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| 14:43.44 | TodPunk | ~ie-- |
| 14:43.45 | TodPunk | ~brave++ |
| 14:43.57 | TodPunk | ~karma brave |
| 14:43.57 | infobot | brave has karma of 18 |
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| 15:48.28 | TodPunk | ~brave++ |
| 15:48.30 | TodPunk | ~karma brave |
| 15:48.30 | infobot | brave has karma of 19 |
| 15:52.43 | jlp_znc | according to http://infobot.rikers.org/, infobot has logs for the following channels: #aegis,#asterisk-scf,#asterisk-scf-dev,##bspress,#byumug,##bz-inc,#bzmods,#catroid,#Cyrannus,#dbgc,#debian.gr,##ducleague,#enlightenutah,#familysearch,#flow3,#fossfund,#fudforum,#gooseproject,#handhelds,#handhelds-familiar,#handhelds-gpe,#handhelds-intimate,#hosernet,##icf,#kas,#linuxfund,#lua-wow,#lugot,#lugwv,#magnia,#metano_linux,#nslu2-linux,##ols,#opensimpa |
| 15:56.11 | jlp_znc | looks like ##bspress might be a good choice, no one there but us chickens |
| 15:56.20 | jlp_znc | is an enabler |
| 15:57.37 | TodPunk | does seem to span channels |
| 15:58.44 | jlp_znc | now, I don't know if there is more than one infobot instance |
| 15:58.58 | jlp_znc | I guess they would have to have different nicks, though |
| 16:01.07 | eightyeight | i've seen <infobot>, <ibot>, and <jbot> |
| 16:02.38 | jlp_znc | yeah, but if you join one of those channels and "infobot" is there, it's got to be the same infobot as here. |
| 16:07.29 | eightyeight | agreed |
| 16:07.54 | eightyeight | in other news, trevor noah hits this nail squarely on the head. the shoelace analogy is fantastic: https://github.com/saltstack/libnacl/issues/82 |
| 16:07.56 | eightyeight | gah |
| 16:07.59 | eightyeight | https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/742710410176954368 |
| 16:08.01 | eightyeight | ^ that |
| 16:08.21 | youtah | my face hurts |
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| 16:23.41 | Heartsbane | Lies I never did that and that analogy is false |
| 16:25.58 | TodPunk | Oh good, we're bringing the stupid debate to IRC. This should end well. |
| 16:26.04 | TodPunk | ~ie-- |
| 16:26.35 | eightyeight | ~brave++ |
| 16:32.39 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/WlBjPgm.gifv |
| 16:38.08 | SunSparc | youtah: lol |
| 16:43.36 | jlp_znc | thanks, youtah, for stabilizing that discussion |
| 16:44.02 | youtah | lol |
| 16:44.32 | jlp_znc | I just can't believe that out of that whole club full of people, there wasn't one person with a concealed carry. (I admit, I do not know Florida's laws on concealed carry) |
| 16:45.31 | youtah | Floridas are rather close, (slightly stricter) than Utahs |
| 16:47.44 | jlp_znc | ahh, here's the problem... you can't carry in "any poprtion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises" |
| 16:47.45 | manithree | jlp_znc: Illegal to carry, even with license in a bar in FL |
| 16:48.28 | manithree | Gun control gets more people killed. We need more gun control. |
| 16:50.27 | eightyeight | because we have so much of it. |
| 16:50.44 | eightyeight | you know, like going to your local gun show, and not getting a background check |
| 16:50.54 | eightyeight | or still purchasing pre-1986 fully automatic weapons |
| 16:50.59 | eightyeight | it's _tight_ |
| 16:52.24 | jlp_znc | I have no problem with them passing a law that requires background checks and delay periods on *all* gun ownership transfers (even between private sellers/buyers). my problem is when they then lump in the made up term "assault weapons" and try to ban them with the same law. |
| 16:52.59 | manithree | eightyeight: None of which is relevant to Orlando, or any recent mass shooting. |
| 16:53.03 | jlp_znc | every weapon can be an "assault" weapon, in that it can be used for assault. do we ban baseball bats? butter knives? |
| 16:53.04 | eightyeight | can you imagine the work the orlando shooter would have had, if he was limited to a revolver? |
| 16:53.38 | eightyeight | something tells me, he would not have been as effective |
| 16:54.11 | jlp_znc | I just can't see how he walked into the club carrying a freaking rifle! didn't they have a bouncer to say "uh, dude, you can't bring that in here"... or did he shoot the bouncer first on the way in? |
| 16:54.25 | manithree | He shot the security guard first on his way in. |
| 16:54.35 | jlp_znc | ahh. |
| 16:55.12 | jlp_znc | it sounded (from the news reports) like he was in the club and then just suddenly started shooting everyone. |
| 16:57.54 | youtah | I think that a long rifle, such as the AR-15 would be more difficult to use than say a 9mm in those tight of quarters |
| 16:59.13 | TodPunk | youtah: only for the first few shots, then things open up |
| 16:59.23 | manithree | youtah: high cap magazines for 9mm are unreliable range toys. The Gabby Giffords shooter was tackled because his mag jammed. And 5.56 is WAY more effective than 9x19. A 16" AR is quite handy. |
| 16:59.23 | youtah | I suppose |
| 17:00.08 | fozzmoo | I'm convinced that to the average idiot the only thing that makes a gun an "assault weapon" is a magazine capable of holding more than 10 rounds. |
| 17:00.27 | fozzmoo | If you're good, however, swapping magazines can take less than a second. |
| 17:00.40 | manithree | fozzmoo: Gotta have the shoulder thing that goes up |
| 17:00.44 | fadein | fozzmoo: it helps if it is made of black plastic, too |
| 17:00.50 | fadein | black is scary |
| 17:00.51 | fozzmoo | Yes. |
| 17:00.54 | youtah | my kel-tec 9mm that is smaller than a slice of bread holds 11 rounds |
| 17:02.05 | fozzmoo | Is that a single-stack? |
| 17:02.16 | youtah | No |
| 17:02.53 | youtah | it's the P-11 |
| 17:03.57 | youtah | and reading some people |
| 17:03.59 | manithree | youtah: Ah, so that was you: http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/18/us/george-zimmerman-gun-auction/ |
| 17:04.00 | youtah | some people |
| 17:04.29 | jlp_znc | fozzmoo: it has to have a pistol grip, too. and, manithree: LOL |
| 17:04.48 | youtah | some people's definitions of the of "Assault" ... a double barrel shot gun and deer hunting rifle matches |
| 17:04.49 | jlp_znc | (re: the shoulder thing that goes up, I remember that quote) |
| 17:05.00 | fozzmoo | My XDm 9 has an extended magazine that holds 19 rds |
| 17:05.38 | youtah | manithree that's the PF-9, mine is the 11, and mine is green |
| 17:05.40 | jlp_znc | has a nice double-barrel shotgun |
