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| 03:55.22 | maquis | jlp_znc: we are looking to add powerline ethernet with a second router, since we have a spare router lying around... and we may hook the roku and/or firetv up via a hard connection instead of wifi... because yes, our place is large enough that I think our router is just not able to reach everywhere well. |
| 03:59.14 | maquis | on a totally different note: is there *any* way to turn off touchpad scrolling in xterm? I'm not seeing it in google, but I could be missing something. my touchpad is kind of touchy, and when I'm typing in vim, if it isn't a brand new terminal, it has a tendency to scroll back to whatever I was doing before I opened vim, and it's super annoying. |
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| 13:31.18 | eightyeight | https://pthree.org/2016/04/22/opera-vpns-and-security/ |
| 14:02.56 | jlp_znc | maquis: http://www.webupd8.org/2009/11/ubuntu-automatically-disable-touchpad.html not specific to xterm, but might solve your problem. |
| 14:39.43 | Migs | https://i.imgur.com/6yf2sx4.jpg |
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| 15:24.02 | jlp_znc | Migs: I'm not sure I want to know what body part that is. No, I take it back. I'm sure I do not want to know. |
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| 16:00.38 | TodPunk | jlp_znc: that is a back |
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| 16:23.25 | eightyeight | vim > emacs: https://twitter.com/jwatte/status/723245175724613632 |
| 16:28.27 | jlp_znc | la la la la (sticks fingers in ears) |
| 16:31.05 | jlp_znc | eightyeight: actually, according to that graph, vim < emacs (and << Atom) |
| 16:36.49 | eightyeight | in latencies, yes |
| 16:36.59 | eightyeight | 13b05u04t 07n08o03t 09i10n 11a02w12e06s13o05m04e07n08e03s09s |
| 16:37.45 | TodPunk | Bad graph is bad |
| 16:38.14 | TodPunk | "Oh no, Atom has 50 times the draw latency of GVim!" |
| 16:38.20 | TodPunk | So uh... what's the latency? |
| 16:38.23 | TodPunk | "50 ms" |
| 16:38.24 | jlp_znc | hmmm, you can implement "vi-mode" in emacs. can you implement "emacs-mode" in vim? |
| 16:38.25 | TodPunk | .... |
| 16:38.28 | jlp_znc | I didn't think so. |
| 16:38.55 | eightyeight | actually, i wasn't familiar with atom before that tweet |
| 16:38.59 | eightyeight | but that's not important |
| 16:39.00 | eightyeight | because vim |
| 16:39.05 | eightyeight | everything else sucks |
| 16:39.08 | TodPunk | teach the dogma |
| 16:39.11 | eightyeight | :) |
| 16:39.20 | jlp_znc | ed ftw |
| 16:39.37 | jlp_znc | who needs those hippy groovy visual editors? |
| 16:39.48 | TodPunk | I note a lack of Visual Studio on the graph |
| 16:39.50 | eightyeight | real programmers use cat |
| 16:39.52 | jlp_znc | waves hands in air |
| 16:40.19 | jlp_znc | https://xkcd.com/378/ |
| 16:40.23 | eightyeight | :) |
| 16:40.35 | eightyeight | has all the xkcd memorized |
| 16:40.42 | TodPunk | This does highlight the common and often overlooked issue of draw latency in productivity, though. How often are we waiting 10s of milliseconds to type the next character while waiting for the previous one to draw? Think of all the hours we could have saved over the years |
| 16:40.55 | eightyeight | there's the "youtube guy", and the "meme guy". then there's me, the "xkcd guy" |
| 16:41.44 | eightyeight | goes back to commenting on techdirt |
| 16:42.07 | TodPunk | better trolling success there? |
| 16:42.58 | eightyeight | you know, i've been learning the Black Magic that is awk(1), and haven't gotten quite good at it |
| 16:43.12 | eightyeight | then i learned that GNU grep(1) is like a bajillion times faster at searching |
