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| 03:47.36 | TodPunk | bash is ruined for the sheer fact that anything I haven't read is most likely fake since they became internet phenomenons |
| 03:47.44 | TodPunk | for me, anyway |
| 04:24.16 | klys | ~.~ |
| 04:24.16 | infobot | Ni hao! |
| 04:24.30 | klys | moshi moshi |
| 04:24.45 | klys | ~slashdot |
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| 14:55.40 | Migs | http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/18/this-firm-beat-amazon-to-drone-deliveries-by-launching-it-from-the-roof-of-a-truck.html just saw this |
| 15:46.21 | programmerq | kind of neat |
| 15:46.40 | programmerq | they are taking a tiered approach to using this tech, which probably makes some sense. |
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| 16:06.40 | youtah | Fantastic video on human cased climate change https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jguarSWDcrM&t=11m40s (starts at 11m40s to 31m) |
| 16:06.47 | youtah | caused |
| 16:07.55 | TodPunk | 20 minutes? No thank you |
| 16:07.58 | TodPunk | give me a blog summary |
| 16:10.28 | RyanE | TL;DR summary: Some people think humans are the major source of global climate change (formerly 'Global Warming'). Some people don't. |
| 16:10.28 | spangborn | TL;DR please |
| 16:10.49 | RyanE | sometimes they leave that last part out, though. :) |
| 16:11.14 | TodPunk | I'm happy for a longer thing, just not in video form |
| 16:11.29 | jlp_znc | youtah, you will now and forever be known to me as "Jeffgery" |
| 16:11.40 | TodPunk | Oh, that is so happening |
| 16:11.45 | RyanE | I like longform text, because I can send it to pocket and read later. |
| 16:12.06 | RyanE | I'm unlikely to watch a video in a line at the store. But I'm an old fogey, so there's that. :) |
| 16:13.44 | TodPunk | I'm not as old, but I do like to be efficient |
| 16:13.46 | youtah | RyanE, was close... slight modification: "TL;DR summary: Some people think humans are the major source of global climate change (formerly 'Global Warming'). Some people don't. Experts right, the intelligent but non experts, wrong." |
| 16:14.36 | RyanE | yes, but not everyone agrees who the right experts are. :P |
| 16:14.40 | TodPunk | I still see a lot of argumentation about it. Sometimes (rarely) I see data backing the arguments either way |
| 16:15.00 | youtah | they go into it |
| 16:15.05 | youtah | the data |
| 16:16.01 | TodPunk | Like, I get the whole "most of the scientists" thing. That's great. What about the other scientists that are experts and have valid data saying "no, this isn't a thing?" Nobody refutes their data that I've been shown, they just say "well those guys are fringe." I don't give a damn. Tell me why their data is wrong. |
| 16:16.24 | TodPunk | youtah: doesn't matter. That video could contain the secret to immortality and I wouldn't watch it. |
| 16:16.36 | TodPunk | 20 minutes is attention I can't devote. |
| 16:16.46 | TodPunk | that's like my whole lunch |
| 16:16.52 | RyanE | there are a lot shorter videos that tell the secret of immorality. |
| 16:17.05 | TodPunk | I'd watch those instead |
| 16:17.18 | TodPunk | (except immortality sounds boring as hell) |
| 16:17.33 | RyanE | except I didn't say immortality. |
| 16:17.48 | youtah | It actually contains the secret to immortality too |
| 16:18.00 | youtah | you dont watch it... you listen to it |
| 16:18.08 | youtah | unless you like looking at people talking behind a table |
| 16:18.13 | RyanE | yeah, I wouldn't do that in a line at the store, either. |
| 16:18.51 | TodPunk | youtah: that's called a podcast and it's the same problem, but worse |
| 16:19.04 | TodPunk | because I don't jog or have a long commute |
| 16:19.23 | youtah | lol |
| 16:19.48 | TodPunk | so now you've given me LESS to give attention to, and you want me to retain info? Might as well just put on music. I won't listen to the lyrics either. |
| 16:24.07 | jfindlay | ~napoleon youtah |
| 16:24.07 | infobot | ACTION throws youtah's favorite Masters of the Universe action figure out the bus window attached to a fishing line |
| 16:24.21 | TodPunk | youtah: you best be coming to my party now, |
| 16:25.09 | youtah | I saw that |
| 16:25.15 | youtah | I will be out of town |
| 16:28.12 | TodPunk | That's kind of a dumb excuse |
| 16:29.21 | spangborn | https://twitter.com/keithboykin/status/766308855705985024 |
