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| 15:58.24 | unum | eightyeight: I meant to tell you last monday I finished #8 |
| 15:58.41 | unum | I was travelling last weeke so I have a good start on #9 now |
| 15:58.47 | eightyeight | nice |
| 15:58.51 | eightyeight | i'm about 1/2 through #4 |
| 15:58.58 | programmerq | The HTC Vive is pretty neat. |
| 16:38.51 | keldwud | hey so I'm new to running and am looking for somebody in the downtown area to maybe run with sometimes. I have to be able to run 15 miles by october. |
| 16:38.58 | keldwud | so I'm starting training, like, right now |
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| 17:20.24 | jfindlay | I guess I am naive, but when docker let me in on their 'private' beta for mac and windows, I though that meant I could run those containers on a linux host |
| 17:21.37 | programmerq | jfindlay: you can. |
| 17:21.42 | programmerq | what problem are you having? |
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| 17:21.45 | youtah | http://www.ksl.com/?sid=39785170&nid=157&title=warren-buffetts-company-buys-98-million-apple-shares |
| 17:21.53 | youtah | Guess it's time to buy Apple? |
| 17:22.19 | jfindlay | programmerq: none, I'm basing this on conclusions from reading promotional materials |
| 17:22.32 | jfindlay | so it's likely I'm entirely wrong |
| 17:22.52 | jfindlay | programmerq: however, mac and win containers on linux would be groovy sauce |
| 17:22.58 | programmerq | jfindlay: basically the "docker for mac" / "docker for windows" beta is just an effort to better integrate a linux VM to a workflow. |
| 17:23.40 | programmerq | there is, however, a docker port to windows server 2016, which is a different effort. That will allow you to run windows containers on windows kernel with their new containerization tech in server 2016 |
| 17:24.34 | frostyfrog | docker for mac... That uses virtual box and a linux VM in the background, IIRC... |
| 17:24.39 | programmerq | the docker for mac, specifically, uses xhyve under the hood and runs a small alpine linux VM. it treats that VM like a black box and doesn't intend for users to access it directly. you get a /var/run/docker.sock visible on your osx host |
| 17:24.52 | Jayce^ | and it's really nice... |
| 17:25.09 | programmerq | the whole idea is to get away from the virtualbox solution, which is what "docker toolbox" and docker-machine implements. |
| 17:26.48 | programmerq | it also handles osx filesystem sharing into the vm complete with fs events and such. it's much more performant than vboxsf |
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| 17:27.40 | jfindlay | programmerq: just to be sure, you can run docker containers of win and mac on linux with this new docker toolbox thingy? |
| 17:28.15 | programmerq | docker toolbox isn't new |
| 17:28.19 | programmerq | the 'docker for mac' thing is new |
| 17:28.41 | jfindlay | ok, but can I run windows and mac containers on linux? |
| 17:28.44 | programmerq | no |
| 17:28.52 | programmerq | docker isn't virtualization |
| 17:29.06 | jfindlay | ok, that makes sense |
| 17:29.11 | programmerq | docker for mac is a project that runs a linux vm in the background and runs linux containers on that |
| 17:29.23 | Jayce^ | jfindlay: it means take your normal linux docker images, and run them much closer to native, as compared to running via virtualbox hacks |
| 17:29.44 | youtah | I want to start a computer/tech company called Oranges and go head to head with Apple. Then people could truly compare Apples or Oranges. |
| 17:29.46 | programmerq | yeah, basically virtualbox sucks. a good number of questions asked in #docker end up being virtualbox questions |
| 17:30.13 | programmerq | similar to my days of doing a lot of chef and vagrant, many questions in those communities ended up being virtualbox questions |
| 17:30.23 | youtah | I've been very happy with Virtualbox |
| 17:30.45 | programmerq | the vboxsf stuff is really terrible-- performs badly, doesn't really expose host ownership/permissions, no filesystem events. |
| 17:31.12 | programmerq | oh don't get me wrong, it is a gerat tool and I use it all the time, but it has real issues that are ever present in communities that use it. |
| 17:31.35 | jfindlay | well, once oracle took over that project, that meant that I never felt compelled to look at it ever again |
| 17:32.01 | youtah | "doesn't really expose host ownership/permissions" << Why would you want it to? |
| 17:32.29 | programmerq | youtah: I generaly don't, but ownership/permissions come up as quesitons in many communities using virtualbox regularly. |
| 17:32.55 | jlp_znc | keldwud: http://www.tubechop.com/watch/8001770 |
| 17:32.58 | youtah | I feel like that goes entirely against the grain of it's purpose in life |
| 17:33.06 | programmerq | I can type up a brief history on docker and its approaches for folk wanting to run it on mac/windows. |
