| 01:01.00 | spangborn | ~brave-- |
| 01:01.07 | spangborn | ~karma brave |
| 01:01.07 | infobot | brave has karma of 19 |
| 01:03.11 | spangborn | ~youtah-- |
| 01:03.20 | spangborn | ~karma youtah |
| 01:03.20 | infobot | youtah has neutral karma |
| 01:03.28 | spangborn | ~brave-- |
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| 14:58.01 | fadein | happy OpenWest week! |
| 14:58.44 | manithree | would MUCH rather attend openwest than the in-laws family reunion |
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| 15:25.54 | TodPunk | ~brave-- |
| 15:26.08 | TodPunk | manithree: there's nothing stopping you but yourself |
| 15:26.32 | TodPunk | "Don't you see? The power was within you all along!" |
| 15:27.37 | manithree | spangborn: https://www.facebook.com/chiefofpolicebillpartridge/videos/1703688743217499/ |
| 15:28.31 | manithree | TodPunk: And my desire to stay married |
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| 15:34.47 | spangborn | ~youtah-- |
| 15:35.20 | spangborn | ~brave-- |
| 15:42.22 | manithree | ~karma BLM |
| 15:42.22 | infobot | blm has neutral karma |
| 15:46.33 | TodPunk | ~brave-- |
| 15:46.43 | TodPunk | Bureau of Land Management? |
| 15:46.47 | spangborn | ~youtah-- |
| 15:46.50 | TodPunk | They should probably have positive karma |
| 15:46.54 | TodPunk | ~blm++ |
| 15:47.29 | manithree | ~karma BlackLivesMatter |
| 15:47.29 | infobot | blacklivesmatter has neutral karma |
| 15:47.45 | TodPunk | neutral is probably good for that one |
| 15:47.53 | TodPunk | as all twitter hashtags should be |
| 15:48.07 | TodPunk | #nohashtagsmatter |
| 15:48.16 | manithree | #blackgunsmatter |
| 15:48.25 | TodPunk | #pinkgunsmattermore |
| 15:48.44 | manithree | #agreed |
| 15:48.49 | manithree | #triggered |
| 15:48.56 | TodPunk | #hairlinetriggered |
| 15:49.03 | TodPunk | #bald |
| 15:49.33 | TodPunk | mmmmmm, openwest |
| 15:49.38 | TodPunk | I should probably finalize the rest of my talks |
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| 15:51.45 | TodPunk | How the hell can someone be allergic to chicken? |
| 15:51.49 | TodPunk | I call BS |
| 15:59.09 | spangborn | ~youtah-- |
| 15:59.50 | spangborn | ~brave-- |
| 16:04.03 | fadein | TodPunk: do you mean allergic to eating chicken, or merely being around them? |
| 16:04.16 | TodPunk | eating them |
| 16:04.21 | fadein | my wife is allergic to being around cats, but since she's never tried to eat one... |
| 16:04.33 | spangborn | Bahaha |
| 16:04.38 | TodPunk | ~brave-- |
| 16:07.11 | eightyeight | ~karma brave |
| 16:07.11 | infobot | brave has karma of 13 |
| 16:07.13 | eightyeight | heh |
| 16:07.23 | TodPunk | ~brave-- |
| 16:07.55 | TodPunk | need a ping command |
| 16:08.39 | eightyeight | ~karma ie |
| 16:08.39 | infobot | ie has karma of -809 |
| 16:37.21 | spangborn | ~brave-- |
| 16:37.26 | spangborn | ~karma brave |
| 16:37.26 | infobot | brave has karma of 11 |
| 16:40.28 | TodPunk | ~brave-- |
| 16:42.53 | spangborn | ~youtah-- |
| 16:43.11 | TodPunk | wow, youtah too, eh? |
| 16:43.22 | spangborn | Of course. |
| 16:43.28 | spangborn | ~karma youtah |
| 16:43.28 | infobot | youtah has karma of -4 |
| 16:43.35 | spangborn | He'll be sooooo happy |
| 16:50.09 | TodPunk | My neighborhood isn't very walkable outside of itself. I need more pokemon inside the neighborhood. |
| 16:50.30 | spangborn | ~youtan-- |
| 16:50.33 | spangborn | Doh |
| 16:50.34 | spangborn | Haha. |
| 16:50.39 | TodPunk | hahahaha |
| 16:50.40 | spangborn | ~youtah-- |
| 16:50.42 | TodPunk | ~brave-- |
| 16:50.46 | TodPunk | ~karma youtan |
| 16:50.46 | infobot | youtan has karma of -1 |
| 16:50.50 | TodPunk | amazing |
| 16:50.58 | spangborn | Karma typos ftw |
| 16:51.59 | spangborn | [NTDOY] NINTENDO CO LTD ADR 27.825 +7.095 (34.23%) | Cap: 26.74B | Volume (Avg): 3,709,022 (77,454) |
| 16:52.03 | spangborn | So uh... |
| 16:52.55 | TodPunk | pokemon |
| 16:53.02 | TodPunk | pokeymans |
| 17:02.27 | jfindlay | did github switch its default font to non-serif bold, or am I losing contact with reality? |
| 17:03.14 | spangborn | Where? |
| 17:03.21 | spangborn | I'm not seeing anything that looks that different? |
| 17:05.16 | jfindlay | I'm seeing it everywhere |
| 17:05.40 | jfindlay | maybe your github cdn is behind or something |
