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15:36.53manithreeTIL don't grill in the garage: http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/central/orem/barbecue-malfunction-causes-house-fire-in-orem/article_6caa45f5-de4e-5803-b636-12a3e99ed9d3.html
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15:56.03eightyeightanyone else see the chinese space junk burn up it the sky last night? https://twitter.com/AaronToponce/status/758527895753019392
15:58.04programmerqthat's pretty neat
15:58.27eightyeightit was awesome. only lasted about 10 seconds. maybe a touch longer.
15:58.32eightyeightfantastic sight
15:58.38programmerqit must have been way way high up
15:59.05Migsstuff made in China always falls apart
15:59.12Migsbuy American
16:00.16programmerqamerican made: https://youtu.be/BSr4hUcROwo?t=238
16:00.16jlp_zncnew candidate for president 2016: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFeJJAQPiK4
16:00.40eightyeightMigs: got news for you. the atmosphere isn't picky. it'll burn up american products just as easily
16:00.54Migssounds like Chinese propaganda
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16:01.45programmerqbut then again, also american made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jEz03Z8azc
16:02.27jfindlayyou just have to hope it all burns to vapor before it hits the ground
16:03.06eightyeightalso made in america: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ups4FeSuHvY
16:03.44eightyeight(language. possibly nsfw)
16:04.27spangbornCurrent status: http://i.imgur.com/ceOdYEB.jpg
16:05.09spangborn(The one in the chair is a friend's dog I'm puppysitting.)
16:08.47jlp_zncthere are some dogs there
16:12.37jlp_znchttps://www.spiceworks.com/itcards/off-and-on-again/
16:20.01eightyeighthttps://twitter.com/AaronToponce/status/758697980396396545
16:38.54youtah~trump jlp_znc
16:38.54infobotACTION sends jlp_znc down an escalator
16:40.46jlp_znchey!
16:41.03jlp_zncdude, I tried to get you on the radio this morning when you called out for gordon...
16:41.15jlp_zncI've got a new speaker-mic... maybe the mic part isn't working?
16:41.43jfindlay~trump youtah
16:41.43infobotACTION deports youtah
16:41.47jlp_zncalso tried to respond to a CQ and it seemed I wasn't heard
16:41.58spangbornhttp://i.imgur.com/h9S4XMM.jpg
16:42.09spangbornAlta has good taste in colleges.
16:42.14jlp_zncdid you hear any no or low audio transmissions after you called for K7HFV?
16:43.52jlp_zncspangborn: https://goo.gl/photos/1jf48xSrsRm5skDJ6  <- I found this looking at me one time when I was "working" from home
16:44.05spangbornD'aww
16:44.15spangbornCollie?
16:44.23jlp_zncblue heeler
16:44.41spangbornAwesome dogs.
16:44.49jlp_zncmy daughter's
16:45.30youtahI didn't hear a thing
16:45.35youtahI heard a kerchunk and that was it
16:45.37youtahzero audio
16:45.39youtahnada
16:45.42jlp_znchmmm
16:46.05jlp_zncit's a cheap-o baofung speaker-mic, but it should be compatible with my kenwood.  
16:46.15jlp_zncthe speaker part seems to work fine.
16:47.11youtahWell that makes me sad
16:48.15jlp_zncit was only like $4, so I'm not too bent out of shape about it.  you have a baofung radio, don't you?  maybe we could try it on a genuine baofung rig and make sure it's not just something weird about my kenwood.
16:48.25youtahyeah
16:48.27youtahwe can try it
16:48.31youtahI doubt it though
16:48.44youtahbecause it keyed up the repeater
16:48.47youtahso the signal was there
16:48.51youtahjust missing the audio
16:49.00jlp_zncit's probably shoddy construction inside the mic, but I dunno.
16:49.41jlp_zncI wish I was still at fusion-io... could wire it up to a scope in the lab and see if it's getting anything.