| 16:43.26 | eightyeight | all the nanoseconds i could have saved using "grep foo | awk ..." |
| 16:43.54 | eightyeight | just can't. OCD. "grep | awk" is just too redundant to live with. saving kittens, and stuff |
| 16:43.54 | TodPunk | Oh, that's right, you're a sysadmin |
| 16:44.27 | TodPunk | when you were talking about editors I thought you were a programmer and thus the conversation mattered for some reason |
| 16:44.51 | jfindlay | `grep -E` ftw |
| 16:46.49 | eightyeight | TodPunk: well, i can hold my own with Python, nodejs, a less Perl and C |
| 16:46.56 | eightyeight | but yeah, the day-to-day is administration, not development |
| 16:47.17 | eightyeight | but when i devel, it's vim(1). nothing else matters. |
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| 16:47.41 | fadein | eightyeight: amen! |
| 16:47.41 | Migs | http://sphcst.com/r6jg5 http://sphcst.com/78nzx http://sphcst.com/wynfh http://sphcst.com/dcc0a |
| 16:47.47 | Migs | no idea where this is, but my girls would love that |
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| 17:01.03 | jlp_znc | mine would not. |
| 17:01.21 | jlp_znc | my daughter would probably start convulsing almost immediately upon entering that room. |
| 17:01.43 | jlp_znc | projectile vomiting would then commence. |
| 17:02.29 | RyanE | my eyes! |
| 17:02.35 | RyanE | pink overload |
| 17:09.59 | SunSparc | ~pink |
| 17:09.59 | infobot | rumour has it, pink is a color resulting from a mixture of the colors red and white. |
| 17:10.45 | youtah | OMG seriously? |
| 17:10.48 | youtah | I |
| 17:10.48 | eightyeight | my daughter would also hate it |
| 17:11.00 | youtah | I'll bet Aerosmith lives there |
| 17:11.11 | eightyeight | however, if it was filled with "How to train your dragon" characters, she's probably sieze due to excitement |
| 17:23.46 | unum | my daughters love pink |
| 17:33.17 | youtah | Trying out the new Ubuntu LTS 16.04 |
| 17:33.25 | eightyeight | i'm sorry |
| 17:33.43 | youtah | lol |
| 17:33.45 | youtah | why? |
| 17:33.55 | youtah | it's in a VM.. I dont like it? I throw it away |
| 17:35.11 | joshh | http://www.su-tesla.space/2016/04/gentoo-tesla-t2-edition.html |
| 17:37.02 | eightyeight | youtah: unity. canonical. snappy. lot's of reasons. |
| 17:37.19 | eightyeight | although, they are shipping ZoL (or last i checked. haven't actually verified) |
| 17:37.25 | eightyeight | looks at his mirror |
| 17:38.00 | youtah | always checking himself out in the mirror |
| 17:38.18 | eightyeight | http://mirrors.xmission.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/z/zfs-linux/ |
| 17:38.20 | eightyeight | looks like they are shipping it after all |
| 17:40.30 | youtah | They should put Ubuntu in the Tesla |
| 17:40.53 | youtah | melt down in 3... 2... 1... |
| 17:42.17 | youtah | no comment from eightyeight |
| 17:42.18 | youtah | :( |
| 17:42.30 | eightyeight | heh |
| 17:42.37 | youtah | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_SlAzsXa7E << great song and awesome awesome awesome video |
| 17:42.38 | eightyeight | i was just reading the gentoo-in-tesla post |
| 17:42.54 | youtah | they should put 10.04 in it |
| 17:42.56 | eightyeight | brings the term 'ricing' to a whole new level |
| 17:43.01 | youtah | lol |
| 17:43.31 | eightyeight | "my car goes faster because i self-compiled with the correct emerge flags!!!" |
| 17:44.15 | eightyeight | i remember when gentoo was relevant back in like 2002. heh |
| 17:49.07 | RyanE | good times |
| 17:49.23 | RyanE | of course, now is 'better times', but whatever. |
| 17:50.51 | youtah | dang, this song is so freaking catchy |
| 17:54.43 | youtah | Holy $#%@ |
| 17:54.55 | youtah | Ohios AG and several others found dead execution style |
