42.11 | eightyeight | so social justice warriors there |
| 17:42.58 | eightyeight | plenty of black hats and neckbeards though. :) |
| 17:43.11 | joshh | i actually just barely subscribed to reddit to see more specialized stuff by default like a week ago |
| 17:43.19 | joshh | always saw defaults before then |
| 17:44.19 | manithree | had a neckbeard before neckbeards were cool |
| 17:44.42 | joshh | unixbeards are cool, neckbeards are not |
| 17:45.05 | manithree | joshh: which is different from what I said, how? |
| 17:45.14 | manithree | they might be cool someday |
| 17:45.15 | spangborn | I usually can't stand the term SJW because it's a pejorative, but in this case it fits as such. |
| 17:45.28 | spangborn | Even if she was genuinely offended, she could have handled that so much better. |
| 17:45.43 | manithree | spangborn: probably only if she was sober |
| 17:45.45 | joshh | this is a unixbeard |
| 17:45.49 | joshh | http://assets.atlasobscura.com/article_images/33615/image.jpg |
| 17:46.05 | joshh | this is a neckbeard http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/012/576/200px-Neckbeards.png |
| 17:46.49 | joshh | a neckbeard is not inherently bad, but most people that have them are the type who rage at SJWs |
| 17:47.05 | manithree | I don't really rage at anybody. |
| 17:47.05 | jfindlay | can unix even have beards? |
| 17:48.13 | jfindlay | why is it that security.ubuntu.com refuses https connections? |
| 17:48.20 | jfindlay | I blame eightyeight |
| 17:48.32 | eightyeight | https://mirriors.xmission.com |
| 17:48.39 | eightyeight | now you can praise eightyeight |
| 17:49.19 | jfindlay | eightyeight: but do you host security updates there? |
| 17:50.25 | manithree | https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/112318081190421246228/albums/profile/5804870315794026770 is a manithree beard |
| 17:50.51 | joshh | with a beard like that your title should be distinguished engineer and chief scientist |
| 17:51.19 | manithree | or assassinated president |
| 17:51.27 | joshh | true |
| 17:51.48 | spangborn | mirriors? |
| 17:51.58 | spangborn | https://mirrors.xmission.com |
| 17:52.25 | fadein | spangborn just passed the Turing test! |
| 17:52.30 | spangborn | That's a pretty epic beard |
| 17:53.08 | manithree | special trim for my halloween costume a couple of years ago |
| 18:05.13 | eightyeight | jfindlay: yes |
| 18:05.45 | eightyeight | jfindlay: https://mirrors.xmission.com/ubuntu/dists/ |
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| 18:24.43 | jfindlay | eightyeight: but how can I trust that if you've sourced from security.ubuntu.com over http? |
| 18:32.29 | eightyeight | don't use it then |
| 18:32.57 | eightyeight | we don't get any revenue from it, so users only put stress on the server, that causes us admin time to address it |
| 18:34.06 | joshh | use mongodb to make it webscale |
| 18:39.10 | unum | I have a utopia connection through xmission |
| 18:39.16 | unum | I love mirrors.xmission.com |
| 18:39.21 | unum | very fast |
| 18:44.43 | joshh | utopia makes everything fast |
| 18:45.03 | joshh | you have gig? |
| 19:06.58 | manithree | I can see houses with UTOPIA from my bedroom window |
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| 20:01.50 | voldemortensen | One day my little section of Orem will get uptopia. |
| 20:05.03 | spangborn | Just used butter to install a part on my bike, heh |
| 20:08.50 | manithree | veg oil works for guns, butter should work for bikes http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/09/13/yes-its-true-fireclean-is-veg-oil/ |
| 20:09.11 | spangborn | I was using it to install new brake hood covers |
| 20:09.21 | spangborn | Because they're new and not stretched, it's otherwise impossible to get them on |
| 20:11.02 | manithree | you're not putting it on your chain yet? |
| 20:11.29 | voldemortensen | Speaking of bike parts, someone pulled out in front of my while I was riding my bike. My bike didn't make it. |
| 20:12.58 | spangborn | voldemortensen: nooooooooooo |
| 20:13.02 | spangborn | Are you okay? |
| 20:16.26 | voldemortensen | Yeah, I saw it and was able to get on my brake before impact. |
| 20:16.43 | voldemortensen | But the front fork of my bike its totally hosed. |
| 20:17.06 | RyanE | that sucks. sorry. |
| 20:17.38 | voldemortensen | The good news is that I was only a block away from the mechanic where I was headed to pick up my car. |
| 20:18.10 | voldemortensen | Also the lady's Porsche (sp?) is ok. |
| 20:18.15 | RyanE | I rode my bike last week from the mechanic into work, then back to pick up. Worked out fairly well. I'll probably do it again before it gets cold. |
| 20:18.27 | RyanE | thank heavens! I wish her license wasn't OK. :) |
| 20:18.40 | spangborn | voldemortensen: Surely the driver's insurance should pay for it? |
