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| 00:01.17 | Vibrasian | Curious.. has anyone here done business with https://www.greenpolkadotbox.com/ ?? |
| 03:59.06 | levi | Sweet, there's a video of Peter Landin giving a talk online. |
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| 05:59.27 | youtah | ~karma youtah |
| 05:59.27 | infobot | youtah has karma of -16 |
| 05:59.38 | youtah | ~karma spangborn |
| 05:59.38 | infobot | spangborn has karma of 3 |
| 05:59.47 | youtah | ~karma TodPunk |
| 05:59.47 | infobot | todpunk has karma of 4 |
| 06:00.02 | TodPunk | and all was right with the univers |
| 06:00.04 | TodPunk | e |
| 06:04.39 | youtah | ~spangborn-- |
| 06:04.44 | youtah | for not being here late at night |
| 06:05.02 | youtah | ~trump TodPunk |
| 06:05.02 | infobot | ACTION fires TodPunk |
| 06:05.21 | TodPunk | True story: I've only ever once been fired |
| 06:05.31 | TodPunk | It was reduced to a two weeks notice 10 minutes later |
| 06:05.47 | TodPunk | The next morning I was "forgiven" and I already had resumes out |
| 06:06.11 | TodPunk | That was a 4 month job for some probably not unrelated reason |
| 06:06.25 | TodPunk | Pro Tip: If you're the CEO, don't be achild |
| 06:06.55 | youtah | lol |
| 06:07.02 | youtah | thats a good pro-tip |
| 06:07.10 | youtah | that unfortunately too many CEOs need to hear |
| 06:07.24 | youtah | or CTOs |
| 06:07.30 | youtah | or C*O's |
| 06:07.52 | TodPunk | The issue with execs is it's easy to see these mistakes and sweep them under the rug, because they don't cause fallout immediately, just slowly over years |
| 06:07.59 | TodPunk | It's measurable if you watch it, though |
| 06:08.36 | TodPunk | It's a tough way to work, since you sort of have to be your own accountability mode |
| 06:08.57 | TodPunk | https://twitter.com/jennifurret/status/751381141626556416 |
| 06:13.06 | youtah | did you see that city on Colorado who's main water supply had high levels of THC in it? |
| 06:13.21 | youtah | and they had to shut off everyones water? |
| 06:13.29 | youtah | and flush the system? |
| 06:13.30 | youtah | lol |
| 06:14.14 | TodPunk | That's awesome |
| 06:14.37 | TodPunk | Wonder when we'll finally make that stuff legal in Utah |
| 06:15.06 | youtah | oh, apparently now they're saying that the results were negative |
| 06:15.07 | youtah | lol |
| 06:15.10 | youtah | MAKE UP YOUR MINDS! |
| 06:15.12 | youtah | http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/07/24/487257325/colorado-officials-say-its-safe-to-get-back-in-the-water-after-brief-thc-scare |
| 06:15.21 | TodPunk | Just can't have nice things |
| 06:15.28 | youtah | Nice |
| 06:19.26 | TodPunk | sleeps, as he must get up in 5 and a half hours |
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| 12:31.11 | spangborn | ~spangborn++ |
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| 15:11.35 | RyanE | later. |
| 15:11.40 | RyanE | wrong window... :) |
| 15:11.43 | RyanE | earlier. |
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| 15:29.35 | Vibrasian | spangborn I just leveled up man. I'm moving up in life. Level 2! |
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| 16:18.17 | jfindlay | ~napoleon |
| 16:18.17 | infobot | Pedro offers you his protection. |
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| 17:29.36 | youtah | sure is quiet in here |
| 17:31.39 | shalkie | ~tickle youtah |
| 17:31.39 | infobot | ACTION jumps on youtah, yelling "TICKLE FIGHT!!!!" |
| 17:31.46 | youtah | lol |
| 17:33.17 | unum | I can try and start a political fight |
| 17:33.34 | unum | I am actually very currious what all these hacked servers are running |
| 17:33.37 | unum | probably exchange |
| 17:33.51 | youtah | Mac |
| 17:33.56 | youtah | in a trash can |
| 17:34.14 | youtah | Exchange on a mac |
