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| 15:23.58 | youtah | So I went to setup my 2.4GHz Ham Radio MESH Network this weekend. I had run some CAT5e throught he same hole that the old direct TV dish used to use... and I coiled it up so I could install the dish later. Well, I went to finished the install and I found this. https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13263933_10209732752139771_6969530809545438234_n.jpg?oh=ec390c7037851e2e72bcdb29f9d41650&oe=57CA2044 I believe this is what they call a Nested Loop? |
| 15:36.58 | taxilian | but on the bright side, it gives you a chance to play with IP over Avian Carriers (https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1149) |
| 15:37.23 | taxilian | though actually you should probably use the newer version of the protocol: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2549 |
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| 15:46.33 | manithree | youtah: as a bonus, maybe you'll commit a federal felony by taking down the nest |
| 15:46.53 | youtah | For a Robin? |
| 15:47.09 | youtah | naw, it's only 3 weeks till they're hatched a gone |
| 15:47.17 | youtah | there's been some magpies eyeing him though |
| 15:47.26 | youtah | seen the Momma Robin chase it off a couple of times already |
| 15:47.32 | youtah | Momma Robin is viscious |
| 15:47.48 | youtah | I know that Magpies are federally protected |
| 15:48.03 | youtah | it was something like the Migratory Bird Act of Mexico from the 1950's or something like that |
| 15:49.35 | youtah | Robins and their nests are fully protected under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 |
| 15:50.21 | youtah | Here's the list of the Migratory Bird Act |
| 15:50.23 | youtah | http://www.pacificwildlife.org/info/online%20docs/fmbtalist.pdf |
| 15:50.30 | youtah | notice all the Magpie species are on there |
| 15:51.37 | youtah | WHOA it's older than I thought |
| 15:51.39 | youtah | 1918 |
| 15:55.29 | manithree | I know some migratory birds (swallows) that have eggs in the nest, it's illegal to take them down. I won't call the marshals on you, but you did post it on teh interwebz |
| 15:59.48 | youtah | you wait till their gone |
| 15:59.51 | youtah | and then it's in the clear |
| 16:00.05 | youtah | you cannot take it down while it's in the pceoss of being built or inhabited |
| 16:00.18 | youtah | process* |
| 16:00.40 | youtah | and this robin has only (guesstimating) 3 more weeks |
| 16:00.43 | youtah | so no big rush |
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| 16:22.17 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/razGIDL.gifv |
| 16:27.21 | TodPunk | Pffft, if the birds start divebombing me and my kids, the nest goes |
| 16:28.11 | TodPunk | youtah: is there a followup? Will the guy ever walk again? |
| 16:31.49 | youtah | No, the bench could never walk before the incident either |
| 16:32.07 | TodPunk | Oh, well, that's good to know. |
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| 18:52.55 | romanovic | Why is it that jury duty selection happens at absolutely the most inconvenient times? |
| 18:55.01 | romanovic | of all the weekdays of 2016, they've decided to select me exactly on the only days of the year where my wife will be out of town and I will be at home taking care of the kids alone |
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| 18:57.28 | romanovic | Hopefully I'll call and won't be needed. but I feel like I need to rush around and vet local day cares that can take them just for 2-3 days, since its too short notice for any trusted family members to take work off to help out |
| 19:05.00 | romanovic | has greater sympathy for 100% single parents who manage to make things work in the face of major inconveniences |
| 19:31.23 | programmerq | I was an "on-call" juror for January and Fubruary. They never called me. |
| 19:31.41 | programmerq | I had like three trips in that time, and they were super cool when I called and said "hey, I won't be available on these dates" |
| 19:38.39 | romanovic | maybe i'll try calling the clerk and see if they will be accommodating |
| 19:56.38 | TodPunk | romanovic: aren't you up north? |
| 19:56.44 | TodPunk | In crazy-pants land? |
| 19:57.15 | TodPunk | Plus, I think you can just call in and be like "I can't, kids" |
