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| 03:00.13 | TodPunk | basepi: your pokemon obsession has ruined openwest, I hope you're happy |
| 03:19.00 | RyanE | Pretty sure I saw AJ blocking the Murdock Canal Trail tonight, probably doing Pokemon Go. :) |
| 03:22.22 | TodPunk | He had a lot of odd electronic devices with him |
| 03:22.32 | TodPunk | and a wild look in his eye |
| 03:22.57 | RyanE | he and his friends were blocking the trail. |
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| 14:30.00 | keldwud | am I just trippin or did I think I saw Bruce Schneier as a guest speaker at OpenWest but now it doesn't say that? |
| 14:30.05 | keldwud | to the wayback machine! |
| 14:31.08 | keldwud | or was that a different conference? |
| 14:32.11 | keldwud | there it is |
| 14:32.12 | keldwud | https://web.archive.org/web/20160409013837/https://www.openwest.org/ |
| 14:32.14 | keldwud | :( |
| 14:32.50 | keldwud | so let down |
| 14:32.58 | keldwud | I was so hyped and so stoked for that |
| 14:33.09 | keldwud | I even bragged about it to all my friends |
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| 15:31.03 | unum | ya he canceled last week |
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| 15:44.17 | unum | or atleast that's when I heard about it |
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| 17:08.44 | jlp_znc | so, I just got an e-mail that mentioned the topic of "adult coloring books". Now, I've seen these in the stores and such, but for some reason, when I saw this reference, I had a totally different thought in my head about what they were all about. |
| 17:08.53 | jlp_znc | Wink wink, nudge nudge. |
| 17:09.16 | spangborn | "Color this penis!" |
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| 20:38.34 | jlp_znc | geez, is everyone at openwest? |
| 20:42.52 | spangborn | ~youtah-- |
| 20:42.56 | spangborn | ~brave-- |
| 20:42.59 | spangborn | ~karma brave |
| 20:42.59 | infobot | brave has karma of 4 |
| 20:43.02 | spangborn | Excellent. |
| 20:43.08 | jlp_znc | 'cept you and me, I guess. |
| 20:43.13 | spangborn | Apparently so. |
| 20:43.19 | jlp_znc | Emacs! |
| 20:43.34 | jlp_znc | pokes spangborn |
| 20:43.44 | jlp_znc | ~karma emacs |
| 20:43.44 | infobot | emacs has karma of 8 |
| 20:43.45 | spangborn | NANO FTW |
| 20:43.52 | jlp_znc | ~emacs++ |
| 20:43.59 | jlp_znc | ~karma nano |
| 20:43.59 | infobot | nano has neutral karma |
| 20:44.04 | jlp_znc | psh |
| 20:44.11 | spangborn | I have real work to do, I can't go to a fancypants OSS conference ;p |
| 20:44.31 | jlp_znc | yeah, I don't have any work to do because they cancelled my project two weeks before we deployed it. |
| 20:44.43 | jlp_znc | but I don't have any budget to go to a fancypants OSS conference |
| 20:44.48 | jlp_znc | or any conference, for that matter |
| 20:44.50 | spangborn | Ouch |
| 20:45.00 | spangborn | That's not very nice of them. |
| 20:45.27 | jlp_znc | yeah, nine months we've been working on this, and then last week we get told "uh, because the last Director of Engineering touched that, we're never going to use it... it's tainted. go do something else." |
| 20:46.18 | jlp_znc | two of our guys are now learning ruby (ugh). one gave his notice. the other one and I are both actively looking for new employment. |
| 20:46.31 | spangborn | Ah man, that's disappointing. |
| 20:46.46 | jlp_znc | for now, I'm helping our "swat" team... the guys that bandaide the existing system to try to keep it running. |
| 20:47.04 | spangborn | I know the feeling of getting the project killed. |
| 20:47.07 | jlp_znc | it sucks a great deal. |
| 20:47.14 | spangborn | I joined our "nextgen" project. They poured $15M into it. |
| 20:47.19 | spangborn | They killed it without any warning. |
| 20:47.24 | spangborn | Told everyone to go home for the day. |
| 20:47.28 | jlp_znc | whoa |
| 20:47.39 | spangborn | Which was REALLY good for the office environment |
| 20:47.49 | spangborn | Swirling rumors about everyone getting fires |
| 20:47.50 | spangborn | *fired |
| 20:48.19 | spangborn | It was our architecture team's fault. |
| 20:48.28 | spangborn | They picked these massively expensive vendor products to use. |
| 20:48.36 | spangborn | That didn't end up being technically feasible for us to use. |
| 20:48.50 | jlp_znc | gee, that sounds... familiar. |
| 20:49.15 | spangborn | We paid IBM $5M for a product we're not using now |
| 20:49.39 | jlp_znc | I remember a company, way back, called iMALL. we had an amazing system with all open source tools. new "director of operations" came on board. his motto was "if it didn't cost a lot of money, it can't be good." |