| 17:34.22 | shalkie | What hacked servers are we talking about? |
| 17:34.27 | youtah | Hillarys |
| 17:34.28 | unum | the dnc server |
| 17:34.36 | unum | I guess that's just one |
| 17:34.41 | unum | but ya I'd like to know hillary was running |
| 17:34.48 | unum | and the state department |
| 17:34.57 | youtah | Windows 95 |
| 17:35.09 | unum | for some reason the main stream media never mentions any of that :) |
| 17:36.51 | youtah | https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160623/09170034795/emails-show-hillary-clintons-email-server-was-massive-security-headache-set-up-to-route-around-foia-requests.shtml |
| 17:38.06 | youtah | Everyone in the comments refers to it as being Exchange too |
| 17:39.26 | youtah | OMG |
| 17:39.30 | youtah | SHE USES A BLACKBERRY |
| 17:39.51 | youtah | "It was one of several occasions when email access to Clinton's BlackBerry smartphone was disrupted because her private server was down, according to the documents." |
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| 17:40.31 | youtah | Welcome jlp_znc |
| 17:41.22 | jfindlay | ~napoleon youtah |
| 17:41.22 | infobot | ACTION tames a wild honeymoon stallion for youtah |
| 17:42.39 | youtah | unum, it was Exchange |
| 17:43.06 | youtah | mail [dot] clintonemail [dot] com [slash] owa |
| 17:43.18 | youtah | They even have screen shots of it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_email_controversy |
| 17:43.31 | youtah | Exchange 2010 |
| 17:44.06 | youtah | So there ya go |
| 17:45.03 | youtah | they were registered to an Eric Hoteham |
| 17:45.07 | youtah | http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-email-mystery-man-eric-hoteham/story?id=29413827 |
| 17:45.40 | unum | thanks |
| 17:45.52 | unum | I figure some non mainstream source would have done the resarch |
| 17:46.06 | unum | I should have realived it would be as easy as checknig wikipedia |
| 17:46.44 | unum | of course I just assumed exchange because I read somewhere that the contractor that managed it managed other government email servers |
| 17:46.51 | unum | and they use exchange because it's expensive :) |
| 17:48.15 | youtah | atleast they had a TLS cert for the web portal |
| 17:48.20 | youtah | and it was signed |
| 17:56.09 | shalkie | I wonder if that will go on his resume "Managed Private Email server for top Diplomatic figure in US Government" |
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| 18:08.07 | jfindlay | youtah: was it signed in cursive? |
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| 19:24.49 | youtah | jfindlay, no, but it was signed with a golden sharpie |
| 19:24.57 | youtah | ... wait a minute! ... |
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| 19:36.28 | TodPunk | youtah: so clearly you're a Hillary supporter |
| 19:37.13 | youtah | TodPunk, http://i.imgur.com/yUe3ToT.gifv |
| 19:37.26 | youtah | that's what I think of Trump's posts |
| 19:38.47 | TodPunk | clearly |
| 19:39.09 | joshh | is anyone really a "supporter" of either candidate? |
| 19:39.20 | joshh | this is the worst election in my lifetime |
| 19:39.31 | youtah | agreed joshh |
| 19:42.48 | youtah | https://www.facebook.com/DailyWire/videos/1530429543919538/ << for TodPunk |
| 19:46.54 | TodPunk | You do seem angry. Is this you telling me you're voting for Trump? |
| 19:48.23 | unum | I think there are plenty of supporters of both |
| 19:48.30 | RyanE | "supporters" |
| 19:48.33 | unum | I know several people excited about Hillary |
| 19:48.49 | unum | around here you're not likely to find many of either |
| 19:48.58 | unum | but I think nationally there are quite a few |
| 19:49.01 | TodPunk | I'm excited about my yard being done |
| 19:49.04 | TodPunk | that's about it |
| 19:49.09 | youtah | no projecting your problems TodPunk |
