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| 02:06.50 | maquis | I have a kinda weird problem, and I'm hoping someone here might have a hint to point me the right way. I have a server on my local network. It has a domain name so I can connect to it remotely. If I ping/ssh/etc it using its external domain name, it loads correctly and has no problems. If I try to ping/ssh/whatever using its local ip address, it fails with destination host unreachable. |
| 02:07.51 | maquis | I'm not even sure where to start with debugging this. I've verified that the ip address I'm using to try to connect is the same that is recorded in the router rules. |
| 02:15.49 | maquis | I can successfully connect via ip to other machines on the network, so I'm guessing this is a machine-level issue, rather than an issue at the router level. |
| 02:17.36 | maquis | oddly enough, the router can ping the server by ip address. |
| 02:22.16 | maquis | tracepath isn't giving me anything useful either... it just says !H (unreachable) |
| 02:26.13 | maquis | if i ssh to the server using the domain name, it can then ping my laptop by ip address.... |
| 02:26.50 | maquis | and.... that fixed it???? |
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| 03:38.53 | TodPunk | maquis: that's pretty much a guarantee that it wasn't ARPing for that IP |
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| 04:38.45 | maquis | TodPunk: why wouldn't it be arping for that ip? |
| 04:39.23 | TodPunk | Any number of reasons, but I'm guessing wireless is involved |
| 04:39.56 | maquis | yes. wireless is involved. |
| 04:40.15 | TodPunk | I'm going to guess it's ignoring arp requests if it hasn't used the interface in a while |
| 04:40.25 | TodPunk | just a guess, and not necessarily an accurate one |
| 04:40.34 | maquis | hmm... that's interesting. |
| 04:42.41 | maquis | I did have a point where I had it connected with both wifi and wired internet, but I had the static ip set on the wifi. it seems that the problem started around that time, but after I disconnected the wired connection, it didn't start working even with a reboot, which was confusing. |
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| 04:44.16 | TodPunk | I hate wireless |
| 04:44.55 | maquis | yeah. need to fix my configs so it uses the wired interface for the static ip. :) |
| 04:45.25 | maquis | anyway, thanks for the explanations. i should probably head to bed soon. one of the kids is an early bird.... |
| 04:52.18 | TodPunk | hope it ends up helping |
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| 15:06.12 | spangborn | lmao microsoft is a joke. |
| 15:06.26 | spangborn | On a call with MSFT. "IE 11 isn't sending CORS headers" |
| 15:06.32 | spangborn | "So run your applications on the same host" |
| 15:06.34 | spangborn | Uh, no. |
| 15:07.02 | spangborn | Just because your browser doesn't properly implement functionality like the rest of them doesn't mean I should completely change our architecture. |
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| 15:14.40 | TodPunk | Actually, if you're a web dev, and you can't convince MS to implement things for YOU, you WILL completely change your architecture or just not work on that browser |
| 15:14.54 | TodPunk | guess which one your clients demand |
| 15:15.00 | spangborn | Well, it's only affecting domains that are listed as "internal" |
| 15:15.28 | TodPunk | example? |
| 15:15.41 | spangborn | So, say your company has two domains, one for intranet |
| 15:15.48 | spangborn | Say it's intranet.com |
| 15:15.59 | spangborn | Developer and QA boxes have hostnames of host.intranet.com |
| 15:16.00 | TodPunk | is it intranet.com or is it intranet.local? |
| 15:16.05 | spangborn | It's a .com |
| 15:16.15 | spangborn | But it doesn't actually matter in this case. |
| 15:16.25 | spangborn | host1.intranet.com wants to talk CORS to host2.intranet.com |
| 15:16.32 | TodPunk | I'm just trying to figure out why IE11 would know a difference |
| 15:17.03 | TodPunk | technically those ARE separate domains |
| 15:17.03 | spangborn | Because the machine IE11 is running on has a domain of yourlaptop.intranet.com and a security policy from intranet.com, it won't send CORS headers |
| 15:17.06 | TodPunk | but yeah |
| 15:17.07 | spangborn | Yep |
| 15:17.14 | spangborn | So they're not implementing this correctly |
| 15:17.17 | spangborn | Which is the entire point of CORS |
