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| 14:49.45 | manithree | cycled to work to the cadence of "Ode to Brexit" this morning. |
| 14:49.50 | manithree | ~lart JohnOliver |
| 14:49.50 | infobot | turns JohnOliver into a lifesized tux doll |
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| 15:50.09 | jima | lifesized? largest i've ever seen is 36", and i've only ever encountered two of those. |
| 15:51.46 | manithree | jima: Maybe John Oliver is really short. Tux probably is. |
| 15:52.27 | jima | well, truth be told, penguins are pretty small, so the 36" plushes are probably larger-than-life-sized. |
| 15:53.02 | jima | n/m, emperor penguins can get up to 48" |
| 16:02.02 | RyanE | I'm taking this out of context, I think: 09:50 < jima> lifesized? largest i've ever seen is 36", and i've only ever encountered two of those. |
| 16:02.17 | RyanE | much funnier that way |
| 16:09.14 | jima | and more terrifying. |
| 16:09.50 | jima | chases RyanE with a 36" [redacted] |
| 16:10.09 | RyanE | heh |
| 16:16.48 | manithree | ~twss |
| 16:16.48 | infobot | That's what she said! |
| 16:17.44 | manithree | If I were less lazy I would go back and see who posted the yt link and lart them. |
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| 16:24.18 | programmerq | I posted one yesterday. the brexit song? |
| 16:28.51 | manithree | ~lart programmerq |
| 16:28.51 | infobot | cats /dev/urandom into programmerq's ear |
| 16:30.15 | manithree | 17.7 miles, 81 minutes on my bike, the only words I could remember were "F**k you European Union" |
| 16:30.41 | manithree | Thanks for that earworm |
| 16:31.00 | manithree | ~lart Beethoven |
| 16:31.00 | infobot | explains, ever so gently, that if Beethoven doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help |
| 16:59.26 | jfindlay | ~trump youtah |
| 16:59.27 | infobot | ACTION deports youtah |
| 17:02.17 | youtah | speaking of that |
| 17:02.26 | youtah | I had a dream that I was captured in North Korea |
| 17:02.27 | TodPunk | deporting you? |
| 17:02.45 | youtah | I kept my ham radio hidden |
| 17:03.22 | jfindlay | did you see Dennis Rodman? |
| 17:03.26 | youtah | and Kim Jung Un felt bad that we had burnt our vegetables for dinner so he wanted to use it as an opportunity to show "how mcuh food" they had |
| 17:03.34 | youtah | LOL |
| 17:03.52 | youtah | and I was scared the whole time that i was going to be murdered |
| 17:04.41 | youtah | (I read a CNN article about N Korea declaring war on us right before I went to bed) |
| 17:05.52 | TodPunk | did they declare war on us? |
| 17:05.54 | TodPunk | that's cute |
| 17:07.32 | eightyeight | http://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/world/2016/07/28/87656946/ |
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| 17:10.31 | youtah | yes |
| 17:10.40 | youtah | lol, you have to kind of dig for the articles because no one cares |
| 17:10.44 | youtah | lol |
| 17:10.46 | youtah | ~lolstats |
| 17:10.46 | infobot | total count of lol on #utah: 2070. Top 3: youtah -- 976 (47.1%), keldwud -- 115 (5.6%), Q_Continuum -- 63 (3.0%) |
| 17:10.51 | youtah | lol |
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| 18:03.27 | unum | it seems like you used to be able to do tail -f /dev/audio |
| 18:04.01 | unum | well what I reall want to do is something like: ssh <username>@192.168.1.2 'dd bs=1k if=/dev/audio' > /dev/audio |
| 18:04.08 | unum | but you can't do that anymore |
| 18:04.32 | unum | I tried to use arecord to record the audio but it gives me a device in use error |
| 18:04.59 | unum | I should explain what I'm trying to do. I have someone using a softphone on a linux computer, and the person on the other end is hearing an echo |
| 18:05.20 | unum | I used tshark and found the echo coming from this computer |
| 18:05.34 | unum | I just want to verify it's the mic and not the softphone |
| 18:05.51 | unum | so I'm trying to grab raw data from the mic as it comes from the usb port |
| 18:09.30 | spangborn | ~dell |
| 18:09.30 | infobot | Dude! Are you getting a Dell?, or stupid for only selling PCs with Vista, or might be cooler if they start pre-packaging OpenOffice per the OpenOffice.org request sent to the CEO |
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| 18:34.10 | levi | unum: What do you mean when you say "I used tshark and found the echo coming from this computer"? |