| 19:49.11 | unum | I know a guy who's actively seeking to become a Trump surrogate |
| 19:49.20 | youtah | wut |
| 19:49.50 | TodPunk | is it... is it youtah? |
| 19:49.54 | RyanE | so he wants to have Trump's baby? Is that how it works? :) |
| 19:50.02 | unum | I think so..... |
| 19:50.11 | youtah | not a trump baby |
| 19:50.14 | youtah | just a trump |
| 19:50.18 | levi | TodPunk: Not quite done with the yard yet? |
| 19:50.18 | youtah | as a grown man |
| 19:50.25 | TodPunk | We already have 5 trump babies... |
| 19:50.28 | unum | we're not exactly on friendly terms(seeing as how I'm running to replace him in the state legislature) |
| 19:50.59 | TodPunk | levi: Just have to get about 4-6 wheelbarrows of rock out of the driveway/street and I'm done. The rest is up to Lorna and the kids (it's mostly evening out the dirt in the back and letting the seed go) |
| 19:51.00 | youtah | Giving birth to a Trump. Is that anything like dropping the kids off at the pool? |
| 19:51.56 | youtah | Apparently they're having a real problem with people urinating on Trumps Hollywood Star on the sidewalk |
| 19:52.39 | youtah | saw it on the Internet |
| 20:01.38 | levi | TodPunk: Rockloads of fun! :P |
| 20:02.02 | TodPunk | but of course |
| 20:03.00 | youtah | coarse rocks? opposed to fine? |
| 20:03.23 | TodPunk | 3/4" rocks |
| 20:03.29 | youtah | ~twss |
| 20:03.29 | infobot | That's what she said! |
| 20:04.42 | TodPunk | I have played right into your vile clutches? |
| 20:06.09 | jfindlay | ~nacho |
| 20:06.09 | infobot | Sometimes when you are a man you wear stretchy pants in your room all by yourself. |
| 20:06.26 | youtah | No no no... they aren't vile at all. Just positive clutches, friction clutches, clone clutches, single plated clutches, multi plated, diaphragm clutches, hydraulic, none of them are vile |
| 20:06.49 | TodPunk | clutches of +1 holding |
| 20:07.09 | youtah | spring, centrifugal, electro-magnetic, automatic, manual |
| 20:07.28 | TodPunk | Pokeymans |
| 20:07.47 | spangborn | falls asleep on keyboard |
| 20:25.05 | youtah | Verizon bought Yahoo?! |
| 20:25.12 | youtah | for $4.8 Billion |
| 20:25.22 | youtah | I could have purchased Yahoo for only 4.8B?! |
| 20:26.13 | RyanE | I don't understand why anyone would buy Yahoo!, but they already bought AOL, so maybe they're just going by what was popular in the '90's. :) |
| 20:26.20 | RyanE | or maybe '00's. |
| 20:27.00 | youtah | Remember when Yahoo was more or less a directoy? |
| 20:27.06 | youtah | Directory |
| 20:27.16 | RyanE | and then more or less irrelevant. |
| 20:27.50 | youtah | http://web.archive.org/web/19970227062641/http://www5.yahoo.com/ |
| 20:29.24 | RyanE | so according to my research, they should buy AltaVista next. :) |
| 20:31.03 | TodPunk | Dogpile! |
| 20:32.16 | youtah | WebCrawler |
| 20:32.17 | spangborn | Which is hysterical considering this: https://twitter.com/elanazak/status/757553862119133184 |
| 20:32.44 | youtah | Ouch |
| 20:32.45 | spangborn | $125B valuation, $44.B offer rejected, now sells for $4.8B |
| 20:32.52 | spangborn | How the mighty have fallne. |
| 20:32.55 | spangborn | *fallen |
| 20:33.31 | youtah | spangborn, here are all of the photographers |
| 20:33.36 | youtah | in 1996 |
| 20:33.46 | youtah | all ~760 of them according to Yahoo |
| 20:33.47 | youtah | http://web.archive.org/web/19961222002024/http://www.yahoo.com/Business_and_Economy/Companies/Photography/Photographers/ |
| 20:34.25 | spangborn | I don't see Tom Sparks on there |
| 20:34.38 | TodPunk | Was anyone alive in 1996 to take photographs of? |
| 20:34.42 | youtah | LOL |
| 20:34.48 | youtah | Look under Sparky |
| 20:35.07 | youtah | Fatali is on there |
| 20:35.14 | spangborn | I tried Googling him, but SafeSearch blocked all his photos |