| 17:05.58 | jlp_znc | it's a 16-guage, which is a little hard to find shells for, but easily usable by my wife |
| 17:05.59 | manithree | youtah: I was hoping you got a better deal, anyway |
| 17:06.03 | youtah | lol |
| 17:06.12 | youtah | yeah |
| 17:06.12 | fozzmoo | I've actually been thinking about selling my AR-15 and getting a shotgun. |
| 17:06.17 | youtah | it was a little bit less than that |
| 17:06.27 | manithree | fozzmoo: Now's a terrible time to sell an AR |
| 17:06.29 | youtah | I love my browning |
| 17:06.47 | youtah | it is an amazing duck gun. |
| 17:06.57 | fozzmoo | manithree: YEah? Maybe I'll wait until Hilllary's elected. |
| 17:07.04 | youtah | I feed the shells on the left (yes the left) and it ejects them straight down |
| 17:07.19 | youtah | that way it keeps the shells in your boat or in your duck blind |
| 17:07.37 | youtah | and it also doesn't flip hot shells at the guy sitting next to you |
| 17:07.39 | jlp_znc | or in your boot |
| 17:07.46 | youtah | down your pants |
| 17:08.01 | youtah | but why are you pants down unzipped in a duck blind anyway? |
| 17:08.07 | youtah | (don't answer that) |
| 17:08.15 | jlp_znc | well, I'm not in the duck blind, you are. |
| 17:15.15 | youtah | https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13432231_10154305186323885_8451290606814882054_n.jpg?oh=4d7be53276accc7621bee3d93a6018c0&oe=58002981 |
| 17:15.23 | youtah | I know it's probably fake, but still |
| 17:16.21 | youtah | http://www.press24.us/wikileaks-is-about-to-ruin-hillary-clintons-chances-of-becoming-president/ |
| 17:16.34 | youtah | anyone heard of this Press24? |
| 17:18.20 | manithree | youtah: The site or the story? |
| 17:18.28 | youtah | site |
| 17:18.57 | youtah | their "about us" is rather lacking |
| 17:20.02 | youtah | for all I can tell is that it's just a blog |
| 17:21.02 | TodPunk | That's 90% of "news" sites these days |
| 17:22.59 | manithree | Meh. The myth of objective news reporting needs to die, anyway. Press24 looks like a Bernie site. |
| 17:35.29 | TodPunk | ~ie-- |
| 17:40.13 | eightyeight | ~brave++ |
| 17:41.33 | manithree | ~karma palemoon |
| 17:41.33 | infobot | palemoon has neutral karma |
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| 18:22.04 | jfindlay | ~palemoon++ |
| 18:25.08 | Migs | Trying to figure out what I'm going to say to my boss about being turned down for a promotion. |
| 18:25.25 | Migs | It just happened yesterday, so I don't want to be too hasty about it when I'm still feeling crappy. |
| 18:30.34 | jfindlay | just tell him that you think you were qualified and am confused about why you didn't get it |
| 18:33.45 | Migs | yeah, I'm going to mention that |
| 18:34.35 | Migs | basically, they opened 5 manager positions here. First time they've ever done that, actually. And the people who got the other 4 positions were pretty obvious choices. In fact, I thought that all 5 were pretty much rigged for certain people. Yet I was the only obvious choice who got passed up. |
| 18:35.14 | Migs | My web designer who's been here half as long as I have got it instead. |
| 18:35.26 | Migs | Not jealous or bitter at him, of course. More just humiliated, you know? |
| 18:36.18 | jlp_znc | find a new job elsewhere, then in your exit interview at your current employer explain why. |
| 18:36.20 | jfindlay | sounds like something you should definitely talk to your boss about |
| 18:36.23 | Migs | The "web guy" who's been here since the beginning, for years the only web developer, who pioneered the early systems and developed the first web strategies, done consistently good work for over 11 years...getting turned down for a promotion with "web manager" in the title? Kind of hurts, I admit. |
| 18:36.24 | jlp_znc | doesn't really help you now, though. |
| 18:36.36 | Migs | yeah, I'm going to talk to him. Just writing down all my thoughts first. |
| 18:37.09 | Migs | I haven't talked to anyone else about it, except the guy who got it, but I'm sure they're all baffled I was passed up |
| 18:37.29 | Migs | I've been thinking about getting a job somewhere else for awhile...i think this just makes it more obvious I should |
| 18:37.43 | Migs | but I don't want to leave just because I'm feeling butthurt...needs to be for the right reasons |
| 18:38.46 | jlp_znc | oh, no, you're not leaving because you are upset. you are leaving because management has shown they have no confidence in you to do a job you are qualified to do. and you will likely get more money at a new position. |
| 18:38.52 | Migs | I mean, people don't work here at the school district because they expect big promotions and bonuses all that...this was just a rare once-in-a-decade opportunity |
| 18:38.55 | jfindlay | it sucks, but when things change so much against your interests, and after you give them a chance to accommodate your needs/desires and they don't, then you have to compare it against potential better situations |
| 18:39.34 | Migs | and honestly, I don't think I could find a job as awesome as what I have now. Short commute, fairly decent pay, generous pension... |
| 18:39.45 | Migs | I've been looking...everything's in Salt Lake. I don't want to commute to SLC |
| 18:39.56 | jlp_znc | the pension is probably the only thing you won't find |
| 18:40.03 | Migs | and I don't want to work for some private company where I'm just there to make a CEO rich |
| 18:40.12 | jlp_znc | where do you live, Migs? |
| 18:40.27 | Migs | I've calculated the salary increase I'd need just to offset the loss of my pension, and it would be about $30k, less with decent 401k matching |
| 18:40.29 | Migs | Ogden |
| 18:40.53 | jlp_znc | not everything is in SLC. South Jordan is growing a lot, Lehi, too. |
| 18:41.12 | jlp_znc | I haven't heard much to the north, though (other than BAE Systems, who seems to always be hiring) |
| 18:41.15 | Migs | there is a university job I might take...I turned them down once because their offer was too low, but they're apparently finalizing more funding for a higher salary. I might take them up on it if it's decent enough. |
| 18:41.42 | Migs | but...it's in Salt Lake. I don't think I could work in SLC unless I can telecommute over half the time |
| 18:41.52 | Migs | BAE? |
| 18:42.03 | jlp_znc | ride the train, it gives you a nice decompression time. |
