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| 17:28.36 | goozbach | so I'm trying to do some SSL stuff with katello |
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| 17:29.02 | goozbach | and can't get my ssl cert to verify |
| 17:30.22 | goozbach | this command breaks: |
| 17:30.24 | goozbach | openssl verify -CAfile /root/certs/my.ca-bundle -purpose sslserver -verbose /root/certs/my.combined-crt |
| 17:31.34 | goozbach | error 2 at 2 depth lookup:unable to get issuer certificate |
| 17:31.50 | goozbach | I'm pretty sure I'm using my ca bundle... |
| 17:31.55 | goozbach | but it no workey |
| 17:31.58 | goozbach | any thoughts? |
| 17:59.07 | jlp_znc | goozbach: is that the only thing that prints? |
| 18:01.26 | jlp_znc | are your cert and ca bundle in pem format? |
| 18:01.59 | jlp_znc | have you confirmed that all of the ca certs in the chain are in the bundle? |
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| 18:03.59 | youtah | TIL you can give a NIC Interface TWO IP Addresses |
| 18:04.52 | jlp_znc | from the man page: X509_V_ERR_UNABLE_TO_GET_ISSUER_CERT |
| 18:04.53 | jlp_znc | The issuer certificate of a looked up certificate could not be found. This normally means the list of trusted certificates is not complete. |
| 18:05.26 | jlp_znc | (would be nice if it could tell you which one it thought was missing, eh?) |
| 18:05.45 | jlp_znc | youtah: sure... IP aliases have been a thing for a long time. |
| 18:05.55 | jlp_znc | that's how vips are typically implemented |
| 18:06.04 | youtah | ah |
| 18:06.06 | youtah | interesting |
| 18:06.21 | jlp_znc | back in the early days, though, some OSes didn't support them. |
| 18:06.30 | youtah | anyway, I wish I had known this before trying to troubleshoot |
| 18:06.40 | jlp_znc | at iMALL, for example, we originally ran the iMALL on an HP machine, and HP/UX didn't support IP aliases |
| 18:06.49 | youtah | I jumped in and ""WTH is going on here?!?!" |
| 18:07.05 | jlp_znc | so we had a little FreeBSD 2.2.2 box sitting in a corner that only did IP aliases and redirections into the main iMALL server |
| 18:07.33 | jlp_znc | (this was back in 1995-ish) |
| 18:08.03 | jlp_znc | I think the machine's name was "merlin"... it had 8 MB of RAM if I remember right. |
| 18:09.24 | jlp_znc | we ran the main iMALL on the HP machine because the netscape server (the only one available at the time that supported SSL) didn't work on *BSD or Linux (and Linux's networking stack was terrible back in those days) |
| 18:40.24 | jfindlay | sounds so primative |
| 18:47.49 | jfindlay | jlp_znc: how did you defend your server room against the dinosaurs? |
| 18:47.58 | spangborn | ~youtah-- |
| 18:48.09 | spangborn | Whoops |
| 18:48.09 | jfindlay | ~napoleon spangborn |
| 18:48.10 | infobot | ACTION eats all of spangborn's steak |
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| 18:52.10 | goozbach | jlp_znc: working on figuring out where our ca pem etc is all in order |
| 18:55.17 | jlp_znc | jfindlay: the server room was my desk |
| 18:55.30 | jlp_znc | merlin (the x86 box running FBSD) sat on the floor behind me. |
| 18:55.51 | jlp_znc | I had to fend the dinosaurs off with my teeth and bare hands |
| 18:56.29 | spangborn | I had to fend off a Pikachu today. |
| 18:56.34 | jlp_znc | heh |
| 18:56.51 | jlp_znc | while out on my walk last night, I encountered two teenage boys who were hunting pokemon. |
| 18:57.06 | spangborn | Haha, there are so many people at the Gateway playing. |
| 18:57.14 | jlp_znc | they were super successful! |
| 18:57.19 | spangborn | I haven't seen this many people at the Gateway in years |
| 18:57.40 | TodPunk | I just need pokeymans to appear at my house |
| 18:58.52 | spangborn | I also LOL'd at all of the people sitting on the LDS Wardhouse lawn by my house. |