| 20:35.33 | youtah | that's freaking hilarious |
| 20:35.42 | spangborn | (I'm kidding, but you get the idea.) |
| 20:37.37 | TodPunk | Tom Sparks? |
| 20:37.42 | TodPunk | I don't know who this is |
| 20:37.56 | youtah | He's a "photographer" |
| 20:38.00 | youtah | in Utah |
| 20:38.07 | youtah | gets millions of hits on his Flickr page |
| 20:38.23 | youtah | I remember him telling me one time "my photography work must be outstanding" |
| 20:39.21 | youtah | http://web.archive.org/web/19961224040335/http://www.yahoo.com/Computers_and_Internet/Programming_Languages/Python/ |
| 20:39.24 | youtah | Python in 1996 |
| 20:39.48 | TodPunk | More sugar has been added since |
| 20:39.51 | TodPunk | and not much else |
| 20:40.59 | spangborn | Can we just burn politics to the ground and start over? |
| 20:41.03 | spangborn | https://twitter.com/ChrisWarcraft/status/757675895402266624 |
| 20:41.05 | youtah | Python workshop in December of 1995 http://web.archive.org/web/19970501022454/http://www.python.org/workshops/1995-12/ |
| 20:43.14 | youtah | you know.... I actually prefer the look of the site like this. So much simpler. Oh wait... no ads. That's it. http://web.archive.org/web/19970606183521/http://www.python.org/doc/tut/node23.html#SECTION00411000000000000000 |
| 20:51.35 | jfindlay | youtah: I like guido's cute geographically scoped email address at the bottom of the page |
| 20:51.58 | jfindlay | it wasn't long after that that everyone went to garbage@garbage.com |
| 20:52.18 | youtah | right? |
| 20:52.29 | jfindlay | thinks the elders of the intarwebz really screwed up domain names with TLD bungling 1998-2008 |
| 20:53.10 | youtah | it could have been such an organized place |
| 20:53.19 | jfindlay | yeah |
| 20:53.23 | spangborn | youtah.lehi.ut.us |
| 20:53.33 | youtah | exactly |
| 20:53.37 | spangborn | Needs more subdomains |
| 20:53.48 | spangborn | spawn1.youtah.lehi.ut.us |
| 20:54.09 | youtah | jeff [at] tm.lehi.utah.ut.us |
| 20:54.45 | jfindlay | left.sink.youtahs_kitchen.youtahs_house.utah.ut.us.sol.milky_way.virgo |
| 20:54.55 | jfindlay | isn't that the most elegant thing you've ever seen? |
| 20:55.08 | spangborn | IoDomainNames |
| 20:55.24 | spangborn | Forget IoT |
| 20:55.29 | youtah | you skipped north_america.earth |
| 20:55.45 | jfindlay | darn |
| 20:56.04 | RyanE | .sol.milkyway.universe |
| 20:56.11 | spangborn | applewatch.leftwrist.leftarm.torso.spangborn.body.westjordan.ut.us |
| 20:56.15 | youtah | .bigbang |
| 20:56.19 | RyanE | heh |
| 20:56.26 | jfindlay | left.sink.youtahs_kitchen.youtahs_house.utah.ut.us.north_america.earth.sol.milky_way.virgo.virgo.anthroverse |
| 20:56.33 | RyanE | .bigbang.unknown.what.the.hell.????? |
| 20:56.38 | youtah | bigbang.yourmom |
| 20:56.41 | RyanE | ha! |
| 20:56.58 | jfindlay | the bang is an event, not a place |
| 20:57.06 | RyanE | that's what she said |
| 20:57.11 | spangborn | me.fsm |
| 20:57.11 | youtah | ~twss |
| 20:57.12 | infobot | That's what she said! |
| 20:57.59 | jfindlay | lolstats |
| 20:58.05 | youtah | lol |
| 20:58.07 | youtah | ~lolstats |
| 20:58.10 | infobot | total count of lol on #utah: 2041. Top 3: youtah -- 950 (46.5%), keldwud -- 115 (5.6%), Q_Continuum -- 63 (3.1%) |
| 20:58.10 | RyanE | lol.stats |
| 20:58.18 | RyanE | man, I gotta up my lols |
| 20:58.18 | youtah | So close |
| 20:58.31 | spangborn | ~hastats |
| 20:58.40 | spangborn | ~brave-- |
| 20:59.15 | youtah | TodPunk, do you guys get access to the new pool? |
| 20:59.26 | TodPunk | no |
| 20:59.30 | youtah | I wasn't sure. |
| 20:59.36 | TodPunk | We get our own pool where I don't have to have guest passes =cP |
| 20:59.41 | youtah | it's like you guys are a part of us, but aren't |
| 20:59.48 | TodPunk | it's a mixed bag |
| 20:59.56 | youtah | ~twss |