| 18:42.11 | Migs | I'll look into them. I used to work for military contractors. |
| 18:42.15 | Migs | I love riding the train. |
| 18:42.15 | jlp_znc | I think it's BAE... the guys who build the booster rockets |
| 18:43.31 | jlp_znc | http://www.baesystems.jobs/search-jobs.php?state=UT#summary |
| 18:43.44 | Migs | I'm not sure I want to work for a private company again, unless they're in the education field |
| 18:43.45 | jlp_znc | looks like most of those are at Hill. |
| 18:43.52 | Migs | who knows if I'll have a job in 2 or 3 years? |
| 18:44.25 | Migs | that's the other thing...my job here is ridiculously stable |
| 18:44.41 | jlp_znc | ahh, now you see why they didn't promote you. they figured you would stay because you really like the job, benefits, stability, etc. |
| 18:44.56 | Migs | except that's why everyone's here |
| 18:45.02 | Migs | and I do like that |
| 18:45.24 | Migs | well, I'm not sure why they didn't promote me. I have some suspicions, but I'm going to ask that in a day or two. |
| 18:45.56 | jlp_znc | you should definitely have that conversation with your boss, but keep your options open, too... time to start interviewing. |
| 18:46.02 | Migs | yeah |
| 18:46.20 | jlp_znc | so, youtah, did you see that event board is hiring? |
| 18:46.28 | Migs | Historically everytime a recruiter contacts me, I give them some ridiculous salary requirement just on the offhand they bite |
| 18:46.35 | Migs | I might have to be a little more reasonable now |
| 18:46.38 | Migs | *off-chance |
| 18:46.49 | jlp_znc | well, figure out what you need/want and go with that. |
| 18:51.08 | jfindlay | jlp_znc: I saw that :-) |
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| 19:11.59 | Randall_Flag | hello |
| 19:12.08 | Randall_Flag | I have a mormon question |
| 19:12.59 | Randall_Flag | hello? |
| 19:13.53 | Randall_Flag | dang no one cares |
| 19:15.18 | jfindlay | Randall_Flag: the standard timeout for caring on IRC can vary from minutes to days |
| 19:15.30 | Randall_Flag | aparently |
| 19:15.43 | jlp_znc | especially on this channel |
| 19:15.49 | jlp_znc | so, what's your question? |
| 19:16.50 | jlp_znc | (in general, when you have a question, it's okay to just ask it and then wait around for someone to answer... don't ask if you can ask.) |
| 19:16.56 | Randall_Flag | is it true that you believe that god came from a planet called Koloff and jesus and lucifer are brothers |
| 19:17.23 | jlp_znc | sort of. :-) |
| 19:17.28 | Randall_Flag | how so? |
| 19:17.49 | fungus | Yes, they believe that jesus and lucifer are brothers. |
| 19:17.51 | jlp_znc | let me see... how to explain this. (and it's Kolob, not Koloff) |
| 19:17.54 | Randall_Flag | I for real am interested |
| 19:18.01 | jfindlay | everyone are brothers. Jesus and Lucifer happen to be the most famous |
| 19:18.01 | Randall_Flag | ok Kolob |
| 19:18.09 | Randall_Flag | spritual brothers |
| 19:18.51 | jlp_znc | let's take that part first, then... we (mormons) believe that we are all spirit children of our Heavenly Father |
| 19:19.02 | Randall_Flag | ok |
| 19:19.16 | jlp_znc | and by all, we include those spirit children who chose not to follow His plan (the "plan of salvation" or "plan of happiness") |
| 19:19.31 | Randall_Flag | is Jesus and the father the same person as in god |
| 19:19.34 | Randall_Flag | jesus holy ghost and father |
| 19:19.38 | Randall_Flag | all godhead |
| 19:19.44 | fungus | no |
| 19:19.45 | jlp_znc | they are members of the godhead, but are separate persons |
| 19:19.47 | fungus | separate beings |
| 19:19.57 | Randall_Flag | was Jesus a created being |
| 19:20.07 | Randall_Flag | along with the holy spirit |
| 19:20.09 | jlp_znc | jesus, being heavenly father's son, would be hard pressed to be the same person, now, wouldn't he? |
| 19:20.34 | Randall_Flag | was jesus created by the father |
| 19:20.45 | fungus | Yes |
| 19:20.58 | Randall_Flag | so jesus was not with the father in the very beginning |
| 19:20.59 | jfindlay | he was created spiritually |
| 19:21.04 | Randall_Flag | it was only the father |
| 19:21.09 | Randall_Flag | then jesus and the spirit |
| 19:21.26 | jfindlay | all beings have existed eternally in some kind of proto state called 'intelligence' |
| 19:21.44 | jlp_znc | what jfindlay says |
| 19:21.48 | Randall_Flag | but if something exists eternally how can the father create it |
| 19:21.59 | jfindlay | and they take on a spiritual being in the same way they take on a physical being |
| 19:22.15 | Randall_Flag | so jesus is not equal to the father |
| 19:22.42 | jlp_znc | it has to do with the rather ethereal idea of "time" and "eternity" |
| 19:22.43 | jfindlay | the father was created in the same way |
| 19:22.49 | fungus | no, not equal. |
| 19:23.25 | Randall_Flag | by who? |
| 19:23.32 | jlp_znc | well, we don't know that |
| 19:23.32 | jfindlay | his father |
| 19:23.49 | Randall_Flag | by that logic doesn't there have to be a 1st father |
| 19:24.00 | Randall_Flag | an original |
| 19:24.35 | fungus | haha, mormons aren't allowed to worship the beings before their direct god. Chains of command and all that. :) |
| 19:24.37 | jfindlay | I think such questions arrive at the same limit as any existential inquiry into the state and nature of reality |
| 19:24.55 | Randall_Flag | aren't allowed? |
| 19:25.06 | Randall_Flag | would the father of the father be worthy? |
| 19:25.10 | jlp_znc | you raise an interesting question... that unfortunately we do not have the answer to. |
| 19:25.21 | jlp_znc | (I mean your question about a 1st father) |
| 19:25.24 | Randall_Flag | i see |
| 19:25.40 | jlp_znc | have you looked at http://mormon.org/? |
| 19:25.46 | Randall_Flag | i have |
| 19:26.09 | fungus | Mormons worship their direct "father", and talk of his creation is secondary and not part of the religion directly, mostly ignored. |
| 19:26.27 | Randall_Flag | but why does is say in matthew that jesus said "it is not robbery that I am equal to the father" |
| 19:26.48 | jlp_znc | for your Kolob question, you might check out https://www.lds.org/scriptures/search?lang=eng&query=Kolob&x=0&y=0 |
| 19:27.16 | jlp_znc | Jesus holds the same priesthood as the father, and also holds all the keys of that priesthood (so, he has the same power) |
| 19:27.44 | Randall_Flag | so is there anyone on Kolob? is it Heaven? |
| 19:28.10 | fungus | Unknown, that is not discussed, as it pertains to God's origins. |
