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| 13:46.46 | manithree | http://www.libertyviral.com/wtf-united-states-senator-says-due-process-is-whats-killing-us-right-now/# |
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| 14:32.55 | fadein | That reminds me of the time in a high school debate when my straight-faced opponent said during a debate about capital punishment "what, do you want them to judge people on a case-by-case basis?" |
| 14:40.46 | manithree | Sadly, his statement is factually true, but at the same time terrifying, given his position. |
| 14:40.59 | manithree | Here comes the department of pre-crime. |
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| 16:56.52 | fadein | wow, slow day today |
| 16:57.17 | TodPunk | it's Friday |
| 16:57.21 | TodPunk | what do you want? |
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| 17:07.19 | TodPunk | misaligned on my display |
| 17:07.35 | TodPunk | guess I'm not using a monospace font, first time I've noticed |
| 17:07.35 | eightyeight | not using a monospace font? |
| 17:08.02 | TodPunk | There we go |
| 17:12.44 | jfindlay | ~napoleon |
| 17:12.44 | infobot | Just listen to your heart. That's what I do. |
| 17:15.30 | programmerq | TodPunk: you're not using a monospace font?!?!?!!! |
| 17:17.35 | TodPunk | Well I am now |
| 17:17.44 | programmerq | you monster! |
| 17:17.51 | programmerq | runs away in tears |
| 17:17.53 | TodPunk | the quassel client on this machine just hadn't been set to one yet |
| 17:17.56 | TodPunk | pansy |
| 17:18.47 | TodPunk | So camping in Utah sometimes apparently uses this "envelope" method of payment |
| 17:19.10 | TodPunk | I can see why someone would have anxiety about this method on a first-time basis, as I can't find any info about it |
| 17:19.37 | eightyeight | https://twitter.com/AaronToponce/status/743839787203735552 |
| 17:19.58 | TodPunk | This seems like it would be a solved problem (I guess it is?) but you'd think we'd have better tech surrounding this all, like "there's an app for that" scenario |
| 17:22.56 | programmerq | eightyeight: agreed. I hate it when people send in pastes that just have <redacted> for _everything_ |
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| 17:23.36 | programmerq | "what are your ldap settings" oh let me grab those: <redacted> <redacted> <redacted> <redacted> what do I need to do different? |
| 17:23.47 | eightyeight | heh |
| 17:24.08 | programmerq | true story too |
| 17:24.15 | programmerq | at that point, I just start feeding them examples |
| 17:24.27 | programmerq | "openldap might look like this" "AD might look like that" |
| 17:24.41 | eightyeight | i just had to sanitize a paste of prosody logs for a support ticket |
| 17:24.57 | eightyeight | figured i'd tweet it |
| 17:24.58 | jfindlay | I always have trouble understanding 'foo' 'bar' examples |
| 17:25.11 | eightyeight | there's an RFC for that also |
| 17:25.41 | eightyeight | https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3092 |
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| 17:26.56 | programmerq | for sanitizing ldap settings, I'll do stuff like: ldap.example.com cn=bob,OU=People,o=example.com |
| 17:27.33 | keldwud | ew, that looks like windows stuff |
| 17:28.35 | jfindlay | I've never understood ldap, probably because to get openldap to work you have to configure 13 config files, and start 7 services across 5 servers |
| 17:28.38 | TodPunk | no, it's LDAP |
| 17:28.45 | TodPunk | which Active Directory is a superset of |
| 17:28.47 | TodPunk | sort of |
| 17:28.58 | TodPunk | (there's a few features in LDAP that aren't in AD) |
| 17:29.05 | jfindlay | and every tutorial is so different from the other that you wonder whether they are even talking about the same thing |
| 17:29.07 | TodPunk | (but nobody usually cares about that) |
| 17:29.40 | keldwud | have any of you tried out redis cluster yet? |
| 17:29.40 | TodPunk | I like LDAP, and I get it because it's based on Netware, which I learned way back when |
| 17:29.56 | TodPunk | but if I didn't have that I'd probably not understand what the hell anything was about |
| 17:30.12 | TodPunk | keldwud: I have yet to see a need for an entire cluster |
| 17:30.31 | keldwud | what would be some use cases requiring an entire cluster? |
| 17:30.32 | TodPunk | like, if you're a huge web company, I get that |
| 17:30.36 | keldwud | maybe I'm over-doing it |
| 17:30.52 | keldwud | oh, yeah, definitely lots of web stuff going on here |
| 17:31.21 | TodPunk | it's just a key-value store, and you shouldn't be using it for large critical pieces of data, so it ends up not taking up much in any use case I've imagined it |
| 17:31.23 | keldwud | well, if nobody else is doing it yet, I'll just document and share my process then |
| 17:32.50 | keldwud | I think I'm getting confused around what cluster means and what master/slave means because it appears that cluster nodes still have master/slave relationships |
| 17:32.56 | jfindlay | keldwud: people buy keys and values from your web store? |
