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| 14:21.16 | jlp_znc | ~worf |
| 14:21.16 | infobot | We cannot regain honor by acting dishonorably. |
| 14:21.32 | jlp_znc | someone needs to tell that to ~trump |
| 14:22.08 | knine | Good old worf |
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| 14:52.53 | TodPunk | ~trump |
| 14:52.53 | infobot | Trump 2016 FTW! |
| 14:53.07 | jlp_znc | ~kronk |
| 14:53.07 | infobot | Did you see that sky today? Talk aboutblue. |
| 14:53.27 | jlp_znc | missing space? |
| 14:58.09 | jlp_znc | fixed kronk |
| 14:58.25 | jlp_znc | ~moss |
| 14:58.25 | infobot | Did you notice how she didn't even get excited when she saw this original ZX81? |
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| 15:05.56 | jlp_znc | ~roy |
| 15:05.57 | infobot | People; What a bunch of bastards. |
| 15:06.04 | jlp_znc | exactly! |
| 15:06.55 | jlp_znc | ~scoobysnack knine |
| 15:06.55 | infobot | ACTION tosses knine a Scooby Snack(tm) |
| 15:22.15 | Migs | ~kronk |
| 15:22.15 | infobot | And I'm one of those two, right? |
| 15:22.24 | Migs | :( |
| 15:22.28 | Migs | ~kronk |
| 15:22.28 | infobot | Oh yeah, it's all coming together. |
| 15:22.34 | jlp_znc | infobot does rate limiting |
| 15:22.38 | Migs | good, it should |
| 15:22.41 | Migs | ~trump |
| 15:22.41 | infobot | rhymes with orange |
| 15:22.48 | Migs | so idiots like me can't spam it |
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| 15:39.54 | eightyeight | https://twitter.com/AaronToponce/status/727244819853090816 |
| 15:43.45 | jlp_znc | no ksh? |
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| 15:51.53 | bmac2 | anyone that knows of any java developers interested in a position, we have 2 java dev openings here at digital guardian |
| 15:52.07 | bmac2 | tell them to get in touch with me and I will get them in front of my boss asap |
| 15:52.33 | eightyeight | jlp_znc: sorry. i didn't create the flowchart. |
| 15:52.44 | eightyeight | still useful though |
| 15:53.22 | keldwud | ew java |
| 15:53.24 | keldwud | ;) |
| 15:54.03 | bmac2 | my view completely keldwud |
| 15:54.08 | bmac2 | I am no programmer |
| 15:54.14 | bmac2 | I am the senior linux platform engineer |
| 15:54.18 | bmac2 | so I don't code |
| 15:54.28 | bmac2 | the last thing this world needs is THIS moron writing code |
| 15:54.32 | keldwud | as a linux engineer, I hate java |
| 15:54.35 | bmac2 | it would suck if I did |
| 15:54.36 | keldwud | I hate serving java apps |
| 15:54.42 | bmac2 | doesn't bother me |
| 15:54.48 | keldwud | especially java 6 apps |
| 15:54.49 | bmac2 | at least at this job I get centos and tomcat |
| 15:54.59 | bmac2 | as opposed to redhat enterprise and WebLogic |
| 15:55.04 | bmac2 | which I did for 5 years |
| 15:55.12 | eightyeight | weblogic |
| 15:55.14 | eightyeight | ugh |
| 15:55.15 | bmac2 | suck |
| 15:55.27 | bmac2 | weblogic is a bloated piece of crap |
| 15:55.43 | bmac2 | and made worse by Oracle buying up BEA who started it |
| 15:55.47 | eightyeight | does not miss administrating weblogic logs |
| 15:55.53 | bmac2 | me ither |
| 15:55.55 | bmac2 | either |
| 15:56.02 | eightyeight | 4 GB of debug logs per day. yay |
| 15:56.06 | bmac2 | lol |
| 15:56.30 | bmac2 | I had 128 VA Hospital Emergency rooms hitting my weblogic servers |
| 15:56.45 | bmac2 | so it was a cluster for real |
| 15:56.48 | bmac2 | lol |
| 15:56.56 | eightyeight | "dear java devs: STOP PUTTING YOUR DEBUG APPLICATION LOGS IN SYSLOG. kthxbye" |
| 15:57.03 | bmac2 | at least I had nice F5 load balancers to make it a little easier |
| 15:57.07 | bmac2 | rofl |
| 15:57.12 | bmac2 | no, that is where they put them |