| 20:59.56 | infobot | That's what she said! |
| 21:00.09 | TodPunk | We share the same things that aren't HOA related |
| 21:00.21 | TodPunk | people get hung up about the super-HOA stuff for some reason |
| 21:00.28 | youtah | yeah, I suspect that it will be annoying with the limited guest passes |
| 21:00.40 | TodPunk | It's trying to service way too many people |
| 21:00.45 | youtah | ~twss |
| 21:00.45 | infobot | That's what she said! |
| 21:00.52 | RyanE | heh |
| 21:00.54 | TodPunk | you can come over and use ours |
| 21:01.02 | jfindlay | lolstats |
| 21:01.03 | youtah | gracias |
| 21:01.13 | youtah | We are going to go after work |
| 21:01.26 | youtah | they're doing the soft opening today from 2-8pm... I am afraid. I am very afraid |
| 21:02.12 | youtah | speaking of after work |
| 21:02.14 | TodPunk | There are going to be sooooooooooooooooooo many people |
| 21:02.33 | youtah | my friend wanted to meet up with us to buy us celebratory drinks in park city |
| 21:02.40 | youtah | (he is a dispatcher in park city) |
| 21:02.46 | youtah | so we met up with him after his shift |
| 21:02.49 | spangborn | You drink now? |
| 21:02.52 | youtah | and went bar hoping |
| 21:02.55 | spangborn | Whaaaaaa |
| 21:02.59 | youtah | no, not really |
| 21:03.02 | spangborn | Oh, hah. |
| 21:03.07 | youtah | but anyway, it was really fun |
| 21:03.14 | youtah | and we found a huge thing of Jenga |
| 21:03.27 | spangborn | So it was Jenga, but sized for your mom? |
| 21:03.38 | youtah | but we went outside and found this guy just YELLING at this woman. We were afraid he was about to start hitting her |
| 21:03.40 | jfindlay | I imagine it would be hard to intake the nutritional requirement of water by disallowing drinking |
| 21:03.53 | youtah | so he called his friend who replaced him on dispatch |
| 21:03.54 | spangborn | jfindlay: IVs come in handy |
| 21:04.00 | youtah | and the copes were on him super fast |
| 21:04.03 | youtah | cops |
| 21:04.23 | youtah | that was pretty scary |
| 21:04.29 | youtah | I was legitimately scared for this lady |
| 21:04.53 | youtah | and he was a huge, ripped dude. He would have snapped all three of us in half just by looking at us |
| 21:05.43 | jfindlay | youtah: how many IVs do you do a day? |
| 21:05.51 | youtah | Lettuce |
| 21:06.06 | spangborn | I feel like you're neglecting watermelon |
| 21:06.12 | youtah | Oh |
| 21:06.15 | spangborn | I mean, it's got water right in the name. |
| 21:06.18 | youtah | I love some good melons |
| 21:06.39 | jfindlay | youtah: do you consider things like yogurt acceptable, or is it too much like a drink? |
| 21:07.32 | youtah | hold on.. I am still thinking about melons |
| 21:07.41 | jfindlay | holds on |
| 21:07.52 | spangborn | Melons aren't the easiest to hold on to. |
| 21:08.02 | spangborn | They're usually too big for a single hand. |
| 21:08.12 | youtah | especially when you grease them up and throw it in the water |
| 21:08.32 | spangborn | http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/353/279/e31.jpg |
| 21:08.50 | jfindlay | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OwWC06P3HU |
| 21:09.00 | youtah | lol |
| 21:09.08 | youtah | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRFrSBVHSHk |
| 21:10.40 | jfindlay | lolstats |
| 21:11.29 | spangborn | ~lolstats |
| 21:11.29 | infobot | total count of lol on #utah: 2042. Top 3: youtah -- 951 (46.6%), keldwud -- 115 (5.6%), Q_Continuum -- 63 (3.1%) |
| 21:11.40 | spangborn | 46.6% is almost disappointing |
| 21:12.15 | youtah | lol |
| 21:13.06 | jfindlay | ~lolstatsstats |
| 21:15.41 | jfindlay | I've decided to appropriate a new word for my expressions of humors |
| 21:15.55 | jfindlay | because I'm so creative |
| 21:16.01 | jfindlay | lolstats |
| 21:16.06 | spangborn | lolcats? |