| 17:33.14 | keldwud | jfindlay: hah |
| 17:33.33 | TodPunk | keldwud: a master is the one with authority. You might be able to read/write to both, or maybe just read from both, or whatever. Should find that out. |
| 17:33.58 | keldwud | TodPunk: well I get what master/slaves do and I get what clusters do |
| 17:34.19 | jfindlay | with complex things I always start with something I know how to work and then revise later from experience and learning |
| 17:34.22 | keldwud | but in the context of redis, while reading the comments in the .conf file, I am confused as to how they are using the terms together |
| 17:35.18 | TodPunk | they might be overloading them, in which case you have to build a couple instances of them in your mind and see which they're referring to every time. Confusing docs suck |
| 17:36.45 | keldwud | ok, here's the difference |
| 17:36.52 | keldwud | "data is automatically sharded across multiple Redis nodes" |
| 17:43.31 | keldwud | I like this here: "adding and removing nodes... does not require any downtime" |
| 17:44.35 | spangborn | CIA chief confirms war on terror has created a lot more terrorists |
| 17:44.37 | spangborn | SURPRISE! |
| 17:46.14 | keldwud | marginalizing and ostracizing people causes them to become violent? |
| 17:46.19 | keldwud | bollocks |
| 17:46.31 | keldwud | only bad people do bad things |
| 17:46.41 | keldwud | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.44 | keldwud | just in case |
| 17:53.42 | TodPunk | I hate that the social activism buzzwords |
| 17:53.47 | TodPunk | -that |
| 17:54.02 | TodPunk | They ruin good discussion of problems |
| 17:54.38 | TodPunk | Like any time someone uses "toxic" you know they're going to only preach to the choir, and the choir isn't doing jack to help anyone so it's now a useless discussion |
| 18:10.31 | levi | sodium cyanide is highly toxic, but also very useful in the refining of gold. |
| 18:11.50 | TodPunk | reading comprehension skills, yo |
| 18:11.57 | TodPunk | (I know you're just being pedantic) |
| 18:15.13 | levi | But yeah, there are definitely words that will immediately trigger a conflict if there are people involved in various social media wars around. Not helpful for having actual conversation. |
| 18:15.49 | TodPunk | Tribalism sucks |
| 18:17.28 | levi | People like to blame religion or lack thereof as the root of conflicts, but that's just a very common tribal boundary. |
| 18:23.44 | levi | But anyway, I recently watched some chemistry youtube videos wherein a gold coin was dissolved in aqua regia and later precipitated out of solution and then melted back down into nugget form. It was pretty cool to watch. |
| 18:25.04 | levi | This is also (part of) how gold is recovered from electronics waste, which I watched some videos about as well. |
| 18:25.12 | programmerq | levi: this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoqU1GfIOkI |
| 18:25.40 | TodPunk | There was that dude who hid his nobel prize or something from the nazis back then |
| 18:25.46 | TodPunk | using a similar thing |
| 18:26.36 | levi | programmerq: Yeah, I watched a bunch of his videos one night. |
| 18:30.36 | levi | programmerq: I like how the disclaimers at the beginning vary according to the potential danger of the experiment. |
| 18:33.44 | romanovic | spangborn: we also tend to follow long-held traditions of dehumanising the enemy, makes it a little bit easier to kill them, and less likely their non-combatant neighbors and families will view the western world favorably |
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| 18:43.58 | romanovic | but that being said, I've been impressed with many military leaders who learned this lesson and have made the effort to understand the lives and motivations of these people like fellow human beings, and have changed their approach |
| 18:45.31 | romanovic | That's often not visible. Usually what everyone sees is "more drone strikes today" |
| 18:48.12 | programmerq | https://youtu.be/K4NRJoCNHIs?t=55 |
| 18:48.30 | TodPunk | romanovic: in no small part because it's easier to "report" with FUD |
| 18:48.45 | TodPunk | sensationalizing things is what we do as humans |
| 18:52.33 | programmerq | I guess that wasn't the clip I was going for, but still relevant I guess. |
| 18:52.47 | levi | Also, sensationalizing things pays the bills at media companies. |
| 18:58.06 | TodPunk | it can, yes. It's not the only way, but other ways are much harder |
| 18:58.27 | TodPunk | There are a lot of publications that are niche that make their money purely from subscriptions, for instance |
| 18:58.31 | TodPunk | but the margins are lower |
| 18:59.41 | programmerq | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4NRJoCNHIs&feature=youtu.be&t=546 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4NRJoCNHIs&feature=youtu.be&t=582 were the clips I was trying to find. |
| 18:59.51 | programmerq | same video, just later |
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| 19:17.18 | utahcon | sssssshhhhh!!!! |