| 19:00.36 | jlp_znc | my son's first pokemon appeared in our front room. my wife was concerned. |
| 19:00.45 | ezakimak | what is pokemon? |
| 19:00.53 | jlp_znc | pocket monsters |
| 19:00.54 | ezakimak | or is it best that I don't even know? |
| 19:01.13 | jlp_znc | it's a nintendo thing |
| 19:01.21 | spangborn | You must be old, live under a rock, or not have kids. |
| 19:01.30 | ezakimak | i haven't played nintendo since, um, late 1980s. |
| 19:01.37 | spangborn | Haha, that would explain it. |
| 19:01.42 | ezakimak | yes to all three |
| 19:01.55 | ezakimak | there better not be any pokemons on my lawn! |
| 19:02.31 | spangborn | Banana |
| 19:02.33 | spangborn | *Bahaha |
| 19:02.37 | spangborn | Wow autocorrect. |
| 19:04.00 | TodPunk | B-a-n-a-n-a-s |
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| 19:07.35 | joshh | i think it's mostly "adults" playing it right? |
| 19:08.01 | TodPunk | Teens to adults |
| 19:08.22 | TodPunk | You're supposed to be 13 or older, or have a parent make you a child account for it |
| 19:08.46 | TodPunk | Realistically the requirement of having an android device capable of internet access on the go precludes too many 8 year olds from playing |
| 19:08.51 | spangborn | You need a Google account to give them full access to. |
| 19:09.10 | fungus | spangborn, that was fixed today |
| 19:09.11 | TodPunk | We did the pokemon trainer club accounts |
| 19:09.13 | spangborn | (There's an issue with the OAuth grant) |
| 19:09.22 | TodPunk | I don't know why I'd need google involved there |
| 19:09.24 | spangborn | Oh did they push a fix for it now? |
| 19:09.32 | fungus | yes |
| 19:09.58 | spangborn | Ah, that's good. |
| 19:10.37 | spangborn | And there it is. Sweet. |
| 19:14.12 | RyanE | https://consumerist.com/2016/07/12/what-happens-when-pokemon-go-turns-your-house-into-a-gym/ |
| 19:14.56 | spangborn | Haha, that cracked me up. |
| 19:16.59 | TodPunk | spangborn: you're an iOS user? |
| 19:17.07 | spangborn | Indeed I am. |
| 19:17.10 | TodPunk | for shame |
| 19:17.13 | TodPunk | shame I tell you |
| 19:17.17 | spangborn | :) |
| 19:17.21 | spangborn | I enjoy my life of sin. |
| 19:18.29 | spangborn | It's nice having devices that actually get updated on a regular basis ;p |
| 19:19.16 | TodPunk | I just get the google phones and I enjoy that perk, but without the taxes |
| 19:19.26 | TodPunk | taxes to my soul |
| 19:19.43 | fungus | I don't believe in a soul, so I don't care. |
| 19:19.55 | spangborn | You must be a ginger. |
| 19:19.59 | TodPunk | neither do I, but the contracts are still worth reading |
| 19:20.01 | jlp_znc | spangborn: I get an update on my Nexus 6 every month. Of course, I'm running a custom rom. |
| 19:20.15 | TodPunk | is still running a Nexus 4 |
| 19:21.10 | spangborn | Is stagefright still a thing? |
| 19:21.25 | spangborn | The last Android device I've used is a first-gen MotoX. |
| 19:21.34 | jlp_znc | TodPunk: I'm running Chroma, which is available on the N4, as well: http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-4/development/rom-chroma-03-31-2015-layers-t3069936 |
| 19:22.04 | TodPunk | eh, stock android is fine for me |
| 19:22.05 | fungus | finding a "small screen" Android phone that doesn't suck is very hard these days. |
| 19:22.16 | jlp_znc | latest update was 7 JUL. here's the change log: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1c7wNrT0khaipv-M0Z35OPQ8sxPHO-e9-Rk945fo4iJE/edit |
| 19:22.52 | joshh | even if you're one of those small screen people, it seems like getting a good android with a 5 inch or so screen would still be worth it, just optimize for non-size |
| 19:23.35 | joshh | the nexus 6 is a tad on the big side, but the samsung s6/s7 is nice |
| 19:23.40 | fungus | size is very important to me. It has to fit in my pocket. |