| 19:28.34 | eightyeight | so, i'm going to provide the critical role in this discussion |
| 19:28.38 | jlp_znc | Heaven is another one of those rather nebulous concepts... we believer in a spirit world that we go to after this mortal life (spirit paradise/spirit prison) |
| 19:28.49 | jlp_znc | where we wait for the resurrection |
| 19:29.02 | eightyeight | kolob is only referred to in the book of abraham, which joseph smith claims to have translated from egyptian papyrus |
| 19:29.20 | jfindlay | tell him about how you get a lightsaber when you die |
| 19:29.25 | Randall_Flag | but havent they said smith fabricated all that |
| 19:29.35 | eightyeight | but, as egyptology has evolved, with the help of the rosetta stone, we've come to learn the joseph smith really didn't know egyptian |
| 19:29.52 | Randall_Flag | so he made it all up?? |
| 19:30.04 | eightyeight | the "translation" of the facsimiles are ... not correct. not ever close |
| 19:30.22 | eightyeight | further, smith had a egyption alphabet and grammar, which we still have |
| 19:30.29 | Randall_Flag | so how can you put a book together and make a religion on fabrication??? |
| 19:30.32 | fungus | All belief in the LDS religion depends on your belief of Joseph Smith's assertions. |
| 19:30.33 | eightyeight | analysis shows that smith was just making thing sup as we went around |
| 19:30.44 | eightyeight | s/thing sup/things up/ |
| 19:30.58 | fungus | If you don't believe in Smith, everything else falls down. |
| 19:30.59 | eightyeight | there is nothing accurate about smith's translations of egyptian |
| 19:31.06 | Randall_Flag | so is mormonism a lie? |
| 19:31.09 | Randall_Flag | or real? |
| 19:31.18 | eightyeight | so, you really can't take the book of abraham with any critical sincerity |
| 19:31.33 | Randall_Flag | im confused |
| 19:31.42 | Randall_Flag | thought you guys were pro mormons |
| 19:31.46 | jlp_znc | it's all based on faith |
| 19:31.54 | Randall_Flag | sounds like you are not belivers? |
| 19:31.58 | programmerq | Randall_Flag: this is #utah not ##ldsallbelieversallthetime |
| 19:31.58 | fungus | We are not all pro mormons. |
| 19:32.03 | eightyeight | then, when you take into account the kinderhook plates, you learn that he fell for a dupe |
| 19:32.07 | programmerq | there are lots of people from different backgrounds here |
| 19:32.09 | Randall_Flag | but faith on a lie is still al ie |
| 19:32.13 | programmerq | some are believers and others are not |
| 19:32.14 | youtah | jlp_znc I did not see that |
| 19:32.28 | eightyeight | so, he couldn't translate egyptian, and fell for a hoax with the kinderhook plates |
| 19:32.34 | Randall_Flag | how could he have carried such heavy golden plates |
| 19:32.44 | Randall_Flag | they would have weights a ton |
| 19:32.44 | fungus | If you believe that Smith was directed by God and told the truth, then mormonism is Real. |
| 19:32.46 | jlp_znc | he had very strong arms. |
| 19:32.47 | eightyeight | it makes it difficult to believe his assertions about translating golden plates with 'reformed egyptian' |
| 19:32.56 | fungus | If you don't believe, mormonism is a lie. |
| 19:32.59 | youtah | jlp_znc what position? |
| 19:33.02 | eightyeight | but the book of mormon ships with its own problems |
| 19:33.03 | youtah | I am going to laugh if they say IT |
| 19:33.09 | eightyeight | _many_ problems, actually |
| 19:33.13 | jlp_znc | youtah: some devops thing, I think |
| 19:33.24 | Randall_Flag | what about black people |
| 19:33.38 | eightyeight | that's an extension of brigham young's racism |
| 19:33.40 | Randall_Flag | why did the church shun them for so long |
| 19:33.50 | eightyeight | traditionalist white men |
| 19:33.53 | jlp_znc | essentially, Randall_Flag, you have to make a personal decision about if you believe it or not. you're encourage to read the book of mormon and then pray about it. if you get an answer that says it's for real, then that's your answer. |
| 19:34.11 | manithree | Joseph Smith baptized black people |
| 19:34.12 | youtah | must have come in at an interesting time |
| 19:34.13 | eightyeight | it's the same with homosexuality. the lds church actively persecutes against them now. it'll be different in 50 years. |
| 19:34.28 | jlp_znc | re: black men, eightyeight is right. it was jacked up because the people at the time couldn't handle it. |
| 19:34.41 | Randall_Flag | i heard joseph smith had lots of wives |
| 19:34.43 | jlp_znc | and likely re: homosexuality, too |
| 19:34.44 | Randall_Flag | like 16 |
| 19:34.48 | eightyeight | he did |
| 19:34.57 | fungus | he did |
| 19:35.02 | jnbek | hi did |
| 19:35.03 | eightyeight | one at 14 |
| 19:35.06 | youtah | he did |
| 19:35.09 | jlp_znc | seemed there were more women interested in believing in the church than men back in those days, too. |
| 19:35.10 | Randall_Flag | so where is joseph smith now |
| 19:35.10 | eightyeight | some of who were also married to other living men |
| 19:35.22 | youtah | probably with your grandma |
| 19:35.24 | eightyeight | died in 1844 |
| 19:35.26 | jlp_znc | :-) |
| 19:35.39 | Randall_Flag | are you being a smart ass utah |
| 19:35.46 | Migs | aw man, did I miss the religious debate |
| 19:35.47 | youtah | lol, yes yes I am |
| 19:35.49 | jlp_znc | not my grandma... she was a devout Lutheran |
| 19:35.53 | Randall_Flag | fuck you |
| 19:35.55 | Migs | youtah: Quit being a smart ass. This is srs bzns. |
| 19:35.57 | manithree | Joseph Smith also never claimed his translation of the New Testament was literally translating from original source material, but by revelation. |
| 19:36.04 | fungus | Polygamy was doctrine in the Mormon church for many years. |
| 19:36.05 | youtah | I was just thinking buried in the ground somewhere |
| 19:36.11 | eightyeight | the JST is interesting |
| 19:36.21 | youtah | whether a coffin or an urn |
| 19:36.24 | eightyeight | the "most correct book on earth" has KJV bible |
| 19:36.30 | eightyeight | which is a very error-prone translation |
| 19:36.32 | youtah | but me... I want me ashed put into fireworks |
| 19:36.36 | youtah | ashes* |
| 19:36.49 | jnbek | I want to be buried in smoke |
| 19:36.52 | eightyeight | yet, he retranslated the bible through inspiration, but couldn't do it when translating the book of mormon |