| 17:33.29 | youtah | that would be interesting to read |
| 17:44.55 | keldwud | so, apparently devops days is in direct competition with openwest |
| 17:45.10 | keldwud | you know, running on the same days and targeting similar markets.. |
| 17:46.46 | voldemortensen | devops days is harder to say. |
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| 17:48.28 | voldemortensen | also the top link in my search for "devops days utah" says my connection is insecure. |
| 17:48.41 | voldemortensen | goes to openwest |
| 17:49.31 | keldwud | devops days appears to just have one track and is $30 more than openwest |
| 17:49.41 | RyanE | one track mind |
| 17:50.18 | keldwud | it also appears to be geared more towards maybe small startup types to provide a more collaborative environment for people to work on things together |
| 17:50.44 | asoc | at least with that you don't have to worry about the issue of every talk you want to go to being at the same time in different tracks! |
| 17:51.14 | voldemortensen | but then you have to deal with 2-3+ hours of talks you don't give a hoot about. |
| 17:52.28 | keldwud | If I was a small startup with maybe only me and one other guy running IT ops, I think that I would definitely choose slcdevopsdays over openwest because the collaboration from the space would be more valuable to me than specific talks |
| 17:53.12 | joshh | openwest seems a lot more general |
| 17:53.31 | keldwud | and it would be more valuable because they have set up an open forum type to discuss what's on their minds and the chances of getting immediate solutions to my needs at work |
| 17:54.11 | keldwud | but since I work in a well established shop who isn't trying to solve new and unique problems, openwest is more up my alley because I am using tools that already have a good network of people using them |
| 17:54.32 | programmerq | youtah: https://gist.github.com/programmerq/db59176bc6d9ebfd6bf79278ea25895e <-- not proof read so sorry if there are errors or just sucks to read. |
| 17:54.47 | youtah | no worries |
| 17:55.12 | keldwud | plus, openwest has bruce schneier |
| 17:55.50 | keldwud | still wondering why slc devops days chose to run during open west, though. |
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| 17:57.46 | Migs | what a good-looking bunch https://www.openwest.org/schedule/#tab-speakers |
| 17:58.14 | Migs | if you choose slcdevopsdays you'll miss out on that handsome bunch |
| 18:02.17 | keldwud | which one is you? :) |
| 18:03.02 | keldwud | oh, I see programmerq |
| 18:03.27 | keldwud | do we even know any of the people involved in slcdevops days? |
| 18:03.42 | keldwud | I hadn't ever heard of it until my manager came and asked me if I would be interested in going |
| 18:23.13 | eightyeight | https://twitter.com/AaronToponce/status/732270271067873280 |
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| 19:32.20 | spangborn | ~lart youtah |
| 19:32.20 | infobot | brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, youtah!" and lops off youtah's head |
| 19:32.40 | jlp_znc | whoa |
| 19:32.40 | spangborn | youtah: Congrats on the graduating! |
| 19:33.01 | jfindlay | ~napoleon youtah |
| 19:33.01 | infobot | ACTION makes youtah his secret service captain |
| 19:33.06 | voldemortensen | ~rescue youtah |
| 19:33.06 | infobot | ACTION leaps into certain danger to rescue youtah and return youtah to safety! |
| 19:35.24 | youtah | Thanks spangborn |
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| 19:46.31 | jlp_znc | you should be thanking voldemortensen |
| 19:48.46 | spangborn | Nobody thanks voldemortensen. |
| 19:52.21 | jsmith | Thanks, voldemortensen |
| 19:52.53 | voldemortensen | jsmith: :) |
| 19:53.48 | jsmith | is trying not to get distracted in this ES6 + React class, but finding it hard to stay interested... |
| 19:54.13 | voldemortensen | Barf |
| 19:56.11 | voldemortensen | I've been really into Polymer lately. |
| 19:56.52 | jsmith | Haven't played with it |
| 19:57.16 | jsmith | I'll have to check it out in my copious spare time :-p |
| 19:57.32 | Jayce^ | so, tonight.. because we know he has nothing better to do... |
| 19:58.01 | voldemortensen | ~burn |
| 19:58.03 | jsmith | Tonight is the OSCon glow run :-p |
| 19:58.10 | jsmith | So there :-p |
| 19:58.18 | jsmith | wanders off to take a phone call |
| 19:58.26 | voldemortensen | I wish I was at oscon this year. |
| 19:58.34 | Jayce^ | well, at least we nobody will grab an uber to get to the end of the race faster :) |
| 19:59.57 | voldemortensen | I wonder how many people will notice bluehost doesn't have a gigantic booth this year. |
| 20:00.07 | unum | I seriously need a samba test environment |
| 20:00.12 | unum | this last week was terribel |
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| 21:20.56 | SunSparc | unum: Vagrant? |
| 21:38.52 | unum | SunSparc: ya something like that occured to me after I wrote that |
| 21:39.11 | SunSparc | Cool |