| 19:24.03 | jlp_znc | N5 was great... about the same size as the S5 that my wife has. |
| 19:24.04 | joshh | i have no issues with pockets and 5 inch phones |
| 19:24.21 | joshh | maybe if you have tight skinny jeans or something it would matter |
| 19:24.24 | jlp_znc | I only got the N6 because I "lost" my N5. |
| 19:24.38 | fungus | I have issues with my 4.7 inch phone in some of my pants. |
| 19:24.53 | fungus | I'm considering buying the iPhone SE |
| 19:24.59 | joshh | heh remember when people wore their phones on their belt |
| 19:25.04 | jlp_znc | I later found it in our china cabinet. No one will admit to putting it there, so I assume one of the cats must have done it. |
| 19:25.06 | fungus | lol |
| 19:25.23 | fungus | joshh, many people still do. |
| 19:25.31 | fungus | I sit near 4 of them. |
| 19:25.34 | joshh | lol |
| 19:26.41 | spangborn | What are they, pockets for ants? |
| 19:26.42 | jfindlay | do their phones have vintage tube circuits to guarantee warm audio? |
| 19:27.09 | jfindlay | xda-developers.com is the most frustrating website |
| 19:27.50 | spangborn | I find questionablecontent.horse to be more frustrating |
| 19:28.06 | ezakimak | wow. the amd radeon driver consumes 1/2 GB of disk space. |
| 19:28.21 | ezakimak | in windows, of course. |
| 19:28.54 | ezakimak | i can fit my entire linux os in that |
| 19:28.55 | jfindlay | forums were great 15 years ago, back when spreading coherent, useful information across 30 pages and 400 posts having a consistency of mainly manure |
| 19:29.14 | jfindlay | was obscured by the still novelty of the intarwebz |
| 19:29.24 | fungus | jfindlay, they are corporate IT people and like the belt clips. |
| 19:29.58 | TodPunk | ezakimak: if you're on a machine where that matters, I'd like to know how the rest of 1995 feels like currently |
| 19:30.02 | unum | I orginally got a belt clip for my original droid |
| 19:30.17 | unum | but I brok it sitting down a bed, and never looked back :) |
| 19:30.26 | fungus | spangborn, they make my ass look good. And that's a rare thing for me. :) |
| 19:30.48 | unum | I have an intel nuc with on board ssd |
| 19:30.56 | unum | the half gig could be an issue |
| 19:31.07 | spangborn | I didn't know a fungus could have an ass. |
| 19:31.08 | unum | I'm just hoping I don't have to run qbasic on it :p |
| 19:31.12 | spangborn | </snark> |
| 19:31.20 | TodPunk | jfindlay: I've been lamenting that forums haven't changed since 2000 |
| 19:31.32 | TodPunk | hell, most of them are still the same PHP codebase even |
| 19:31.40 | TodPunk | the ones that aren't are hipster garbage |
| 19:31.54 | unum | ya when I wear the pants my wife likes, there are some issues with having my edge in my pocket |
| 19:32.13 | spangborn | You wear your wife's pants? |
| 19:32.16 | spangborn | ducks |
| 19:32.26 | fungus | hehe |
| 19:32.48 | unum | no, but I do often buy and wear what she tells me to.... |
| 19:32.57 | spangborn | Haha, fairy nuff. |
| 19:33.02 | TodPunk | unum: you're not installing the radeon drivers for a practical super computer onto your NUC |
| 19:33.09 | unum | TodPunk: very true |
| 19:33.31 | programmerq | TodPunk: we have been using a discourse instance for forums.docker.com. I don't know if you consider that to be in the hipster garbage camp or not |
| 19:33.38 | programmerq | but it's the best forum implementation I've seen |
| 19:33.44 | programmerq | granted, I really loath the forum format. |
| 19:33.51 | programmerq | I think it's terrible and doesn't scale well. |
| 19:33.56 | programmerq | it's okay for smaller threads |
| 19:34.07 | TodPunk | programmerq: you mean the chat thing? |
| 19:34.26 | TodPunk | or discourse.org? |
