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| 15:24.36 | spangborn | I hate that greeting. |
| 15:28.48 | shalkie | But Nachos spangborn, yummy yummy Nachos! |
| 15:28.50 | shalkie | :) |
| 15:28.56 | shalkie | Morning everyone! |
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| 15:34.12 | programmerq | it should do the greeting like 1/5 times |
| 15:36.45 | RyanE | or a random 1-5 times |
| 15:37.19 | frostyfrog | Good morning! ãã¯ããããããã¾ãï¼ |
| 15:40.25 | spangborn | This video seems oddly scripted. https://twitter.com/BenWinslow/status/722810286944550913 |
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| 16:13.30 | jlp_znc | spangborn: so delete it |
| 16:13.46 | spangborn | jlp_znc: If I knew how, I would ;p |
| 16:21.02 | jlp_znc | ~+help onjoin |
| 16:21.34 | jlp_znc | ~onjoin |
| 16:21.49 | jlp_znc | ~onjoin youtah |
| 16:21.49 | infobot | onjoin for youtah set by jfindlay on Tue Mar 15 09:54:45 2016: the nacho bar is down the hall to the right |
| 16:22.06 | jlp_znc | ~onjoin -youtah |
| 16:22.07 | infobot | jlp_znc: ok |
| 16:22.10 | jlp_znc | done |
| 16:22.30 | shalkie | ~weather SLC |
| 16:22.50 | jlp_znc | try KSLC? |
| 16:22.56 | shalkie | ~weather KSLC |
| 16:23.11 | shalkie | Hmmm... |
| 16:24.03 | shalkie | ~weather KBMC |
| 16:24.11 | jlp_znc | ~weather 72572 |
| 16:24.17 | jlp_znc | borked |
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| 16:25.25 | jlp_znc | try http://w1.weather.gov/obhistory/KSLC.html instead |
| 16:26.08 | jlp_znc | looks like the weather module needs to be updated... the siteloc.shtml is now apparently siteloc.php (ugh) |
| 16:26.20 | jlp_znc | who's running this infobot, anyway? TimRiker? |
| 16:26.33 | jlp_znc | ~infobot |
| 16:26.34 | infobot | infobot is, like, A program on the IRC that helps users, ask it to do something by putting a ~ and then say a command! |
| 16:29.46 | shalkie | ~traceroute google.com |
| 16:29.46 | infobot | traceroute to google.com (google.com), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets |
| 16:34.18 | jlp_znc | egad, Tim Riker's home page is a blast straight out of the 90s! (http://rikers.org/) |
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| 16:36.57 | jlp_znc | ~seen TimRiker |
| 16:37.01 | infobot | timriker <~TimRiker@bzflag/projectlead/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel ##kierra, 59d 11h 10m 46s ago, saying: 'not sure what happened. one of purl's connections dropped and it didn't detect it. old net::irc perl code. could use a rewrite someday. :/ cya.'. |
| 16:37.13 | TodPunk | I like it |
| 16:53.53 | Migs | http://i.imgur.com/GNwpRuG.gifv |
| 16:59.20 | programmerq | nice |
| 16:59.30 | jlp_znc | Migs: :-) |
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| 17:35.12 | fozzmoo | http://i.imgur.com/GNwpRuG.gifv |
| 17:35.22 | fozzmoo | Oh. Migs already beat me to it. |
| 17:35.54 | TodPunk | fail! |
| 17:36.39 | SunSparc | ~slow fozzmoo |
| 17:36.39 | infobot | ACTION attaches a ball and chain to fozzmoo |
| 17:39.48 | frostyfrog | I would have loved to see yesterday's presentation. :( |
| 17:39.59 | frostyfrog | at PLUG that is. |
| 17:40.53 | fozzmoo | I hope someone got video of it. I would have, but I am out of town ATM. |
| 18:06.22 | unum | fozzmoo: ya ya we've all seen your facebook photos quit rubbing it in ;) |
| 18:13.07 | unum | https://secureutah.github.io/utahwatch/media.html |
| 18:17.19 | frostyfrog | Facebook photos? What? There are photos? |
| 18:18.28 | spangborn | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqSvM7jvZzE |
| 18:18.32 | spangborn | ~title |
| 18:20.28 | fozzmoo | unum: :) |
| 18:20.50 | fozzmoo | frostyfrog: I'm in Southern California this week, working remotely. |
| 18:21.04 | fozzmoo | I've been spending some time by the pool, etc. as I work. |
| 18:21.58 | joshh | fozzmoo: where at down there |
| 18:22.59 | fozzmoo | I'm in Costa Mesa. |
| 18:23.23 | frostyfrog | Sounds like a lot of fun! :) |
| 18:23.24 | fozzmoo | (probably the only area of CA that's safe for Republicans) |
| 18:24.02 | joshh | lol, most of OC and san diego are safe, not to mention all the inland stuff |
| 18:24.04 | programmerq | california is a big place |
| 18:24.19 | fozzmoo | Sorry. Southern CA |
| 18:24.36 | fozzmoo | I have a friend who lives in West Hollywood. I've visited a few times. |
| 18:24.38 | joshh | just don't talk about politics with anyone, and enjoy the good life |
| 18:24.43 | fozzmoo | It's a very different world. :) |
| 18:25.40 | joshh | after getting used to ca it's very tough to imagine going back to utah |