| 17:54.59 | youtah | http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/multiple-bodies-found-small-ohio-town-officials-n560491 |
| 17:55.24 | youtah | Oh |
| 17:55.25 | youtah | nm |
| 17:55.35 | youtah | That was the quote FROM the Ohio AG |
| 17:55.54 | youtah | Stupid NBC nightly news's tweet |
| 18:13.02 | Migs | wtf |
| 18:13.12 | youtah | but still |
| 18:19.48 | programmerq | youtah: last I heard the tesla model S was running on an ubuntu base |
| 18:19.52 | programmerq | just an old one |
| 18:21.06 | youtah | thats what it looked like in the screen shot at the beginning of the article too |
| 18:30.58 | klys | I woke up for lunch with a new tune in my head: |
| 18:31.00 | klys | O deliv'rance is nigh! Deliv'rance is nigh Rise above! Rise above! |
| 18:41.10 | jlp_znc | http://www.gocomics.com/bloom-county/2015/08/21 |
| 18:51.29 | spangborn | https://youtu.be/nWZMPxFdc1A |
| 18:51.41 | spangborn | Dying. |
| 18:52.04 | youtah | That was so this morning spangborn |
| 18:55.39 | manithree | Does anybody know if snap packages do or will install on other (non-debian/ubuntu) systems? |
| 19:00.30 | Migs | https://media.giphy.com/media/l3V0rzxrqI17KJR9C/giphy.gif |
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| 19:03.31 | jsmith | manithree: Not that I'm aware of |
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| 19:18.42 | keldwud | sup Utah |
| 19:21.06 | Migs | sup2u |
| 19:21.56 | keldwud | I failed my salt certification test |
| 19:24.32 | keldwud | anybody looking for work or interested in a job downtown SLC? I work on a pretty fun team and we have a position that needs to be filled. |
| 19:25.28 | jsmith | My new employer is hiring 1000 developers this year... |
| 19:26.21 | spangborn | jsmith: That kind of growth seems a bit unsustainable. |
| 19:26.30 | spangborn | keldwud: What sort of work? |
| 19:27.07 | jsmith | spangborn: Well, the majority of that is replacing outsourced developers, so it is sustainable :-) |
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| 19:30.11 | spangborn | Oh, so they'll be working with outsource quality code? ;p |
| 19:33.58 | klys | jsmith, hey what languages do you need to know for that |
| 19:43.34 | jlp_znc | jsmith: what company is that? |
| 19:46.13 | jsmith | klys: Go, NodeJS, Angular, Java, Python... we run the whole gamut |
| 19:46.21 | jsmith | jlp_znc: Capital One :-) |
| 19:46.26 | jsmith | jlp_znc: (What's in your wallet?) |
| 19:46.28 | jlp_znc | ugh |
| 19:46.49 | jlp_znc | :-) |
| 19:46.54 | jlp_znc | no offense |
| 19:47.25 | jlp_znc | you're not based in San Angelo, TX, are you? |
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| 20:03.49 | Migs | keldwud: What kind of job? |
| 20:05.07 | SunSparc | ~Go++ |
| 20:05.18 | SunSparc | ~karma go |
| 20:05.18 | infobot | go has karma of 2 |
| 20:05.23 | SunSparc | ~karma golang |
| 20:05.23 | infobot | golang has neutral karma |
| 20:05.37 | jlp_znc | ~karma python |
| 20:05.37 | infobot | python has karma of 29 |
| 20:05.49 | jlp_znc | ~karma perl |
| 20:05.49 | infobot | perl has karma of 1 |
| 20:05.52 | jlp_znc | hah |
| 20:06.18 | jlp_znc | ~karma ruby |
| 20:06.18 | infobot | ruby has karma of 11 |
| 20:07.24 | frostyfrog | ~karma c |
| 20:07.24 | infobot | c has karma of 10 |
| 20:07.36 | frostyfrog | Hmm... |
| 20:07.37 | jlp_znc | ~karma c++ |
| 20:07.37 | infobot | c++ has karma of -1 |
| 20:07.41 | jlp_znc | heh |
| 20:07.48 | jlp_znc | ~karma c# |
| 20:07.48 | infobot | c# has karma of -1 |
| 20:07.51 | frostyfrog | I was just gonna ask that x3 |
| 20:08.04 | jlp_znc | ~karma awk |
| 20:08.04 | infobot | awk has karma of 3 |
| 20:08.41 | frostyfrog | ~C++++ |
| 20:11.31 | jlp_znc | aiee |
| 20:14.19 | eightyeight | ~karma eightyeight |