| 15:57.15 | bmac2 | it is their right |
| 15:57.19 | bmac2 | it says so in the constitution |
| 15:57.31 | bmac2 | right under java devs are right always |
| 15:57.38 | eightyeight | # chmod a-w /var/log/syslog |
| 15:57.40 | eightyeight | oops |
| 15:57.46 | bmac2 | lol |
| 15:58.19 | eightyeight | "oh. i'm sorry. i was running out of disk space for the 10th day in a row. didn't get the memo? yeah..." |
| 15:58.30 | bmac2 | anyway, it is a really good company with good pay and benefits and a fun laid back place to work |
| 15:58.36 | bmac2 | I am in flip flops and shorts righ now |
| 15:58.42 | eightyeight | ents his rant of java devs and weblogic |
| 15:58.56 | bmac2 | so let anyone you know who does java we are hunting |
| 15:59.18 | voldemortensen | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/280778/why-does-the-following-bash-script-delete-itself |
| 15:59.19 | voldemortensen | lol |
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| 16:07.15 | RyanE | bmac2: they make you wear flip flops? barbarians! |
| 16:09.35 | bmac2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:09.46 | bmac2 | I do it willingly |
| 16:09.53 | bmac2 | in college that was all I owned |
| 16:09.54 | bmac2 | lol |
| 16:10.35 | bmac2 | and I am old |
| 16:10.45 | bmac2 | I been wearing flip flops since the early 70s |
| 16:10.46 | bmac2 | lol |
| 16:10.56 | bmac2 | guess I am just an old hippy-wanna-be |
| 16:11.12 | fadein | http://techcrunch.com/2016/04/30/why-the-nra-hates-smart-guns/ |
| 16:23.33 | fozzmoo | fadein: That's a good article. Refreshingly objective. |
| 16:24.15 | fadein | fozzmoo: I wasn't expecting that from TechCrunch |
| 16:26.04 | fozzmoo | nods |
| 16:31.32 | shalkie | eightyeight: So I have noticed that a lot of folks get the order of bashrc processing wrong. At least for the RHELish boxes it is /etc/bashrc is called from ~/.bashrc |
| 16:32.03 | shalkie | ^is called^that is called^ |
| 16:33.35 | TodPunk | bmac2: are you guys related to proofpoint at all? |
| 16:33.41 | bmac2 | nope |
| 16:34.01 | bmac2 | our home office is in Boston |
| 16:34.07 | bmac2 | Waltham, actually |
| 16:35.20 | TodPunk | Boston area tech companies |
| 16:35.41 | TodPunk | and yet somehow not finance related |
| 16:37.11 | Jayce^ | ugh, boston |
| 16:37.30 | Jayce^ | really tired of boston management |
| 16:38.34 | SunSparc | You can always throw a tea party. I hear those a big in Boston. |
| 16:40.40 | eightyeight | groan |
| 16:41.04 | eightyeight | shalkie: wait. are you saying that ~/.bashrc sources /etc/bashrc on RHEL? i don't think that's correct, if so |
| 16:42.29 | eightyeight | actually, never mind |
| 16:42.42 | eightyeight | ~/.bashrc sources /etc/bashrc |
| 16:43.04 | jfindlay | stupid bash |
| 16:43.22 | jfindlay | zsh is not much better in this regard |
| 16:43.58 | SunSparc | eightyeight: Before or after? |
| 16:44.16 | TodPunk | Java devs: the original "I have no idea how systems work" programmers |
| 16:44.24 | eightyeight | SunSparc: ? |
| 16:44.32 | eightyeight | jfindlay: which regard? sourcing configs? |
| 16:44.38 | jfindlay | eightyeight: yes |
| 16:44.44 | eightyeight | jfindlay: https://twitter.com/AaronToponce/status/727244819853090816 |
| 16:44.50 | SunSparc | eightyeight: If it sources before, things can be overridden still. |
| 16:45.18 | eightyeight | yeah. what's the default order, without any specialized config. IE: if all the configs are blank? |
| 16:45.22 | jfindlay | eightyeight: yes, that's still 6 separate config files for zsh |
| 16:45.34 | eightyeight | jfindlay: a lot cleaner though |
| 16:46.06 | eightyeight | so, i would say it is "much better" |