| 19:20.49 | TodPunk | NEVAR |
| 19:20.53 | TodPunk | ~ie-- |
| 19:21.09 | TodPunk | ~kronk |
| 19:21.09 | infobot | Did you see that sky today? Talk about blue. |
| 19:21.39 | youtah | YOUR MOM GOES TO COLLEGE |
| 19:21.44 | youtah | ~youtah |
| 19:21.44 | infobot | Did someone say Nachos? |
| 19:22.32 | youtah | So is everyone going to come visit the Utah Valley Amateur Radio Club's field day? |
| 19:22.42 | youtah | you're all invited |
| 19:23.31 | utahcon | Sorry bro, other plans, like NOT driving 1800 miles this weekend :D |
| 19:26.23 | spangborn | youtah: Why you so grumpy about this week? |
| 19:26.59 | youtah | utahcon! Not even if I promise to give you a real hug this time? |
| 19:27.26 | youtah | spangborn try getting 3 root canals (two do overs) on the same tooth, followed up with an infection in your cheek bone. |
| 19:27.26 | utahcon | Nope, sorry. |
| 19:27.44 | utahcon | Did you see that reddit with the tooth nerve?! |
| 19:27.50 | youtah | no |
| 19:27.51 | spangborn | Sheesh. Do you get that kind of dental work done once a week? |
| 19:28.21 | utahcon | https://imgur.com/Ny3pLxW |
| 19:28.24 | youtah | I finally had to go into an endodontists to get it fixed. I have been in so much pain |
| 19:28.27 | utahcon | that is where rediit linked |
| 19:29.09 | youtah | that's my life utahcon |
| 19:29.41 | spangborn | buys youtah an electric toothbrush |
| 19:29.51 | youtah | has one... love it! |
| 19:31.00 | utahcon | just zaps his mouth with electrified caffeine once a week |
| 19:31.11 | utahcon | hurts like heck, but no cavities! |
| 19:31.23 | youtah | lol |
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| 19:32.18 | spangborn | youtah: You just need prosthetic teeth at this point. |
| 19:33.04 | utahcon | how great would that be... |
| 19:34.01 | youtah | Yup |
| 19:34.07 | youtah | I could bite all the fishing string I wanted |
| 19:34.32 | spangborn | Brush your teeth with a power washer, too |
| 19:34.47 | youtah | and I'd put little LEDs in them so they'd like up each time I bit down on them. Kind of like those shoes kids wear. |
| 19:35.10 | spangborn | You'd be a hit at parties with that. |
| 19:35.16 | utahcon | dude... your teeth would be cooler than Lil Wayne's |
| 19:35.59 | youtah | cornered in a dark alley... bite down... BLAM! Blind your opponent |
| 19:36.29 | youtah | super annoying in movie theaters I suppose |
| 19:37.01 | utahcon | depends... will it have settings? |
| 19:37.11 | utahcon | you could turn them down to a lovely ambient mode |
| 19:37.21 | youtah | Oh, that would be awesome |
| 19:37.30 | youtah | or change them to different colors for different moods |
| 19:37.37 | youtah | red for valentines day |
| 19:38.01 | youtah | Green for Christmas |
| 19:38.16 | youtah | Black for our wedding anniversaries as we mourn our bachelorhood |
| 19:39.32 | eightyeight | ~worf |
| 19:39.32 | infobot | Words come later. It is the scent that first speaks of love. |
| 19:44.51 | utahcon | Do they have party mode? |
| 19:44.59 | utahcon | blinky teeth! |
| 19:45.28 | utahcon | youtah: until you can get yours, these might work: http://m.dhgate.com/product/50pcs-lot-2014-newest-arrival-hot-sale-high/207019559.html |
| 19:45.43 | youtah | HA |
| 19:45.47 | youtah | we should get these |
| 19:46.27 | youtah | https://www.amazon.com/T-Trees-Flashing-Mouthpiece-Teeth-Halloween/dp/B00WR4BJDE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1466192768&sr=8-2&keywords=Flashing+Mouth+LED+Teeth |
| 19:47.07 | youtah | utahcon, https://www.amazon.com/Flashing-Mouthpiece-Original-Factory-Packaging/dp/B00909598U/ref=sr_1_1 |
| 19:47.27 | youtah | I am SOOOOO tempted to order this |
| 19:58.00 | spangborn | Of course you are ;p |
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| 20:41.19 | keldwud | hmm.. let's say I have two very generic words in my search term that have very specific meanings... |
| 20:41.34 | keldwud | like, let's say I wanted to find out how salt handles make |
| 20:41.39 | keldwud | I can't really google salt make |
| 20:41.50 | keldwud | or even use salt's documentation search to look for make |
| 20:41.57 | keldwud | since the word make is *everywhere* |
| 20:42.04 | keldwud | what else would I call it? |
| 20:42.14 | keldwud | I want to use salt to compile something from source |
| 20:42.18 | RyanE | build? |
| 20:42.36 | keldwud | nope, still too generic and ambiguous |
| 20:42.53 | RyanE | "compiling from source using salt" seems to return results in google. |
| 20:43.02 | RyanE | of course, not knowing salt, I don't know if they're valid. |
| 20:43.04 | RyanE | :) |
| 20:43.13 | keldwud | perfect |
| 20:43.14 | keldwud | thanks |
| 20:43.18 | TodPunk | keldwud: salt makefile |
| 20:43.20 | keldwud | that actually helped me anrrow it down some |
| 20:43.20 | RyanE | it's what you just said above... |
| 20:43.21 | TodPunk | or that |
| 20:43.28 | keldwud | TodPunk: oh cool, thanks |
| 20:43.32 | RyanE | yeah, explaining something to someone else always helps. |