| 20:14.19 | infobot | eightyeight has karma of 6 |
| 20:14.27 | eightyeight | yay |
| 20:20.58 | keldwud | spangborn, Migs: I work in devops shop. any sort of admin and linux experience is what we're looking for. |
| 20:36.20 | jlp_znc | ~karma youtah |
| 20:36.20 | infobot | youtah has karma of 3 |
| 20:36.28 | jlp_znc | awww, same as awk. |
| 20:36.39 | jlp_znc | ~karma jlp_znc |
| 20:36.39 | infobot | jlp_znc has karma of 2 |
| 20:36.51 | RyanE | same karma, worse reputation. :) |
| 20:36.55 | jlp_znc | :-) |
| 20:37.07 | jlp_znc | poor youtah |
| 20:38.42 | spangborn | ~jlp_znc++ |
| 20:39.08 | jlp_znc | thanks, spangborn |
| 20:39.14 | jlp_znc | (what a guy) |
| 20:39.40 | jlp_znc | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofibNrYDjdY |
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| 20:41.46 | keldwud | spangborn: did you want to hear more or did the devops part scare you off? :) |
| 20:42.04 | spangborn | Haha, I'm definitely not devops ;p |
| 20:42.21 | keldwud | but how's your linux? |
| 20:42.24 | keldwud | that's what matters |
| 20:42.45 | spangborn | Enough to be dangerous, haha. |
| 20:43.15 | keldwud | there's a bunch of developer positions too, but I have less of a personal investment in those |
| 20:43.37 | Migs | keldwud: What's the salary like? |
| 20:43.59 | Migs | Is ~$125k doable? |
| 20:45.16 | keldwud | I'm just on the team, I wouldn't have any decision on what kind of salary is offered for the position |
| 20:45.30 | Migs | what are the hours? Flexible? |
| 20:45.31 | keldwud | but we can talk more in private if you're actually interested in hearing more |
| 20:45.52 | keldwud | my manager has been quite flexible with me as far as hours but it's generally 9-5 |
| 20:46.08 | keldwud | we do get one work from home day per week :) |
| 20:49.30 | keldwud | maybe I'll just tell my bosses that all the junior and mid-level guys aren't available and that we'll have to shoot for senior positions :) |
| 20:49.52 | Migs | tell him to throw in 90% telecommute too |
| 20:50.33 | keldwud | lol |
| 20:50.47 | keldwud | 20% telecommute isn't bad, actually. |
| 20:50.56 | keldwud | I think that's a bit above average for most places isn't it? |
| 20:51.46 | Migs | I wasn't really being serious |
| 20:51.55 | Migs | I mean, if there is a 90% telecommute job, I'd probably jump on it |
| 20:52.05 | spangborn | I get a day a week here, but it's not really something spelled out. |
| 20:52.06 | Migs | but I realize that's not entirely realistic in most cases |
| 20:52.11 | spangborn | I could take a few days if I wanted to. |
| 20:52.22 | Migs | my boss lets us work remotely, but he strongly prefers we work in office |
| 20:52.30 | Migs | there's no real limit on how often we can, though |
| 20:53.16 | spangborn | Time to go ride, methinks. |
| 20:53.29 | jlp_znc | yeah, we typically are in the office, but sometimes things happen. |
| 20:53.48 | RyanE | Migs: there certainly *is* a limit. You can't work from home more than 7 days a week. |
| 20:53.50 | keldwud | yeah, ours was formalized for our whole team |
| 20:53.55 | jlp_znc | at bluehost, I worked home one day a week, typically. saved the hour commute. |
| 20:54.05 | Migs | Not with that attitude. |
| 20:54.09 | RyanE | heh |
| 20:54.14 | jlp_znc | we've been talking about switching to a 9/80 or 8/80 schedule, too. |
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| 20:54.50 | jlp_znc | (did 9/80 at raytheon... it was pretty nice) |
| 20:55.06 | Migs | that's the other thing. I live in Ogden and have a 20 minute commute. I'm home before 4:00 every day. I really don't want to commute to SLC, especially if the hours are 9-5 |
| 20:55.15 | Migs | I'll never see my family |