| 19:37.12 | eightyeight | again, the book of mormon ships with a truckload of problems |
| 19:37.15 | manithree | http://www.myholysmoke.com/About.html |
| 19:37.18 | Migs | lol, I think eightyeight has been sitting on these awhile, aching to share |
| 19:37.33 | eightyeight | i've been sharing weekly on twitter |
| 19:37.40 | Migs | oic |
| 19:37.43 | eightyeight | i've had active discussions with family and friends |
| 19:37.56 | Migs | I used to waste too much time doing that |
| 19:38.15 | Migs | now I'm content to just agree to disagree with most people |
| 19:38.20 | jlp_znc | sorry, kids, I've got to do some work ... will check back later |
| 19:38.22 | youtah | but have you had inactive discussion? |
| 19:38.27 | Migs | ^ |
| 19:38.33 | eightyeight | TL;DR- you owe it to yourself to read through http://mormonthink.com (a critical site) as well as http://fairmormon.org (an apologist site) |
| 19:38.42 | eightyeight | and see which argument holds the stronger case for you |
| 19:38.52 | Migs | yeah, I already read every single article on both, and then tons more |
| 19:38.56 | Migs | like I said, wasted too much of my time |
| 19:38.58 | eightyeight | i was a devout lock-and-step mormon. went on a mission. married in the temple. |
| 19:39.08 | eightyeight | paid tithing 100% my whole life |
| 19:39.18 | Migs | tithing is only 10% |
| 19:39.21 | Migs | you were doing it wrong |
| 19:39.28 | Migs | no wonder you left the church |
| 19:39.38 | eightyeight | then read about joseph smith's polygamy, read the `ces letter', found mormonthink.com, and fairmormon.org, and went from there |
| 19:39.48 | eightyeight | i've concluded smith was a liar, fraud, and deceit |
| 19:39.55 | Migs | k |
| 19:40.03 | Migs | I disagree, but to each their own |
| 19:40.04 | eightyeight | so the whole thing falls apart |
| 19:40.22 | eightyeight | it doesn't hold up to scrutiny |
| 19:40.59 | Migs | obviously I disagree with that, too, but I think it's important for everybody to come to their own conclusions, so I think it's good that you did. |
| 19:41.13 | youtah | There is this too.... |
| 19:41.18 | eightyeight | i still wear the temple garments, as they're comfortable, and i've worn them longer than not |
| 19:41.23 | eightyeight | but as they wear out, they'll slowly get replaced |
| 19:41.32 | eightyeight | also, my wife and daughter are very active believers |
| 19:41.41 | youtah | http://wordtreefoundation.github.io/thelatewar/ |
| 19:41.43 | Migs | my wife isn't active anymore |
| 19:41.48 | youtah | Data geeks might find that interesting |
| 19:41.52 | eightyeight | i just revealed my disbelief to her 6 months ago. baby steps. |
| 19:42.07 | youtah | it's more or less an analogy or a diff of the Book of Mormon and other literature |
| 19:42.13 | youtah | kind of interesting to look at |
| 19:43.08 | eightyeight | youtah: not only the late war, but `view of the hebrews' and `first book of napoleon' |
| 19:43.17 | eightyeight | the book of mormon is a remix |
| 19:43.22 | eightyeight | a `mix tape' |
| 19:43.28 | Migs | yeah |
| 19:43.46 | eightyeight | i enjoy its geography better |
| 19:43.51 | eightyeight | although not a smoking gun |
| 19:43.53 | youtah | yes, those too are pretty strong too, but scroll down to the figure showing the Rare Phrases Matches |
| 19:44.16 | eightyeight | https://twitter.com/AaronToponce/status/731838116063940608 |
| 19:45.39 | Migs | eightyeight: This seems like a fun hobby |
| 19:46.44 | youtah | I followed Aaron a long time ago because of ham radio |
| 19:46.50 | youtah | have yet to talk to him actually about ham radio |
| 19:46.53 | eightyeight | i'm using #TruthCrisis as the hashtag to engage in rational, unemotional, thought-provoking discussion |
| 19:46.55 | youtah | goes back to work |
| 19:46.59 | Migs | haha youtah |
| 19:47.11 | Randall_Flag | does anyone listen to heart of the matter with shawn Mcraney |
| 19:47.11 | eightyeight | one topic, only on sunday (not every sunday- depends on schedule) |
| 19:47.44 | eightyeight | people follow me for my sysadmin and crypto related discussion. i don't want to jeopardize that. |
| 19:47.57 | eightyeight | once per week, 20-30 tweets is more than plenty for it |
| 19:48.09 | youtah | Ham Radio isn't popular on twitter I have found |
| 19:48.13 | *** join/#utah josephscott (~josephsco@192.0.80.201) |
| 19:48.38 | eightyeight | yeah. there isn't a lot of innovation in ham radio. so you get the same thing repeated over and over, which is just meh |
| 19:48.48 | youtah | and people will talk to me about ham radio if I sit them down in the corner in a dark channel on IRC somewhere |
| 19:49.35 | eightyeight | ##hamradio is more interesting for support, i've found |
| 19:49.40 | eightyeight | good discussions there |
| 20:07.26 | youtah | I need to change my email signature to "sent from my digital trapper keeper" |
| 20:07.34 | eightyeight | heh |
| 20:07.48 | eightyeight | i had "This email created with 100% recycled electrons." for a while |
| 20:08.07 | youtah | lol |
| 20:17.41 | jlp_znc | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX2LQ6xgTkw |
| 20:25.52 | *** join/#utah olli (~olli@73.98.143.0) |
| 20:45.37 | frostyfrog | I currently have, "Sent from my Alphabet phone" |
| 20:46.44 | frostyfrog | (at least, that's what it is on my phone. Computer has the whole confidentiality speil) |
| 21:00.04 | youtah | http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/15/technology/net-neutrality-fcc-appeals-court-ruling.html |
| 21:11.43 | youtah | Nate Silver believes that Utah is going to be a critical swing state in this Election |
| 21:11.45 | youtah | HELLO ADs |
| 21:12.21 | Migs | aw crap |
| 21:12.40 | Migs | can't we just vote overwhelmingly Republican like always? |
| 21:12.47 | youtah | lol |
| 21:13.04 | Migs | now I have to actually CARE about the elections |
| 21:14.36 | youtah | http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/can-trump-and-clinton-transform-the-electoral-map/?ex_cid=538twitter |
| 21:15.04 | Migs | last time Utah voted Democrat was LBJ |
| 21:15.23 | youtah | I have a feeling it's going that way |
| 21:15.29 | Migs | it may very well |
| 21:25.02 | unum | With Trump and Lee at the top of the ticket some moderate republicans are feeling homeless |
| 21:25.30 | unum | if you live near me you have chaffetz and Hughes at the next couple of rungs |