| 16:46.07 | jfindlay | well, I just have higher standards than everyone in the world who uses zsh |
| 16:46.34 | jfindlay | eightyeight: both bash and zsh use "too many" config files |
| 16:46.48 | manithree | fozzmoo: Except I didn't see the article mention the existing New Jersey mandate |
| 16:47.08 | eightyeight | well, there are system-wide and user-specific. then login vs non-login. how do you get around that? |
| 16:47.27 | eightyeight | seems there are good arguments for the current architecture |
| 16:49.53 | jfindlay | eightyeight: combine all those into two files: system and user. Use a sensible format, like ini instead of shell code. The program should reduce or eliminate as much as possible of the other complexity between login/nonlogin, etc. |
| 16:50.37 | TodPunk | yeah, because ini is much more "sensible" than shell code |
| 16:50.43 | eightyeight | uhm. INI? |
| 16:50.51 | eightyeight | that seems ... arbitrary |
| 16:50.59 | TodPunk | let's just make every config file YAML |
| 16:51.37 | jfindlay | or yaml, watever |
| 16:52.08 | jfindlay | writing config files in shell code is almost as stupid as sendmail having its configs in m4 |
| 16:52.45 | TodPunk | I've never viewed a bashrc as a config file |
| 16:53.04 | jfindlay | that's part of the problem, IMO |
| 16:54.06 | jfindlay | misses the old days when people used to argue with gusto and regularity in #utah |
| 16:54.51 | TodPunk | I gave up arguing after I decided it would never convince anyone of anything. Now I only engage if I am probing for pespectives. |
| 16:55.00 | TodPunk | Like this |
| 16:55.36 | TodPunk | I'm learning a lot about how people view bash lifecycles, and the zsh comparison was odd and intriguing |
| 16:55.48 | jfindlay | well, your perspective is invalidated by my superior logic |
| 16:55.55 | jfindlay | argues |
| 16:56.00 | TodPunk | you called "ini" files "sensible" |
| 16:56.07 | TodPunk | just sayin' |
| 16:56.07 | jfindlay | yes |
| 16:56.12 | jfindlay | because they are simple |
| 16:56.40 | jfindlay | I guess yaml would be a better choice if you need more complexity |
| 16:56.54 | TodPunk | for things that can be expressed by simple key-values in sections, I agree |
| 16:57.03 | TodPunk | I hate YAML |
| 16:57.09 | TodPunk | with a passion |
| 16:57.26 | jfindlay | TodPunk: what would you use if you needed more than keys and values in sections? |
| 16:57.42 | TodPunk | PasteDeploy is possibly a worse thing, though |
| 16:57.47 | TodPunk | JSON or XML |
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| 16:58.32 | SunSparc | jfindlay: Perhaps you should visit the Argument Clinic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y |
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| 16:59.35 | jfindlay | TodPunk: I like json more than yaml, except for the extra punctuation. I guess that is contradictory |
| 17:01.10 | SunSparc | I like DIP switches more than yaml. |
| 17:01.29 | SunSparc | jokes |
| 17:01.35 | TodPunk | My issue with JSON is lack of comments. My issue with YAML is it is a huge pain to parse and context is less informative in it. JSON wins because it's everywhere and fast |
| 17:01.40 | jfindlay | xml can be not too bad if the tag names aren't ridiculous and you can self close tags |
| 17:02.00 | RyanE | JSON is fast if you're writing web. |
| 17:02.06 | jfindlay | json also wins because it's much stricter |
| 17:02.36 | Jayce^ | JSON > YAML > cuneform > XML |
| 17:02.43 | SunSparc | You can add comments in JSON. They just have to be valid JSON. :) |
| 17:02.58 | jfindlay | yaml is only useful as a human->computer interface. If you're going computer->computer, json is a far better medium |
| 17:03.07 | SunSparc | True |