| 18:25.43 | programmerq | I served my mission in southern california. there were tons of pockets of conservatives. |
| 18:25.47 | joshh | though there is certainly stuff i miss there |
| 18:26.47 | joshh | i basically miss xmission, apollo burger, cheap houses, the mountains, and family/friends |
| 18:27.23 | fozzmoo | joshh: Whereabouts are you? |
| 18:27.46 | joshh | in sf |
| 18:27.50 | goozbach | joshh: I miss cheap houses too |
| 18:27.55 | goozbach | GA -> UT |
| 18:28.01 | voldemortensen | programmerq: I had the same experience in socal. Well, mostly central. |
| 18:28.01 | fozzmoo | Oh boy. I'd probably burst into flames. |
| 18:28.15 | joshh | fozzmoo: you'd be surprised at the amount of libertarians here |
| 18:28.32 | joshh | but the local politics panders to the louder progressives over them |
| 18:28.43 | fozzmoo | I have a friend who moved from Tooele to SF. |
| 18:28.53 | programmerq | SF is a very different place. |
| 18:28.57 | fozzmoo | He loves the area, but I don't think he's too political. |
| 18:28.58 | programmerq | I visit there frequently for work. |
| 18:29.00 | joshh | personally i've become almost apolitical here |
| 18:29.28 | joshh | i just never think about it, there's too much other stuff to care about and do |
| 18:36.59 | joshh | but if there is some really dumb overly-liberal proposal getting traction or something, i'll hear about it and sigh, but not worry about much impact on my life |
| 18:43.32 | jlp_znc | joshh: I found it interesting that companies in south bay that had fountains in front of their buildings had to have signs saying that the fountains were supplied with "secondary" water or they would have been run out of town. |
| 18:44.08 | joshh | when the drought was bad? |
| 18:44.30 | joshh | ever since all these el nino rains nobody talks about water anymore heh |
| 18:45.38 | unum | secondary water signs also warnings about it being unclean |
| 18:46.11 | unum | s/also/are also |
| 18:46.52 | unum | joshh: you mean overly-liberal laws like having to buy alcohol from the state |
| 18:46.53 | jlp_znc | unum, suppose it could have been for that |
| 18:47.48 | unum | joshh: also I hope you enjoy the new deep water coal port we just bought for you |
| 18:48.56 | unum | it's in oakland |
| 18:49.09 | joshh | unum: most of the dumb stuff lately is either related to being way too soft on property crime or attempts to solve the housing affordability crisis that obviously make it worse |
| 18:51.41 | joshh | as far as alcohol is concerned, it's basically a wonderland |
| 18:52.33 | joshh | the coal port thing is actually not huge news here yet, but from what i have read, it's essentially guaranteed to never happen, so it's a nonissue so far |
| 18:53.02 | joshh | i have no idea what those guys in utah pushing for it were thinking |
| 18:53.28 | joshh | the port of long beach or something would probably be a lot easier politically |
| 18:54.03 | joshh | but not easy, it's just probably less environmentally activist than the other 3 big west coast port areas |
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| 19:06.55 | unum | that would be nice if we got to keep our money |
| 19:11.44 | unum | of course it the hypocracy that bothers me the most. Let's all pile on obamma for picking winners and losers by backing solar companies |
| 19:11.59 | unum | oh there's a coal company in trouble? here's a check. |
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| 19:47.49 | youtah | http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/20/hustler-responds-to-utahs-anti-porn-resolution-by-/ |
| 19:55.53 | spangborn | lmao VW |
| 19:55.57 | spangborn | $5K to each VW owner |
| 19:57.01 | Migs | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ByoGAcKXqo |
| 20:15.41 | spangborn | https://twitter.com/Bonnie_D_Ford/status/722778214297432064 |
| 20:26.44 | jlp_znc | I don't understand this whole anti-pornography law... what exactly is the "fight" they are wanting to win? |
| 20:27.55 | spangborn | It's not even a law. |
| 20:28.06 | spangborn | It serves absolutely no legal purpose right now. |
| 20:28.16 | spangborn | It's just there to make the LDS church happy. |
| 20:28.58 | jlp_znc | I guess it was a "resolution", whatever that is. |
| 20:40.05 | frostyfrog | What, you mean you've never made a New Year's Resolution? ;p (That's the only thing that I can think of that's relatable) |
| 20:40.25 | unum | the Utah legislature is very fond of resolutions |
| 20:40.42 | unum | even more so than frivilous lawsuits |
| 20:41.15 | jfindlay | you mean the utah circus |