16:52.11youtahlol
16:52.14jlp_zncaccording to the schematic, the PTT is supposed to be a switch between the shields on the two plugs
16:52.15youtahI dont know how to use them
16:52.21youtahso they're usless to me
16:52.46jlp_zncso PTT could work fine but the mic just isn't connected (or isn't powered, or something else)
16:54.36jlp_zncI know on my TH-F6A, the speaker/mic plugs can be configured for either speaker mic, data, or programming, but I think on my TH-D72 it's not configurable.
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17:37.21youtahhttp://imgur.com/gallery/PAmNt
17:38.36jfindlayhttp://photos.com/my_cool_picture.gif
17:38.49youtah404
17:38.52youtahas always
17:38.57jfindlaylol
17:39.13youtahhttp://i.imgur.com/Tln8hlP.jpg
18:06.38SunSparcyoutah: sad :(
18:07.57SunSparcBut if we look at the science sector, we find Tesla with self-driving electric cars, and SpaceX with rockets that take stuff to space and then land themselves again.
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19:03.11jlp_zncyeah, it only took 65 years to get rockets to fly and land like they thought they would in the 50s (under rocket poweor).
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19:30.19youtahsad indeed
19:30.45eightyeightunum: http://aarontoponce.org/presents/
19:35.00voldemortensen2an eightyeight production
19:35.16voldemortensen2in conjuction with eightyeight media
19:36.01youtahI am confused
19:36.12youtahwithout digging into this... what am I looking at?
19:36.41youtahOh
19:37.01youtahis reading the random numbers slide from 2015
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19:38.38youtahSo eightyeight ..... what you're saying is that rand() isn't good enough?
19:39.01eightyeightyoutah: ?
19:39.07youtahj/k
19:39.11youtahI just got to the last slide
19:40.11youtahI was loking at your random numbers slide. That was a random (get it?) psudo class called rand(), and I was joking that apparently it isn't good enough, after looking at your slide.
19:40.43youtahand I love the fact that you have a section in here for "rude remarks"
19:42.17eightyeightheh
19:42.52eightyeighti had a professor who would say that when he paused for questions:
19:42.58eightyeight"any questions, comments, or rude remarks?"
19:43.00eightyeightit stuck
19:43.07youtahI am SO stealing it for my presentations
19:43.30youtahAvoid Vanilla MD5?!?!?!?
19:43.33eightyeightstill needs to clean the directory structure up a bit
19:43.36youtahIT COMES IN FLAVORS!??!?!?!
19:43.41eightyeight:)
19:43.41youtahjk
19:43.54youtahlol, avoid rot13
19:44.03youtah~rot13 eightyeight
19:44.03infobotrvtuglrvtug
19:44.10eightyeightyou'd be surprised
19:44.15youtahwait
19:44.20youtahyou mean like people actually use it?
19:44.24youtahfor more than just jokes?
19:44.28eightyeightyup
19:44.48youtahbtw, I think that ~rot13 just gave you a new nickname: tugtug
19:44.54eightyeighti've audited a number of different projects, and seen some custom in-house solutions
19:45.15eightyeightlike base64(rot13(password))
19:45.20eightyeightor rot13(base64(password))
19:45.28jfindlay~trump youtah
19:45.29infobotACTION orange frosts youtah's hair
19:45.31eightyeightand others
19:45.43youtahwell, I guess it depends on how "Secure" they really want it, right?
19:45.44eightyeightlooks for that php project that had... an interesting solution
19:45.52youtahif it is just to obfuscate and not encrypt
19:46.13eightyeight1) it shouldn't be obfuscated
19:46.17eightyeight2) it shouldn't be encrypted
19:46.22eightyeight:)
19:46.39voldemortensen2It should be plain text.
19:46.46youtahlol voldemortensen
19:47.02youtahwell, and I wasn't nessicarly referring to passwords, but whatever text they're storing in general
19:47.11jfindlayencryption is still only obfuscation, but requiring a more super turing machine to solve
19:47.20youtahDangit. Now I wish I could have seen your presentation at OpenWest
19:47.33eightyeightstoring passwords?