| 18:35.38 | levi | Linux audio is way more complicated than it used to be, and can be set up in multiple different ways, so it's hard to say how to do what you're wanting to do in general. |
| 18:38.08 | jfindlay | ~dell spangborn |
| 18:38.08 | infobot | Dude! spangborn's getting a dell! |
| 18:40.14 | unum | levi: I have port mirroring set up on a switch between the computer and the voip server |
| 18:40.30 | unum | and I can hear both sides of the conversation in one stream.... |
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| 18:40.57 | TodPunk | youtah: I may be being a bit rude to that job posting dude? |
| 18:43.21 | TodPunk | youtah: for convenience: https://www.facebook.com/groups/tmjobs/permalink/628534917313325/ |
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| 18:53.56 | levi | unum: You should be able to test whether the mic is picking up stuff from the speaker just with audacity or something. |
| 18:56.34 | jsmith | unum: Do a packet capture using tcpdump, then listen to the audio in Wireshark |
| 18:56.48 | jsmith | unum: I used to do it all the time when I was teaching VoIP classes |
| 18:56.50 | levi | jsmith: It sounds like he already did that. |
| 18:57.08 | jsmith | Oh, sorry -- didn't read carefully enough |
| 18:57.19 | jsmith | goes back to completely not paying attention |
| 18:57.21 | levi | jsmith: I think the question he has is whether it's the mic setup or the softphone that's causing it. |
| 18:57.34 | levi | But I'm not entirely sure either. |
| 18:57.42 | jsmith | levi: Aye, I see that now that I read more closely |
| 18:58.34 | levi | I work with audio streaming a fair bit, but not a lot with VOIP. |
| 18:58.35 | unum | levi: ya |
| 18:58.43 | unum | I'm fairly certain it's the mic |
| 18:58.48 | unum | but I've been asked to verify |
| 18:59.28 | unum | other people are certain it has to be a setting on a voip server further down the line |
| 18:59.58 | unum | but since I'm picking it up prior to that server, I don't see how that could be the issue |
| 19:00.44 | levi | I'd play a recording out through the speaker while taking a new recording via the headset mic. You should then be able to compare the signal in the new recording to the original. |
| 19:01.03 | unum | looks like you can can use tshark on your usbport |
| 19:01.08 | unum | not sure how you listen to it after that |
| 19:01.26 | levi | I'm not sure why you'd want to do that for this. |
| 19:02.13 | levi | If you don't want to use Audacity, there's probably a command line recorder like alsarecord or something installed. |
| 19:02.15 | unum | because that will give me the raw packets going to and from the mic |
| 19:02.19 | unum | I tried that |
| 19:02.35 | unum | but it gave me a resource busy error |
| 19:02.52 | levi | Then it's probably got something like PulseAudio installed, and it has its own command line recorder tool. |
| 19:03.05 | unum | ah that's what I think I needed to know |
| 19:03.52 | levi | paplay, parecord, pacat, etc. |
| 19:05.50 | levi | 'pactl stat' should work if PulseAudio is installed. |
| 19:08.29 | unum | huh I can see pulseaudio is running |
| 19:08.52 | unum | but pacmd tells me the daemon isn't runnig |
| 19:09.44 | levi | Are you running as root or the logged-in user? |
| 19:10.16 | unum | I tried both, but it looks I have to set the session |
| 19:10.56 | levi | Yeah, it's designed to only communicate with the logged-in user at the console. |
| 19:11.41 | levi | So you can't easily pull the remote sound hijacking shenanigans of the old Unix workstation days. |
| 19:12.16 | unum | I did an su - but then I guess I still need to tell it use the other session |
| 19:16.25 | levi | You might also check to ensure that when the headset is in use, the sound *only* goes to the headset. |
| 19:17.51 | unum | how would I check that |
| 19:18.03 | unum | there are no other speakers on the computer |
| 19:18.49 | levi | Well, if there are no other speakers, it's probably not an issue, although I've had work PCs with internal speakers before. |
| 19:19.10 | unum | it's a weird issue because we have a few hundred computers set up like this, and a few hundred users |
| 19:19.34 | unum | and for weeks this one user has had problems even though she sits at different computers |
| 19:19.41 | unum | and until today no one else had this problem |
| 19:20.59 | unum | now two(out of four) people have this problem |