| 15:18.39 | spangborn | Works fine in IE9-10 |
| 15:18.47 | spangborn | IE11 and Edge refuse to send the Origin header. |
| 15:19.13 | TodPunk | Can't even polyfill it |
| 15:19.14 | spangborn | So really, this only affects internal users, but it's stupid |
| 15:19.15 | TodPunk | funn |
| 15:21.36 | spangborn | And it's infuriating to hear MSFT just drop "Just run on the same host" in the call |
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| 15:21.44 | spangborn | No, fix your piece of trash browser. |
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| 15:26.43 | spangborn | This just made my day less crap. https://twitter.com/sdw/status/756510648612204544 |
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| 15:27.34 | jlp_znc | just ask them "but how do you do that, Hol?" |
| 15:27.44 | eightyeight | neybar: leaky tubes |
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| 15:29.45 | jlp_znc | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxWN8AhNER0 |
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| 15:33.11 | jlp_znc | that video doesn't actually have anything to do with my earlier comment... I just enjoy it, so I thought you should enjoy it, too. |
| 15:33.21 | jlp_znc | ~kryten |
| 15:33.28 | jlp_znc | what? |
| 15:33.49 | jlp_znc | ~thecat |
| 15:33.50 | infobot | How am I lookin'? Good! |
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| 15:36.24 | TodPunk | kryten was the name of our VPN server at an old job |
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| 16:02.37 | spangborn | jlp_znc: That's a hysterical video |
| 16:12.58 | jessie | Well, I've officially joined the PC Gaming ranks. |
| 16:13.05 | TodPunk | yessssss |
| 16:13.07 | TodPunk | One of us! |
| 16:13.29 | eightyeight | consoles > pcs |
| 16:13.46 | TodPunk | Only for couch gaming |
| 16:13.51 | jessie | eightyeight: I have to agree on some things disagree on others. |
| 16:13.54 | TodPunk | and even then, Steam has sort of made that a moot issue |
| 16:13.55 | jessie | FPS with a controller sucks |
| 16:14.39 | eightyeight | my only issue with PC gaming, is the ever constant upgrading, which seems more frequent than console upgrading |
| 16:14.57 | TodPunk | hasn't upgraded any of his PCs in years |
| 16:15.00 | jessie | It doesn't have to be. It's that way only if you're always wanting the most beautiful. |
| 16:15.01 | TodPunk | seems fine |
| 16:15.02 | eightyeight | then you have console games that seem to play fantastically well on the console, but _suck_ on the pc |
| 16:15.14 | eightyeight | even when the PC is exceptionally more powerful than the console |
| 16:15.15 | jessie | eightyeight: That part does suck. |
| 16:15.27 | jessie | They can optimize for a specific console pretty easily. |
| 16:15.33 | eightyeight | consoles just simplify my life |
| 16:15.34 | jessie | PC is a whole host of different systems |
| 16:15.34 | TodPunk | Keep in mind that all the consoles are also only running at lower resolution |
| 16:15.53 | jessie | Generally 720p to 1080p, not really capable of much higher. |
| 16:16.02 | eightyeight | well, on a 32" TV, it's not really an issue |
| 16:16.12 | TodPunk | 4K gaming isn't a thing I really care about, mind you |
| 16:16.13 | eightyeight | but yeah, there's that |
| 16:16.21 | jessie | On a 32" TV from couch distance, yeah. |
| 16:16.40 | TodPunk | uses a 197" projector screen |
| 16:16.44 | jessie | On a 22" monitor at desk distance I bet it does. I wonder where 1080p gets into noticible rang |
| 16:16.47 | jessie | *range |
| 16:17.31 | eightyeight | speaking of which, anyone else excited for ``no man's sky''? |
| 16:17.54 | jessie | Possibly but I remain very skeptical. |
| 16:18.05 | jessie | I'm expecting it to be Spore 2.0 for now. |
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| 16:18.34 | eightyeight | the immensity of it, and the initial randomness really appeal to me |
| 16:18.37 | TodPunk | No |
| 16:18.40 | eightyeight | procedurally generated gaming ++ |
| 16:18.50 | TodPunk | It's going to be a 3D starbound |
| 16:18.55 | TodPunk | I could not care less |
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| 16:18.58 | eightyeight | heh |
| 16:19.25 | TodPunk | Starbound was also supposed to have this immensity and exploration, and after about 12 different worlds I've literally seen everything the game can come up with |