| 19:57.38 | TodPunk | And then they'd be all like "whatevs" |
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| 19:57.44 | TodPunk | and you'd be like "cool" |
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| 20:24.45 | shalkie | TodPunk: Where is crazy-pans land? |
| 20:24.51 | shalkie | s/pans/pants |
| 20:25.02 | TodPunk | shalkie: north of about Sandy |
| 20:25.08 | TodPunk | and south of about Orem |
| 20:31.14 | programmerq | I was actually a little bummed that I didn't get called, but I'm guessing I would have been thrown out because I know about jury nullification. |
| 20:31.26 | shalkie | So like this: https://www.diigo.com/file/image/sobqperzdboqqrscbzcdbbcsaa/Google+Maps.jpg |
| 20:32.06 | programmerq | ~shalkie++ |
| 20:39.49 | shalkie | Argh! The Lazy part of me just wants to fireup a windows VM and run this JS to see what it does. |
| 20:40.54 | SunSparc | Dang it! |
| 20:41.07 | SunSparc | list in Crazy Pants Land... apparently... |
| 20:50.50 | shalkie | I would like to petition for non-crazy pants land to move further south so it is centered around Orem and includes provo. |
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| 20:51.38 | SunSparc | wonders what Crazy Pants are... |
| 20:52.04 | jfindlay | basically all of suburban Utah is where the crazy happens |
| 20:53.06 | SunSparc | Just to clarify, there is crazy and then there is peculiar. |
| 20:56.08 | romanovic | TodPunk: I live in Herriman, so, south west of Sandy. But being called for duty in SLC |
| 20:56.54 | TodPunk | shalkie: ys |
| 20:57.24 | TodPunk | shalkie: everyone would love if Provo could get with the program and be normal for a bit |
| 20:58.39 | SunSparc | ~define normal |
| 20:58.39 | infobot | Use ~dict for definitions. |
| 20:58.40 | TodPunk | And don't think for a moment that not being in crazy-pants land means everything's cool, either. For instance, Lehi has some good peeps, some hick peeps, some whiny peeps, and for the most part can't figure out what roads might be useful for |
| 20:59.01 | TodPunk | Alpine has forgotten that technology and business are things |
| 20:59.11 | SunSparc | ~dict normal |
| 20:59.13 | TodPunk | they created Highland to figure that out for them as their little bro |
| 20:59.31 | TodPunk | Lindon is the Orem that didn't want to be a city |
| 20:59.48 | SunSparc | ~normal |
| 20:59.48 | infobot | There's no such thing as normal. Only different. |
| 21:00.50 | TodPunk | Eagle Mountain is House Developer Paradise and someday they may also have something other than houses and HOAs that don't do anything. Saratoga Springs is Eagle Mountain 2: Electric Boogaloo |
| 21:01.53 | TodPunk | Orem is "We want to be a big city, but never update. Also, orchards." |
| 21:02.12 | romanovic | also, living in less-crazy-pants land is nice, but you have to accept that they'll never spend money on 21st century infrastructure. |
| 21:02.19 | romanovic | like you say about Alpine |
| 21:02.33 | TodPunk | That's just true of most of UTah |
| 21:02.51 | unum | Murray paid for their own fiber line |
| 21:03.04 | TodPunk | Even the places that "spent money" on things like Utopia basically finished 1/3rd and then regret set in for some reason |
| 21:03.20 | TodPunk | Cities that do their own are... well, E for effort |
| 21:03.22 | unum | a recesion set in |
| 21:03.34 | unum | well by own I mean Utopia |
| 21:03.45 | TodPunk | I was more talking iProvo |
| 21:04.17 | unum | I think american fork did a weird coax/fiber hybrid |
| 21:04.21 | unum | http://www.utahgrassroots.org/annual/2016/GrassRoots2016.pdf |
| 21:04.30 | TodPunk | Draper is "Come on in, the debt is fine!" |
| 21:04.38 | unum | a quick chart to determine how crazy your neighbors are |
| 21:04.56 | unum | What did draper go into debt for? They don't have anything. |
| 21:05.10 | TodPunk | Cars and houses, boob jobs, that sort of thing |
| 21:05.22 | unum | ah you mean the residents not the city |
| 21:05.25 | unum | got it |
| 21:05.38 | TodPunk | Most cities don't do much in Utah |
| 21:05.44 | TodPunk | Lehi likes to pretend |
| 21:05.58 | TodPunk | Orem does quite a bit here and there, but it's ultimately very little |
| 21:05.58 | unum | Sandy likes to pretend it's not a suburb |
| 21:06.09 | unum | they have a professional sports teams and an expo center |
| 21:06.11 | TodPunk | Sandy also likes to pretend they're cultural |