| 20:41.17 | TodPunk | It's the legal equivalent of a government entity saying "we don't like this, even though we can't do anything about it but talk" |
| 20:43.23 | unum | there are things they could do about it. Other states have begun talking to elementary schools kids about sex and intmacy |
| 20:43.50 | unum | and there are members of the Utah legislature pushing similiar efforts here. |
| 20:44.23 | unum | it's just that republican delegates love to hear "I hate everything you hate" |
| 20:44.41 | unum | they don't seem to actually care about effective ways to deal with the issues |
| 20:45.29 | jlp_znc | http://act.credoaction.com/sign/encryption?sp_ref=188361978.4.164931.o.1.2&referring_akid=.6162717.KRNxMV&source=clickcopy_sp |
| 20:45.58 | jlp_znc | apparently, some senators want to make encryption easily bypassable |
| 20:46.21 | TodPunk | it's not "republican delegates" it's "human people" |
| 20:48.52 | frostyfrog | ^ |
| 20:49.20 | frostyfrog | Some humans just happen to be smarter about getting change to happen than others. |
| 20:50.45 | unum | I guess with Sanders it's bankers that people love to hate |
| 20:51.04 | unum | With Hillary it's....... |
| 20:51.30 | unum | hm guess I haven't listened enough to her to know who it is her supports hate |
| 20:52.51 | TodPunk | It's not always hate, it's the "us vs them" mentality. Hating is often signaling for who "us" is and how "us" is going to improve. Hillary's supporters are much more about how "us" is going to be better than how "they" are going to get theirs. |
| 20:53.01 | TodPunk | This is because she's not a populist |
| 20:53.17 | TodPunk | majorities hate things |
| 20:54.32 | unum | that's probably a good way to define populism |
| 21:01.50 | youtah | unum, hillary doesn't like people without money |
| 21:01.58 | jlp_znc | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f69PnAUwv-E |
| 21:03.22 | unum | youtah: I don't think she uses that to bond with her voters |
| 21:04.04 | youtah | hot sauce |
| 21:04.07 | youtah | in her purse |
| 21:05.19 | TodPunk | Is that what the kids call it these days? |
| 21:09.55 | unum | it seems all of the state conventions are this saturday |
| 21:10.02 | unum | super dell will probably get kicked |
| 21:11.36 | youtah | TodPunk did you not see the Hot Sauce fiasco? |
| 21:11.48 | TodPunk | I don't follow politics |
| 21:14.04 | unum | I guess I missed it as well |
| 21:14.08 | unum | and I do follow politics |
| 21:14.39 | youtah | http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/04/hillary-clinton-pandering-radio/479004/ |
| 21:15.43 | TodPunk | I do love me some chilis |
| 21:15.51 | TodPunk | chilies? |
| 21:15.57 | TodPunk | Chilies |
| 21:17.30 | youtah | who doesn't, right? |
| 21:17.32 | youtah | my dad |
| 21:17.40 | youtah | he thinks black pepper is too spicy |
| 21:17.48 | unum | I had a friend who caried dave's insanity sauce in his back pack |
| 21:18.04 | jlp_znc | wait, there is some connotation between hot sauce and black people? |
| 21:18.08 | jlp_znc | what? |
| 21:18.18 | youtah | apparently |
| 21:18.19 | unum | I didn't know that either |
| 21:18.21 | youtah | I didnt know either |
| 21:18.26 | jlp_znc | the fine article states it as a "well known fact" |
| 21:18.29 | youtah | it also has to do with a Beyonce song too |
| 21:18.39 | unum | but the other two examples I did know were considered offensive |
| 21:18.47 | youtah | ditto |
| 21:18.58 | youtah | I was totally baffled until I saw the actual video of their reactions |
| 21:19.00 | unum | of course here you pander by pointing out how LDS you are |
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| 21:19.28 | jlp_znc | the fried chicken and watermellon ones, yeah, I knew about those, but hot sauce? |
| 21:19.34 | unum | some politicians are more discreet. Using mormon phrases from scripture on ceremonies |
| 21:19.53 | jlp_znc | hell, I might have some hot sauce in my backpack right now! (actually, I think I used it last time I had leftover tacos for lunch) |
| 21:20.18 | unum | s/on/or |
| 21:20.59 | youtah | they then try to talk her into going into a strip club |
| 21:21.15 | youtah | There was a hot sauce place in park city |
| 21:21.19 | jlp_znc | you mean like, how, when the federal government says "hey, Utah, here's B$71 to help your poor people get health care" the state says "nah, 'we have sufficient for our needs'"? |
| 21:21.34 | youtah | right across from the ice cream place that sells the chocolate. I used to go in and taste test hto sauces at their bar |