| 19:34.39 | programmerq | but communities like minecraft and android that are happy to tell you to go f*** yourself because you didn't go to page 29 of a 6 month old forum post for last week's release of whatever the crap you're looking for are really frustrating. |
| 19:34.51 | programmerq | TodPunk: that isn't really a chat thing, it's definitely a forum. |
| 19:34.57 | jfindlay | TodPunk: forums are bad, but stack exchange style sites must have some kind of record for sifting out the meritocracy of trolls |
| 19:35.44 | ezakimak | they need to intergrate those w/a wiki |
| 19:36.03 | jfindlay | <your question was deleted because you didn't say simon says> |
| 19:36.09 | ezakimak | let actual answer posts get surfaced into wiki pages, and the discussion can continue to meander |
| 19:36.20 | TodPunk | ugh, wikis |
| 19:37.11 | ezakimak | wikis can be great |
| 19:37.17 | TodPunk | "Hey, we don't want to have any coherent or readable understanding of our docs, but still want to claim we have documentation, what do we do?" "Let's just dump whatever we come up with into articles on a wiki" "yeah!" |
| 19:37.37 | ezakimak | both formats are only as good as the community |
| 19:37.52 | ezakimak | shitty people == shitty content |
| 19:38.01 | unum | I've been using dokuwiki for our internal stuff, it's been really nice |
| 19:38.12 | TodPunk | new user: "Hey, I want to learn this X thing you've got going on here, where do I start?" "Oh, just consume the wiki as a whole" "Uh... ok, but starting where." "We've got a getting started page, it's just a collection of links to everything in the wiki. Start there." |
| 19:38.12 | unum | much better than the previous methods |
| 19:39.00 | ezakimak | i've seen some places that combine a wiki w/forum, and it can work rather well--moderated wiki entries answer most questions up front, limiting the number of idiotic, repeat question posts to the forum |
| 19:39.19 | ezakimak | although, that is what sticky posts are supposed to do in a forum |
| 19:39.30 | TodPunk | Wikis encourage laziness and poor organization. I've seen a few done well, but the majority of them are poor because the tool is a poor fit for it |
| 19:39.51 | ezakimak | it all boils down to effort |
| 19:40.06 | TodPunk | Just like you can't separate a programming language from its community, you can't separate wikis from their examples in the wild |
| 19:40.14 | TodPunk | Java encourages overengineering and verbosity |
| 19:40.27 | TodPunk | it doesn't matter how many anecdotal instances we have against that, the fact remains |
| 19:40.36 | jfindlay | the most annoying thing to me is the jerk community member who refuses to talk with you because you offended them somehow by asking a question |
| 19:40.38 | ezakimak | but you can separate a tool from a community of users--just ignore those people and use it however you want to |
| 19:40.49 | TodPunk | ~jfindlay++ |
| 19:40.53 | ezakimak | I do that all the time with python. |
| 19:41.12 | ezakimak | i learned early on not to ask about some patterns I use in #python |
| 19:41.21 | ezakimak | since they are not "the python way" |
| 19:41.26 | ezakimak | even though the python way sucks. |
| 19:41.56 | TodPunk | Granted, the older way of "read this entire RFC, it's difficult and boring but it has most of what you'll need, the rest of which we'll make up" for documentation wasn't a whole lot better |
| 19:43.07 | ezakimak | i've killed whole forrests printing out rfcs |
| 19:46.03 | TodPunk | I think my issue with Discourse is that it's very much stuck in the stack-overflow model, which is more question/answer things. It wouldn't scale for something like Something Awful size |
| 19:46.28 | TodPunk | Github issues are about equivalent to me |
| 19:46.47 | ezakimak | xda would benefit from an SO-style format |
| 19:47.19 | TodPunk | but Github issues require a lot more management of things like tags that don't work well for low-effort interactions that happen on github issues (because a user doesn't have to tag their issue with "help" or whatever) |