| 19:22.56 | levi | Well, maybe they're semi-deaf and cranking the volume on the headset way up. |
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| 19:23.41 | levi | Maybe there's some echo cancellation code in the softphone that can be enabled, or that accidentally got shut off? |
| 19:24.30 | unum | levi: that was my thought(the deaf thing) |
| 19:25.00 | unum | I've intentionally disabled the echo cancellation on all of them because it causes skipping |
| 19:25.10 | unum | thanks for your help |
| 19:25.26 | unum | it looks like I can see their sound settings through alsamixer |
| 19:25.38 | unum | and ya the gain was at 100% on hers |
| 19:26.14 | levi | Huh. It shouldn't cause skipping, although it can create some distortion and sound artifacts. |
| 19:26.43 | levi | Voice activity detection can cause clipping of the beginning/ending of phrases if it's too aggressive. |
| 19:28.19 | levi | For someone that's hard of hearing, maybe you'll need a different headset with better sound isolation between the speaker and microphone. |
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| 19:40.54 | youtah | HOLY CRAP TodPunk |
| 19:41.03 | TodPunk | right? |
| 19:42.36 | TodPunk | "We'd like a well educated, extremely experience sysadmin that knows everything about windows and linux stuff, plus networking and security things, obviously. Pay: 50-70k DoE, because we're totes competitive" |
| 19:42.54 | RyanE | ironic that the company is named "Worth Unlimited". |
| 19:43.01 | RyanE | I'm guessing "Worth Not Much" is more like it. |
| 19:44.01 | youtah | This is what I am thinking about posting |
| 19:44.01 | levi | Their worth is not limited in the negative direction either, apparently. |
| 19:44.04 | youtah | as a sub comment to yours |
| 19:44.19 | youtah | Just to back up Tod's statement, the majority of Senior System Engineers I personally know along the Wasatch front, make $90-$130k. Those seem to be very entry level wages. Utah's very very short in supply with Senior Systems Engineers. |
| 19:44.33 | youtah | Think I should post it? |
| 19:44.36 | TodPunk | Mention that the degree requirement is extremely limiting |
| 19:44.45 | youtah | I feel like he's just going to ignore it. |
| 19:44.49 | youtah | unless it's backed up |
| 19:44.58 | RyanE | even if it is, likely. :) |
| 19:44.59 | TodPunk | I think you should, yeah |
| 19:45.22 | RyanE | I'd post something, but I don't facebook, and posting it as my wife may not bolster the argument. :) |
| 19:45.34 | TodPunk | hahahhaa |
| 19:45.35 | youtah | lol |
| 19:45.37 | TodPunk | fair enough |
| 19:45.39 | youtah | Posted |
| 19:45.51 | RyanE | Ryan's Wife thinks you guys are asking wayy too little. :) |
| 19:46.26 | levi | It says "Senior Systems Engineer" but the details in the comment say "Senior Systems Administrator". Not that it makes the salary range better. |
| 19:46.34 | TodPunk | yeah |
| 19:48.19 | levi | Recruiter clearly does not know what either job description means. |
| 19:48.26 | levi | Er, either job title. |
| 19:49.43 | TodPunk | I would expect that more from a general recruiter, not an in-house |
| 19:49.50 | TodPunk | unless the company is shit |
| 19:49.58 | TodPunk | that is likely the explanation |
| 19:56.57 | youtah | yeah |
| 19:57.04 | youtah | either way, he's out of touch |
| 19:57.28 | youtah | omg my allergies |
| 19:57.31 | youtah | they're killingme |
| 19:59.55 | levi | Apparently there's also a trend in HR departments to label certain IT jobs as "Systems Engineer, IT". But the actual job requirements don't sound particularly systems-engineery, even at an IT level. |
| 20:00.25 | youtah | because engineer is a buzz word |
| 20:00.25 | unum | when they end up with nothing but entry level applications, they still won't figure it out :) |
| 20:00.30 | youtah | sounds more intelecutal |
| 20:00.48 | youtah | *intellectual |
| 20:00.50 | youtah | lol |
| 20:01.03 | youtah | slaughtered that one |
| 20:01.24 | unum | I know a company that tried to fill a much broader position with a similiar pay range |
| 20:01.27 | levi | Well, there's such a thing as IT systems, and they'd probably turn out better if you had trained systems engineers involved. |
| 20:01.31 | unum | it didn't work out well |
| 20:03.24 | unum | and that was 6 years ago |