| 21:25.59 | unum | and Herbert becomes the only prominient name you're voting for(assuming he wins the primary) |
| 21:26.15 | unum | at which point you have to ask yourself are your really a republican? |
| 21:30.22 | programmerq | I've decided that the republican party is very disconnected with what conservatism ought to be. does that make me a moderate? I don't care. |
| 21:33.24 | youtah | Interesting |
| 21:33.34 | youtah | The shooter in Orlando didn't even use an AR-15 |
| 21:33.50 | youtah | It was a Sig Sauer MCX carbine |
| 21:35.11 | unum | programmerq: if you thin conservatism ought to be all about small government, then no that does not make you a moderate. If you think conservatism ought to be about putting people into the work force, then yes. |
| 21:35.35 | unum | I have to agree with them that Utah will be the biggest swing in terms of percentage of vote for the republican candidate |
| 21:35.54 | unum | I bet we see close to a twenty point swing |
| 21:37.00 | youtah | I agree |
| 21:39.31 | unum | programmer: A better way of putting it is if you think mike lee wants too much federal government, you're not a moderate. |
| 21:39.53 | manithree | youtah: Like any journalist could tell the difference between an AR-15 and the MCX |
| 21:40.07 | unum | Or if you think chaffetz isn't spending enough time talking about Benghazi you're not a moderate |
| 21:40.31 | unum | I'm assuming they are both semi automatic rifles |
| 21:40.52 | manithree | youtah: or would care |
| 21:45.26 | programmerq | unum: I think the republican party is a bit too heavy handed on many issues. I think legal immigration should be much easier than it is. I think the current drug policy that many republicans seem to support is a bit too heavy handed. I think the republican party takes things "too far" on things like abortion and [lack of] gun control. maybe not "too far" |
| 21:45.43 | programmerq | but the bigger issue is that the stuff they want to *do* doesn't actually help the situations tehy say they are trying to help |
| 21:45.54 | programmerq | but that's just politicians and legislation in general |
| 21:46.27 | youtah | http://www.c-span.org/video/?411147-1/president-obama-delivers-statement-us-operations-isis |
| 21:46.36 | youtah | (listen in the background) |
| 21:51.59 | TodPunk | I love randos wandering in for religious advice on IRC |
| 21:52.24 | TodPunk | "I really want to understand things and have a healthy spiritual discussion" - no one on IRC ever |
| 21:52.36 | TodPunk | ~ie-- |
| 21:52.51 | programmerq | I knew this one was going to be good when at 2 minutes in "I guess nobody cares" |
| 21:53.30 | TodPunk | I saw youtah trolling as usual |
| 21:54.00 | TodPunk | I saw eightyeight as bitter as ever "someone is wrong about religion on the internet!" |
| 21:54.07 | TodPunk | all in all, classic #utah |
| 21:54.28 | Migs | yeah, you missed it all |
| 21:54.41 | TodPunk | I missed nothing, I wouldn't have participated even if I were here |
| 21:54.45 | TodPunk | boring conversation is boring |
| 21:54.51 | TodPunk | ~ie-- |
| 21:54.58 | Migs | nothing seems to excite me nowadays |
| 21:55.37 | youtah | that's what she said :( |
| 21:56.00 | Migs | :( |
| 21:56.19 | TodPunk | Migs: your wife is inactive, I forget if you are or not? |
| 21:56.26 | Migs | I am not |
| 21:56.35 | TodPunk | not active? |
| 21:56.40 | youtah | not inactive? |
| 21:56.40 | TodPunk | or not inactive? |
| 21:56.41 | Migs | not inactive |
| 21:56.45 | TodPunk | ah |
| 21:56.49 | Migs | actively not inactive |
| 21:56.55 | Migs | except kind of inactive on that front, too |
| 21:56.59 | Migs | haven't been church in a couple months |
| 21:57.01 | Migs | *been to |
| 21:57.03 | TodPunk | I'm inactively inactive |
| 21:57.08 | Migs | mostly because I hate getting kids ready |
| 21:57.16 | TodPunk | I'm the most attending non-member ever |
| 21:57.26 | youtah | lol |
| 21:57.38 | programmerq | we got out of the habbit when my wife had crowd-induced anxiety, and now just plain don't go even though that isn't an issue anymore. |
| 21:57.41 | TodPunk | (I take my daughter every week) |
| 21:57.47 | Migs | my daughter's still active in mutual and young women's and stuff |
| 21:57.52 | fozzmoo | I got a new calling a couple months ago. I'm in charge of putting together the paper sacrament program each week. |
| 21:58.08 | Migs | I'm still the stake tech specialist |
| 21:58.12 | youtah | fozzmoo, one time our calling was folding the programs |
| 21:58.23 | fozzmoo | youtah: Niiice. I do that myself. :) |
| 21:58.32 | programmerq | I'm not from utah, so the way the church operates here is very different than what I grew up with. here there's the "hey neighbor" vibe that's ever present at church. |
| 21:58.42 | programmerq | if that makes sense. |
| 21:58.57 | Migs | I don't really worry about it |
| 21:58.57 | fozzmoo | programmerq: Makes perfect sense. Fellow ward members are also neighbors. |
| 21:59.06 | Migs | it worries my parents a lot more than it worries me |
| 21:59.46 | fozzmoo | I put a challenging word search in each week's program. Gives everyone something to do during a boring meeting. |
| 21:59.52 | Migs | haha nice |
| 21:59.55 | Migs | sudoku |
| 21:59.59 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 22:00.02 | Migs | that would be nice too |
| 22:00.08 | Migs | paint-by-numbers Jesus |
| 22:00.16 | Migs | so many ideas |
| 22:01.18 | TodPunk | programmerq: the social cues suck |
| 22:01.22 | TodPunk | like, SUCK |
| 22:01.46 | TodPunk | in Illinois and California (both north and south) you could just attend to worship |
| 22:01.48 | eightyeight | i'm still currently choir accompianist, with my wife choir director |
| 22:01.57 | eightyeight | even though i don't believe, i don't mind musical callings |
| 22:02.03 | eightyeight | i'll turn everything else down though |
| 22:02.21 | TodPunk | here it's more like "oh, we're neighbors, we're going to talk about this ALL THE TIME EVER! Oh, you don't want to be buddies too? What's wrong with you? Don't you come to socialize?" |
| 22:02.33 | fungus | aren't they afraid you apostate beliefs might show through in your playing? |
| 22:02.43 | fungus | s/you/your/ |
| 22:02.46 | TodPunk | not his playing, his twitter feed |
| 22:02.59 | eightyeight | bangs out `stairway to heaven' while playing `i am a child of god' |