| 20:43.39 | joshh | wouldn't it be best to have the packaging done some other way, and salt to just install the package? |
| 20:43.40 | keldwud | rubber duck :) |
| 20:43.51 | keldwud | joshh: you're probably right |
| 20:43.51 | TodPunk | joshh: yes, yes it would |
| 20:44.12 | keldwud | but I've never packaged something from source to distribute in a localized environment |
| 20:44.13 | jfindlay | unless you're using salt to automate package building |
| 20:44.13 | joshh | have jenkins or something build a deb and push it to your mirror, and salt just tell the box to install it |
| 20:44.39 | jfindlay | see, for example the rpmbuild and debbuild exec modules |
| 20:44.39 | keldwud | I'm just trying to write my salt states to install redis |
| 20:44.43 | jfindlay | and pkgbuild state |
| 20:44.52 | keldwud | and redis isn't pre-packaged |
| 20:44.58 | keldwud | at least, not the redis I want |
| 20:45.03 | jfindlay | we use those to automate the building of salt's packages |
| 20:45.18 | joshh | keldwud: do you have a CI system and an internal package mirrors? |
| 20:45.35 | keldwud | electric cloud :( |
| 20:45.37 | joshh | salt might have cool stuff but im stuck thinking of it as a config management system only |
| 20:45.46 | keldwud | and we don't have internal package mirrors that I'm aware of |
| 20:46.02 | joshh | why do you need a newer redis than the distro? |
| 20:46.15 | joshh | that might mean your devs are using redis wrong |
| 20:46.19 | keldwud | does the distro have the version that supports redis cluster? |
| 20:46.26 | keldwud | I'm probably the one using it wrong |
| 20:46.32 | keldwud | I'll take the blame for that |
| 20:46.54 | keldwud | I have no clue what they need it for, just that they needed it but I couldn't get anyone to tell me exactly what it was going to be used for |
| 20:47.06 | keldwud | maybe I should re-think the whole thing |
| 20:47.07 | keldwud | lol |
| 20:47.11 | jfindlay | joshh: depending on your needs, it wouldn't be that hard to use salt for CI |
| 20:47.25 | joshh | interesting |
| 20:47.43 | keldwud | yeah, we plan on using salt to help us out with some of our CI |
| 20:48.04 | keldwud | but you guys raise some good points about my whole redis thing |
| 20:48.06 | jfindlay | using the event system |
| 20:48.17 | jfindlay | and the scheduler, etc. |
| 20:48.28 | spangborn | gets out of a sticky situation http://m.imgur.com/sKILs5Z?r |
| 20:48.31 | joshh | can the data be lost? if not, don't use redis |
| 20:48.46 | jfindlay | s/redis/$database/ :-) |
| 20:48.48 | joshh | it's good for a cache |
| 20:49.01 | joshh | and a queue, but you might need persistence then |
| 20:49.07 | joshh | everythign sucks for that though |
| 20:49.18 | jfindlay | at least I've heard the same for mongodb |
| 20:50.50 | keldwud | yeah, I should probably nail down the use case better |
| 20:51.19 | keldwud | I just kind of blindly trusted everyone above me knew what they needed it for |
| 20:51.33 | keldwud | turns out there's only one guy who has written any code that interfaces with it |
| 20:51.40 | joshh | worst case though, you may want to get an internal mirror going, package it yourself and put it there. especially if you won't need to rebuild often |
| 20:52.11 | keldwud | joshh: about how long would it take a semi-experienced person to learn how to do that and implement it? |
| 20:52.54 | keldwud | also, if I *do* end up needing redis-cluster functionality, it may be that this will be the only case where I am compiling from source |
| 20:53.02 | joshh | not sure, maybe a couple days depending on interrupts and whatnot |
| 20:53.08 | keldwud | so it might be quicker to just have salt do it since it's a one-off |
| 20:53.31 | joshh | a true one off is ok and faster to do manually, imo |
| 20:53.41 | keldwud | man. start the day all super excited about deploying stuff, then come to irc and realize I have to question my very premise |
| 20:53.42 | keldwud | :) |
| 20:54.09 | keldwud | just one of those "what *am* I doing?" moments |
| 20:54.11 | joshh | well find what what the use case is and why a newer version is needed |
| 20:54.52 | keldwud | the only reason for the newer version would be for clustering, to shard the data across redis instances |
| 20:55.34 | keldwud | but yeah, guess I should put this on hold 'til the affected party gets back from PTO |
| 20:55.43 | keldwud | next project! :) |
| 20:56.23 | keldwud | btw guys, if you ever need to know anything about control-m workload automation and batch processing, I've learned a shit-ton about it in the last few months and would be happy to share anything I've learned about it |
| 20:56.46 | keldwud | it's proprietary enterprise software and documentation on it is sparse |
| 20:57.48 | TodPunk | What the hell is control-m? |
| 20:57.51 | joshh | without knowing anything about where you work, i'd say it's probably worth it to get your own package mirrors, as well as one for "internal" packages, and either write a script that can build stuff and push it there, or do it through your CI system |