| 16:29.41 | spangborn | If it's a fun party, I volunteer as tribute |
| 16:31.24 | TodPunk | spangborn: don't you live in the middle of nowhere? |
| 16:31.34 | spangborn | No, I don't live in Lehi |
| 16:35.42 | youtah | lol |
| 16:35.51 | jfindlay | ~lolstats |
| 16:35.52 | infobot | total count of lol on #utah: 2122. Top 3: youtah -- 1017 (47.9%), keldwud -- 115 (5.4%), Q_Continuum -- 63 (3.0%) |
| 16:35.58 | youtah | huzzzzzzah |
| 16:36.28 | spangborn | My city has 2x the population of Lehi |
| 16:36.44 | jfindlay | and 1/4 the traffic |
| 16:36.48 | spangborn | Yep. |
| 16:36.53 | jfindlay | :-) |
| 16:37.00 | spangborn | And less than 25% of the silica cancer |
| 16:37.27 | TodPunk | So, not civilization at all, really |
| 16:37.43 | spangborn | Oh does Lehi have an airport I'm unaware of? |
| 16:37.53 | TodPunk | Yes, it's called "the mountain" |
| 16:37.58 | TodPunk | people take off from it all the time |
| 16:38.07 | spangborn | How's that light rail in Lehi? |
| 16:38.15 | TodPunk | Nonexistent, thankfully |
| 16:38.19 | TodPunk | keeps the hipsters away |
| 16:38.34 | spangborn | Also keeps the jobs away |
| 16:39.10 | TodPunk | But seriously, where is it you live? |
| 16:39.29 | spangborn | West Jordan. |
| 16:39.56 | TodPunk | I saw West and was scared it would be followed by Valley City, and all your credibility would have been gone |
| 16:40.02 | spangborn | Haha. |
| 16:40.08 | spangborn | There are some decent areas in WVC now, actually. |
| 16:40.16 | spangborn | Most of it tucked against I-80 |
| 16:40.33 | spangborn | Er, 201 |
| 16:41.02 | TodPunk | I wouldn't mind living further North, but I have kids to raise, so that precludes me from the city nonsense |
| 16:41.21 | spangborn | I'm still definitely suburban. |
| 16:41.28 | TodPunk | waits for his neighborhood to have sidewalks to/from somewhere other than his neighborhood |
| 16:44.56 | RyanE | my neighborhood has sidewalks that lead to other, similar neighborhoods. :) |
| 16:45.57 | RyanE | although I suppose I can take the sidewalk in front of my house all the way to another city, without leaving the sidewalk, so I guess I've got it pretty good. |
| 16:48.14 | jfindlay | I read an article recently that talked about in other parts of the country, the cities don't provide sidewalks |
| 16:48.35 | jfindlay | that residents are liable for the sidewalk in front of their house |
| 16:54.53 | jfindlay | can't find the article though |
| 17:03.20 | TodPunk | RyanE: could your 14 year old walk to an evening job at some fast food joint? |
| 17:03.45 | TodPunk | jfindlay: in Lehi they make new devleopers do the sidewalk, always |
| 17:04.14 | TodPunk | It's not as nice as I'd like, to be honest, but it is a sensical approach I suppose |
| 17:06.26 | jfindlay | spangborn: I grew up in WJ and my parents still live there, but I wouldn't say it has less traffic than Lehi :-) |
| 17:06.46 | spangborn | It does compared to where youtah and TodPunk live |
| 17:06.53 | jlp_znc | so I often walk down Commerce Drive and there is a stretch that does not have a sidewalk. Interestingly enough, it is the stretch right in front of the UDOT shops. |
| 17:07.04 | spangborn | I'm off of 13th West and don't have anywhere near the problems Lehi has |
| 17:07.08 | jlp_znc | I keep trying to think of a pithy tweet to lament the fact. |
| 17:07.25 | jfindlay | spangborn: it gets much worse the further west you go |
| 17:07.52 | spangborn | jlp_znc: haha. I ride Commerce quite a bit |
| 17:08.06 | RyanE | TodPunk: yes, but he'd probably perfer to ride his bike or ripstik. And he's only 12. |
| 17:08.48 | jfindlay | jlp_znc: UDOT is rather looney like that |
| 17:08.58 | RyanE | UDOT is Do what I say, not what I do. :) |
| 17:09.52 | jlp_znc | awwww, the playboy mansion sold. |
| 17:10.01 | jlp_znc | $100,000,000 |
| 17:10.08 | jlp_znc | that's a lot of zeros |
| 17:11.03 | unum | I have a 15 minute walk to trax |
| 17:11.09 | unum | which is pretty convient |
| 17:11.12 | youtah | wait TodPunk |
| 17:11.17 | youtah | you forgot to ask spangborn one thing |
| 17:11.24 | youtah | "Do you have Fiber to house?" |
| 17:11.25 | jlp_znc | I have a 30 minute walk to frontrunner and trax |
| 17:11.40 | unum | are you in murray? |
| 17:11.47 | unum | I used to have a 10 minute walk to both |