| 19:47.22 | jfindlay | askbot |
| 19:47.43 | TodPunk | xda-developers has too many people "releasing" things on it without keeping it in a first-post format |
| 19:48.03 | TodPunk | like "Here's this post I'll keep up to date with this thing I'm putting out there, ask questions about it in the rest of the thread" |
| 19:48.30 | ezakimak | yep. |
| 19:49.00 | jfindlay | and then the developer abandons the work in post 79 and you were supposed to have followed the whole thread to know what to migrate to |
| 19:49.33 | TodPunk | Instead it's always, "Hey, this thread about Device X is fun, someone asked about Device Y and I'll link you to page 17 of a thread about Device J that has a semi-related script someone threw together to help with something related to what you're talking about with Device M" |
| 19:49.47 | TodPunk | yes |
| 19:50.55 | spangborn | Sounds like most open-source forums |
| 19:59.07 | programmerq | yeah, I have no idea why more android devs don't just use github's releases feature. |
| 20:12.53 | TodPunk | for the same reason more PHP programmers don't sanitize inputs, they just have never been taught that it's a thing and it was so easy to get into making things all the while those practices never being required |
| 20:13.30 | TodPunk | see also: Javascript developers and understanding any given computing resource |
| 20:13.39 | jfindlay | :-) |
| 20:13.53 | TodPunk | hates all the things |
| 20:19.22 | RyanE | hates all the people who hate all the things. |
| 20:19.30 | RyanE | too harsh. :) |
| 20:19.30 | TodPunk | so meta! |
| 20:24.44 | jfindlay | 1 meta |
| 20:24.47 | jfindlay | 2 goto meta |
| 20:25.18 | TodPunk | I was trying to find a QBASIC for modern windows a few weeks back |
| 20:26.09 | TodPunk | Turns out there are some fancy BASICs but they all require odd toolchains and installs and I wasn't going to throw my 8 year old into that mix |
| 20:26.20 | TodPunk | Should be a web-based BASIC of some kind somewhere |
| 20:34.38 | jfindlay | I'm sure androidbasic is a thing :) |
| 20:35.27 | TodPunk | http://www.quitebasic.com/ |
| 20:47.04 | jfindlay | what's the big deal with NDA's? Can't people be trusted anymore? |
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| 20:52.04 | spangborn | What's the deal with contracts? Can't people be trusted anymore? ;p |
| 20:52.27 | jfindlay | totally |
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| 20:53.02 | jfindlay | like how all this legal stuff has to go rumage around in your personal life for the trivialest things |
| 20:56.01 | jfindlay | you can't even get a job anymore without registering for the Department of Orwellian Matters, signing 3 NDAs, and submitting to an employee contract that regulates what kind of shoes you're supposed to wear |
| 20:56.17 | jfindlay | it's like an HOA, but for your job |
| 20:57.09 | jfindlay | "cubicle decorations must conform to the following color scheme: drab, fungus, and barf" |
| 20:58.06 | fungus | unfortunately people cannot be trusted anymore. |
| 20:59.04 | jfindlay | I'm skeptical that on average, people are no worse than they have been throughout history |
| 20:59.51 | jfindlay | is full of opinions today |
| 21:00.09 | fungus | Agreed. People have not ever been trustworthy on the whole. We just encounter many more of them and more frequently run into the bad ones. |
| 21:00.23 | jfindlay | that's a good point |
| 21:14.36 | jlp_znc | https://www.reddit.com/r/HFY/comments/2b79sa/text_with_friends_like_these_alan_dean_foster/ |
| 21:45.13 | unum | TodPunk: we've been running on xp, but it looks like we are not going to try to get it running on 10 |
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