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| 13:06.31 | Migs | http://i.imgur.com/YmbzezQ.gifv |
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| 14:15.56 | Migs | http://i.imgur.com/enbXH0j.jpg |
| 14:20.11 | jima | Migs: that's a clear violation of the army's three-points-of-contact policy wrt tanks. |
| 14:20.41 | jima | (if i had to adhere to that policy, so should he.) |
| 14:25.15 | Migs | He's The Donald. He doesn't adhere to nothing. |
| 14:26.09 | jima | so i can take that double negative to mean he adheres to something? |
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| 14:29.04 | Migs | He don't need no non-adherence to no double negatives, not |
| 14:29.52 | jima | figures. |
| 14:41.33 | manithree | Migs: Apparently he adheres to tanks |
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| 14:44.17 | jima | ...true. |
| 14:48.47 | Migs | yesterday my daughter was insistent on going over to her friend's house. That boy she likes is in the neighborhood. So we told her the condition was that we get to talk to him. Mainly we just wanted to let him know we're watching. |
| 14:49.03 | Migs | Kid came out of his house all dressed up nicely, and we just chit-chatted a bit about where he goes to school, what his parents do, making sure he doesn't text her after 9:30... |
| 14:49.07 | Migs | he didn't really seem nervous at all...he was quite confident |
| 14:49.28 | Migs | Also had an earlier talk with daughter about how she's really too young to be talking about kissing boys, and she needs to work on building friendships first. She acted like she understood, but she's pretty much disregarding everything in her texts. Some other boy in the neighborhood asked if she "wanted to kiss Neilsen (the boy) again" and she was all "heck ya" |
| 14:49.32 | Migs | so I don't think we're getting through to her |
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| 14:51.32 | TodPunk | Hormones are tough |
| 14:52.38 | TodPunk | To be fair, you don't seem to be the paragon of self-control in the face of flighty desire either, though that's a bit of an extrapolation from simple IRC behavior, so you could just be completely opposite in real life |
| 14:55.54 | Migs | Nonsense. I'm completely in control of my faculties. |
| 14:59.10 | TodPunk | So, take or leave this, but you probably want to have a one way chat with her in the opposite direction than usual. Ask her frank questions about what she wants out of the relationship, get her to think beyond her own hormones, and accept her answers (because they will not be to your liking) while steering her to an understanding that if she doesn't plan for things, lines can be crossed that have consequences she will see she's not ready for. |
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| 15:00.32 | TodPunk | (As an aside, I have a 12 year old turning 13 this month, and she's getting kind of heavy with a 16 year old down the street, and we're doing this same thing, making her essentially face the responsibilities her hormones ask her to ignore, and I'm less than pleased that I have to watch this all unfold, but it will work out better than if I just try to hold her back just because I know better) |
| 15:01.27 | TodPunk | For our perspective, the important bit is that she has to be the one thinking about this stuff and making the decisions, because if we tell her what to do, it ends up being irrelevant |
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| 15:08.43 | TodPunk | ~seen youtah |
| 15:08.47 | infobot | youtah <~Jeff@50.243.6.92> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 16h 34m 28s ago, saying: 'thats a bit more of a stretch'. |
| 15:12.20 | unum | todpunk: I tend to agree with that view |
| 15:12.37 | unum | of course it's an easy view for me to take since it's currently hypothetical |
| 15:13.55 | unum | again the book I mentioned the other day(talk to me first) talks about this. By that point you need to start recognizing their autonomy. |
| 15:14.20 | unum | you don't completely ignore their behavior, but you have to recognize a certain amount of it is out your control |
| 15:14.43 | TodPunk | by the time they're a teenager, a lot of it is going to be out of your control, which is a thing a lot of parents struggle with |
| 15:14.49 | unum | ya |
| 15:15.03 | TodPunk | We seem to forget a lot that teens are actually adult humans |
| 15:15.43 | TodPunk | The only reason my 12 year old isn't finding a mate and going off to have babies with him is that at some point in the last 200 years we decided they needed an education and couldn't be trusted with managing themselves until later |