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| 20:16.37 | programmerq | I think it was this channel where someone told me about politicalcompass.org |
| 20:17.15 | programmerq | that puts me basically in the middle too. slightly to the economic right, and slightly on the libertarian side of things, but basically the middle. |
| 20:36.57 | unum | it was me |
| 20:37.50 | unum | it's a european chart so middle of the chart is to left of most american politicians |
| 20:38.05 | unum | I gues it's to the right of sanders |
| 20:42.36 | knine | I like the recruiters who tell me they have a great Linux opportunity, then I look in the job description and it's all Windows, and Linux is mentioned 5th bullet under "bonus skills" |
| 20:43.56 | jlp_znc | well, isn't that great? |
| 20:45.48 | programmerq | unum: interesting. |
| 20:46.15 | programmerq | unum: I used to identify as much more conservative, but there are enough points that I've changed my views on that pull me to the middleish I guess |
| 20:46.17 | programmerq | shrugs |
| 20:47.15 | programmerq | but some "conservative" things are just frustrating. for example, most of those quizzes will ask whether I prefer punishment or rehabilitation when it comes to prisoners. I probably would have said punishment at some point in the past, but that's obviously not working, and is quite expensive. |
| 20:47.50 | programmerq | so I might answer "rehab" now, which probably tosses me to the left a bit. |
| 20:48.09 | programmerq | does that mean I'm not conservative because I recognize that our current prison system is really really off the mark? |
| 20:48.16 | programmerq | labels suck |
| 20:49.43 | programmerq | at the same time, if I lived in some other country, I'd probably change my answer back to "punish"-- I was talking to someone from the netherlands. This topic of prison came up. They cited a case where |
| 20:49.57 | programmerq | a guy wasn't happy with some politician, so he assassinated him. |
| 20:50.16 | programmerq | procured a weapon, went and hid in a parking lot and ambushed the dude. |
| 20:50.24 | programmerq | the killer got 5 years prison and is out. |
| 20:51.01 | TodPunk | Is he now a threat to others? |
| 20:51.12 | TodPunk | because, despite what we're used to here, 5 years is a long time |
| 20:51.27 | TodPunk | So the real point is the outcome, not the time |
| 20:52.32 | programmerq | it's true, but this is going back to the "punish" question. This is a pretty severe case, and is a bigger deal than a "regular" murder. in my mind, it's an assault on the democratic process-- assassinating an elected official is really an attack on something bigger than _just_ your target. |
| 20:53.15 | programmerq | the bigger point though is that my answer would probably sway based on the prison system of whatever jurisdiction I live in. |
| 20:54.06 | levi | What is the point of the "punishment", though? |
| 20:55.09 | programmerq | the simplest would be to serve as a deterrant for others, but at the scale it's happening here in the US, it loses that effect in my opinion. |
| 20:56.23 | levi | There's more to it than just "punish" vs. "reform". Often people who want "punish" don't care so much about deterrence (although they hope it will be a side-effect) as some notion of balanced retribution. |
| 20:57.18 | unum | prison is much more a deterrent for some than others. A felony conviction could ruing my life |
| 20:57.25 | unum | but if you already have a felony conviction... |
| 20:58.09 | levi | I.e., it's not so much about the utility as it is about balancing some abstract scale of justice. |
| 20:58.42 | levi | You commit a crime, so you *deserve* some punishment, so we must mete it out. |
| 21:00.00 | TodPunk | levi: yeah, the "punish" answer is usually some nonsense about "justice" which they can't really define |
| 21:00.03 | levi | A lot of people have these notions all jumbled together in their idea of punishment. |
| 21:00.29 | TodPunk | there are a few less common reasonings, though |
| 21:00.39 | TodPunk | deterrent is one, but doesn't bear out in data |
| 21:00.59 | TodPunk | a better one is removing problem children from the mix, but this is expensive |
| 21:05.05 | levi | It's difficult to remove people from the mix, and most of the ways of doing it are both expensive *and* otherwise problematic. |
| 21:06.11 | levi | The first problem is that we generally feel strongly about *not* removing people who are incorrectly identified as the problem children. |