| 21:06.13 | unum | and now a theater |
| 21:06.50 | TodPunk | Provo gets too much out of BYU's existence |
| 21:07.21 | romanovic | I'd rather live in any of those cities over SLC and Provo (and have lived in some of those cities, as well as SLC, in the past, so I speak from experience) |
| 21:07.31 | TodPunk | yeah |
| 21:07.57 | TodPunk | I'm not hipster enough to live in Provo |
| 21:08.28 | romanovic | I... just wish they'd pretend like priorities in 2016 can be different than in 1916 |
| 21:08.42 | TodPunk | But the printing press, romanovic! |
| 21:08.52 | TodPunk | How else will we inform the masses! |
| 21:09.02 | romanovic | like, not paving any new roads unless fiber lines are also laid down with the road |
| 21:09.43 | TodPunk | Lehi likes to talk about their conduit, which is laughable because every ISP that's got a leasing agreement for that conduit says it's basically unusable in 90% of the town |
| 21:10.06 | TodPunk | is just glad there's fiber in their development |
| 21:10.22 | romanovic | I don't want the government to provide me internet. I just want all cable/telecom interests to be irreversibly severed from the last-mile infrastructure |
| 21:10.34 | unum | http://www.myuea.org/sites/utahedu/Uploads/files/Politics/2016%20Under%20the%20Dome/2016-HouseVotingRecords.pdf |
| 21:10.39 | romanovic | despite their investments in the same |
| 21:11.27 | TodPunk | Yeah, I'd like a municipal infrastructure and private networks, emphasis on the plural there |
| 21:12.55 | unum | municipal infrastructure makes sense |
| 21:13.05 | unum | it's kind of odd to me how controversial that is |
| 21:13.29 | unum | there seems to be an idea among many that private is better even if there's no competition |
| 21:13.38 | unum | but competition is what makes markets work |
| 21:14.18 | unum | making everything private, but not securing competive market place, generally won't get you good things |
| 21:17.57 | romanovic | yeah. it's like if the stock market were operated by Apple. "Come trade* in the stock market**! (*Trades only allowed for Apple stock **Apple is the sole stock broker serving your country)" |
| 21:31.05 | jfindlay | I'd rather have neighbors with dead lawns than be subject to the tyranny of HOA |
| 21:33.16 | jima | ditto |
| 21:33.47 | jima | unum: SO CONTROVERSIAL |
| 21:45.34 | RyanE | well, that *is* kind of up to you... Just don't build somewhere that's covered by a HOA... |
| 21:48.13 | TodPunk | less and less space going without HOAs these days |
| 21:48.19 | TodPunk | I don't know why that is, to be honest |
| 21:48.44 | TodPunk | Like, the promise of an eternally fancy neighborhood sounds good, but who has ever believed that will be the actual reality of it? |
| 21:49.17 | RyanE | usually just means someone will use it to become the king-maker. |
| 21:50.34 | TodPunk | Oh wow, apparently that's what I'm trying to be |
| 21:50.47 | TodPunk | like, I don't want to run the HOA, I want someone else to run it for me |
| 21:51.43 | frostyfrog | doesn't exactly like the idea of HOAs. |
| 21:51.51 | RyanE | you just want to assign the winners. :) |
| 21:52.07 | RyanE | we had 'restrictive covenants', but no HOA, so no enforcement. |
| 21:52.11 | RyanE | and no fees. |
| 21:52.37 | frostyfrog | Turns them into guidelines :) |
| 21:55.12 | RyanE | yep. |
| 21:56.25 | SunSparc | ~hoa |
| 21:56.45 | TodPunk | I'm of the opinion that the HOA should protect actual property value and provide for common grounds, like our pool and soccer field. Beyond that I don't want to enforce aesthetics. Put in whatever fence you want so long as it isn't going to take 10K off my property value |
| 21:58.07 | frostyfrog | has a neighbor who doesn't take care of their yard, like at all. Makes for great kitten hunting grounds :3 |
| 21:58.25 | TodPunk | Yeah, that reduces property value, so that probably wouldn't fly |
| 21:58.41 | TodPunk | but the bar is really, really low, so we're talking "mow the thing" |
| 22:00.42 | SunSparc | wonders what the HOA fees will be like on Artisanopolis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cju7HnyJA8k |
| 22:01.47 | SunSparc | frostyfrog: Neighborhood service project opportunity? |
| 22:02.01 | unum | cities often have those type of ordinances |
| 22:02.18 | unum | mow the lawn, no cars on the grass, fence can only be so high |