| 15:16.08 | unum | ya, I think about that a lot |
| 15:16.13 | TodPunk | granted, this is true and correct for our society today, but not for like, tribal groups in other areas of the world, where 18 as an adult is still laughable |
| 15:17.03 | TodPunk | I have less of a problem with the autonomy and more of a problem of my kids not getting off their butts to help in the things we need help with |
| 15:17.08 | TodPunk | like landscaping -_- |
| 15:17.42 | TodPunk | This seems to be the opposite of most parents, and I'm not sure why I fail there so hard |
| 15:18.40 | unum | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parenting_styles |
| 15:18.51 | unum | there's a typology chart on there |
| 15:19.09 | unum | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:19.32 | Migs | TodPunk: I think that's good advice |
| 15:19.37 | unum | indulgent have trouble enforcing |
| 15:20.11 | TodPunk | Huh. Apparently I'm Authoritative. |
| 15:20.59 | TodPunk | Migs: in practice (in my experience) the hardest part will be getting them to talk if they don't want to, because the whole point is them being the talker |
| 15:21.20 | TodPunk | unum: this article is pretty awesome |
| 15:21.25 | Migs | so far she's been pretty open with us |
| 15:21.37 | Migs | we'd like to keep it that way |
| 15:21.38 | TodPunk | lucky |
| 15:22.01 | unum | TodPunk: ya I really like, it's unfluenced my thinking as a parent quite a bit |
| 15:22.19 | Migs | she's also just coming out of an anorexia treatment center where she's been for 6 months, so she's still a bit fragile |
| 15:22.27 | unum | I've also read a couple of books that don't lay out the same but talk about the authortative methods |
| 15:22.39 | Migs | apparently all the girls in the treatment center did was talk about sex |
| 15:23.51 | TodPunk | Migs: yeah, I read you talking about that a bit. Her peer behavior is probably not helping in that regard, but at least it's not closing you off. It's hard to be around that and not start thinking about it all the time. Probably better than body image derivations for this case, though |
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| 15:24.23 | TodPunk | low self-esteem combined with physicality in a relationship is not a great recipe for success =c( |
| 15:24.26 | Migs | well, it is much better to see her try to have relationships and friendships with other people than secluding herself in her room all day and starving herself |
| 15:24.36 | TodPunk | aye |
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| 15:27.43 | unum | I came from a household that was closer to authortarian, so it's been really good for me to read more about authortative |
| 15:28.11 | TodPunk | I have authoritarian response many times |
| 15:28.29 | TodPunk | mostly to compensate for my wife's indulgent style, if I'm being honest |
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| 15:38.49 | unum | TodPunk: one of the books I read said that's common |
| 15:39.16 | TodPunk | well at least our kids won't be alone then |
| 15:45.18 | unum | that book talked about two type of induglent parents |
| 15:45.32 | unum | one that was initially indulgent and one that could be broken down |
| 15:45.44 | TodPunk | the latter sounds more dangerous |
| 15:45.55 | TodPunk | teach your kids to be manipulative |
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| 15:53.01 | unum | ya |
| 15:54.38 | SunSparc | ~rlart |
| 15:54.38 | infobot | pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps tiwula |
| 16:07.31 | SunSparc | ~nickometer IvAn_At_Work_ |
| 16:07.55 | SunSparc | :) |
| 16:09.48 | jfindlay | ~napoleon SunSparc |
| 16:09.49 | infobot | ACTION throws SunSparc's favorite Masters of the Universe action figure out the bus window attached to a fishing line |
| 16:11.28 | spangborn | youtah: Did you graduate yet? |
| 16:11.49 | spangborn | ~nickometer spangborn |
| 16:12.01 | spangborn | Wewt. |
| 16:13.59 | SunSparc | ~goozbach jfindlay |
| 16:13.59 | infobot | ACTION burns down jfindlay's house with an army of flaming Elmos. |
| 16:14.11 | TodPunk | I thought his graduation was this weekend |
| 16:14.15 | TodPunk | or something |
| 16:23.09 | SunSparc | ~seen youtah |
| 16:23.11 | infobot | youtah <~Jeff@50.243.6.92> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 17h 48m 52s ago, saying: 'thats a bit more of a stretch'. |
| 16:23.21 | jfindlay | ~seen seen |