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| 17:10.28 | romanovic | github looks no different to me |
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| 17:11.07 | eightyeight | same |
| 17:12.23 | romanovic | maybe they've introduced some targeted A/B testing, waiting to see if poor typeface choice makes jfindlay feel more utilitarian and open-sourcey |
| 17:17.02 | jfindlay | http://jfindlay.us/images/Screenshot_2016-07-11_11-14-57.png |
| 17:18.05 | jfindlay | I also haven't looked at github in 2 weeks, so it's possible they changed it a while ago and you all have already accepted the new layout |
| 17:18.31 | TodPunk | jfindlay: you look so angry |
| 17:19.08 | d3c4f | less pull requests that way ;) |
| 17:19.12 | d3c4f | smart move |
| 17:19.30 | jfindlay | TodPunk: I know. I'm not good at photographs |
| 17:23.06 | TodPunk | I don't typically notice or care about fonts, and I use a real browser as well, so I can't really provide a good data point for you |
| 17:27.44 | jfindlay | what's a real browser? |
| 17:30.04 | eightyeight | a tourist? |
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| 17:30.46 | TodPunk | In my case, Chrome, but Edge, Firefox or Safari are also acceptable substitutes |
| 17:30.57 | manithree | ~palemoon++ |
| 17:31.22 | manithree | Palemoon rocks. Full OWA, no flash. |
| 17:31.35 | jfindlay | meh |
| 17:31.48 | jfindlay | no browser is really that great |
| 17:31.58 | TodPunk | They really aren'ts |
| 17:32.00 | manithree | It's a tool that works. |
| 17:32.00 | TodPunk | -s |
| 17:32.17 | TodPunk | Well, until you care about fonts, it seems |
| 17:32.39 | jfindlay | I have specific reasons for using palemoon, probably that many other people don't care about |
| 17:32.41 | TodPunk | (I'm not blaming palemoon, but man is it an easy target here) |
| 17:33.04 | jfindlay | TodPunk: could be |
| 17:33.14 | spangborn | ~youtah-- |
| 17:33.54 | jfindlay | maybe I'm only getting older, but I tend to prefer stuff that does a smaller set of things, but does them well |
| 17:37.53 | manithree | Looks the same in chrome as palemoon for me. |
| 17:39.40 | spangborn | Fonts on Linux tend to suck. |
| 17:39.53 | eightyeight | how so? |
| 17:40.17 | spangborn | Here's the font stack they're using: Helvetica,arial,nimbussansl,liberationsans,freesans,clean,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol" |
| 17:41.02 | spangborn | Well, you don't get the non-free fonts, for one. |
| 17:41.22 | spangborn | Out of the box, at least. |
| 17:42.02 | spangborn | And aside from Roboto, most of the fonts you do ship with are not great. |
| 17:42.24 | eightyeight | how though? what is wrong with them? |
| 17:42.57 | spangborn | Ugly, dated. |
| 17:43.25 | eightyeight | i've never noticed this |
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| 17:47.03 | jfindlay | I've never seen a date written with an ugly font |
| 17:47.43 | spangborn | haha |
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| 18:16.49 | spangborn | ~youtah-- |
| 18:24.42 | levi | Whee, that was a fun Linux debug session. |
| 18:25.08 | spangborn | Find the bug? |
| 18:25.15 | levi | Yup! |
| 18:25.58 | levi | Coworker rebooted his Ubuntu machine and it came back up with an error about not being able to mount /dev/bus/usb or something. |
| 18:26.48 | levi | Commented that out in /etc/fstab after trying to get some more error info without luck and it booted, but the X display just went black. |
| 18:27.27 | levi | Logged in on a virtual console, and got a bunch of permisson errors writing to /dev/null. |
| 18:29.29 | levi | Turns out the udevd config had a screwy file, which made it not do the /dev permissions correctly for some reason after transitioning from the initrd. |
| 18:30.07 | TodPunk | he's been hacked! |
| 18:30.14 | TodPunk | (I don't know if he has been, actually) |
| 18:30.24 | spangborn | I think /dev/null did it |
| 18:30.38 | spangborn | It's a black hole of trickery |
| 18:36.41 | levi | Well, yeah. The lightdm log file had a dev/null permission error. |
| 18:38.24 | levi | The screwy udevd file was due to trying to get a usb development board to show up in virtualbox. |
| 18:40.04 | manithree | So the user modified the udev config file? |
| 18:41.22 | levi | Added an entry to the rules.d directory |
| 18:42.18 | levi | This is sometimes required for funky USB debuggers. |