| 17:11.49 | jlp_znc | or a 20 minute walk to a bus stop that gets me to the front runner station just barely after the train has left. |
| 17:11.57 | jlp_znc | yeah |
| 17:12.03 | unum | right by the centeral station |
| 17:12.08 | unum | I really liked it there |
| 17:12.35 | TodPunk | youtah: fair |
| 17:12.45 | jlp_znc | I'm about equidistant between the murray central station and fashion place west station |
| 17:13.02 | TodPunk | pats his 940 mbit throughput "good boy, yes you are" |
| 17:13.10 | unum | now I ride into work on trax and get off at fashion place west |
| 17:13.11 | jlp_znc | also, unfortunately, in a neighborhood that was somehow missed when Utopia was putting in fiber |
| 17:13.17 | unum | and ride the 209 to work |
| 17:13.39 | jlp_znc | go five blocks in any direction and I could get Utopia. just not where I am. |
| 17:16.28 | romanovic | that's one nice thing about eastern bloc countries - there are metro stations everywhere, and nobody cares about missing the train, because another one comes 90 seconds later |
| 17:17.01 | romanovic | in many places there is no train schedule, just a constant flow of metro cars, on all lines, in all directions |
| 17:23.11 | unum | I was hoping with prop 1 UTA would increase frequency |
| 17:23.20 | unum | but prop 1 failed in salt lake county |
| 17:24.00 | jfindlay | never expect UTA to do anything rationally :-) |
| 17:24.28 | RyanE | or efficiently |
| 17:32.28 | jfindlay | UTA is quasi public, so it effectively combines bureaucratic malificence with corporate arrogance and the best of public and private corruption |
| 17:35.28 | spangborn | UTA's problem stems from being quasi public. |
| 17:35.35 | spangborn | They want tax money, but they don't want the accountability. |
| 17:36.28 | TodPunk | to be fair, most entities would have that goal set |
| 17:36.58 | spangborn | True, but most of them would at least have the brains to pretend to not be so hostile to their users. |
| 17:38.01 | TodPunk | Ahem. Gnome. |
| 17:39.10 | TodPunk | They don't even get the tax money |
| 17:43.45 | spangborn | Could be worse, could be Canonical |
| 17:54.10 | TodPunk | Canonical doesn't hate their users. They hate linux zealots who use Ubuntu for some reason. |
| 17:55.13 | TodPunk | "This is too conveniently not exactly what I wanted and I'm having a hard time configuring every minute detail, as if your setup wasn't catering to this configurability." |
| 17:56.13 | TodPunk | This reminds me of a joke |
| 17:56.16 | TodPunk | Gentoo |
| 17:56.17 | TodPunk | ahahahaha |
| 18:09.04 | eightyeight | mutt 1.7.0 released. http://www.mutt.org/doc/UPDATING |
| 18:09.21 | eightyeight | "The sidebar patch has been merged. Please watch for airborne bovine." |
| 18:26.20 | jlp_znc | http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/149101513669/aix-admins-at-lisa |
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| 18:33.41 | spangborn | https://twitter.com/musalbas/status/766290610307432448 |
| 18:33.44 | spangborn | Good hell |
| 18:35.25 | jlp_znc | gracious |
| 18:35.41 | spangborn | Just when I thought the NSA couldn't scare me any more⦠that |
| 18:36.04 | spangborn | I can only imagine how many corporations they've compromised |
| 18:40.27 | manithree | http://www.pcworld.com/article/3109176/microsoft-powershell-goes-open-source-and-lands-on-linux-and-mac.html |
| 18:40.29 | manithree | Why? |
| 18:54.07 | programmerq | same reason I want to run bash on windows, I suspect. |
| 18:54.16 | programmerq | if it's what you know and it's comfortable, why not? |
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| 19:00.05 | jfindlay | bourne shell isn't that pretty after all :-) |
| 19:00.07 | TodPunk | manithree: Powershell is actually pretty interesting and worth knowing more of |
| 19:00.24 | jfindlay | probably one of the most disgusting languages I know |
| 19:00.43 | TodPunk | Even if you don't use it, the concepts are very applicable to a lot of arenas, even bash |
| 19:06.28 | goozbach | bash == disgusting? |
| 19:06.36 | goozbach | it's old and crufty, I'll give you that |
| 19:06.40 | goozbach | but disgusting? |
| 19:06.55 | TodPunk | yes |
| 19:06.57 | TodPunk | also: perl |
| 19:07.16 | TodPunk | The truth hurts, but it's not 1980 anymore |
| 19:08.38 | manithree | I just don't see why anyone would use it on Linux |
| 19:09.17 | TodPunk | To orchestrate a bunch of .NET services together, for instance, sans serialization |