| 20:58.09 | TodPunk | enterprise and proprietary, suddenly this is irrelevant to me |
| 20:58.19 | jfindlay | :) |
| 21:01.43 | youtah | TodPunk, http://i.imgur.com/a14sCr8.png?1 |
| 21:01.58 | TodPunk | goddam trolls |
| 21:02.12 | TodPunk | (brilliant though) |
| 21:02.18 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/zovPM7M.jpg |
| 21:03.02 | jfindlay | ~napoleon youtah |
| 21:03.03 | infobot | ACTION eats all of youtah's steak |
| 21:04.53 | TodPunk | tragic event, I can see that nobody is at fault, everyone outraged is an idiot |
| 21:05.04 | eightyeight | ~worf |
| 21:05.04 | infobot | I did not faint. Klingons do not faint. |
| 21:05.17 | youtah | especially considering there was a "No Swimming" sign |
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| 21:05.42 | TodPunk | two year olds can't usually read, to be fair |
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| 21:06.15 | utahcon | wading is not swimming |
| 21:06.29 | youtah | the parents were holding the childs hand when it was nabbed |
| 21:06.49 | youtah | the father tried to beat off the alligator and finally gave up after his arm was ruthlessly chomped |
| 21:06.51 | utahcon | o.0 |
| 21:07.38 | utahcon | Florida: it's in the water |
| 21:07.50 | youtah | Interestingly, they found the child whole, and completely in tact. |
| 21:07.52 | utahcon | Sharks... rays... gators... rednecks... nope! |
| 21:08.18 | youtah | So they theorize that the gator let go of the child immediately afterwards |
| 21:08.19 | TodPunk | guaranteed that child drown in that gator's stomach |
| 21:08.27 | TodPunk | or not |
| 21:08.36 | TodPunk | I thought they found the kid in the gator |
| 21:08.53 | youtah | Oh, maybe I misread it |
| 21:08.54 | TodPunk | youtah: you need better hobbies |
| 21:09.05 | TodPunk | no, I just hear secondary information from people like you |
| 21:09.09 | TodPunk | who have too much time |
| 21:09.15 | TodPunk | way too much time |
| 21:09.21 | TodPunk | make lolcats or something like the others |
| 21:10.25 | youtah | yeah, not eaten. Just a few bites. Suspect he drown |
| 21:10.28 | youtah | http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/15/us/alligator-attacks-child-disney-florida/ |
| 21:11.19 | youtah | you know what's crazy, is that I have been there |
| 21:11.29 | youtah | and I have... heh... put my feet in that water |
| 21:13.14 | TodPunk | I have more interest in wrestling a bear than an alligator |
| 21:13.24 | TodPunk | but that doesn't say much |
| 21:13.38 | youtah | http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/08/2-people-die-as-bear-flies-through-suv/ |
| 21:13.59 | youtah | dont ask me how I knew that that existed |
| 21:14.35 | joshh | yikes |
| 21:15.32 | utahcon | flying bears?! |
| 21:15.35 | utahcon | clicks |
| 21:16.03 | youtah | lol |
| 21:16.15 | youtah | "It was a 300-pound bullet," he said. |
| 21:16.56 | utahcon | mating season... that explains a lot |
| 21:17.01 | utahcon | bears love mating |
| 21:17.13 | TodPunk | I love mating |
| 21:17.23 | utahcon | are you a bear?! |
| 21:17.31 | youtah | kind of |
| 21:17.35 | TodPunk | no |
| 21:17.42 | youtah | bs, I've met you IRL |
| 21:18.04 | utahcon | all things youtah meets are bears |
| 21:18.08 | utahcon | and you like mating |
| 21:18.11 | utahcon | the evidence is mounting |
| 21:18.16 | utahcon | mounting... lol |
| 21:18.19 | youtah | lol |
| 21:18.21 | youtah | gross |
| 21:18.44 | TodPunk | I'm nowhere near hairy enough to be a bear |
| 21:19.02 | levi | Not since you went for the clean-shaven look. |
| 21:19.03 | joshh | lumbersexual? |
| 21:19.21 | utahcon | do not google... do not google... |
| 21:19.39 | utahcon | googled |
| 21:19.39 | joshh | basically just a name for hipsters that look like urban woodcutters |
| 21:19.42 | TodPunk | I can't even grow a proper beard |
| 21:19.47 | joshh | like metrosexuals with beards and boots |
| 21:20.00 | youtah | and flannel |
| 21:20.01 | levi | I could have sworn I remembered you having a goatee. |
| 21:20.15 | TodPunk | A long time ago, yeah |
| 21:20.15 | programmerq | TodPunk: have you seen the revenant? |
| 21:20.21 | TodPunk | no, no I haven't |
| 21:20.28 | jfindlay | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkRog16ODY4 |
| 21:20.38 | joshh | i seem to recall some pic of you that got linked where you looked kinda like james hetfield |
| 21:20.51 | joshh | but it's very vague |
| 21:21.54 | TodPunk | I mean, my linkedin profile pic is public and is basically the same pic I use everywhere, and has a goatee |
| 21:22.15 | utahcon | Hobo-sexual... roflmao |
| 21:22.33 | joshh | ya, this one https://avatars0.githubusercontent.com/u/1166358?v=3&s=460 |
| 21:22.50 | TodPunk | It's only like, 4 years old |
| 21:22.54 | joshh | like a cross between metallica singer and a viking |
| 21:23.05 | TodPunk | I can get behind this description |
| 21:23.45 | joshh | put it on your tinder description |
| 21:23.47 | programmerq | TodPunk: if you like bear wrestling, you should watch that. |