| 22:03.30 | frostyfrog | Feeds in their backyard exceed the height of their fence. They keep things down in their front yard, however. (They have no lawn as well) |
| 22:03.36 | TodPunk | unum: yeah, ours has a lot of the stuff that's more restrictive than some of the HOA rules |
| 22:03.39 | unum | they typically do allow you to fly nazi flags if you want to |
| 22:03.39 | frostyfrog | s/Feeds/Weeds/ |
| 22:04.28 | SunSparc | They just need a goat. |
| 22:04.29 | unum | I'm on a corner and my side "lawn" is unfenced |
| 22:04.56 | unum | said lawn probably has more yaro, crab grass, and dandy lions than actual lawn... |
| 22:05.15 | unum | freshly mowed it's not that noticiable |
| 22:05.25 | TodPunk | is just putting in rock |
| 22:05.38 | unum | hopefully we can rip the whole yard out and start over by the end of next year |
| 22:05.46 | SunSparc | is just putting in Solar Freakin' Roadways |
| 22:06.03 | unum | we'll have fruit trees covering most of that area |
| 22:06.24 | SunSparc | Oooh, fruit trees! What flavor? |
| 22:06.41 | unum | necterines |
| 22:06.52 | SunSparc | Yum |
| 22:06.55 | unum | and I forgot what else |
| 22:07.01 | unum | I think we have space for three |
| 22:07.08 | unum | apricot |
| 22:07.13 | unum | and apple |
| 22:07.20 | unum | that sounds about right |
| 22:07.30 | SunSparc | Peaches tend to do well here, so nectaries are probably the same. Apricot and apple do well also. |
| 22:07.38 | unum | we're going to put a fow shade trees up next to the house |
| 22:07.50 | unum | and have a path between the two |
| 22:08.05 | unum | and some raised beds |
| 22:08.32 | SunSparc | I hesitate to put trees near my house. Roots are destructive and if trees are not maintained they can get big and be a falling hazard to the house. |
| 22:08.54 | unum | that's a good point |
| 22:09.03 | unum | these are narrow trees |
| 22:09.23 | SunSparc | That is nice. Tall shrubs could be a good option also. |
| 22:09.28 | unum | ya |
| 22:09.41 | unum | that's what we are going to do a long the back fence |
| 22:10.10 | unum | it's funny how I've been on some small properties in salt lake that feel more private than most properties in the suburbs |
| 22:10.14 | SunSparc | Nice. I am still trying to figure out what to do along my back fence. |
| 22:10.35 | SunSparc | Taller houses? |
| 22:11.05 | unum | we were going to do fruit trees but my brother(who's helping me design it) pointed out they wouldn't give us much privacy |
| 22:11.13 | unum | shrubs do better for that |
| 22:11.36 | unum | it's all the old growth vs mostly lawn |
| 22:11.48 | SunSparc | Yeah, fruit trees, if properly maintained, are usually fairly short. |
| 22:12.03 | unum | and often bare |
| 22:12.09 | SunSparc | :) |
| 22:12.16 | unum | so we're going to do evergreen shrubs that will probably have to be wrapped |
| 22:13.06 | SunSparc | That is a good option. |
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| 22:23.00 | TodPunk | Apricots suck |
| 22:31.23 | SunSparc | Dude, they do not even have lips or lungs, how could they suck? |
| 22:31.39 | TodPunk | Something something phase variance |
| 22:31.52 | SunSparc | :) |
| 22:32.07 | jfindlay | ~brain |
| 22:32.08 | infobot | Actually, I'm a lab mouse bent on world domination. |
| 22:32.13 | SunSparc | ~lolstats TodPunk |
| 22:41.33 | unum | it's always interesting to read about Mark Cuban |
| 22:41.43 | unum | his politics are all over the map |
| 22:42.21 | unum | I think he's completely clueless about higher education |
| 22:42.21 | TodPunk | Mostly he has no idea what he's talking about on just about any topic |
| 22:42.24 | RyanE | unless of course, you're on his map, then they're all on the map. |
| 22:43.07 | TodPunk | He gets some things right sometimes (roll the dice enough...) and he sounds salient a lot of the time, but the actual things he says are dumb |
| 22:43.26 | unum | a broken clock... |
| 22:43.48 | RyanE | is good for parts... |
| 22:43.57 | TodPunk | unless it's swiss |
| 22:44.03 | TodPunk | ... |
| 22:44.05 | unum | I guess the only thing I ever read of his in detail is the education stuff |
| 22:45.19 | unum | which almost has point, but the gainful employment rule seems solves much of what he's complaining about(easy money) |
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