| 20:19.15 | voldemortensen | Yeah, probably. It'd probably be cheaper for her to just pay for it herself than to make a claim. It was just a road bike from wal-mart. |
| 20:20.06 | spangborn | Not a bad idea. |
| 20:21.15 | voldemortensen | I looked for a part to fix it because that would be even cheaper for her, but they don't sell parts for that bike. |
| 20:30.11 | jfindlay | eightyeight: I'm only asking about general theoretical stuff |
| 20:30.28 | eightyeight | it's rsynced |
| 20:31.43 | eightyeight | apt(8) won't install it if it's not signed by your operating system GPG key anyway |
| 20:32.12 | eightyeight | so, even if we're mirroring over HTTP, and Bad Guy changes all the packages, and we have Bag Things on mirrors |
| 20:32.33 | eightyeight | unless you explicitly disabled it, or Bad Guy got a copy of the private GPG key, it's not getting installed |
| 20:32.33 | jfindlay | bag things? |
| 20:33.13 | eightyeight | s/Bag/Bad/g |
| 20:33.26 | jfindlay | I agree that bags are bad |
| 20:33.44 | spangborn | Especially plastic ones |
| 20:34.53 | jfindlay | spangborn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLW0MnqH0r8 |
| 20:35.08 | spangborn | Ah I love a good Portlandia clip |
| 20:35.14 | eightyeight | anyway, use it, or don't. doesn't matter to me. |
| 20:35.31 | eightyeight | figured i would let you know all of mirrors.xmission.com is on HTTPS for both IPv4 and IPv6 |
| 20:36.35 | jfindlay | eightyeight: I'm definitely using it |
| 20:38.08 | jfindlay | ~napoleon |
| 20:38.08 | infobot | Wait, I forgot the crystals. |
| 20:40.30 | spangborn | It's faster, anyway :) |
| 20:43.25 | jfindlay | I suppose it makes a difference if XM is your ISP |
| 20:43.58 | jfindlay | what I wish is that XM host a netflix mirror so I could watch all the shows |
| 20:44.09 | jfindlay | the heck with net neutrality, right? |
| 20:44.39 | eightyeight | we have a netflix cache |
| 20:44.50 | eightyeight | as well as a global google cache, and akamai cache |
| 20:45.15 | jima | eightyeight: hasn't mirrors.xmission.com had ipv6 for a few years? |
| 20:45.21 | eightyeight | yeah |
| 20:45.23 | jima | derp, misread |
| 20:45.28 | jima | n/m |
| 20:45.33 | eightyeight | ignores jima |
| 20:45.41 | jima | i know you usually do |
| 20:45.47 | eightyeight | :) |
| 20:46.01 | eightyeight | the past 6 weeks of my life have been crazy |
| 20:46.04 | jfindlay | eightyeight: what does that mean you 'have a $service cache'? |
| 20:46.07 | eightyeight | it's finally slowing down |
| 20:46.20 | jima | i used to have to fake out my dns for mirrors.xmission.com when i had utopia because it'd default to ipv6 and use my tunnel |
| 20:46.26 | eightyeight | jfindlay: the caches are local servers, that $service syncs nightly |
| 20:46.49 | eightyeight | so the hops are shorter for your customers between home <-> google (because cache at ISP) |
| 20:47.12 | jfindlay | you're just passively caching data, or it's some kind of formal thing? |
| 20:47.20 | eightyeight | it's a formal thing |
| 20:47.24 | jfindlay | cool |
| 20:47.32 | jima | "that $service syncs nightly" |
| 20:47.38 | joshh | the service keeps a caching pop inside xmission basically |
| 20:47.38 | eightyeight | netflix, google, akamai ship you a physical and practical black box |
| 20:47.57 | joshh | so they don't use their bandwidth to deliver it to xmission, and xmission customers get it faster |
| 20:47.57 | jima | most restricted-content providers have formal agreements, much to brett glass's chagrin. |
| 20:48.00 | jfindlay | I just wish that centrylink could get out of the way |
| 20:48.06 | eightyeight | brett glass |
| 20:48.11 | eightyeight | haven't heard him for a while |
| 20:48.23 | jima | joshh: oh, they use their bandwidth to get it to xmission |
| 20:48.31 | jima | they can just do it outside of peak hours |
| 20:48.31 | joshh | just less frequently |
| 20:48.38 | jima | and once |
| 20:48.56 | eightyeight | we have it graphed |
| 20:49.02 | jima | net-net, it's some serious savings |
| 20:49.06 | joshh | when i worked at xmission one of the worst issues was when akamai mis-classified their cluster onsite there and xmission customers had problems with itunes downloads |
| 20:49.11 | jima | ...at xmission's scale, that is. |
| 20:49.16 | joshh | people were raging so hard |
| 20:49.17 | eightyeight | https://statsnew.xmission.com/public/bandwidth/pages/netflix.html |
| 20:49.22 | jfindlay | cl has been regularly jacking up their price every year now for 4 years, the last two times without even notifying us |
| 20:49.22 | eightyeight | https://statsnew.xmission.com/public/bandwidth/pages/akamai.html |
| 20:49.26 | eightyeight | https://statsnew.xmission.com/public/bandwidth/pages/google.html |
| 20:49.38 | jfindlay | for the same crappy, slowly degrading infrastructure |