19:47.38youtahyeah
19:47.43eightyeightthat talk was approved for saintcon
19:47.48eightyeighti'll be giving it again in oct
19:47.56youtahwhere will SaintCon be held?
19:48.02youtahhasnt looked
19:48.04eightyeightprovo. ugh.
19:48.10voldemortensenUtah Valley Conference Center
19:48.17jfindlay~trump eightyeight
19:48.17infobotACTION deports eightyeight
19:48.22youtahOh, so that's not that far away
19:48.26eightyeightpfft
19:48.35eightyeightlike, 100 thousand miles
19:48.43youtahI can sneak you some caffinated beverages
19:48.45eightyeightliked the WSU location
19:48.50youtahI have a hidden stash down here in Utah County
19:48.53voldemortensenI liked it in Ogden too.
19:49.21voldemortensenBecause it meant I didn't have to go home each night. Half the reason I go to conferences is to go mess with the stuff I learned during the day.
19:49.55eightyeightah. here it is
19:50.05youtah~twss
19:50.05infobotThat's what she said!
19:50.06eightyeightstrrev(base64_encode($pass));
19:50.14youtahlol
19:50.59youtahokay
19:51.02youtahso I shouldn't use LastPass
19:51.04youtahapparently
19:51.45voldemortensenNot if you're the type that clicks random links.
19:52.15youtahin a single tweet, what *should* I be using for *cough cough* windows *cough cough*
19:52.36eightyeightKeePass
19:52.42voldemortensenThat's what I use.
19:53.19spangbornPWSafe works, too.
19:53.25spangbornI'm a 1Password guy though
19:54.26youtah1Password had all sorts of vulerabilities that were leaked like... a year ago weren't there?
19:54.52youtahmisses TrueCrypt
19:56.28youtahThe problem with using all of these OS specific, built in, encryption softwares, is that I can no longer have a single container that can be stored on a thumb drive, and used across multiple OS's
19:56.59youtahI like the cross platform functionality of True Crypt
19:57.50youtahI havent tried VeraCrypt yet however
19:58.31voldemortensenSpeaking of vulnerabilities, if you like pen testing and stuff, the bug bounty programs on hackerone.com are pretty sweet.
19:58.47youtahsame with BugCrowd
19:59.29voldemortensenThe top reporter on hackerone got $40k in one month awhile back.
20:01.14programmerqwow
20:01.29programmerqI should spend more time learning pentesting tooling.
20:01.30youtahRegarding VeraCrypt... "Phase I of the audit was successfully completed on 14 April 2014, finding "no evidence of backdoors or malicious code."[28] Phase II of the audit was successfully completed on 2 April 2015, finding "no evidence of deliberate backdoors, or any severe design flaws that will make the software insecure in most instances."0,00"
20:02.14youtahdeliberate backdoors
20:03.13youtahCrypto prof: "Nothing terrible is in there, so that's reassuring."
20:03.19youtahlol
20:09.43youtahapparently I put everyone to sleep
20:10.49RyanEyawns
20:11.07RyanEI'm blaming the blood donation yesterday and staying up until 3 last night.
20:11.23spangbornYes you did: http://i.imgur.com/zj8ID0J.jpg
20:11.59youtahCute snoozin
20:11.59RyanEdogs don't need help sleeping...
20:12.18spangbornHaha youtah: This is @MrZupon's dog
20:12.34youtahi couldnt tell
20:12.42youtahdoes he work with you?
20:12.44spangbornI'm puppysitting.
20:12.48youtahahhh
20:12.55spangborn6 month old black lab.
20:13.08youtahit's not easy being a puppy
20:13.13youtahso many things to chew...
20:13.24spangbornLike Lira's leg.
20:13.33spangbornMy dogs are passed out because the puppy ran them ragged
20:18.49leviUgh, my brain hurts after reviewing a code change involving a bunch of numeric format conversions and timestamp-based calculations with multiple clocks and ratios/offsets between them.