| 21:21.37 | RyanE | youtah: why would I think you're not my friend anymore? :) |
| 21:21.56 | youtah | RyanE, because Luxul got bought out |
| 21:21.59 | RyanE | and what did SuperDell do now? Throw hotsauce at an endangered Owl? |
| 21:22.09 | RyanE | youtah: I kinda wish we'd bought Luxul. |
| 21:22.14 | youtah | pretty much |
| 21:22.16 | RyanE | but that's not the official company policy. :) |
| 21:22.22 | youtah | lol |
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| 21:22.42 | jlp_znc | oh, superdell... what's his thing with owls, anyway? |
| 21:22.59 | youtah | he gets a kick out of them |
| 21:23.00 | jlp_znc | goes through life not quite getting it |
| 21:23.00 | RyanE | an owl killed his parents in a dark alleyway |
| 21:23.03 | jlp_znc | heh |
| 21:23.12 | fozzmoo | He gets a hoot out of them. |
| 21:23.17 | unum | jlp_znc: exactly |
| 21:23.20 | RyanE | by kicking them |
| 21:23.22 | jlp_znc | and when he asked "why" it just said "who?" |
| 21:23.22 | RyanE | hoot! |
| 21:23.26 | youtah | where's jima? (we're talking about owls again) |
| 21:23.28 | RyanE | give a hoot, don't pollute |
| 21:23.55 | youtah | Super Dell tends to fly by the seat of his pants |
| 21:24.02 | jlp_znc | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApFB-GylZNQ |
| 21:24.09 | unum | RyanE: he filed for governor on the IAB ticket |
| 21:24.21 | unum | IAP |
| 21:24.22 | fozzmoo | IAP? |
| 21:24.25 | unum | ya |
| 21:24.26 | fozzmoo | Right. |
| 21:24.40 | youtah | what is IAP? |
| 21:24.42 | jlp_znc | IPA |
| 21:24.43 | fozzmoo | Because GOP isn't right-leaning enough. |
| 21:24.47 | youtah | a new country store? |
| 21:24.51 | unum | Independent American PArty |
| 21:24.52 | jlp_znc | it's some kind of beer, I think |
| 21:25.00 | unum | and fozzmoo's definition is a good one |
| 21:25.06 | youtah | Beer you put on your crops |
| 21:25.18 | jlp_znc | it's what plants crave |
| 21:25.25 | youtah | its got electrolites |
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| 21:25.31 | unum | of course the constitunalist and libertarian parties have the same tag line :) |
| 21:25.34 | keldwud | sup guys! |
| 21:25.42 | keldwud | grand america is awesome! |
| 21:25.43 | RyanE | "The Evil I could tolerate"... |
| 21:25.49 | unum | welcome back keldwud |
| 21:25.54 | fozzmoo | Well, libertarian is libertarian, not right-wing |
| 21:26.00 | youtah | keldwud... where's the nacho party? |
| 21:26.03 | keldwud | wait, super dell is still a topic of discussion these days? |
| 21:26.05 | fozzmoo | But constitution, I would agree with you. |
| 21:26.05 | keldwud | youtah: ummm... |
| 21:26.06 | unum | ...but the owl puns I just could handle |
| 21:26.09 | keldwud | I suck at planning? |
| 21:26.33 | unum | I guess the IAP thought about merging with the constitionalist, but voted against it |
| 21:26.46 | youtah | planning parties are nacho best trait keldwud? |
| 21:27.01 | keldwud | ouch |
| 21:27.06 | fozzmoo | I voted for the Constitution Party candidate for US Senate in 2012. |
| 21:27.10 | youtah | nacho cup of tea? |
| 21:27.14 | keldwud | youtah++ (reluctantly) |
| 21:27.18 | fozzmoo | only because pashdown didn't make it to the general election. |
| 21:27.35 | youtah | is going to write in pashdown for President |
| 21:27.54 | keldwud | is it just me and findlay at saltconf? |
| 21:28.00 | pashdown | dictator please |
| 21:28.08 | youtah | roger |
| 21:28.18 | keldwud | pashdown: when you say dictator please, all I can think of is Charlie Chaplin |
| 21:28.29 | jlp_znc | I think keldwud found out that you can't serve food in your suite unless you buy it from the hotel, and their "nacho plate" cost $800 |
| 21:28.29 | pashdown | i have to watch that |
| 21:28.32 | keldwud | jlp_znc: pretty much, yeah. |
| 21:28.40 | keldwud | I brought microwavable food with me to the hotel |
| 21:28.46 | keldwud | turns out there is no microwave but I can rent one |
| 21:28.50 | jlp_znc | heh |
| 21:29.01 | fozzmoo | keldwud: There's a Maverick down the street, :) |
| 21:29.01 | keldwud | or I can eat a $10 package of chocolate dipped oreo cookies |
| 21:29.05 | youtah | pashdown if Trump asked you to be his VP, would you do it? |
| 21:29.08 | keldwud | at 390 calories per serving |
| 21:29.10 | jlp_znc | it's an upscale hotel, you know, that means that you get no services without paying mucho dollarinies for them |
| 21:29.12 | keldwud | 2 servings per package |
| 21:29.17 | keldwud | I totally didn't do that at 3am |
| 21:29.24 | jlp_znc | check out the price of the pop in the machine down the hall, for an example. |