| 17:03.17 | Jayce^ | I jsut hate JSON parses that can't handle trailing commas |
| 17:03.34 | RyanE | loves the trailing comma |
| 17:04.36 | SunSparc | Trailing commas for the win. |
| 17:04.36 | jfindlay | Jayce^: doesn't the new standard allow for trailing commas? |
| 17:04.58 | Jayce^ | all depends on which parser you are using.. in perl it has always been the standard :) |
| 17:05.19 | Jayce^ | of course JSON is almost exactly a perl dumper output.. s/=>/:/ |
| 17:05.23 | RyanE | yeah, well, we all know Perl did everything right all the time. :) |
| 17:05.35 | RyanE | JSON is also almost exactly a Lua dumper. |
| 17:06.23 | eightyeight | has a love/hate relationship with json |
| 17:06.29 | eightyeight | same with yaml |
| 17:06.33 | RyanE | Jason? He's OK |
| 17:06.40 | eightyeight | although i tend to prefer yaml over json for simplicity |
| 17:06.56 | Jayce^ | yeah, YAML is the same.. can be handy, but can also really screw with you at times |
| 17:07.06 | eightyeight | but knowing when i need a list/array versus a hash/ductionary, and the syntax between them, can got obnoxious fast |
| 17:07.25 | TodPunk | all data interchange formats are a compromise with some sacrifice |
| 17:07.47 | eightyeight | but boy, do i hate me some xml |
| 17:07.50 | eightyeight | xml can diaf |
| 17:08.17 | eightyeight | jfindlay: how's that for gusto? |
| 17:08.56 | eightyeight | web searches 'cuneform' |
| 17:09.39 | jfindlay | eightyeight: that is respectable |
| 17:09.41 | TodPunk | I like XML only because it's roughly equivalent to JSON, used everywhere, and can be parsed very quickly and easily with schema exactness. JSON Schema needs some help. |
| 17:09.46 | Jayce^ | I typoed... cuneiform |
| 17:10.01 | Jayce^ | you know old inscriptions in clay |
| 17:10.06 | Jayce^ | still better than XML |
| 17:10.18 | eightyeight | ah. i was thinking thas was some sort of new hawtness in markdown |
| 17:10.59 | TodPunk | markdown also needs help |
| 17:11.11 | jfindlay | so does rst |
| 17:11.43 | jfindlay | every time I have to do something with rst, I look up the docs and hope I get all the `__``-+` correct |
| 17:11.47 | TodPunk | "Oh, it's so easy, just use markdown" Yeah, how the hell do I include an image inline in your silly flavor? What's bold, and why is it not what every other bold is? Can I just make an indented paragraph? No? |
| 17:12.00 | TodPunk | RST is special |
| 17:12.37 | jfindlay | TodPunk: rst is better because of that, even with it's arcana |
| 17:13.03 | jfindlay | still prefers LaTeX for any document markup |
| 17:13.53 | Jayce^ | in code documentation.... :p |
| 17:14.23 | TodPunk | LaTeX, for when you want a thing to be beautiful, but only to you |
| 17:14.35 | SunSparc | lol |
| 17:15.13 | Jayce^ | for when you spend hours trying to find out why your layout is off by one pixel |
| 17:15.39 | RyanE | for the OCD in everyone. |
| 17:16.39 | Jayce^ | when cross-browser css just isn't painful enough |
| 17:17.01 | jfindlay | maybe I'm an expert because I don't have those problems anymore |
| 17:17.18 | Jayce^ | I use it rarely enough that I have to basically re-learn each time |
| 17:17.28 | jfindlay | it's probably because I did 8 years of homework assignments in LaTeX |
| 17:17.40 | Jayce^ | and even worse, I'm usually editing somebody elses.. |
| 17:18.34 | fozzmoo | ~highfive TodPunk |
| 17:18.46 | TodPunk | returns the high five |
| 17:21.38 | unum | hmmm I was under the impression that HIPIAA affected non-medical companies |
| 17:21.54 | unum | that it pretty much applied to anyone who was storing social security numbers |
| 17:22.03 | unum | but looking it up now, that seems to not be the case |