| 16:19.31 | spangborn | I've really been enjoying the latest incarnation of BattleBots |
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| 16:21.29 | jlp_znc | !kryten |
| 16:21.33 | jlp_znc | ~kryten |
| 16:21.33 | infobot | (It's a banana.|I'm not afraid, Mr. Death, sir.|It's rogue simulants all right.|Smeee-heeeeee!|Please, sir, don't panic.|But, sir, we lost Mr. Rimmer.|Or we could use the teleporter.|Sir, can we take a break? It appears my intelligence circuits have melted.|Surely you've heard of silicon heaven?|I'm almost annoyed!|Lie mode... Of course it'll work, sir! No worries!|We've recycled the water so often it's beginning to taste like D |
| 16:21.36 | jlp_znc | ugh |
| 16:21.41 | jlp_znc | that didn't work quite right |
| 16:21.44 | TodPunk | breaking things again! |
| 16:21.53 | jessie | I think you missed a ) |
| 16:22.04 | TodPunk | it's too long for IRC |
| 16:22.13 | eightyeight | i've never done procedurally generated games, other than minecraft. so, it'll be a new experience for me. |
| 16:22.45 | jlp_znc | line too long |
| 16:23.05 | jessie | My favorite procedurally generated one is The Binding of Isaac |
| 16:23.08 | jessie | <3 that game |
| 16:23.18 | jessie | Although Gungeon looks great too. |
| 16:23.27 | jlp_znc | ~kryten |
| 16:23.27 | infobot | (It's a banana.|I'm not afraid, Mr. Death, sir.|It's rogue simulants all right.|Smeee-heeeeee!|Please, sir, don't panic.|But, sir, we lost Mr. Rimmer.|Or we could use the teleporter.|Sir, can we take a break? It appears my intelligence circuits have melted.|Surely you've heard of silicon heaven?|I'm almost annoyed!|Lie mode... Of course it'll work, sir! No worries!|Space weevil.|Excuse me. Could I possibly distract you for j |
| 16:23.35 | jlp_znc | AUG! |
| 16:23.52 | jessie | Too long of a message |
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| 16:25.13 | jlp_znc | ~kryten |
| 16:25.13 | infobot | It's rogue simulants all right. |
| 16:25.19 | jlp_znc | there |
| 16:27.22 | jessie | Mucho mejor |
| 16:27.32 | jlp_znc | ~thecat |
| 16:27.32 | infobot | I'm gonna eat you little fishy. |
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| 16:27.38 | eightyeight | ~linux |
| 16:27.38 | infobot | Real games for linux...Linux lacks on graphic tools too...Yeah gimp is good... |
| 16:28.32 | jessie | Gimp... :-/ |
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| 16:50.18 | jlp_znc | ~rimmer |
| 16:50.19 | infobot | Is that picture yours? It's rubbish. |
| 16:51.38 | jessie | Mmmmmm server upgrade time. From 16GB to 144GB. |
| 16:51.42 | jessie | notbad.jpg |
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| 17:54.05 | jlp_znc | https://community.spiceworks.com/careers/sysadminday/soundboard |
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| 18:22.50 | jima | eightyeight: yeah, i'm That Guy. |
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| 18:49.40 | jfindlay | ~trump youtah |
| 18:49.40 | infobot | ACTION fires youtah |
| 18:50.19 | spangborn | ~youtah-- |
| 18:51.41 | jfindlay | ~trump eightyeight |
| 18:51.41 | infobot | ACTION sends eightyeight down an escalator |
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| 20:00.17 | Migs | http://i.imgur.com/rC6PzSn.png |
| 20:00.20 | Migs | nice job, dell |
| 20:01.07 | manithree | For a guy like me, that's a lot of money. |
| 20:01.58 | manithree | But it's a great deal. Save over $350k on your laptop. |
| 20:02.11 | levi | And people say Apple laptops are expensive... |
| 20:11.34 | jfindlay | the joke about dell is that the price of their hardware depends on who at dell you ask |
| 20:12.22 | jfindlay | so you could hang up the phone, call back, and get somebody else that says, 'yes, we'll sell you that for $100' |
| 20:13.32 | jfindlay | ~dell Migs |
| 20:13.32 | infobot | Dude! Migs's getting a dell! |
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| 20:23.19 | spangborn | Follow up to IE call. |
| 20:23.26 | spangborn | MSFT wants us to use a different header. |
| 20:23.28 | spangborn | Or a cookie. |
| 20:23.32 | jessie | :-| |
| 20:23.38 | jessie | Way to stick to the spec, guys |
| 20:23.40 | spangborn | They evidently don't understand the security that CORS Origin header provides |
| 20:23.54 | spangborn | Sure, we'll just use a header that anyone else can overwrite |
| 20:24.14 | spangborn | "Hi guys, it's friendly site here, you can totally trust me because I said I'm friendly site" |