| 21:29.32 | keldwud | the beer in the minibar was cheaper than the cookies |
| 21:29.49 | youtah | has accidentally set off the smoke detectors at the Grand America |
| 21:30.03 | keldwud | pashdown: have you watched any chaplin movies? my favorites are the kid and modern times |
| 21:30.07 | jlp_znc | I remember my wife and I on our honeymoon (at the sheraton downtown)... we ordered a couple of cokes from room service. |
| 21:30.10 | jlp_znc | heh heh |
| 21:30.21 | jlp_znc | two four ounce bottles, $12. |
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| 21:30.30 | jlp_znc | and this was in 1985 |
| 21:30.37 | pashdown | keldwud, not for a long while |
| 21:30.42 | jlp_znc | we still joke about our six dollar cokes |
| 21:30.47 | youtah | was doing a pyrotechnics show off the roof, and we asked them to shut off the air intake to the building. Well, lets just say they didnt do that, and when we shot the show, it pumped the smoke into the building |
| 21:30.52 | jlp_znc | and we carry a 12-pack with us when we go places now. |
| 21:31.23 | keldwud | are you guys using salt yet over at xmission? |
| 21:31.32 | pashdown | we have been for about 5 years now |
| 21:31.38 | keldwud | niiiice |
| 21:32.41 | keldwud | wait, so how come pashdown didn't make it this year? you made it past the first gate a few years ago. what was different this time? |
| 21:32.59 | pashdown | i have to file to run first |
| 21:33.18 | keldwud | oh, you never filed |
| 21:33.25 | youtah | will donate $30 to pashdown if he runs for President... and will throw in a free portrait |
| 21:33.27 | pashdown | i really wanted to run for mayor, but some personal problems prevented that |
| 21:33.57 | spangborn | youtah: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9IYyIrGcv0 |
| 21:33.58 | keldwud | I think you'd run a pretty strong chance at mayor, looking at our last three and current |
| 21:34.03 | jlp_znc | and I'll throw in a plate of (non-Grand America) nachos |
| 21:34.16 | keldwud | not that I'm comparing you to them! |
| 21:34.27 | spangborn | I still have a shirt from pashdown's first campaign :) |
| 21:34.40 | keldwud | spangborn: that's OG |
| 21:34.48 | keldwud | does it get you free drinks anywhere? |
| 21:34.51 | youtah | spangborn what am I watching |
| 21:34.57 | spangborn | youtah: Something you'll love |
| 21:34.59 | spangborn | (or hate) |
| 21:35.04 | spangborn | keldwud: I wish. |
| 21:35.12 | spangborn | It was pre-pashdown beard, so I doubt it. |
| 21:35.12 | pashdown | keldwud, yes the slate was pretty disappointing to me as well as the new mayor's performance so far |
| 21:35.39 | spangborn | I'd like to see pashdown as major and rip out those awful bike lanes. |
| 21:35.48 | keldwud | spangborn :>-[ |
| 21:35.50 | keldwud | whoops |
| 21:35.57 | keldwud | >:-[ |
| 21:36.09 | spangborn | Haha, what? |
| 21:36.10 | keldwud | <3 bikes and pedestrian friendly streets |
| 21:36.12 | spangborn | They're poorly designed. |
| 21:36.17 | spangborn | There were much better options. |
| 21:36.23 | keldwud | oooh, not that you want them gone |
| 21:36.25 | keldwud | I misunderstood |
| 21:36.35 | pashdown | did you see the story about how they're not up to fire code? |
| 21:36.36 | youtah | keldwud the bike lanes make it more dangerous for bikes |
| 21:36.37 | pashdown | OOOPS |
| 21:36.38 | spangborn | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaTfzqM7d24 |
| 21:36.39 | keldwud | thought you wanted them gone because they got in the way of the all important automobile |
| 21:36.54 | spangborn | Oh no. I cycle more downtown than I drive :) |
| 21:36.55 | keldwud | wait, bike lanes have fire codes? |
| 21:36.58 | spangborn | They're just unsafe. |
| 21:37.08 | pashdown | ironically, i was in cuba a week ago, and they use center median for bikes/walkers and it works really nicely. damn commies. |
| 21:37.19 | pashdown | keldwud, no but buildings do, they can't get the ladders to the buildings |
| 21:37.36 | pashdown | let me see if i can find the article |
| 21:37.40 | spangborn | Watch that video, drivers don't look when they cross the lane to turn onto streets or driveways |
| 21:38.00 | keldwud | spangborn: watched it, that guy was hauling! |
| 21:38.18 | spangborn | Haha, the cyclist or the car? |
| 21:38.23 | spangborn | (I'm the cyclist) |
| 21:38.23 | keldwud | the cyclist! |
| 21:38.31 | keldwud | yeah, you were goin super fast! |
| 21:38.38 | youtah | keldwud, and having all of the parked cars lining the road, essentially create a massive wall that prevents the bikers from seeing the cars. So at driveways/entries, it makes it difficult to see. Look at Red Rock for example |