| 17:22.18 | fozzmoo | Hungry hungry HIPAA |
| 17:22.22 | Jayce^ | correct, it does not apply outside of health industry.. |
| 17:22.34 | Jayce^ | and no, PCI does not cover SSN's |
| 17:23.00 | unum | I guess we really just need to pick better 401k management companies.... |
| 17:23.22 | unum | and probably accounting companies |
| 17:23.33 | TodPunk | I'm not aware of any regulations regarding SSNs |
| 17:24.47 | Jayce^ | IIRC there is some HR standard about that for employers.. |
| 17:25.05 | unum | I don't know why it never occurred to me before, but spreadsheets full of social security numbers, birthdates, names, and addresses are mailed around regularly |
| 17:25.52 | TodPunk | there is no regulation, there may be HR standards, but there is no regulation |
| 17:26.10 | Jayce^ | yeah, that's why you create your own corporate policies about stuff like that |
| 17:26.16 | TodPunk | Hey guys, I have a joke |
| 17:26.16 | Jayce^ | and then you can use PCI to fix it.. |
| 17:26.22 | TodPunk | The ACM |
| 17:26.26 | TodPunk | AHAHAHAHAHA |
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| 17:36.35 | knine | Is this a good time to let Jayce^ know that I am now free of PCI? FREEEEEEEE!!!! |
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| 17:48.45 | eightyeight | https://medium.com/@rhuber/imagemagick-is-on-fire-cve-2016-3714-379faf762247#.k45j7eoma |
| 17:52.28 | jfindlay | stupid hipstergrammers making logos for CVEs |
| 17:52.45 | RyanE | and naming things. |
| 17:52.56 | RyanE | should just leave it a number, like Stallman intended. |
| 17:53.14 | jfindlay | totally |
| 18:06.45 | eightyeight | https://www.imagemagick.org/discourse-server/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=29588#p132726 |
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| 18:23.35 | frostyfrog | You mean you don't like Viper or Heartbleed? |
| 18:23.48 | frostyfrog | ;p |
| 18:40.30 | TodPunk | I'm constantly amazed at the hackings of internet of things nonsense (and yes, I'm aware of the internet of shit twitter) |
| 18:41.08 | joshh | the IoT is basically a security armageddon |
| 18:41.08 | eightyeight | <3 @internetofshit |
| 18:41.20 | joshh | imagine all the stuff that will never get firmware updates, or will brick if it does, etc |
| 18:41.25 | TodPunk | I'd suspect it a very business-as-usual thing from typical embedded devs at a lot of places, like car part manufacturers and kickstarters |
| 18:41.34 | eightyeight | joshh: right? like... YOUR SHOES! |
| 18:42.01 | TodPunk | but you hear of crazy stupidity like Samsung hacks and you think "wait, don't they have anyone that thinks about this stuff at all?" |
| 18:42.13 | joshh | blame the product people |
| 18:42.14 | eightyeight | wait. what's this? https://twitter.com/internetofshit/status/726784834010533888 |
| 18:42.16 | joshh | and execs |
| 18:42.41 | eightyeight | updating your shoes, as one does |
| 18:42.48 | TodPunk | eightyeight: reaching, those just need charging for the lights. |
| 18:43.06 | TodPunk | I get that's not as funny |
| 18:43.26 | eightyeight | in _that_ photo, sure. but, you know, logging your steps, direction, speed, ... |
| 18:43.35 | eightyeight | if the former, why not the latter? |
| 19:20.36 | Migs | some boy kissed my daughter on the cheek over the weekend and now they're texting each other about it. Better put a stop to that right away. |
| 19:20.43 | Migs | Him: "if I kissed you again would you be mad at me." Her: "No way" |
| 19:20.48 | Migs | they're both 13 |
| 19:21.53 | Migs | stupid kids |
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| 19:22.57 | SunSparc | Time for a man in the middle attack and some forged text messages. |