| 21:23.56 | utahcon | yeah, I can see the hetfield likeness |
| 21:24.51 | utahcon | "if you like bear wrestling" -- as if there is anyone NOT into it |
| 21:26.08 | TodPunk | Some people less so than I am |
| 21:26.20 | utahcon | less... but not NOT |
| 21:26.25 | utahcon | goes back to working |
| 21:26.36 | utahcon | and by working I mean... "working" |
| 21:26.53 | TodPunk | is friday |
| 21:27.09 | TodPunk | that said, I'm being surprisingly productive |
| 21:27.12 | utahcon | I don't need excuses |
| 21:27.38 | utahcon | I have mastered the art of low expectations |
| 21:28.02 | utahcon | low enough to never get called out, high enough to not get fired |
| 21:29.29 | TodPunk | Expectations at our company are basically "we figure out the clostest thing to reality deliverable that our CEO 'designed' into the page, and we do it at a pace that doesn't make us angry with him all the time" |
| 21:30.59 | utahcon | our company runs on a fictional time pace (called: zulily time) that is supposed to be break neck speed |
| 21:31.05 | utahcon | unfortunately I work with vendors... |
| 21:31.10 | utahcon | they have NO concept of REAL time |
| 21:31.42 | TodPunk | As an example, a couple days ago we learned that the "colored checkmark" legend on this google chart in his mockup is supposed to be interactive and simply include that dataset or not based on the checking of it |
| 21:32.11 | TodPunk | I like Zulily time |
| 21:32.19 | TodPunk | I could watch it pass by all day |
| 21:32.57 | utahcon | ZT comes with tech debt |
| 21:33.01 | utahcon | inherent |
| 21:33.05 | TodPunk | of course |
| 21:33.35 | utahcon | I'd say... 3x of normal time |
| 21:33.36 | *** join/#utah tristanbob_l (~tristanbo@137.190.208.10) |
| 21:34.02 | utahcon | but meetings seem to run on sub normal time |
| 21:34.31 | utahcon | luckily, I have a manager, and he handles those because... I'm not a people person. |
| 21:34.41 | utahcon | which isn't true |
| 21:34.47 | utahcon | I love people... just not the stupid ones |
| 21:35.35 | TodPunk | I absolutely unabashadly play on my phone in meetings that aren't relevant, and when asked why I'm being rude (this has only happened once) I am happy to reply they're wasting everyone's time by still talking so I'm just enjoying the process |
| 21:35.47 | TodPunk | *unabashedly |
| 21:36.08 | TodPunk | The speaker never seems to appreciate this for some reason |
| 21:36.32 | youtah | #!/bin/unabashedly |
| 21:36.47 | TodPunk | The new shell from Apple |
| 21:36.52 | youtah | lol |
| 21:37.21 | youtah | you know what they call the repo's at Apple? |
| 21:37.26 | youtah | Apple Sauce |
| 21:37.36 | utahcon | https://dg6xfr3y1xvv2.cloudfront.net/will-bryant-i-survived-another-meeting-ribbon-ADDITIONAL-563a08f38bc9a-1500.jpg |
| 21:37.39 | programmerq | booo |
| 21:37.42 | programmerq | do another one! |
| 21:37.55 | youtah | that's what she said |
| 21:38.04 | TodPunk | ~utahcon++ |
| 21:38.09 | TodPunk | ~ie-- |
| 21:38.16 | youtah | ~karma ie |
| 21:38.16 | infobot | ie has karma of -718 |
| 21:38.20 | youtah | heh |
| 21:38.38 | utahcon | so so so so so so glad I can ask this and be serious in doing so.... is IE still around? |
| 21:38.39 | youtah | I meant |
| 21:38.40 | youtah | lol |
| 21:38.45 | youtah | ~lolstats |
| 21:38.47 | infobot | total count of lol on #utah: 2006. Top 3: youtah -- 925 (46.1%), keldwud -- 115 (5.7%), Q_Continuum -- 63 (3.1%) |
| 21:38.47 | TodPunk | yes |
| 21:38.51 | utahcon | too bad |
| 21:38.53 | TodPunk | IE11 isn't really all that bad, it's just aging |
| 21:38.58 | utahcon | ~lolstats utahcon |
| 21:38.58 | infobot | utahcon has said lol 12 times (0.6 %), ranked 23/175 (percentile: 13.1 %) |
| 21:38.59 | TodPunk | Edge is much nicer |
| 21:39.11 | utahcon | I am still pretty hihg |
| 21:39.23 | TodPunk | is that allowed at work? |
| 21:39.27 | youtah | lol |
| 21:39.27 | utahcon | is Edge actually not IE? |
| 21:39.38 | TodPunk | no, Edge is a completely different codebase in every way |
| 21:39.40 | utahcon | I work in Washington... so... maybe?> |
| 21:39.47 | youtah | Naw |
| 21:39.51 | TodPunk | JS engine, rendering engine, everything |
| 21:39.57 | utahcon | we have a keg about 50 ft from me |
| 21:39.59 | youtah | I refuse to believe Edge isn't just a revamped skin over IE |
| 21:40.15 | utahcon | Edge is IE completely rewritten in ROT13 |
| 21:40.21 | youtah | lol |
| 21:40.30 | TodPunk | your belief isn't exactly relevant to reality, thankfully |
| 21:40.30 | youtah | ~ROT13 IE |
| 21:40.30 | infobot | VR |
| 21:40.35 | TodPunk | wow |
| 21:40.47 | youtah | IE is Virtual Reality |
| 21:40.48 | utahcon | wth |
| 21:40.48 | TodPunk | someone in MS marketing needs to see that one |
| 21:40.49 | youtah | told ya |
| 21:40.54 | youtah | Half Life 3 Confirmed |
| 21:41.10 | utahcon | lol |
| 21:41.12 | utahcon | nope liar |
| 21:41.23 | utahcon | it's still 2 years out "confirmed" my butt |
| 21:41.50 | TodPunk | steam summer sale next thursday |
| 21:42.02 | TodPunk | I'm excited to see the discounts on all the games I already have |