| 21:38.40 | keldwud | that's 2nd west, I kind of liked that design |
| 21:38.44 | pashdown | http://kutv.com/news/local/major-slc-street-in-violation-of-fire-code |
| 21:39.01 | youtah | keldwud, 2nd west is the horrible design we're talking about |
| 21:39.01 | keldwud | and I don't really think there is any bike lane solution that can handle cars not looking for anything except other cars. it's a cultural problem |
| 21:39.18 | keldwud | they also have that design over on 3rd east |
| 21:39.20 | youtah | it literally creates a wall, you cannot see past the cars as a cyclist |
| 21:39.38 | spangborn | IMO, a painted lane is better than the current design |
| 21:39.45 | youtah | ditto |
| 21:39.48 | spangborn | At least forces drivers to see me. |
| 21:40.02 | keldwud | I like the painted lanes and the signs saying "bikes may use full lane" |
| 21:40.11 | spangborn | I don't often ride in the 200 W/300 S bike lanes for that reason. I ride with the cars instead. |
| 21:40.32 | youtah | as a driver, I hated pulling into the parking lot on 2nd west, because I had to stop and slowly look around the cars, to make sure there were no cyclists coming, then do the same thing again for the side walk, and then into the parking lot |
| 21:40.35 | spangborn | And yeah, I average about 17mph on the bike. |
| 21:40.35 | keldwud | because that helps address the root cause, the way most people perceive it, it kind of enforces a change in thinking "roads are only for cars" |
| 21:40.53 | spangborn | keldwud: Oh, I had a woman try to run me off the road on 300 W and told me that. |
| 21:41.00 | spangborn | I wasâ¦. not happy. |
| 21:41.20 | spangborn | I'd link the video, but I'm somewhat ashamed of the profanity I used. |
| 21:41.37 | youtah | it helps prove the point? |
| 21:41.57 | youtah | i mean, it is your life at risk here |
| 21:42.02 | spangborn | Drivers have issues with the 3-foot law here. |
| 21:42.23 | youtah | we need bicycle tubes everywhere |
| 21:42.28 | spangborn | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrEAGK6Z-Oc |
| 21:42.30 | keldwud | yeah, it's hard to not use profanities when people threaten my life just because they have a car and I don't |
| 21:42.31 | spangborn | There's one such driver. |
| 21:42.46 | spangborn | And some language, I apologize |
| 21:43.07 | spangborn | That driver started to dial 911. I wanted her to call so I could turn the video over on the spot. |
| 21:43.16 | keldwud | it's not that they don't care about the 3 foot rule, it's that they feel you are violating their rights and feel justified in the use of force |
| 21:43.30 | keldwud | they honestly feel justified in what they do |
| 21:43.34 | keldwud | that's the scary part |
| 21:43.54 | keldwud | man! how do you go so fast!? |
| 21:44.15 | spangborn | I'm on a road bike, haha. |
| 21:45.18 | keldwud | spangborn: if only we had enough bike commuters where we could all have a buddy at all times |
| 21:45.25 | keldwud | riding in twos makes it much safer, imho |
| 21:45.30 | keldwud | like when riding motorcycles |
| 21:45.30 | spangborn | Agreed. |
| 21:45.34 | spangborn | That video was with a buddy, though. |
| 21:45.37 | spangborn | She came even closer to him |
| 21:45.48 | keldwud | people like her get my blood boiling |
| 21:45.54 | keldwud | anyway, time to go to my next class! |
| 21:45.58 | spangborn | I also love people like this, who can't stay inside the lines: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaihI4AusNY |
| 21:45.59 | keldwud | break time is over |
| 21:49.15 | RyanE | I don't have trouble sharing the road with bikes. It's those damn unicyclists who ruin it for everyone! |
| 21:49.38 | spangborn | Haha. I know a few unicyclists, in all seriousness |
| 21:49.47 | RyanE | yeah, but not *road* unicyclists. |
| 21:49.48 | RyanE | :) |
| 21:50.35 | spangborn | Have you seen the time trial unicycles? |
| 21:50.35 | pashdown | http://pashdown.org/greenway.jpg |
| 21:50.59 | spangborn | Actually a thing. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/38/db/2f/38db2fce40e5081b5d30e7022265b306.jpg |
| 21:51.13 | jlp_znc | spangborn: did you give that video to the cops? |
| 21:51.16 | spangborn | pashdown: I'd like to see that implemented and tested somewhere. |
| 21:51.24 | spangborn | jlp_znc: Yep. Murray PD happily took it. |
| 21:51.33 | spangborn | SLCPD on the other hand, wouldn't take my worse one |
| 21:51.43 | jlp_znc | good for Murray |