| 19:24.01 | joshh | im so glad my daughter is only 8 |
| 19:24.02 | eightyeight | Migs: you should shoot a gun at your daughter's phone |
| 19:24.08 | eightyeight | put a couple holes in it |
| 19:24.29 | joshh | although the other day, during a tv show where some character said the word "sex" she said "daddy what's sex" and i totally just panicked and told her she would find out when she was older |
| 19:24.40 | joshh | i don't know how to deal with this |
| 19:24.48 | joshh | also im pretty sure she has talked about it at school already |
| 19:24.55 | eightyeight | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl1ujzRidmU |
| 19:25.14 | Migs | My 13 year-old just barely got out of an anorexia treatment center where she's been for 6 months. She's still in a fragile state. |
| 19:25.17 | SunSparc | "Go ask your mom" |
| 19:25.22 | Migs | She told us she was feeling "boy crazy" being in there with nothing but girls all the time |
| 19:25.45 | fozzmoo | Migs: Did the time in the center do her some good? |
| 19:25.50 | joshh | anorexic at 13? |
| 19:25.51 | SunSparc | Boy crazy? That is a scary thought for a daddy to hear. |
| 19:25.56 | joshh | mother of god |
| 19:26.02 | Migs | anorexic at 12, actually |
| 19:26.21 | joshh | huh, wasn't aware it happened at that age |
| 19:26.28 | fozzmoo | I have a niece who has struggled with eating disorders also. |
| 19:26.29 | joshh | but im ignorant about many things |
| 19:26.30 | Migs | the youngest patients they had were 10 or 11 |
| 19:28.15 | SunSparc | Sad |
| 19:28.26 | Migs | so how do I stop this punk kid from making goo-goo eyes at my baby girl? |
| 19:28.57 | joshh | nothign short of a shotgun aimed at my face would have stopped me at that age |
| 19:29.00 | joshh | so i don't know |
| 19:29.17 | joshh | but let me know what you figure out |
| 19:29.43 | Migs | well wtf |
| 19:29.52 | Migs | how do parents do this?! |
| 19:29.59 | joshh | poorly i think |
| 19:30.28 | Migs | we don't want to do anything that'll make her just be sneakier about it. We're trying to be all open so she talks to us about this boy, which she has been |
| 19:30.57 | joshh | is she educated about such things? |
| 19:31.20 | Migs | they're both homeschooled and it's apparent they spend too much time texting all day |
| 19:31.30 | joshh | you could try showing her the blue waffles pic as a warning of what happens when you kiss too much |
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| 19:47.44 | *** topic/#utah is Utah related discussion including user groups | logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | See also ##lds |
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| 19:47.46 | Migs | I don't expect to win. But he'll be so scared to go anywhere near her by the end of it all, which is really all I want to accomplish. |
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| 19:47.53 | jlp_znc | I mean him kissing her with her permission, not you charging him with assault with her permission. |
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| 19:51.41 | SunSparc | Kids (and adults) should have a sense of propriety. That concept seems to have been lost for quite a while now. |
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| 19:54.18 | jlp_znc | so the question is... do you want to stop them from experimenting with the kissing? or do you want them to stop telling you about it (and doing it where other people can see) |
| 19:57.14 | SunSparc | Yep |
| 19:57.50 | Migs | No, we gave her rules that she's not allowed to kiss anymore |
| 19:57.51 | SunSparc | Scare tactics only have temporary results. |
| 19:57.57 | Migs | not until she's older |