20:19.44youtahice bucket challenge levi ... cool off the ole noggin
20:19.56youtahit's the only way
20:21.48leviHad to look up WTF a 'long double' translates to... the answer being "it depends" of course, but in this case probably an 80-bit extended precision format particular to x86.
20:27.56leviAnd by "format conversions" I mean stuff like ratios stored as offset scaled fixed-point binary fractions.
20:29.40jfindlaywhy don't they just call it a triple?
20:30.30RyanEdouble double, extra cheese
20:30.42leviTake your ratio, subtract one, multiply by 2^41, then store in a 32-bit integer! Now use that ratio to scale a timestamp in a similarly screwy format without trashing all your precision!
20:31.38RyanEand at the same time, rub your belly and pat your head.
20:42.11leviThink about what happens when converting back to a ratio, especially if you store it in a floating point format.
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20:55.26SunSparc~headasplode
21:09.23leviHint: you probably want to avoid adding the 1.0 back.
21:12.18youtahhttps://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p480x480/13654406_1840726266157514_7086372671656324328_n.jpg?oh=46c48c7d035e5cbabe36f071e03e99b1&oe=582CAD5B
21:12.41youtahExtra long link just for jfindlay
21:13.26youtahhttp://tinyurl.com/jfindlay-loves-long-links
21:16.11jfindlaynice
21:16.21youtahlol
21:16.25jfindlaylolstats
21:16.52youtah~lolstats
21:16.54infobottotal count of lol on #utah: 2063.  Top 3: youtah -- 969 (47.0%), keldwud -- 115 (5.6%), Q_Continuum -- 63 (3.1%)
21:17.00youtah69, nice
21:17.30youtahlol
21:17.33youtah30 away
21:17.41youtah~lolstats
21:17.41infobottotal count of lol on #utah: 2064.  Top 3: youtah -- 970 (47.0%), keldwud -- 115 (5.6%), Q_Continuum -- 63 (3.1%)
21:17.45youtahBOOM
21:17.49youtahI am getting so close!
21:17.54spangbornTWSS
21:18.05youtahI think you meant
21:18.07youtah~twss
21:18.07infobotThat's what she said!
21:18.18youtahlol
21:18.24spangbornI'm old fashioned. I prefer to type things out.
21:18.39jfindlay~trump spangborn
21:18.39infobotACTION makes spangborn great again
21:18.43youtahlol
21:18.52jfindlay~hillary youtah
21:18.53infobotACTION hides a scandal from youtah
21:19.05youtahOhhhh, nice
21:21.19eightyeight~nicestats
21:21.30spangborn~lolcats
21:21.30infobotextra, extra, read all about it, lolcats is http://icanhascheezburger.com/?random
21:21.38eightyeight~hehstats
21:21.38infobottotal count of heh on #utah: 1564.  Top 3: eightyeight -- 472 (30.2%), fozzmoo -- 152 (9.7%), harleypig -- 140 (9.0%)
21:21.47spangbornheh
21:22.36youtahlooks like fozzmoo needs to step it up. eightyeight is on fire!
21:22.44youtahlike the Berners at the DNC
21:24.36youtahhttp://i.imgur.com/ghnYTzf.gifv
21:25.23spangbornIs it just me, or does this look really stupid? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_CEbcg7dwE
21:28.21youtahteam work http://i.imgur.com/6TOktQ5.gif
21:29.44spangbornNow kith
21:31.32youtahlol
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21:48.29youtahjlp_znc, we need to get you setup with EchoLink
21:48.36youtahworks great on my Mobile Phone too
21:48.47youtah(Android)
21:49.05jlp_zncI hate trustfalls...
21:49.10youtahlol
21:49.19jlp_zncTrust no one.  Keep your laser handy.
21:49.31youtahhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3dB1P3AZRU
21:50.05youtahyeah, set yourself up with an EchoLink account
21:50.07youtah(free)
21:50.22jlp_zncI think I already have one.
21:50.34jlp_zncI had the app on my phone for a while.