| 21:16.23 | jfindlay | until it becomes annoying |
| 21:16.27 | jfindlay | then it will be funny |
| 21:16.42 | youtah | lol |
| 21:16.44 | jfindlay | first they ignore you, then they hate you, then they ignore you |
| 21:16.46 | youtah | ~lolstats |
| 21:16.46 | infobot | total count of lol on #utah: 2044. Top 3: youtah -- 953 (46.6%), keldwud -- 115 (5.6%), Q_Continuum -- 63 (3.1%) |
| 21:17.41 | youtah | Boston is having a heat wave. They've had 6 days above 90 degrees now |
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| 21:21.27 | spangborn | Well they're about to get decimated by storms |
| 21:21.49 | youtah | you'll like this spangborn |
| 21:21.51 | spangborn | Which to be fair, it's Boston |
| 21:21.54 | spangborn | They deserve both. |
| 21:21.58 | youtah | my new call sign, N1SC |
| 21:22.08 | youtah | is a Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine call sign |
| 21:22.10 | youtah | with the 1 |
| 21:22.27 | spangborn | So do I send text messages to that? |
| 21:22.39 | youtah | yeah |
| 21:22.41 | spangborn | puts that into e-mail "to" field |
| 21:22.43 | youtah | via MFSK32 |
| 21:22.53 | spangborn | sends forward spam there |
| 21:22.54 | youtah | I do love calling up and hearing the excitement in Californians voices over ham radio thinking they're getting Vermont |
| 21:23.04 | youtah | only to realize that they're contacting Utah |
| 21:23.44 | spangborn | I'd just be disappointed I'm not talking to an actual ham. |
| 21:23.56 | spangborn | "Excuse me, are you the honey baked variety?" |
| 21:24.11 | youtah | I am the sugar cured |
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| 21:29.10 | TodPunk | ~twss |
| 21:29.11 | infobot | That's what she said! |
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| 22:06.32 | jfindlay | do most megacompanies treat developers as if they are better than systems administrators? |
| 22:10.54 | joshh | depends where they fit in the stack ranking |
| 22:11.42 | joshh | and how important they are to the success of the relevant managers |
| 22:12.41 | jfindlay | I did a phone interview at $large_company for a dev position and afterwards they 'downgraded' me to admin positions |
| 22:13.33 | joshh | a good company treats both well, and realizes they are different, not better/worse |
| 22:13.35 | joshh | work somewhere like that |
| 22:13.51 | jfindlay | I don't even want to work there anyway; I'm only doing this for the experience |
| 22:14.13 | joshh | only IT should be treated terribly :P |
| 22:14.32 | jfindlay | ~moss |
| 22:14.32 | infobot | Did you see that ludicrous display last night? |
| 22:17.52 | SunSparc | Only joshh should be treated terribly ;) |
| 22:18.11 | joshh | im only treated sorta bad sometimes |
| 22:18.32 | jfindlay | ~roy |
| 22:18.33 | infobot | Don't Google the question, Moss! |
| 22:19.16 | SunSparc | infobot: give joshh a cookie |
| 22:19.16 | infobot | ACTION gives joshh a home-baked oatmeal raisin cookie to cheer him up. |
| 22:21.01 | jlp_znc | wow, I want a cookie, too. |
| 22:22.43 | SunSparc | ~cookie jlp_znc |
| 22:23.13 | joshh | you can have mine, im not much of a sweets lover |
| 22:23.31 | jlp_znc | I'm not, either, but oatmeal raisin... mmmmmmm. |
| 22:23.46 | joshh | heh i loathe raisins |
| 22:24.12 | jlp_znc | yeah, my family hates raisins, so I seldom get raisin cookies. |
| 22:24.21 | jlp_znc | they like grapes, though. go figure. |
| 22:25.22 | joshh | im consistent enough to hate those also |
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| 22:25.28 | joshh | which is why drink beer instead of wine |
| 22:26.30 | SunSparc | lol |
| 22:26.35 | SunSparc | infobot: have a cookie |
| 22:26.36 | infobot | Ta. *Munch* |
| 22:28.24 | SunSparc | ~cookies jlp_znc |
| 22:28.24 | infobot | ACTION hands jlp_znc a nice, steaming chocolate chip cookie, hot from the oven |