| 19:09.55 | Migs | http://o.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/fss/df6e08b244e79cf198ad926f82d35259 |
| 19:09.58 | manithree | I thought that's what IIS was for. |
| 19:10.09 | TodPunk | I'd prefer my server to run linux |
| 19:10.28 | goozbach | bash is still useful |
| 19:10.29 | TodPunk | all the other things I want to run do better on linux, and linux is free |
| 19:10.43 | TodPunk | goozbach: that wasn't really disputed? |
| 19:10.56 | goozbach | true |
| 19:11.00 | goozbach | but disgusting? |
| 19:11.04 | goozbach | that's a bit harsh |
| 19:11.08 | goozbach | I mean it's not PHP |
| 19:11.10 | romanovic | bash could really use some modernisation. maybe someone will introduce some more descriptive commands: ls -> List, cat -> Concatenate-Files, chmod -> Change-Mode |
| 19:11.37 | romanovic | cli users will love it |
| 19:11.43 | TodPunk | PHP is easier to follow and more sane to me than bash, and I hate PHP |
| 19:12.08 | TodPunk | if statements alone |
| 19:12.11 | TodPunk | good lord |
| 19:12.11 | goozbach | romanovic: it needs more caMeLCaSe and sp-e-c_ial_ chars |
| 19:14.15 | manithree | Every time I've had to use or read powershell, it made my head hurt |
| 19:14.36 | manithree | It seems like cmd.exe + vb.net |
| 19:15.05 | romanovic | I think powershell and bash have very different end goals. Powershell was probably a life saver for windows dwellers starved for a scripting language more powerful than batch. very powerful, very descriptive, not so scary if you wrote vb.net like manithree says |
| 19:15.47 | romanovic | if you want to throw a script together with the fewest number of keystrokes, and are comfortable enough on the command line that bash's legibility is not at all a hurdle, powershell just doesn't seem that attractive |
| 19:16.10 | TodPunk | ~romanovic++ |
| 19:16.24 | TodPunk | Powershell is definitely not a scripting solution |
| 19:16.43 | TodPunk | bash and powershell are not equivalent either, which is an important note |
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| 19:17.30 | TodPunk | I'd rather orchestrate some things with bash and others with powershell and still others with salt style solutions |
| 19:19.00 | romanovic | yeah. and if you don't have to share with others, you'll probably just go with whatever you are comfortable with... |
| 19:20.00 | romanovic | i still install cygwin and write bash scripts for things on windows at work. or for more complex or abstract tasks, python |
| 19:20.12 | Migs | PHP's documentation is awesome |
| 19:20.13 | romanovic | hasn't upgraded to windows 10 yet |
| 19:23.08 | jfindlay | bash does have some improvements over sh, but also seems to have complicated things even more |
| 19:23.27 | jfindlay | and zsh does its best, but it's abattle that can't be won IMO |
| 19:23.54 | jfindlay | I'd rather not use a language with such profound existential contradictions |
| 19:24.35 | jfindlay | I tried fish out a few times. Maybe I should try again |
| 19:30.40 | Migs | https://i.imgur.com/7TgntLV.png |
| 19:31.32 | manithree | Migs: There you go being a racist again |
| 19:40.22 | Migs | how...was that racist? |
| 19:40.27 | TodPunk | obviously] |
| 19:40.49 | Migs | not saying I'm not racist, but that was one time I actually didn't intend to be racist |
| 19:40.54 | TodPunk | #gorillalivesmatter |
| 19:48.03 | manithree | Obama and gorilla in the same post. Dog Whistle! |
| 19:51.09 | manithree | Or, maybe, just a joke at Obama's expense. Coded! |
| 19:51.44 | manithree | Hey, I think the government wastes a lot of money, therefore I'm a racist, so don't feel bad. |
| 19:52.12 | TodPunk | HL3 confirmed! |
| 20:06.03 | unum | if David Duke endorses Migs I'll start worrying |
| 20:07.37 | eightyeight | i think i'd worry more if Migs endorsed David Duke |
| 20:09.04 | unum | eightyeight: true |
| 20:09.17 | unum | but it seems like a David Duke endorsement would be easy to lose |
| 20:09.41 | unum | you could say something like: There's nothing wrong with interacial marriage |
| 20:11.31 | unum | You could say: Hitler killed 6 million jews |
| 20:14.04 | unum | shoot you could just say: black people should continue to live and work alongside us here in America |
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| 20:15.32 | TodPunk | I like people like David Duke |