| 19:58.07 | jlp_znc | maybe explain to her how it's all fun and games now, and then the rabbit has to die. |
| 19:58.26 | jlp_znc | little girls love rabbits |
| 19:58.41 | Migs | in fact, we told her BEFORE he kissed her that we didn't want her kissing anyone. But this was a case where he kissed her, in a game of Truth or Dare. |
| 19:59.16 | Migs | and it was just on the cheek, but we all know that's just a slippery slope to being a white trash teenage welfare octomom |
| 20:00.09 | RyanE | I think the best advice is to not take child raising advice from #Utah. :) |
| 20:00.35 | SunSparc | Might be helpful to explain the male perspective on relationships: the only end goal is sex. Though she might not understand at this age. |
| 20:00.53 | RyanE | "hmmm. That *does* sound fun." |
| 20:00.56 | RyanE | heh |
| 20:00.59 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:01.12 | SunSparc | RyanE: lol |
| 20:02.00 | SunSparc | What do I do? Oh, I give child rasing advice on IRC while my code is compiling. |
| 20:03.31 | jfindlay | ~nacho |
| 20:03.31 | infobot | NACHOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooo....! |
| 20:04.24 | RyanE | more a hobby, really. |
| 20:10.51 | Migs | yeah, I don't think telling a 13 year-old girl that boys only want to have sex with them is enough incentive |
| 20:11.25 | SunSparc | While delusions of romance dance in their heads... |
| 20:13.20 | unum | I actually remember hering a 13 year old girl say that once |
| 20:13.26 | unum | back when I was 13 |
| 20:13.33 | unum | I think I'm facebook friends with her now.... |
| 20:13.47 | romanovic | I don't look forward to that age... my daughter as a toddler is so much fun, but often rebellious as well. The only conversation I feel like having: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkmGLBQX6Cg |
| 20:14.42 | SunSparc | lol! |
| 20:14.46 | SunSparc | Perfect |
| 20:16.30 | unum | my 8 year old is still at the boys are gross stage |
| 20:16.46 | unum | when ever I kiss my wife she shouts "gross" and looks away |
| 20:18.04 | jlp_znc | my 22 year old says the same thing |
| 20:18.10 | jlp_znc | (just kidding) |
| 20:18.30 | SunSparc | As long as your wife does not do the same thing. ;) |
| 20:28.53 | Migs | I miss them when they were toddlers |
| 20:37.41 | Migs | ~kronk |
| 20:37.41 | infobot | Knock it down, are you kidding me, this is hand carved mahogany. |
| 20:41.00 | manithree | http://www.badideatshirts.com/GUNS-DONT-KILL-PEOPLE-DADS-WITH-PRETTY-DAUGHTERS-KILL-PEOPLE-T-SHIRT-P2198.aspx |
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| 20:57.33 | Migs | ~kronk |
| 20:57.34 | infobot | Well, I had a great time; let's not wait till the next family reunion to get back together. |
| 20:57.45 | Migs | ~whalenuke |
| 20:57.52 | Migs | ~whalenuke manithree |
| 20:57.52 | infobot | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around manithree with his mind powers. |
| 20:58.12 | jlp_znc | did you know infobot was female? |
| 20:58.20 | Migs | Not until now |
| 20:58.31 | Migs | ~whaleslap jlp_znc |
| 20:58.31 | infobot | ACTION beats jlp_znc upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 20:58.33 | jlp_znc | learn something new every day |
| 20:58.43 | jlp_znc | ~lart Migs |
| 20:58.43 | infobot | beats Migs into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy |
| 20:58.49 | Migs | ~lart infobot |
| 20:58.49 | infobot | readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at migs |
| 20:58.53 | jlp_znc | wow, infobot doesn't mess around |
| 20:58.58 | jlp_znc | heh |
| 20:58.59 | Migs | ~lart josephscott |
| 20:58.59 | infobot | gives josephscott a good seeing to |