| 22:28.41 | romanovic | jfindlay: I think most megacompanies probably employ 20x more developers than systems administrators, making them more scarce, but not better. I'm surprised that if you have skill in both arenas, they wouldn't try to pull you over to the developer side instead of 'downgrading' you |
| 22:32.19 | romanovic | maybe there are fewer qualified system admins available than I'm aware of, and that company is just special |
| 22:33.49 | TodPunk | Most sysadmins don't know jack squat about software or how things work, so a few that do are treated like gold and the rest are treated like savants that circle-jerk over their ZFS io stats and could not care less about the stability of the company the application lives off of |
| 22:33.59 | TodPunk | is speaking hyperbolically, if you couldn't tell |
| 22:34.24 | joshh | replace the sysadmins with full stack 10x devops engineers |
| 22:35.08 | TodPunk | but seriously, there are a lot of sysadmins that are easily replaceable just like there are a lot of devs that are easily replaceable. Most big companies just have to be more selective about their devs since they need more than CRUD dev |
| 22:35.31 | joshh | jr devs are generally more replaceable than sysadmins IME |
| 22:35.50 | TodPunk | not at megacompany X |
| 22:36.15 | TodPunk | sr sysadmins are basically co-engineers of the architecture |
| 22:36.26 | TodPunk | but you employ very few of those, typically |
| 22:39.28 | TodPunk | At Google SREs are the systems programmers that I'd normally say are sr sysadmins at most normal companies. They typically know some progrmaming languages that are not bash or perl, and will know something about development processes and whatnot |
| 22:40.37 | unum | part of my interview included creating a linked list in c |
| 22:40.42 | TodPunk | The takeaway here is that titles are meaningless and jfindlay should feel bad only if they were making him a helpdesk guy |
| 22:40.50 | unum | very different from most sysadmins |
| 22:41.16 | TodPunk | You are definitely not a sysadmin in any regard I'd care to pay tribute to |
| 22:43.43 | jlp_znc | you know, everyone raves about this new "devops" thing. I was doing devops back in the mid-90s before it even had a name! |
| 22:44.09 | jlp_znc | I think it was around 20 years ago that I first started encountering sysadmins that couldn't program. |
| 22:44.17 | jlp_znc | it just seemed weird to me. |
| 22:44.48 | jlp_znc | "of course I can program... I'm a sysadmin!" "uhm, progra-what? you mean like command.com?" |
| 22:45.03 | jlp_znc | .BAT files? that's programming, right? |
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| 22:47.15 | romanovic | we have a team of devops engineers who do some basic utility development. the only problem is they're positioned in such a way that all new features, tools, frameworks, and build requirements are guaranteed to bottle-neck at the devops team |
| 22:47.50 | TodPunk | jlp_znc: "I just really like networks and RAID arrays" |
| 22:48.11 | SunSparc | ~bat jlp_znc |
| 22:48.12 | infobot | ACTION takes his mighty clue bat and whacks jlp_znc over the head many, many, many times |
| 22:48.28 | SunSparc | ~raid TodPunk |
| 22:48.33 | jfindlay | I guess I just feel bad because I'm either not millenial enough, or not fluent enough in the latest fad languages, or don't have the latest phone with all the popular apps, or I'm too white man or something to pass their threshold interview |
| 22:49.07 | SunSparc | jfindlay: Is this really a company you want to work for? |
| 22:49.12 | TodPunk | the white male thing only really affects you at startups or with really "progressive" interviewers |
| 22:49.14 | jfindlay | SunSparc: no |
| 22:49.18 | SunSparc | Ok |