| 20:49.49 | jfindlay | by $4/month |
| 20:49.49 | eightyeight | i'm so glad i got off clink |
| 20:49.53 | eightyeight | i don't miss them one bit |
| 20:49.56 | joshh | infrastucture declines, ceo pay increases |
| 20:50.09 | jima | i'm slightly sad that i'm on comcast again, but at least i own my house now |
| 20:50.14 | jfindlay | can't wait for google fiber |
| 20:50.24 | eightyeight | under the same breath though, if they give me gigabit fiber in my neighborhood, i'll sign back up |
| 20:50.27 | jfindlay | assuming it ever gets deployed |
| 20:50.32 | eightyeight | or anyone for that matter. not just clink. |
| 20:50.42 | jfindlay | or comcrappy |
| 20:50.54 | joshh | i think the comcast gig is like 400 a month except for one city where they are trying to compete with google fiber |
| 20:51.01 | joshh | saw some headline about that the other day |
| 20:51.03 | jima | eightyeight: 5gbps hahahahahaha |
| 20:51.10 | jima | yeah, that pays off |
| 20:51.31 | eightyeight | i'm very happy with my 50Mb symmetric wireless though |
| 20:51.49 | eightyeight | other than a bump early this year, and as a result, an upgrade to my hub home, it's been _solid_ |
| 20:51.51 | jfindlay | I think cities should just do what Brigham did and tax everybody for municipal fiber |
| 20:52.02 | jfindlay | at least I think that's what they did |
| 20:52.08 | jfindlay | my brother lives there |
| 20:52.20 | jfindlay | yes in my neighbor's backyard |
| 20:52.26 | jfindlay | they don't know what is good for them |
| 20:52.26 | jima | jfindlay: did you attend any of the town hall meetings about macquarie? |
| 20:52.31 | jfindlay | jima: no |
| 20:52.38 | joshh | sounds like you're a soshulist |
| 20:52.41 | jima | oh ffs, it was so stupid. |
| 20:53.00 | jima | jfindlay: about half the people spoke out in favor, half against |
| 20:53.07 | jima | and some of the 'against' were so stupid |
| 20:53.14 | jfindlay | joshh: Brigham is a very 'socialist' city when it comes to all the other utils |
| 20:53.25 | jima | "i don't want my tax dollars going to this, they should be fixing the potholes on my street instead" |
| 20:53.46 | eightyeight | whatever happened with macquarie, btw? |
| 20:53.56 | eightyeight | seems like they just sort of ... fell of the radar |
| 20:53.59 | jfindlay | jima: I recently learned that in many places in the country, the city does not even pay for all of the basic infrastructure, like sidewalks |
| 20:54.00 | jima | like...yeah, the money that you're refusing to let go to utopia is totally going to go to road repair |
| 20:54.13 | jima | jfindlay: tax...whatevers |
| 20:54.17 | jima | i forget the word |
| 20:54.32 | jima | they bill the homeowners |
| 20:54.37 | joshh | public opinion on the value of utopia was always maddening |
| 20:54.39 | jima | and probably business owners |
| 20:54.46 | joshh | way too many morons chiming in |
| 20:54.52 | jima | i get that utopia suffered some mismanagement early on |
| 20:54.54 | jfindlay | people are liable for the sidewalk in front of their house. I can't imagine anyone thinking that that is not a stupid idea |
| 20:55.03 | jima | but some people just can't let that go. |
| 20:55.09 | joshh | and it's impossible to explain that it's not a government takeover of the internet, or government ran isp, etc |
| 20:55.48 | jfindlay | it's all 'you didn't build that', followed by 'thanxobama' |
| 20:56.14 | jima | municipal L1-2 internet really makes sense |
| 20:56.29 | joshh | if you know what that means, yes |
| 20:56.39 | joshh | people don't think about all the public money that paid for phone infrastructure either |
| 20:56.39 | jima | *sigh* yeah |
| 20:56.42 | joshh | and sorta still does |
| 20:56.52 | jima | yes |
| 20:57.15 | jima | this, however, isn't building and enforcing a monopoly |
| 20:57.16 | joshh | basically, idiots are why we can't have nice things |
| 20:57.25 | jfindlay | you mean like att and verzon taking huge dollars from local cities and then lawyering out of their common carrier duties? |
| 20:57.46 | jima | jfindlay: well, that and the federal funds |
| 20:57.51 | jfindlay | even cl wants to lawyer it around with the big boys |
| 20:58.07 | Migs | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3767191/Heartwarming-moment-girl-asks-stepdad-legally-adopt-birthday.html |
| 20:58.48 | jima | Migs: awww |
| 21:00.58 | jima | ok, enough rantiness, time to hide from work |
| 21:07.57 | eightyeight | imma just drop this here: https://twitter.com/BrandSanderson/status/771445611782516736 |
| 21:08.24 | spangborn | What are books? |
| 21:08.47 | eightyeight | books are knowledge |
| 21:08.51 | eightyeight | and knowledge is power |
| 21:48.47 | RyanE | spangborn: dead trees with words on them. |
| 22:08.43 | *** join/#utah levi (~levi@c-98-202-130-141.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