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| 20:53.16 | jima | spangborn: RFC3514? |
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| 20:54.03 | spangborn | Hahaha |
| 20:55.14 | jima | i used that on a DHS trainer once. he didn't seem impressed. |
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| 21:29.31 | youtah | ~youtah |
| 21:29.32 | infobot | Mmmm Bacon |
| 21:29.36 | youtah | ~nachos |
| 21:29.36 | infobot | schweet. |
| 21:29.42 | youtah | ~trump TodPunk |
| 21:29.42 | infobot | ACTION sends TodPunk down an escalator |
| 21:29.49 | youtah | ~trump spangborn |
| 21:29.49 | infobot | ACTION fires spangborn |
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| 21:31.57 | TodPunk | stands on the escalator |
| 21:32.34 | spangborn | ~youtah-- |
| 21:35.56 | TodPunk | ~punish youtah |
| 21:35.57 | infobot | ACTION forces youtah to install and use Windows |
| 21:42.07 | youtah | ~spangborn-- |
| 21:42.08 | youtah | again |
| 21:42.11 | youtah | *sigh* |
| 21:42.15 | spangborn | Feel the anger |
| 21:42.17 | spangborn | Let it flow through you |
| 21:42.40 | TodPunk | ~spangborn++ |
| 21:42.45 | youtah | I thought it was "let the hate flow through you" |
| 21:42.50 | spangborn | Sure, that |
| 21:42.57 | spangborn | I'm barely awake |
| 21:43.11 | eightyeight | âªâ«âªâ« Let it flow, let it flow. âªâ«âªâ« |
| 21:48.51 | *** join/#utah neanderslob (~quassel@c-50-168-247-73.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 21:59.29 | *** join/#utah neybar (~neybar@206.251.41.202) |
| 21:59.49 | romanovic | can't get a non-letter-perfect movie quote past youtah |
| 22:00.49 | youtah | of course you can |
| 22:00.52 | youtah | just do what I do |
| 22:00.55 | youtah | and make it up |
| 22:01.17 | TimRiker | ~seen jfree |
| 22:01.19 | infobot | i haven't seen 'jfree', TimRiker |
| 22:01.29 | *** join/#utah neybar (~neybar@206.251.41.202) |
| 22:01.34 | TimRiker | ~seen mecworks |
| 22:01.34 | infobot | i haven't seen 'mecworks', TimRiker |
| 22:02.08 | eightyeight | neybar: can you fix your connection? you've been in/out all day, since about 02:27 |
| 22:02.32 | youtah | yeah gosh neybar |
| 22:03.09 | jfindlay | weechat hides all connections for me, so I've stopped caring |
| 22:03.22 | eightyeight | that's fine when you're not a channel op. |
| 22:03.24 | RyanE | youtah: I think what you meant to say was: "I don't know. I'm just making this up as I go along." -- Indiana Jones |
| 22:03.25 | TodPunk | ~seen star trek |
| 22:03.26 | infobot | i haven't seen 'star trek', TodPunk |
| 22:03.34 | TodPunk | terrible |
| 22:03.38 | jfindlay | eightyeight: woohoo, no responsibilities! |
| 22:03.45 | eightyeight | :) |
| 22:03.49 | jfindlay | TodPunk: lol |
| 22:03.49 | youtah | Ah yes... see? RyanE got the quote |
| 22:04.28 | RyanE | that's because I'm just another alias for youtah on IRC. |
| 22:04.33 | RyanE | don't tell |
| 22:04.43 | youtah | tell who what? |
| 22:04.50 | RyanE | don't tell mom |
| 22:04.58 | youtah | ~twss |
| 22:04.58 | infobot | That's what she said! |
| 22:05.02 | RyanE | heh |
| 22:05.27 | youtah | omg |
| 22:05.29 | youtah | I had to |
| 22:12.45 | *** mode/#utah [+o eightyeight] by ChanServ |
| 22:13.18 | *** join/#utah neybar (~neybar@206.251.41.202) |
| 22:13.48 | *** mode/#utah [-v+bbb eightyeight *!*@206.251.41.202 *!*@stable. *!*@oalug/member/eightyeight] by eightyeight |
| 22:13.56 | eightyeight | Gah |
| 22:14.57 | *** mode/#utah [-b *!*@oalug/member/eightyeight] by eightyeight |
| 22:14.59 | *** mode/#utah [-b *!*@stable.*] by eightyeight |
| 22:15.42 | *** mode/#utah [-b *!*@206.251.42.181] by eightyeight |
| 22:15.44 | *** mode/#utah [-b *!*@ip68-101-113-*.*] by eightyeight |
| 22:16.06 | *** mode/#utah [-b *!*@stable.] by eightyeight |
| 22:16.17 | TodPunk | Ironically, eightyeight has created more spam trying to deal with the spam than the original join/part spam |
| 22:16.33 | eightyeight | :/ |
| 22:17.18 | eightyeight | Stupid typo ruined it. Sorry for the noise. |
| 22:17.20 | eightyeight | neybar: pm me when your connection is stable |
| 22:17.29 | *** mode/#utah [-o eightyeight] by eightyeight |
| 22:17.33 | TodPunk | and he probably never saw that |
| 22:37.09 | eightyeight | He did |
| 22:37.28 | eightyeight | He pm'd me, then he ping timed out |
| 22:37.30 | eightyeight | Heh |
| 22:45.29 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/4gwEu5e.gifv |
| 23:56.45 | shalkie | yawns |