| 21:51.47 | spangborn | They gave me an incredible runaround just to get a report written, and I gave up. |
| 21:51.49 | jlp_znc | now, did they do anything about it? |
| 21:51.50 | pashdown | 5http://www.tasteofcuba.com/cuba11.jpg |
| 21:51.55 | *** join/#utah youtah (~Jeff@50.243.6.92) |
| 21:51.57 | pashdown | remove the 5 |
| 21:52.00 | youtah | The hard part about it jlp_znc is that the video doesnt clearly catch who the drive was |
| 21:52.07 | spangborn | I'm not sure, but I'd imagine if that driver has an incident later, it'll be used |
| 21:52.12 | RyanE | that greenway is nice, but why is there a woman with a *stroller* on the bike lanes? |
| 21:52.16 | pashdown | http://www.point2cuba.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/800px-Paseo_de_la_quinta_avenida.jpg |
| 21:52.22 | spangborn | youtah: That one does. I aimed the camera at her ;) |
| 21:52.42 | youtah | i tried looking, the wide angle made it difficult to clearly see her |
| 21:52.46 | jlp_znc | need some kind of anti-wobble post processing for when you start out... made me a little sick |
| 21:52.47 | spangborn | I should just post the worse one. |
| 21:52.54 | youtah | granted I was looking at a youtube version |
| 21:52.57 | spangborn | jlp_znc: That's also Youtube's compression. Yuck. |
| 21:53.03 | pashdown | i calculated that given the width of slc streets, you could have a 10' wide bike line, two lanes of traffic on either side, and 45 degree parking on the curbs |
| 21:53.24 | spangborn | pashdown: I believe 10' is exactly what most of Jordan River Parkway is, too |
| 21:53.39 | RyanE | I'd vote for anyone who would put dedicated bike lanes on the frontage roads over the point of the mountain. |
| 21:54.02 | youtah | they're working on it RyanE |
| 21:54.11 | RyanE | I wondered, it looks like the roadway is plenty wide. |
| 21:54.22 | spangborn | Here's the worse one: https://youtu.be/2eYmpK4fwCU |
| 21:54.22 | youtah | it is where the old rail road track used to be |
| 21:54.39 | spangborn | I censored my profanity, and it wasn't the brightest move to chase her down, but I was pissed. |
| 21:55.43 | spangborn | I ride with a GoPro pretty much for this reason. |
| 21:56.02 | *** part/#utah manithree (~blr@li4-76.members.linode.com) |
| 21:56.59 | youtah | did you turn it in? |
| 21:57.06 | youtah | I sure hope you did |
| 21:57.08 | spangborn | Attempted to. |
| 21:57.15 | spangborn | SLCPD wouldn't take it. |
| 21:57.20 | RyanE | youtah: I don't see bike lanes on any of "The Point" plans on UDOT... |
| 21:57.32 | jlp_znc | call the news. |
| 21:57.48 | spangborn | I called their non-dispatch line, they told me they'd send someone (to West Jordan) to pick it up. |
| 21:57.52 | jlp_znc | "SLCPD doesn't want to enforce the laws." sounds newsworthy to me |
| 21:57.54 | spangborn | I said that was a little unnecessary, and that I'd drop it off. |
| 21:58.11 | spangborn | They told me where to drop it off. They told me they wouldn't take the report, to fill it out online. |
| 21:58.24 | spangborn | Filled it out online, they rejected it. |
| 21:58.26 | youtah | You can see it in Google View RyanE |
| 21:58.27 | youtah | https://www.google.com/maps/@40.4713876,-111.9071168,528m/data=!3m1!1e3 |
| 21:58.39 | youtah | "Point of the Mountain Trail" |
| 21:58.52 | spangborn | I don't have a lot of confidence in SLCPD, honestly. |
| 21:59.03 | spangborn | Especially now that Burbank is gone. |
| 21:59.07 | youtah | My friend is a Sargaent with the SLCPD |
| 21:59.13 | spangborn | (Thanks, Becker) |
| 21:59.21 | youtah | we could chat with him |
| 21:59.38 | spangborn | I ended up talking to another officer off the record, and they said they likely wouldn't do anything about it. |
| 21:59.44 | spangborn | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 21:59.45 | unum | when did they finish that |
| 21:59.55 | unum | last time I rode out there it dead end at geneva rock |
| 21:59.56 | jlp_znc | again, channel 2 |
| 22:00.01 | youtah | it is completely finished and tied to the Porter Rockwell trail in SL County |
| 22:00.12 | youtah | but Lehi/UT County needs to finish their stretch |
| 22:00.37 | RyanE | youtah: nice. |
| 22:00.42 | TodPunk | To be fair, bikers aren't exactly a priority group |
| 22:00.44 | RyanE | I was looking on the other side of the freeway. |
| 22:00.47 | youtah | It turns into a dirt pad here: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.4522089,-111.9122712,201m/data=!3m1!1e3 |
| 22:00.51 | TodPunk | pardon me, cyclists |
| 22:00.55 | spangborn | Whoa, there's a bike lane there. |
| 22:01.00 | spangborn | Gotta go check that out sometime |