| 21:06.41 | TodPunk | sure, my point is just that it can work with reality where as "deterrent" doesn't mesh with how criminal acts happen and the motives that start them |
| 21:07.21 | TodPunk | I definitely would never say it's efficient or helpful to society |
| 21:07.37 | levi | Oh, I definitely agree there. I don't think many people give much thought to *why* criminal behavior occurs. |
| 21:09.33 | levi | I think the idea of punishment as deterrence has value, but only to a point. I mean, there is a deterrence effect to traffic fines, but it's not a perfect one and raising the fines probably won't improve the effect significantly. |
| 21:12.23 | TodPunk | Usually it starts and ends over awareness that something IS illegal and that there IS a punishment, but few could tell you the cash value of the punishment outside of legal workers |
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| 21:27.49 | jlp_znc | punishment as a deterrent does not work because criminals never think they will get caught |
| 21:28.11 | unum | it's nice to see I'm not the only one who gets more liberal as he gets older |
| 21:45.15 | jfindlay | is it just me, or is gmail's interface way more refreshing and useful in 'basic HTML' mode? |
| 21:45.37 | jfindlay | aside from all the nags about not using the spiffed down version |
| 21:46.12 | jlp_znc | jfindlay: I find gmail's interface way more refreshing and useful in Thunderbird. |
| 21:47.29 | jfindlay | jlp_znc: I use thunderbird. On the rare occasions I have to log into the web interface, I hover in the lower right corner and click the 'basic HTML' opt-in |
| 21:47.37 | jfindlay | ~thunderbird++ |
| 21:48.20 | jfindlay | if mozilla drops thunderbird, like they're threatening, it seems I'll have to switch to fossamail |
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| 21:49.42 | programmerq | I thought they already did? |
| 21:50.06 | jfindlay | right, but they're still hosting the project |
| 21:50.17 | jfindlay | at least I thought they were |
| 21:50.17 | programmerq | ah, they're threatening that now? sheesh. |
| 21:50.29 | TodPunk | I want a web based thing I can host on my own that isn't a Zimbra sized mess |
| 21:50.37 | TodPunk | a mail server shouldn't take that much resources |
| 21:50.45 | jfindlay | well, I don't know for certain, but mozilla has a record of doing stupid things, so I'm wary |
| 21:51.17 | jfindlay | TodPunk: have you looked at kolab or owncloud |
| 21:51.21 | jfindlay | mailinabox? |
| 21:52.33 | jfindlay | programmerq: yeah, I'm not sure, so shouldn't have asserted that, but still I'm concerned about the future of the best mail client |
| 21:53.16 | TodPunk | owncloud is an ideology in a box, no thank you |
| 21:53.37 | TodPunk | kolab sounds similar, but I admittedly haven't looked at it |
| 21:54.14 | TodPunk | I'd also like a bridge between facebook and something federated that we can all switch to, but that's just me dreaming |
| 21:54.29 | TodPunk | (and if anyone mentions Diaspora they lose their credibility priveleges for the day) |
| 21:54.40 | jfindlay | diasporia |
| 21:54.44 | jfindlay | :-) |
| 21:54.50 | jfindlay | identi.ca |
| 21:55.21 | jfindlay | I'm trying out kolabnow.com right now |
| 21:55.37 | jfindlay | you pay them for hosting |
| 21:56.15 | jfindlay | kolab also does calendars, documents, and files |
| 21:56.25 | unum | I run squirrel mail for my family members that want a web interface |
| 21:56.43 | jfindlay | tutanota.com does similar things, but only mail so far |
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| 22:01.11 | TodPunk | For now I just host my mail (for free) on Google Apps |
| 22:01.49 | programmerq | I run my own mailserver. I'm pretty tired of it. |
| 22:01.56 | programmerq | I need to migrate my inbox to gapps |
| 22:02.05 | programmerq | I do have a grandfathered gapps account |
| 22:02.33 | TodPunk | A small network box that's like $100 that does all the things with a nice web interface is probably in my future (router, ad blocker, port forwarder, mail server, blog thingy, gallery viewer, backup box, etc) |
| 22:02.52 | TodPunk | programmerq: me too, or I wouldn't have been using it all this time =cP |
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| 23:58.54 | shalkie | unum: I also use squirrle mail for the same reason. :) |