| 21:42.08 | TodPunk | and never play =c/ |
| 21:42.17 | programmerq | I'm hoping that some of the VR titles will go on sale. |
| 21:42.25 | TodPunk | I think I bought 7 in the winter sale |
| 21:42.29 | TodPunk | one being XCom 2 |
| 21:42.43 | programmerq | also, I'm not happy about how the fallout 4 season pass doubled in price when they released their first DLC, hoping to get that at during the sale. |
| 21:42.46 | TodPunk | I have yet to play any but one of those, which XCom 2 wasn't one of |
| 21:42.55 | keldwud | are you guys talking about bears? |
| 21:42.56 | keldwud | and mounting? |
| 21:42.58 | keldwud | ... |
| 21:43.14 | TodPunk | keldwud: I have no response to this that isn't disparaging |
| 21:43.21 | TodPunk | Happy Friday, buddy |
| 21:43.22 | keldwud | ¬_¬ |
| 21:43.41 | keldwud | and utahcon's butt |
| 21:43.47 | keldwud | his confirmed butt, even |
| 21:44.00 | TodPunk | airquotes confirmed |
| 21:44.02 | keldwud | maybe I shouldn't skip through the backlog |
| 21:44.12 | youtah | lol |
| 21:44.14 | TodPunk | nothing important was said |
| 21:44.22 | keldwud | because then I end up with things like "bears, mounting, my butt" |
| 21:44.23 | TodPunk | pretty much true of the whole backlog |
| 21:44.30 | youtah | Other than we found out that IE is actually virtual reality |
| 21:44.34 | youtah | because of rot13 |
| 21:44.35 | keldwud | in virtual reality |
| 21:44.47 | youtah | ~ROT13 Edge |
| 21:44.47 | infobot | Rqtr |
| 21:44.52 | youtah | not nearly as fun |
| 21:44.53 | TodPunk | I was just about to do that |
| 21:45.02 | TodPunk | raqueteer? |
| 21:45.12 | TodPunk | like a tennis player? |
| 21:45.21 | youtah | or the criminal |
| 21:45.39 | keldwud | sounds like a superhero |
| 21:45.46 | youtah | rack·et·eer |
| 21:45.47 | youtah | ËrakÉËtir/ |
| 21:45.47 | youtah | noun |
| 21:45.47 | youtah | a person who engages in dishonest and fraudulent business dealings. |
| 21:45.57 | utahcon | anyone playing Overwatch on Xbox One? |
| 21:46.06 | keldwud | I'm still playing my xbox 360 |
| 21:46.08 | youtah | still only have an XBox 360 |
| 21:46.14 | keldwud | hifives youtah |
| 21:46.17 | youtah | lol |
| 21:46.21 | TodPunk | I have a 360 and I don't play it |
| 21:46.25 | keldwud | dude! |
| 21:46.25 | youtah | and the only thing I play on it is Micecraft |
| 21:46.27 | utahcon | I have 360 |
| 21:46.29 | TodPunk | though I'm having a halo night next Friday on it |
| 21:46.30 | utahcon | my kids play on it |
| 21:46.31 | keldwud | let's have a 360 party |
| 21:46.35 | keldwud | like a 360 lan party |
| 21:46.37 | keldwud | we can system link |
| 21:46.42 | keldwud | and play borderlands or something |
| 21:46.46 | youtah | I am totally game for a 360 Halo Party |
| 21:46.46 | utahcon | Micecraft... sounds interesting |
| 21:46.49 | youtah | I have all of the Halos |
| 21:46.57 | keldwud | I could do a halo system link, as well |
| 21:47.01 | TodPunk | I have 1-3 and Halo Wars |
| 21:47.07 | utahcon | is Halo 5 on Xbox360? |
| 21:47.13 | TodPunk | I seem to be missing my copy of 2, though |
| 21:47.18 | utahcon | HW2 looked good |
| 21:47.23 | TodPunk | no, it was XBox One |
| 21:47.37 | TodPunk | I don't have Halo 4 |
| 21:47.41 | TodPunk | I haven't beaten any of them |
| 21:47.45 | TodPunk | and I don't care to |
| 21:47.53 | utahcon | rush out and buy and Xbox One S, so you can replace it with the Scorpio next year |
| 21:48.48 | TodPunk | or just keep playing on my PC where I don't have to worry about that nonsense |
| 21:49.43 | utahcon | well, if Microsoft is serious about their "release a console each year" crap... I might be heading back to PC |
| 21:49.45 | utahcon | be cheaper |
| 21:49.49 | utahcon | which is why I went to console |
| 21:50.02 | keldwud | dude, my 360 is going to last me at least another five years |
| 21:50.20 | utahcon | looks at his watch |
| 21:50.24 | keldwud | it has been my one and only since 2008 and helped me through a lot of really rough times |
| 21:50.27 | utahcon | you just cursed your 360 |
| 21:50.30 | keldwud | I'm in love with my xbox |
| 21:50.36 | keldwud | <3 |
| 21:51.03 | utahcon | notes to never touche keldwud's controllers |
| 21:51.36 | *** join/#utah jnbek (~jnbek@pdpc/supporter/active/jnbek) |
| 21:52.50 | keldwud | why not? |
| 21:52.57 | keldwud | what's wrong with them? |
| 21:53.07 | utahcon | Too much love |
| 21:53.30 | TodPunk | something something mounting |
| 21:53.47 | keldwud | doesn't mean I'm going to hate on the velveteen rabbit just because *he* got too much love :( |
| 21:54.24 | utahcon | was that the white rabbit? |
| 21:54.33 | TodPunk | I like my WiiU more than my xbox 360 |
| 21:54.44 | keldwud | I have a wii |
| 21:54.46 | keldwud | but not a wii u |
| 21:54.48 | TodPunk | Hell, I like my 3DS more than my 360 |
| 21:55.02 | programmerq | I just hooked my 360, wii, and nintendo 64 back up. |
| 21:55.13 | keldwud | you hooked? |
| 21:55.17 | keldwud | ¬_¬ |
| 21:55.53 | keldwud | guys. I haven't run in almost two weeks :( |