| 20:15.51 | TodPunk | It's great when people are honest and tell me "you should never take me seriously or consider me useful for anything" |
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| 20:56.11 | youtah | Looks like fozzmoo's dream has come true: https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/blog/powershell-is-open-sourced-and-is-available-on-linux/ |
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| 21:20.58 | jfindlay | youtah: we already had a big debate a out that |
| 21:21.05 | jfindlay | s/a out/about/ |
| 21:24.57 | TodPunk | seriously, youtah, get a bouncer or something |
| 21:25.04 | TodPunk | geez |
| 21:26.21 | youtah | geeze |
| 21:26.35 | spangborn | The naked Trump statue in NY is killing me |
| 21:26.53 | spangborn | The statement from NY Parks is the best part though: https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/766380076036304897 |
| 21:26.57 | spangborn | (SFW) |
| 21:27.12 | spangborn | The statue however is NSFW, so don't go looking for it unless you're okay with that |
| 21:29.00 | jima | no thanks, thanks for the warning |
| 21:29.31 | youtah | spangborn, I would have expected a comb over.... |
| 21:29.43 | youtah | and that is hilarious |
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| 22:24.28 | spangborn | youtah: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/july-hottest-noaa-nasa-climate-environment-global |
| 22:25.33 | youtah | :( |
| 22:26.02 | youtah | but spangborn!!! Uncle Bob's web blog online says that it's not real! |
| 22:27.00 | youtah | and he's an expert... because he knows a meteorologist that works for some parcel delivery service (because he couldn't make it into the big leagues) that reads Hannity and things it's all a conspiracy by NASA! |
| 22:27.14 | youtah | thinks* |
| 22:28.08 | TodPunk | It's usually some professor of meteorology at X University that has done research that I prefer to hear from (so very few people ever cite them, though, so it is very frustrating to search on) |
| 22:28.14 | TodPunk | Ultimately I dont think it matters |
| 22:28.25 | TodPunk | Act as if we are the problem, we'll win either way |
| 22:28.43 | youtah | "Act as if we are the problem, we'll win either way" << 100% This |
| 22:29.04 | fungus | The more FW:'s an email has, the more true it really is. Climate change is bunk. /s |
| 22:29.16 | TodPunk | "But it's so expensive!" No, you just don't know what you're doing. |
| 22:29.17 | youtah | lol |
| 22:30.48 | youtah | and the funny part, is that you can have a room full of 100 scientists, and there's always that one, that will disagree, and everyone will completely disregard the other 99, because that 1 is correct. |
| 22:31.26 | TodPunk | Science is not a popularity contest. Those that view it as such aren't scientists. |
| 22:31.39 | TodPunk | In EITHER direction |
| 22:31.46 | youtah | well, kind of |
| 22:31.54 | youtah | unfortunately they have to kind of act that way to get grants |
| 22:32.32 | youtah | spangborn and I know a guy up at the Moran Eye Center... it's actually saddening to see how much work he has to do to get the grants, instead of actually just doing the research |
| 22:32.37 | TodPunk | No, if you can't reconcile the 1's data against your 99's models, the 99 are wrong. If the 1's data is wrong, that's different. |
| 22:35.34 | jfindlay | youtah: undergrads think that science is about solving problems, grads and postdocs think it's about doing research, but professors know that science is about winning grant proposals |
| 22:35.51 | jfindlay | the type A rainmakers are who make it in academia |
| 22:35.53 | youtah | which is sad |
| 22:36.33 | youtah | and I just sit back and watch him... and you can tell it just drives him crazy |
| 22:36.55 | youtah | he's a professor of Opthomology and Neuroscience at the UofU |
| 22:37.01 | jfindlay | this is what convinced me to finally drop out after so many wasted years |
| 22:37.29 | jfindlay | but at least I can derive solutions to electro and quantum dynamics |
| 22:39.36 | TodPunk | academia is a terrible place |
| 22:44.05 | jfindlay | youtah: I twatted it: https://twitter.com/therealjfindlay/status/766405243751964672! |
| 23:06.48 | TodPunk | sorry, that page doesn't exist |
| 23:07.05 | TodPunk | ah, no ! |
| 23:09.18 | jfindlay | what is a page? |
| 23:14.02 | youtah | take away the ! at the end |