| 16:23.21 | infobot | i haven't seen 'seen', jfindlay |
| 16:23.37 | jfindlay | ~quote rhat |
| 16:23.44 | jfindlay | whatever |
| 16:23.44 | SunSparc | it has been forever since seen was here |
| 16:26.54 | unum | I'm trying to join a computer to samba domain and I keep getting that the specified domain either does not exist or could not be contacted |
| 16:27.07 | unum | but looking at a packet capture I can see the two computers talking |
| 16:27.52 | SunSparc | Some config var pointing to the wrong place perhaps? |
| 16:29.36 | TodPunk | I'm guessing a mis-spelled thing |
| 16:29.49 | Migs | https://i.imgur.com/pmQq1mE.gifv |
| 16:30.24 | SunSparc | wants |
| 16:30.47 | TodPunk | That looks like a fun project |
| 16:31.21 | unum | this computer is replacing a computer that was previously on the network |
| 16:31.30 | unum | and we're using openldap as the backend database |
| 16:31.48 | unum | I'm afraid there may be some conflict there |
| 16:32.13 | SunSparc | Fresh install? |
| 16:32.58 | unum | the windows machine is a fresh install |
| 16:33.05 | unum | I can't do a fresh install on teh server side |
| 16:35.52 | unum | I've turned on extra logging on samba and got nothing |
| 16:36.02 | unum | I've done a packet capture and can't find anything useful |
| 16:47.09 | SunSparc | Can you turn up the verbosity on the windows machine? (been too long since I have messed with samba) |
| 16:52.17 | unum | good question |
| 16:58.36 | unum | I may have found the problem.... |
| 16:58.55 | unum | but it works for the computers that are already joined... |
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| 18:21.53 | Migs | aww, this nice old lady in my cul-de-sac died last night |
| 18:21.53 | Migs | sad |
| 18:22.03 | Migs | my kids are going to be all emo |
| 18:34.10 | spangborn | Oh hi there. http://i.imgur.com/9I0NyjR.jpg |
| 18:36.57 | eightyeight | again? |
| 18:37.10 | eightyeight | although, not taylorsville |
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| 19:20.13 | jlp_znc | weird. |
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| 19:45.26 | unum | http://www.fmylife.com/kids/21555394 |
| 19:45.36 | unum | that seemed relevant especially the top comment |
| 19:46.54 | SunSparc | wow! |
| 19:48.33 | SunSparc | A bit late for the birds and the bees talk at that point. |
| 19:56.57 | Migs | gah |
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| 20:00.22 | Migs | that's just worrisome |
| 20:00.47 | Migs | fortunately my kid is just at the "I want to kiss this boy" stage |
| 20:00.56 | Migs | I can stop this nonsense before it starts |
| 20:06.31 | spangborn | eightyeight: Evidently. I have an alert setup for that model of plane, but evidently it didn't fire for whatever reason. |
| 20:06.46 | spangborn | Walked outside of work and noticed a low flying plane, and sure enough, there he is. |
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| 21:00.02 | SunSparc | spangborn: He is keeping tabs on you. |
| 21:00.23 | spangborn | That wouldn't surprise me. I already know I'm on a list for downloading/using Tor. |
| 21:00.41 | SunSparc | Haha |
| 21:00.58 | SunSparc | I messed around with Tor for a while. Cool stuff. |
| 21:01.00 | spangborn | And I'm probably on another list for FOIA'ing my NSA metadata record. |
| 21:01.38 | SunSparc | Oh yeah? Find anything interesting on it? |
| 21:01.56 | spangborn | They could neither confirm nor deny that I had an NSA metadata record. |
| 21:02.12 | SunSparc | lol |
| 21:02.37 | spangborn | There was an online form you could fill out to request that data, and someone mailed the requests in bulk to NSA. |
| 21:02.41 | spangborn | They weren't pleased. |
| 21:03.10 | SunSparc | Well good. They should not be. |
| 21:03.26 | spangborn | The entire goal of the service the guy set up was to annoy them, so I guess it worked. |
| 21:03.37 | SunSparc | ~lart The NSA |
| 21:03.37 | infobot | crushes The NSA with a full height scsi disk |
| 21:04.08 | SunSparc | infobot: You might need a bigger disk to crush the NSA |
| 21:04.36 | Migs | ~kronk |
| 21:04.37 | infobot | Beats me. By all accounts it doesn't make sense. |
| 21:12.32 | SunSparc | Pure Evil: https://twitter.com/thinkgeek/status/728311309499043841 |
| 21:20.21 | jlp_znc | NOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 21:21.48 | SunSparc | ~karma JarJar |
| 21:21.48 | infobot | jarjar has neutral karma |
| 21:52.51 | jlp_znc | not when he's sitting behind you! |
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