| 20:55.33 | Migs | I've turned down jobs that would pay nearly twice as much mainly because of a stupidly long commute |
| 20:55.42 | keldwud | yeah, I wouldn't want to do that either |
| 20:55.51 | keldwud | I moved downtown after accepting this position |
| 20:55.56 | keldwud | and I'm *lovin* it |
| 20:55.58 | Migs | fair enough |
| 20:56.05 | Migs | I like quiet suburbs more |
| 20:56.17 | keldwud | yeah, rent is way more expensive downtown than where you're at |
| 20:56.22 | Migs | and I'm sure my family doesn't want to be uprooted |
| 20:56.46 | keldwud | I just have my 7 (almost 8) year old and she was already begging to live in a city |
| 20:56.57 | keldwud | like urban city, not like provo city |
| 20:57.01 | fozzmoo | I've spent all this week remote and it's been super productive. |
| 20:57.11 | fozzmoo | Normally, it's Tue and Thur at home. |
| 20:57.11 | jlp_znc | he he, Provo "City". |
| 20:57.12 | keldwud | fozzmoo: that happens, doesn't it. |
| 20:57.34 | keldwud | hey, I really liked provo when I lived out there. there's lots to do and they have all the amenities of a regular city |
| 20:57.40 | Migs | Downtown SLC is too "urbanized" for me, tbh |
| 20:57.43 | Migs | I hate driving there |
| 20:57.48 | jlp_znc | it's like Murray "City" |
| 20:57.50 | jlp_znc | (where I live) |
| 20:57.54 | keldwud | but you're not supposed to drive in the urban city |
| 20:57.54 | fozzmoo | I used to like SLC... but that was in the mid-90s. :) |
| 20:57.58 | keldwud | you walk or take a bike or the bus |
| 20:58.04 | fozzmoo | What keldwud said. |
| 20:58.08 | Migs | the only times I'm in SLC is when I have a car |
| 20:58.09 | keldwud | fozzmoo: OMG CROSSROADS in the mid-90's! |
| 20:58.14 | fozzmoo | keldwud: :-D |
| 20:58.16 | Migs | obviously if I lived there, I'd walk around |
| 20:58.20 | keldwud | hi-fives fozzmoo |
| 20:58.28 | Migs | I did used to work downtown, and I took the bus from Ogden every day |
| 20:58.29 | Migs | I loved that |
| 20:58.46 | keldwud | Migs: was it one of those express buses that only runs during commute times? |
| 20:58.50 | Migs | yeah |
| 20:58.50 | fozzmoo | I used to live downtown and work in Sandy. |
| 20:59.00 | Migs | this was, like, 17 years ago |
| 20:59.06 | fozzmoo | It wasn't a bad commute because it was against the flow morning and afternoon. |
| 20:59.12 | Migs | I just napped |
| 20:59.29 | RyanE | "Highland City". |
| 20:59.42 | RyanE | since like '75. |
| 20:59.48 | jlp_znc | exactly |
| 21:00.12 | RyanE | for Highland, a trip into the city might *mean* Provo. :) |
| 21:02.08 | keldwud | RyanE: inorite? that's how it was for me growing up in pleasant grove |
| 21:02.14 | keldwud | take a trip to university mall |
| 21:02.26 | RyanE | yep. I grew up in Spanish Fork, and that was definitely "the city" |
| 21:02.42 | RyanE | and University Mall was where it was at. |
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| 21:05.37 | romanovic | people have different requirements for their definition of "city." I asked my wife if she would mind moving to a smaller city or town some day, she told me she would only accept "cities" that have good chinese food, electronics stores, a major movie theatre, a costco, and a craft store. |
| 21:05.58 | RyanE | and a Tchotchkie's. |
| 21:06.23 | RyanE | dang. Spelled it wrong. |
| 21:06.36 | RyanE | and a Chotchkie's. |
| 21:07.09 | keldwud | good chinese food == urban |
| 21:07.24 | RyanE | == urban, non-slc. :) |
| 21:07.45 | romanovic | yes. some sort of dining establishment that's better than fast food, but not so snooty that people look down their nose when you bring the kids in. |
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| 21:23.35 | TodPunk | youtah: for serious, you had to troll with that, eh? |