| 20:59.21 | josephscott | ~defend me |
| 20:59.21 | infobot | ACTION jumps in front of josephscott, taking all insults, violence and anything else negative thrown toward josephscott so that josephscott may live on in peace and quiet |
| 21:00.04 | jlp_znc | ~middleman |
| 21:00.04 | infobot | I never wear tights. |
| 21:00.20 | jlp_znc | ~cat |
| 21:00.20 | infobot | hmm... cat is officially used to concatenate files. cat is also used to display the contents of a file on screen. Syntax: cat (file1) (file2) ...(fileN) Where file1 through fileN are the files to display. Example: cat letters/from-mdw displays the file letters/from-mdw. or a clawed walking stomach that meows, or http://www.linux-on-line.net/downloads/fun/humorous-plus/beware_of_dogs.jpg |
| 21:00.24 | jlp_znc | hmmm |
| 21:00.28 | jlp_znc | ~thecat |
| 21:00.28 | infobot | Too slow, chicken marengo! Too slow for this cat. |
| 21:00.34 | jlp_znc | there we go |
| 21:01.10 | jlp_znc | ~thecat |
| 21:01.10 | infobot | Damn! I look good! |
| 21:04.58 | RyanE | ~thecat |
| 21:04.59 | infobot | No, mine! The fish is mine! |
| 21:05.10 | RyanE | i'm gonna eat you little fishie... |
| 21:05.32 | jlp_znc | How am I lookin' now? Goooood! |
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| 22:02.34 | TodPunk | ~sacrifice jlp_znc |
| 22:02.34 | infobot | ACTION sacrifices jlp_znc on an altar of Windows EULAs soaked in the blood of Perl. |
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| 22:07.31 | jlp_znc | aieeeeeee |
| 22:07.49 | jlp_znc | wait, Perl blood? yummy! |
| 22:09.10 | RyanE | as long as Perl is dead, I'm good with it. |
| 22:25.29 | voldemortensen | if perl is dead I'm kind of out of a job... |
| 22:26.56 | joshh | perl isn't dead, but if it's all your good at these days, you could be unhireable soon, if not already |
| 22:27.24 | joshh | any company starting up these days has zero perl |
| 22:27.26 | TodPunk | Yeah.... I'd definitely pick up a different language/skill |
| 22:28.06 | fadein | Perl isn't even asynchronous! |
| 22:28.09 | TodPunk | This isn't like the COBOL decline. If you're a Perl dude and only a Perl dude, you're looking at competing with the kinds of people that are only Perl dudes |
| 22:28.11 | joshh | maybe perl will be the fortran/cobol of the next few generations |
| 22:28.26 | TodPunk | with COBOL you were never that prevalent to begin with |
| 22:28.48 | voldemortensen | Its not all that I'm good with, but its pretty much all I do with my current job. |
| 22:29.01 | joshh | ya, there are definitely a ton of old perl wizards out there who could probably impress the few interviewers that need them |
| 22:30.21 | joshh | python replaced perl, and go is replacing python for many uses |
| 22:30.46 | TodPunk | No, no it is not |
| 22:30.58 | TodPunk | Go is replacing python for some very specific niche uses |
| 22:31.35 | TodPunk | It's adoption is not as big as the hype |
| 22:31.48 | TodPunk | Maybe someday, but it will be slow going |
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| 22:43.34 | programmerq | I've seen more than a few historically python shops switch to go almost across the board. |
| 22:43.42 | programmerq | but yeah, python is still very strong |
| 22:44.06 | programmerq | needs to learn go still |
| 22:44.47 | joshh | go is replacing python here for all services, the only python left will be random infra/admin scripts and similar |
| 22:45.05 | joshh | at least for backend only stuff |
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| 22:46.11 | programmerq | supposedly a very early implementation of docker was done in python, but they switched to go. |
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