21:52.45spangbornThis is for youtah: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUYSGojUuAU
21:54.35youtahah
21:54.40youtahthat is the New York remix
21:54.44youtahthere is a much better remix
21:56.25youtahThe Jake the Dog is the version Isaac likes more https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W5Ol1EqR7o
21:56.49youtahThe Ryden Ridge  Remix is the one I prefer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPPEdZ-rFBw
21:57.02youtahthat is the 10 hour version of the Ryden Ridge Remix btw
21:57.37youtahit repeats every couple of minutes
21:57.54youtahdont ask me how I know about the remixes
21:58.07jlp_znchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UysFwypRZc  <- prepper talks about what ham radio to buy... this guy is why I don't tell people I'm a ham radio operator. :-)
21:58.35youtahThere are a couple of guys I know that are freaking whackos
21:58.51youtahspangborn, yeah it is pretty much right on the 2 minute mark for repeating
22:04.10youtahjlp_znc, apparently he needs to educate himself
22:04.54youtahhe's trying to say or think of GMRS and FRS radios
22:05.21youtahplease don't suggest Baofengs
22:05.27youtahPLEASE Dont sugget Baofengs
22:06.08youtahoh thank heavens
22:06.13youtahnot a Baofeng
22:07.42jlp_zncno, he likes the Yaesu FT-60, but he recommends modding it to be able to illegally transmit on FRS and GMRS frequencies.
22:07.58youtahbtw... Jayce^ & jlp_znc when are you guys going to get your Extra Class license and join me?
22:08.03youtahthe weather's great up here!
22:08.59jlp_zncI don't even have my general.
22:09.12jlp_zncnor do I have any $$ to buy an HF radio. :-)
22:10.00jlp_zncso, if you watch to the end, he does say that you shouldn't key up on any frequencies outside the ham bands... unless it is an emergency (in which case, yes, it's legal)
22:10.32jlp_zncI have not modded my radios.
22:10.58jlp_zncI've thought about doing the MARS/CAP mod, but haven't yet.
22:11.47jlp_znchttp://www.worldwidedx.com/threads/kenwood-th-d72-extended-tx-mod.85009/
22:12.34youtahit's not the gray area of legality
22:12.36youtahROFL
22:12.40youtahThere is NOTHING legal about it
22:12.51youtahIt is not Type Accepted by the FCC
22:12.58youtahit also has a removable antenna
22:13.28youtahthe Bandwidth is 25khz (20khz + 5khz deviation)
22:13.34youtahFRS and GMRS require 12.5
22:14.05youtahnot to mention the power. 0.5 watts is the max output for FRS
22:14.12jlp_zncGMRS allows a removable antenna
22:14.18jlp_zncand up to 25 watts!
22:14.29spangbornbuys a Baofeng
22:14.35youtahlol
22:14.46youtahoh, at least he just said
22:14.49spangbornInterest in ham: approximately zero
22:14.52jlp_znc50 Watts!
22:14.54youtah"you can get into a lot of trouble with these"
22:15.00youtahI was going to say, I think it is 50 watts
22:15.30spangbornMy average power output on my bike is 200watts
22:15.59jfindlayhow many electronvolts is that?
22:16.58spangbornHah.
22:16.59youtahninetyleven
22:17.12spangborn(I recently got a power meter, which is kinda fun.)
22:17.57youtahyou should get into ham radio spangborn ... you'd like it
22:18.05youtaheightyeight, you have your license don't you?
22:18.05jlp_znc"No station may transmit with more than 50 watts output power."  A fixed station must transmit with no more than 15 watts output power.
22:18.15eightyeightyoutah: yes
22:18.21jlp_zncA small base station must transmit with no more than 5 watts ERP.
22:18.41youtahand I think GMRS has a maximum height of like 20-25 feet
22:18.44jlp_zncA small control station at a point north of Line A or east of Line C must transmit with no more than 5 watts ERP.
22:18.44youtahor something like that
22:18.47youtaheightyeight, what class?
22:18.51eightyeightextra
22:18.55youtahah cool
22:20.53SunSparc~Baofeng spangborn
22:21.26youtahbaofengs are great radios...