| 22:49.50 | jfindlay | but I'm not very good at interviews, which was the whole exercise anyway :) |
| 22:50.03 | TodPunk | Despite what HN would have you believe, the world is actually mostly still CRUD apps and terrible architecture as an afterthought |
| 22:50.08 | jfindlay | I need to work out all these emotions |
| 22:50.35 | TodPunk | wonders if he submitted "Better Tech Interviews" for OpenWest... |
| 22:50.56 | jfindlay | so that for the one that matters, I am perfectly robotic |
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| 22:51.10 | SunSparc | Just had a support guy ask me: "Can you DDOS /dev/null?" |
| 22:51.27 | jfindlay | SunSparc: have him try it as an exercise :) |
| 22:51.33 | SunSparc | lol |
| 22:51.41 | TodPunk | SunSparc: what did you tell him? |
| 22:51.47 | jfindlay | lolstats |
| 22:51.58 | voldemortensen | ~lolstats |
| 22:51.58 | infobot | total count of lol on #utah: 2046. Top 3: youtah -- 953 (46.6%), keldwud -- 115 (5.6%), Q_Continuum -- 63 (3.1%) |
| 22:52.07 | SunSparc | TodPunk: I told him no. Should have given a better answer. |
| 22:52.11 | voldemortensen | Anyone versed in copyright fair use? |
| 22:52.19 | TodPunk | voldemortensen: in some areas |
| 22:52.25 | unum | voldemortensen: what's your question? |
| 22:52.40 | unum | I took a class that covered it.... |
| 22:52.49 | unum | I actually have the textbook in my office |
| 22:53.36 | TodPunk | There's also a difference between "fair use" and "what I can actually do without a lawyer and headaches" |
| 22:53.53 | voldemortensen | There's a WordPress plugin call Yoast. They've got terrible practices in adding notices to the WP dashboard so I wrote a plugin that I named "Remove Yoast Notices". I was told by the owner of Yoast that I don't have permission to use their brand like that. |
| 22:54.12 | voldemortensen | Would this not fall under fair use? |
| 22:54.41 | TodPunk | Is Yoast a registered trademark? In which case, put the marker there |
| 22:54.51 | unum | that's a trade mark issue |
| 22:55.08 | TodPunk | In your docs you'll have to mention it's a mark of theirs and not yours |
| 22:56.03 | TodPunk | but basically they'd have to take you to court and prove that your use of it confuses the public that you are representing them and not just "referring" to them. Depending on the nuances of how you're using their name, you should very likely consult a lawyer for how they could (and would) take you to court over it anyway |
| 22:56.23 | TodPunk | I would just remove it from your name and refer to it in your description |
| 22:56.26 | jfindlay | that may be the proper thing to do, but trademark law is successfully abused all the time in this way |
| 22:57.55 | voldemortensen | The great part is this owner is the guy that got his wrists slapped because he did the same thing with the WordPress trademark |
| 22:57.57 | unum | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominative_use |
| 22:58.31 | unum | ya having it in the description and not the name does seem more defensible |
| 23:00.32 | voldemortensen | Pluh, I don't even know what to name it that would make sense. |
| 23:01.03 | jfindlay | just punt and make it fully generic |
| 23:01.12 | TodPunk | Remove Plugin Notices |
| 23:01.14 | jfindlay | so the user has to enter the name of the notifications to remove |
| 23:01.27 | TodPunk | then you can add other plugins later if you so desire |
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| 23:08.15 | jlp_znc | http://pepperminthelmet.com/comic/penguins/ |
| 23:37.33 | joshh | jlp_znc: i think the sysadmins vs programming thing is because a small number of software people enjoy sysadmin work |
| 23:38.10 | joshh | and it is possible to be good at it without deep coding skills, or it was |
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