| 21:55.58 | keldwud | wait, three weeks |
| 21:55.59 | keldwud | this is bad |
| 21:55.59 | programmerq | I still haven't gotten all the stars on super mario galaxy 1 (and haven't started 2) |
| 21:56.04 | keldwud | I need a downtown running partner |
| 21:56.25 | keldwud | programmerq: I got all the stars in super mario sunshine |
| 21:56.46 | utahcon | You think that is bad... I haven't run in ... |
| 21:56.50 | utahcon | carry the 1... |
| 21:56.52 | utahcon | a long time! |
| 21:56.53 | TodPunk | If you were in my neck of the woods I'd run with you, but noooooooo |
| 21:57.01 | TodPunk | does not run |
| 21:57.24 | TodPunk | I think I tried for three weeks, it was boring as hell and I felt terrible |
| 21:57.37 | TodPunk | bought expensive shoes and everything |
| 21:58.08 | *** join/#utah Enemby (~Enemby@unaffiliated/enemby) |
| 21:58.34 | keldwud | ok, I have a serious question |
| 21:58.40 | keldwud | did bowser jr replace the koopa kids? |
| 21:59.15 | utahcon | I thought it was the other way around |
| 21:59.26 | youtah | ~twss |
| 21:59.26 | infobot | That's what she said! |
| 22:00.03 | utahcon | also... they are koopalings |
| 22:00.21 | programmerq | okay, this is pretty awesome. I've never had a dog. we're getting a puppy. puppy is visiting (still too small to leave its mom). puppy is resting next to my office chair on the floor. dogs are awesome. |
| 22:00.25 | utahcon | http://www.mariowiki.com/koopalings |
| 22:00.31 | utahcon | he Koopalings (also known as Bowser's Minions and occasionally called the Koopa kids) are a clan of seven siblings[1] that act as the leaders of the Koopa Troop under Bowser. |
| 22:00.33 | programmerq | my cats aren't allowed anywhere near my home office. |
| 22:00.52 | utahcon | dogs are great |
| 22:01.57 | keldwud | like, they're all bowser's kids |
| 22:02.04 | keldwud | what makes bowser jr so special? |
| 22:02.19 | utahcon | Shigeru Miyamoto explicitly stated that Nintendo's "current story is that the Koopalings are not Bowser's children", officially leaving Bowser Jr. as his only offspring |
| 22:02.21 | TodPunk | he's more boweserish |
| 22:02.39 | utahcon | they are just other horrible children |
| 22:02.49 | keldwud | utahcon: oooh that grinds my gears |
| 22:02.53 | keldwud | I loved the koopa kids! |
| 22:03.01 | keldwud | so they DID drop them in favor of bowser jr? |
| 22:03.10 | keldwud | bowser jr is as appealing as scrappy doo |
| 22:03.53 | keldwud | and will probably have the same effect on the series |
| 22:04.50 | keldwud | fun fact: iggy koopa was named after iggy pop |
| 22:05.02 | keldwud | and lemmy was named after lemmy |
| 22:05.48 | programmerq | my 6 year old is doing his first mario 64 playthrough. he is really enjoying it. |
| 22:05.58 | eightyeight | that's awesome |
| 22:06.04 | programmerq | I got a CRT tv specifically for older consoles like the 64. |
| 22:06.16 | eightyeight | solar panel powered? |
| 22:06.47 | utahcon | all named after music artists? |
| 22:06.53 | utahcon | except maybe Larry... interesting |
| 22:06.56 | utahcon | I bet he was though |
| 22:07.02 | keldwud | larry king |
| 22:07.30 | utahcon | Larry Mullen, JR from U2 |
| 22:07.38 | utahcon | I would believe that |
| 22:08.03 | keldwud | I'm just going off of wikipedia |
| 22:08.08 | keldwud | maybe it could have been from UT |
| 22:08.11 | keldwud | *U2 |
| 22:08.15 | keldwud | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koopalings |
| 22:09.20 | keldwud | now I want to binge on mario |
| 22:09.38 | programmerq | yeah, I reset my save on mario 64 so my kid could watch me get all the stars too. |
| 22:09.49 | utahcon | my wii sensor died... and my Wii is in storage (no room in the apartment |
| 22:09.50 | utahcon | ) |
| 22:09.52 | programmerq | I'm up to 16 or 18 I think. |
| 22:10.01 | youtah | ~twss |
| 22:10.01 | infobot | That's what she said! |
| 22:10.13 | utahcon | 37?! |
| 22:10.16 | programmerq | utahcon: replacement bars are cheap. I actually got a knockoff bar that is powered by usb instead of their weird connector thingy. |
| 22:11.06 | TodPunk | goes into the wilderness |
| 22:11.15 | utahcon | I know programmerq |
| 22:11.26 | utahcon | really thinking about a WiiU recently |
| 22:11.56 | keldwud | of course, if I want to play mario, that would require a t.v. |
| 22:12.24 | keldwud | so I'd have to either take over the theater or the clubhouse |
| 22:12.47 | keldwud | I bet if I kept a stock of cold drinks and extra controllers nearby, people might not complain |
| 22:13.36 | utahcon | I would stop by, drink a drink, play some games, and then complain |
| 22:13.38 | utahcon | don't judge |
| 22:14.06 | keldwud | "this guy hogged the theater *all* weekend!" |
| 22:14.16 | keldwud | he monopolized! |
| 22:14.27 | youtah | ~twss |
| 22:14.28 | infobot | That's what she said! |
| 22:15.23 | keldwud | I'm playing warcraft orcs and humans this weekend |
| 22:15.33 | keldwud | and maybe some diablo 1 |
| 22:26.26 | romanovic | keldwud: wow, how will you manage that? will they run in a virtualbox? |