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| 18:48.13 | manithree | At least you CAN figure stuff like that out on Linux. Instead of "re-format and re-install" |
| 18:48.40 | TodPunk | has only had to reinstall any OS once, and it was OSX |
| 18:48.57 | TodPunk | Hosed upgrade, that one was |
| 18:50.00 | levi | It didn't take me very long to figure it out, but it was a bit tricky. I'm not complaining, just sharing. |
| 18:52.20 | manithree | I started politely refusing to re-install windows for friends most relatives. They just buy new computers now |
| 18:57.38 | TodPunk | Does anyone know of any after-events for OpenWest? |
| 19:26.56 | jfindlay | you mean 'OpenWest, the after party'? |
| 19:28.42 | unum | I used to reinstall windows 98 every 3 months |
| 19:30.17 | TodPunk | sure, jfindlay, if that's what it's called |
| 19:30.30 | TodPunk | Last time I went there were speakers or startup events or whatever else afterward |
| 19:30.36 | TodPunk | but not part of the main conference |
| 19:30.51 | TodPunk | That was probably 2014? |
| 19:31.52 | unum | seems like they try to put something together |
| 19:32.37 | unum | I should probably send out my out of office notice today |
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| 21:00.25 | jfindlay | ~napoleon eightyeight |
| 21:00.25 | infobot | ACTION throws eightyeight's favorite Masters of the Universe action figure out the bus window attached to a fishing line |
| 21:00.33 | spangborn | ~youtah-- |
| 21:06.08 | TodPunk | ~brave-- |
| 21:07.56 | spangborn | ~brave-- |
| 21:18.01 | unum | why are we picking on eightyeight? |
| 21:18.19 | TodPunk | We are? |
| 21:18.23 | TodPunk | ~brave-- |
| 21:18.31 | spangborn | ~youtah-- |
| 21:18.34 | spangborn | ~karma youtah |
| 21:18.34 | infobot | youtah has karma of -9 |
| 21:18.37 | eightyeight | ~eightyeight-- |
| 21:18.41 | spangborn | That's probably good. |
| 21:18.47 | spangborn | ~eightyeight++ |
| 21:18.48 | TodPunk | probably |
| 21:18.54 | TodPunk | ~karma eightyeight |
| 21:18.54 | infobot | eightyeight has karma of 7 |
| 21:19.01 | unum | ~karma unum |
| 21:19.01 | infobot | unum has karma of 10 |
| 21:19.01 | TodPunk | eightyeight should obviously have 88 karma |
| 21:19.03 | spangborn | 7. The best number. |
| 21:19.11 | TodPunk | 12 is pretty awesome |
| 21:19.29 | unum | 1 is the best |
| 21:19.32 | eightyeight | ~TodPunk++ |
| 21:19.35 | eightyeight | ~unum++ |
| 21:19.40 | eightyeight | ~spangborn++ |
| 21:19.49 | TodPunk | Your peace offerings are noted |
| 21:25.16 | jfindlay | the best number ever so far is the ackermann number |
| 21:25.22 | jfindlay | ~ackermann number |
| 21:25.27 | jfindlay | whatever |
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| 21:28.14 | TodPunk | ~ackermannnumber |
| 21:28.16 | TodPunk | bah |
| 21:30.19 | spangborn | ~karma spangborn |
| 21:30.19 | infobot | spangborn has karma of -1 |
| 21:30.25 | spangborn | Still negative, as I should be. |
| 21:30.28 | TodPunk | ~spangborn++ |
| 21:30.33 | spangborn | damnit. |
| 21:31.41 | eightyeight | ~spangborn++ |
| 21:33.35 | spangborn | notes that reverse psychology does in fact work |
| 21:33.56 | fungus | ~sprangborn++ |
| 21:34.07 | spangborn | You rang? |
| 21:34.14 | fungus | ~spangborn++ |
| 21:37.26 | TodPunk | ~spangborn-- |
| 21:37.41 | TodPunk | ~brave-- |
| 21:37.52 | spangborn | Now you have to hedge your bets, is keeping me on neutral something I want? |
| 21:41.51 | TodPunk | Do you think it matters to me? |
| 21:41.57 | TodPunk | so meta |
| 21:42.32 | eightyeight | ~spangborn++ |
| 21:42.34 | eightyeight | ~unum++ |
| 21:42.36 | eightyeight | ~TodPunk++ |
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| 21:42.50 | TodPunk | ~josephscott++ |
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| 21:53.03 | jfindlay | eightyeight: where are the instructions to your key signing deal? |
| 21:53.10 | eightyeight | for openwest? |
| 21:53.13 | jfindlay | yeah |
| 21:54.00 | jfindlay | I guess I could have searched for it |
| 21:54.13 | eightyeight | https://www.openwest.org/key-signing-party/ |
| 21:54.39 | jfindlay | thanks |
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| 23:30.40 | jfindlay | eightyeight: https links to cacert.org in your instructions give me: sec_error_untrusted_issuer |
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