| 22:03.03 | programmerq | I'm not always the most outgoing person. If I had a few neighbors I was friends with, it'd be much easier to go to church. I have plenty of *friendly* neighbors, but not friends that I'm buddy-buddy with. |
| 22:03.31 | TodPunk | everything in the church is essentially ostracizing to me and my culture |
| 22:03.57 | eightyeight | the worst church sin, is marriages in the temple |
| 22:04.06 | programmerq | What culture is that (if you don't mind me asking)? |
| 22:04.35 | TodPunk | "Oh, you like video games? Well, we hate that, but we'll hate the sin and all that." "Oh, you don't think basketball and going shooting are a good mutual activity? Well, you should come, maybe you could fix yourself if you try hard" |
| 22:04.51 | Migs | wat |
| 22:04.57 | programmerq | yeah, I hate playing sports. no basketball for me kthx |
| 22:05.25 | programmerq | on my mission, every single damned p-day the whole zone would drive forever (chewing through our miles limits) to play basketball for n hours |
| 22:05.28 | TodPunk | I essentially just did my scout stuff on my own (twice in fact) back in the day because of that |
| 22:05.31 | programmerq | I never participated |
| 22:05.52 | programmerq | I got lucky, scouts was well done while I was interested. |
| 22:05.54 | TodPunk | I hated that, too, to be honest, but my mom was hardcore |
| 22:05.55 | Migs | I like how some Mormons do a traditional "worldly" marriage ceremony in a chapel or whatever, for all the friends and family, then just do the temple ceremony privately afterward, just the two of them |
| 22:06.08 | Migs | I thnk that's the way to go |
| 22:06.09 | programmerq | after I got my eagle, it went downhill, but I was kind of done anyway |
| 22:07.03 | TodPunk | As an adult the problem is mostly sports, sports, sports, and "oh, you know anything about computers, you can fix everyone in the ward's computers for anything, right?" and that was literally my whole identity to them |
| 22:07.05 | fozzmoo | I had a scout leader tell me I would amount to nothing about six months before I would have gotten my Eagle, so I didn't get to experience that. |
| 22:07.31 | Migs | maybe he was trying the drill sergeant approach of motivation |
| 22:07.38 | TodPunk | (None of this is why I left, mind you, but was the most constant frustration I had for sure) |
| 22:07.38 | fozzmoo | And then I fell out of activity more or less until I met my wife. |
| 22:07.45 | programmerq | TodPunk: that makes sense. I've gotten pretty good at disarming that though |
| 22:07.55 | Migs | well, did you amount to anything? |
| 22:07.55 | TodPunk | programmerq: I just said no |
| 22:08.14 | fozzmoo | Migs: I like to think I amounted to *something*. |
| 22:08.26 | Migs | TodPunk: I think that's pretty much the identity of any "computer guy" in any setting |
| 22:08.31 | Migs | I'm my neighborhood's "computer guy" too |
| 22:08.35 | programmerq | I just tell them that all I can do is throw it all away and start over |
| 22:08.35 | TodPunk | fozzmoo: I never got my eagle either. I got everything but my eagle project done twice, though (they lost all my records between Illinois and California) |
| 22:08.37 | Migs | same wtih my family |
| 22:08.47 | programmerq | "oh just wipe it. the problem will be gone" |
| 22:08.48 | Migs | my parents paid for my undergrad CS education, so I can't really say no to them |
| 22:09.21 | TodPunk | I say no to everyone but my dad, because he's the only one that will listen to me at all |
| 22:09.35 | TodPunk | "You need to stop installing random nonsense on here." |
| 22:09.39 | programmerq | that or I'll quote an hourly rate. |
| 22:09.57 | eightyeight | TodPunk: heh. tired of my sunday updates? |
| 22:10.08 | TodPunk | eightyeight: I don't really read twitter, so no, I don't care =cP |
| 22:10.12 | programmerq | the key is to just quote the rate and terms immediately without hesitation, and have it be high enough that you'd actually do it if they agreed. |
| 22:10.18 | programmerq | (I've never had anyone agree) |
| 22:10.22 | fozzmoo | Tweeters are lame. |
| 22:10.52 | TodPunk | Well, important people disagree with you |
| 22:10.56 | TodPunk | pardon me |
| 22:11.02 | TodPunk | important and not-terrible people |
| 22:11.47 | TodPunk | programmerq: "I can for $125/hr with a two hour minimum" Usually got the 'business' people to shut up |
| 22:14.24 | SunSparc | Neighborhood discount of $100/hour. :) |
| 22:14.26 | levi1 | fozzmoo: Your sound will be terrible if you don't have any tweeters to go along with your woofers. |
| 22:14.31 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 22:18.33 | levi | There are other, more outgoing "computer people" in my ward, so no one asks me to do anything. |
| 22:18.58 | unum | fortunatly when i was young I had a close friend in the ward, and he set the tone of young mens program |
| 22:19.07 | unum | so I always felt included there |
| 22:19.30 | unum | it wasn't until he moved in with fozzmoo I started having cultural issues |
| 22:19.42 | fozzmoo | Oh sure, blame me. |
| 22:19.49 | unum | not that him living with fozzmoo is related just that he moved away from me |
| 22:19.57 | unum | and left the church soon after |
| 22:20.22 | youtah | blames fozzmoo |
| 22:20.26 | youtah | what are we talking about? |
| 22:20.30 | romanovic | levi: same here, lots of computer ppl around, so nobody asks me. |
| 22:20.31 | unum | I have a hard time with a lot of the cultural issues but I'm enough of a loud mouth to drive some change |
| 22:21.10 | youtah | loses interest, goes back to work |
| 22:21.11 | SunSparc | Religious people are weird. |
| 22:21.35 | unum | I have a stake president who frequently condemns computer games and called obama a socialist, so last feb I gave a talk in stake conference about how I hate going to church because all everyone talks about is sports, guns, and how I'm evil since I'm a democrat. |
| 22:21.40 | youtah | do you have to loose interest before you can lose it? |
| 22:21.41 | SunSparc | ~work youtah |
| 22:21.41 | infobot | ACTION looks over the shoulder of youtah to see what needs to be done and then sets the elves to work getting it all done so youtah can play bzflag |
| 22:22.22 | SunSparc | unum: They probably have not asked you to give a talk again since then. :) |
| 22:22.32 | levi | youtah: First you loosen it, then you have to wiggle around a bit, then it falls off and you lose it. |