| 21:26.08 | unum | I often take the train when I go downtown |
| 21:26.15 | unum | I'll probably do that tomorrow |
| 21:26.27 | unum | I don't find it bad driving downtown |
| 21:26.37 | unum | just park at one of the malls and walk/take the train |
| 21:38.11 | youtah | lol what did I do TodPunk? |
| 21:38.13 | youtah | the vaccine one? |
| 21:38.35 | youtah | there are a CRAP ton of die hard anti vaxxers pro onguard and deep blue in that group |
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| 21:48.51 | TodPunk | youtah: what the hell is pro onguard and deep blue? |
| 21:49.04 | TodPunk | and yes, the vaccine one obviously |
| 21:49.10 | youtah | DoTerra oil thingies |
| 21:49.26 | TodPunk | holy hell |
| 21:50.14 | youtah | lol |
| 21:56.35 | TodPunk | I had a brief but civil debate with a dude on Lehi Link about banning retail pet sales |
| 21:56.45 | TodPunk | It's been a weird Friday |
| 21:57.16 | youtah | lol |
| 21:59.47 | keldwud | omg |
| 21:59.59 | keldwud | sickest burn I've seen in a while. shower thought on reddit |
| 22:00.02 | keldwud | "The leather jacket I've been wearing for 10 years has been worn longer by me than the cow that it came from." |
| 22:00.12 | keldwud | top comment: |
| 22:00.15 | keldwud | "Does your mother commonly wear your leather jackets before giving them to you?" |
| 22:01.02 | TodPunk | ouch |
| 22:01.59 | youtah | lol |
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| 22:24.30 | youtah | The quantity of people I know being thrown into Facebook Jail has been rather alarming |
| 22:24.39 | youtah | the rate has been increasing |
| 22:24.52 | youtah | It seems I know someone on almost a weekly basis that gets thrown into Facebook Jail |
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| 22:31.29 | spangborn | Weeeeee. https://www.strava.com/activities/553711196 |
| 22:31.41 | spangborn | That's mostly for keldwud. |
| 22:31.52 | youtah | Isn't Strava a sugar replacement company? |
| 22:32.42 | spangborn | That's Stevia |
| 22:33.00 | youtah | oh |
| 22:33.01 | youtah | lol |
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| 22:54.39 | TodPunk | youtah: what is Facebook Jail? |
| 23:02.11 | TodPunk | apparently if you comment/like too much at once that's bad |
| 23:02.14 | TodPunk | I'm shocked |
| 23:02.27 | TodPunk | (I am not, in fact, shocked) |
| 23:19.31 | youtah | no |
| 23:19.40 | youtah | If you do something that is super contraversial |
| 23:20.01 | youtah | such as photoshopping Mark Zuckerbergs face to an image of a pig and the uploading it, and someone reports it or Facebook sees it |
| 23:20.05 | youtah | they will put you in jail |
| 23:20.18 | youtah | knows a guy who got his account suspended for that |
| 23:20.38 | youtah | a lady I know today told a senator on his Facebook page that she thought he was a corrupt liar |
| 23:20.47 | youtah | he reported it and Facebook suspended her account |
| 23:21.11 | youtah | In order to get it reactivated, she had to scan and email proof of identification to get it reactivated |
| 23:21.23 | youtah | and then they made her go over the terms of agreement all over again |
| 23:21.38 | youtah | Facebook is no longer the wild wild west |
| 23:29.55 | RyanE | sounds more like the fascist west |
| 23:39.47 | youtah | RyanE, I think we're the only ones left |
| 23:39.52 | youtah | the rest of them.... |
| 23:40.12 | youtah | "they're dead jim" |
| 23:41.48 | youtah | I didn't realize how many times he said it... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH7KYmGnj40 |
| 23:46.22 | RyanE | yeah, 60's sci-fi was a very dangerous place to be an extra. |
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