22:21.36youtahfor throwing into trees to pull up lines to hang you dipoles with
22:21.45SunSparcBut the kids love them!
22:21.48youtahyour
22:21.49jlp_zncheh heh
22:22.27SunSparcconsidered a Baofeng seriously before getting his Yaesu
22:23.04youtahBaofengs are great for an introductory radio... like getting a goldfish to see if you want a pet
22:23.14SunSparcAgreed
22:23.14youtahif it dies you can flush it down the toilet with no hurt feelings
22:23.44SunSparcOr for giving to your kids who just got their license but are still learning how not to break expensive electronics.
22:23.53youtahyup
22:24.16jlp_znchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyWlJPNLPf8
22:25.43youtahnow that being said, I have two of them
22:25.55youtahlol
22:28.33SunSparc:)
22:28.42SunSparcThat is a great old clip jlp_znc
22:36.35youtahSunSparc, have you heard Noji tell the story about the operator who saved a town after Hurricane Sandy?
22:37.01SunSparcyoutah: Not yet.
22:37.05youtahknocked their bridge out and they were isolated
22:37.12youtahno power, phone or internet
22:37.23youtahthe operator was able to inform them that they needed assistance
22:37.38youtahMayor (6 months later) went to visit the operator and say thank you
22:37.52youtahonly then did he find out that the was a 14 year old boy with his General Class license
22:38.00youtahthat got his license in scouting
22:40.11SunSparcThat is awesome!
22:40.56youtahWere you at the UVARC meeting?
22:41.00youtahand hear the Nepal story?
22:41.05youtahfrom 2014/2015?
22:41.10youtah(can't remember when)
22:41.15SunSparcNo. I have not yet been to a meeting.
22:41.23youtahthe most recent big 7.0+ Earthquake in Nepal
22:41.34youtahGuy out of Denver first got the signals from Nepal
22:41.42youtahthey went for 3 days with zero help
22:42.08youtahno one believed his distress call, because no one had heard anything on the news about a large quake.
22:42.25youtahit wasnt until the guy in Denver picked it up and was able to contact authorities
22:42.47SunSparcWow.
22:42.55youtahthey didnt believe him either, until 12 hours went by and no one could get a hold of anyone by phone or the internet
22:43.24youtah6 months previous, the Nepal government had had a "great shake out" drill
22:43.30youtahand said that it was a waste of time
22:43.37youtahand told them never again
22:43.45youtahThe guy that got out only got his license for the drill
22:44.15youtahand it was an old US Military radio that had been modified to use the 20 meter band
22:44.33SunSparcWith all the "modern" tech we have, it is amazing how useful and reliable some of our older technologies still are.
22:45.12youtahI've yet to see anyone bounce a cell phone off the ionosphere and ocean all the way to Japan
22:45.39SunSparcSeriously! Or call an ISS astronaut.
22:46.20youtahanyway, that is the story Noji tells. I haven't even looked it up or read it
22:46.43SunSparcSeems like a trustworthy guy. ;)
22:48.27SunSparcI need to get a headset so I can monitor the radio when I am around other people without being bothersome.
22:48.55SunSparcThe wife finds it amusing how I take the radio everywhere.
22:50.24jlp_zncI generally only take the radio when we're going out of town or I'm out by myself.
22:50.51jlp_zncwife and kids find it annoying if I have it on.  I take it when we're going out of town for emergency use if needed.
22:51.06jlp_znchaven't needed it yet, but I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
22:51.15SunSparcYeah, it can be as distracting as any other device. :)
22:52.19jlp_zncI want to get a good yagi for space comms... I think that would be fun, and my radio can transmit and receive at the same time (on different bands) so would be ideal for that.
22:52.52jlp_znchttp://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/information/faqs/crow/
22:54.55jlp_zncbut realistically this is what I want: http://www.arrowantennas.com/arrowii/146-437.html
23:08.18*** join/#utah olli (~olli@73.98.143.0)
23:10.21SunSparcjlp_znc: Cool!
23:12.16SunSparcwants to talk to astronauts...

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