| 22:23.16 | youtah | make sense |
| 22:23.23 | unum | SunSparc: I might be exaggarating just a bit |
| 22:23.28 | unum | ;) |
| 22:23.38 | SunSparc | :D |
| 22:23.56 | SunSparc | Let's just assume you are not. More fun that way. |
| 22:24.20 | fozzmoo | Our previous stake president who is the nicest guy in the world would always include stuff in his talks about how evil beards were. |
| 22:24.50 | unum | I forgot to bring up the video games stuff, I wish I had remembered that |
| 22:24.53 | fozzmoo | He'd talk about the wayward bearded neighbor who never came to church, but then one day, after being fellowshipped, shaved and showed up for sacrament. |
| 22:25.05 | unum | I did mention being a computer nerd. |
| 22:25.27 | fozzmoo | So, it was with some satisfaction that our previous bishop grew out a gnarly beard after he was released. :) |
| 22:25.46 | SunSparc | I have a beard AND play video games. I am probably going to hell. |
| 22:25.54 | unum | The theme of my talk was actually don't leave the church over cultural differences |
| 22:25.55 | Migs | my buddy was a bishop and got a tattoo right after he was released |
| 22:25.59 | Migs | thought that was funny |
| 22:26.00 | programmerq | I shaved my beard about a month ago, but I am growing my hair out. |
| 22:26.15 | unum | others addressed the don't leave the church over historical issues theme |
| 22:26.17 | fozzmoo | I really don't get the beard thing. Haven't they looked at pictures of the prophets during the first 70 or so years of the church? |
| 22:26.30 | Migs | yeah, but Jesus didn't have a beard |
| 22:26.31 | unum | fozzmoo: agreed |
| 22:27.02 | programmerq | my understanding is that it is a remnant from the US in the 1950s with the whole conformist ideologies "don't be a commie! be a clean-cut guy!" |
| 22:27.17 | SunSparc | Jesus had a goatee. |
| 22:27.33 | unum | no way van dyke |
| 22:27.48 | unum | maybe I should go back to my van dyke |
| 22:28.00 | Migs | what if Jesus was bald? |
| 22:28.11 | SunSparc | What if he had a mustache... |
| 22:28.17 | Migs | sideburns |
| 22:28.25 | SunSparc | Huge chops! |
| 22:28.28 | Migs | what if God was one of us? |
| 22:28.37 | programmerq | just a slob like one of us? |
| 22:28.43 | fozzmoo | programmerq beat me to it. |
| 22:28.49 | Migs | yeah! Just a stranger on the bus |
| 22:28.49 | levi | programmerq: That's my understanding as well. Very much a reaction against counterculture movement and its association with communism. |
| 22:28.54 | Migs | probably trying to make his way home |
| 22:30.17 | SunSparc | unum: You totally should go back to the van dyke |
| 22:31.04 | levi | Read a history of the BYU Honor Code that went into the battles Wilkinson waged to try to keep kids there "clean-cut". |
| 22:31.54 | SunSparc | Culture is interesting. |
| 22:33.37 | fozzmoo | Now I'm tempted to do a van dyke |
| 22:34.06 | programmerq | my favorite BYU honor code story is the no pants test. |
| 22:36.04 | youtah | http://imgur.com/gallery/VAUI1Fg I cant stop laughing |
| 22:37.28 | SunSparc | programmerq: This one? http://universe.byu.edu/2014/11/04/26-years-later-the-story-of-anita-welch1/ |
| 22:38.02 | programmerq | that's the one. |
| 22:38.13 | programmerq | my parents had heard the story while they were at BYU in the 80s |
| 22:38.30 | programmerq | then my mission companion had a funny honor code story about his aunt. he started telling that story, and I finished it |
| 22:38.40 | levi | This is the article I read about how the dress code stuff at BYU came about: https://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/Dialogue_V31N04_101.pdf |
| 22:38.45 | programmerq | and he was like "wtf? how do you know about that? I didn't know anyone else outside my family knew about that" |
| 22:40.10 | SunSparc | programmerq: small world |
| 22:40.35 | levi | The no pants story is awesome, though. |
| 22:40.35 | SunSparc | levi: tldr :D |
| 22:41.05 | SunSparc | The trench coat might as well just have been a dress. |
| 22:41.56 | unum | that was on the cover of time |
| 22:42.03 | unum | pat bagley's biggest success |
| 22:42.10 | unum | and I think he was still a byu student |
| 22:45.19 | programmerq | youtah: what were you referring to when you said to listen in the background on that c-span link? |
| 22:47.28 | programmerq | I've thought about doing a presentation at BYU. that reminds me. hey mindjuju, did you ever hear from the byu linux club about wanting a docker presenter? |
| 22:50.53 | programmerq | I'm not sporting that ugly beard thing anymore, but it would have been mildly entertaining to be on campus with that mess. |
| 22:51.32 | programmerq | the thing that I'm probably the most unhappy about is how the honor code office made a sikh shave his beard. |
| 22:51.44 | programmerq | they apparantly dropped religious reasons from the beard card excuse list |
| 22:51.52 | programmerq | that's pretty messed up |
| 22:52.34 | levi | Read my link. The whole history of the BYU Honor Code is pretty messed up. |
| 22:56.43 | levi | Although for as much as the students and faculty didn't like it, apparently throughout his administration Wilkinson got complaints that enforcement wasn't strict enough. |
| 22:58.20 | programmerq | yeah, there are always *those* people for sure. |
| 22:58.37 | programmerq | they're still there today, and they'll be rude to people the deem to not be following the standards. |
| 22:58.59 | programmerq | I heard a story about someone who would go onto campus to pick up his wife (she was a student, he was not) |
| 22:59.21 | programmerq | he was bearded, and would get dirty looks and people being cheeky. "where is your beard card?" |
| 22:59.44 | programmerq | so he carried a copy of this in his pocket: http://www.ldswallpaper.com/wp-content/gallery/jesus1024x768/jesuschristredrobelarge_1024x768.jpg |
| 22:59.54 | programmerq | it would shut commenters up really fast |
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| 23:51.15 | goozbach | trent__: |
| 23:51.20 | goozbach | hi trent__ |
| 23:51.28 | goozbach | ~seen trent |
| 23:51.30 | infobot | trent <~Trent@unaffiliated/trenty> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 504d 21h 3m 50s ago, saying: 'In other words, ignore existing directories at the destination (do not perform rsync on an existing subdirectory)'. |