| 20:49.47 | spangborn | Yuck. |
| 20:49.56 | spangborn | Yeah, this IBM product (ODM) was unnecessary |
| 20:50.07 | jlp_znc | gutted our FreeBSD architecture, replaced it with hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of Sun gear. |
| 20:50.12 | spangborn | Could have all been implemented in Drools |
| 20:50.27 | spangborn | Haha, my company LOVED Sun gear. |
| 20:50.34 | spangborn | We only moved off of Solaris two years ago. |
| 20:50.40 | jlp_znc | replaced our home grown GDBM-based system with some horrific NoSQL solution (before NoSQL was a thing) called object store. |
| 20:50.47 | spangborn | And only because of security vulns that weren't ever fixed |
| 20:51.13 | spangborn | Yuck @ NoSQL |
| 20:51.40 | jlp_znc | spent millions of dollars... never worked. company got acquired by Excite @Home. upper management made millions of $$ on the sale. I was already out of there by that time, but the rank and file basically got the shaft. |
| 20:52.18 | spangborn | Ugh. |
| 20:52.39 | spangborn | That's really sad. |
| 20:52.45 | jlp_znc | it seems to be the way things go. |
| 20:53.05 | spangborn | Kind of the nature of bigger companies or smaller companies picked up by big ones |
| 20:53.27 | spangborn | I just look at that and imagine how much more they could get done with that wasted money if they didn't screw that kind of stuff up |
| 20:54.48 | jlp_znc | yep |
| 20:56.50 | RyanE | I had that happen at Intel. Got hired on, worked on really cool PXE boot/OS install/management console stuff for a server-rack management product for a year, with 30+ other developers. It won an award before it was released. They then canned the project because one of their large customers "was thinking about" making something similar. They then laid off 50 of us, right before September 11, 2001. I got to watch that horror while I was unemployed.. |
| 20:57.21 | RyanE | I now prefer smaller companies. |
| 20:57.27 | spangborn | Ouch. |
| 20:57.57 | RyanE | It was pretty cool at the time. You put bare metal server in, it pops up, you point and click Windows or Linux, it reboots, installs, and comes up, all with no touch. |
| 20:58.31 | spangborn | That's pretty rad. |
| 20:58.49 | spangborn | So like NOOBS for Raspberry Pi, but for enterprise stuff |
| 20:59.01 | jlp_znc | RyanE: we had a big layoff at Flipdog on September 10, 2001. I was one of the 15 or so that didn't get laid off. |
| 20:59.40 | jlp_znc | heard about it on the radio while driving in to work on the 11th, we all gathered around the TV in the kid room all day. |
| 21:00.13 | spangborn | I was in HS. |
| 21:00.14 | spangborn | Heh. |
| 21:02.59 | RyanE | I was a Freshman at BYU (in a CS class) when someone burst in and told us that the Challenger had blown up during launch. |
| 21:08.42 | spangborn | NYC right about now: https://i.imgur.com/CmJo8ij.jpg |
| 21:09.15 | RyanE | looks like a scene from "Independence Day" |
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| 21:34.43 | levi | RyanE: I did a server rack management product for a previous employer, too. |
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| 21:39.07 | RyanE | I only did the PXE boot / RH Kickstarter stuff, which I think was the most fun part, anyway... :) |
| 21:39.22 | RyanE | Kickstart, not Kickstarter, I suppose... :) |
| 21:43.50 | spangborn | It's a pretty sweet system. |
| 21:43.58 | spangborn | It'd be cool if it was embedded into EFI |
| 21:44.45 | RyanE | not sure how I got that job. Phone interview, no in-person, I didn't know much about PXE, either. |
| 21:44.55 | RyanE | but you don't look a gift horse in the mouth. :) |
| 21:45.27 | spangborn | It'd be cool to buy a vanilla piece of hardware, turn it on, and it asks you what OS to install |
| 21:45.48 | RyanE | you mean 'which Linux/BSD'? |
| 21:46.20 | spangborn | I suppose those are basically the only non-commercial offerings |
| 21:52.44 | jlp_znc | RyanE: I was also in college when Challenger blew up. Was at work at the dorm (I worked there as a desk clerk). My wife called and told me about it. |
| 21:53.37 | jlp_znc | I went over to the TV lounge and watched it over and over (and over) on the news. |
| 21:54.30 | jlp_znc | It was kind of surreal. We had never lost an astronaut on a live mission before (Apollo 1 was a test/training run, didn't even have any fuel in the vehicle). Suddenly we had lost seven. |
| 21:56.47 | RyanE | Yeah, it was surreal. |
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