| 22:01.09 | RyanE | me too. |
| 22:01.09 | unum | actually looks like it still does |
| 22:01.11 | youtah | and then you cut down onto the frontage road here https://www.google.com/maps/@40.4499899,-111.9100363,155a,57.9y,5.49t/data=!3m1!1e3 |
| 22:01.14 | RyanE | with a car to back my slow butt up. |
| 22:01.25 | spangborn | I'll ride Jordan River Parkway down to Utah Lake, but I've never been that far east in UTco |
| 22:01.30 | RyanE | I'm not a fan of road driving, I'm too slow. |
| 22:01.42 | unum | I live by the port rockwell trail |
| 22:01.42 | spangborn | Hahaha. |
| 22:01.47 | RyanE | I dig the Murdock Canal Trail, I'm less likely to get run over. |
| 22:01.52 | unum | so I rode it out there |
| 22:02.02 | unum | but I guess I got confused when I got to the dirt path |
| 22:02.03 | youtah | that's what they're looking to connect it to RyanE |
| 22:02.13 | RyanE | yeah, I can see down by the Adobe bldg. |
| 22:02.22 | youtah | it should be awesome when it's done |
| 22:02.25 | RyanE | indeed. |
| 22:02.28 | spangborn | I guess I need to go ride that now,t oo |
| 22:02.29 | youtah | downside, is that there is a crap ton of gravel on it |
| 22:02.35 | youtah | where the trucks pass |
| 22:03.13 | spangborn | Oh, I've ridden some of that before. |
| 22:03.14 | RyanE | youtah: you can still be my friend. You just made my day, although I don't know if I'll actually *use* it. :) |
| 22:03.16 | youtah | For example, here: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.46249,-111.9134568,3a,54.1y,95.32h,84.02t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgthvo00o6EEY9d6dIhIUfw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 |
| 22:03.27 | youtah | lol, you're welcome RyanE |
| 22:03.27 | spangborn | But only to like 114th? |
| 22:04.03 | youtah | spangborn, I need to show you the South Flight Park by my house. It has AWESOME views for photography |
| 22:04.10 | TodPunk | is wondering how to get his 16 year old to college in a year and a half |
| 22:04.26 | TodPunk | Maybe the Lehi Station? |
| 22:04.45 | spangborn | UVU? |
| 22:05.01 | RyanE | Once it hits the Porter Rockwell, it's going the wrong way for me (at Bangerter) |
| 22:05.01 | TodPunk | probably |
| 22:05.03 | RyanE | but still, nice |
| 22:05.07 | spangborn | No bus? |
| 22:05.11 | TodPunk | I don't know of any other colleges that will take a GED student |
| 22:05.19 | youtah | SLCC |
| 22:05.25 | TodPunk | The bus trip is an hour and a half + |
| 22:05.33 | TodPunk | vs 25 minutes drive |
| 22:05.36 | spangborn | Lehi station to UVU via bus? |
| 22:05.41 | youtah | can you get her a $500 car? |
| 22:05.49 | spangborn | I'd assume there's a bus that goes that way. |
| 22:05.54 | TodPunk | him, and yes, but then insurance and such |
| 22:05.57 | spangborn | But given that it's UTA, I could also be dead wrong. |
| 22:07.07 | unum | which college? |
| 22:07.16 | TodPunk | UVU most likely |
| 22:07.27 | unum | from where? |
| 22:07.27 | TodPunk | we live east of the Adobe building |
| 22:07.33 | unum | take the express |
| 22:07.41 | TodPunk | I don't even know what that is |
| 22:07.49 | unum | there's a bus that stops west of the adobe building and goes to uvu |
| 22:07.50 | unum | 811 |
| 22:07.54 | unum | I took it to openwest |
| 22:07.58 | unum | one year |
| 22:08.01 | TodPunk | ah |
| 22:08.10 | unum | two years ago I avoid driving as much as possible |
| 22:08.22 | unum | it does stop running early, I had to take front runner back |
| 22:10.20 | TodPunk | UTA trip planner advises frontrunner |
| 22:10.25 | jlp_znc | because, you know, UTA |
| 22:10.29 | unum | the jordan river trail doesn't cross point of the mountain? |
| 22:11.13 | jlp_znc | "hey, let's run a bus from here to the front runner station... we'll run it once per hour, 30 minutes offset from the time the train runs. and we'll have it sit at the station for ten minutes. yeah. that's what we want!" |
| 22:11.26 | jlp_znc | is talking about the 218 during the day |
| 22:11.57 | youtah | I have this song stuck in my head |
| 22:11.59 | youtah | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1c2KzJbcGA |
| 22:12.00 | jlp_znc | during rush hour, the 218 and FR both run every half hour, but rush hour starts and ends at peculiar times |
| 22:12.19 | jlp_znc | thanks, youtah, now it's stuck in all our heads |
| 22:12.22 | TodPunk | See, this is why cyclists are viewed as unimportant: we don't have competent public transport, so cars are going to be first-class citizens, and public transport second. cyclists are going to be less than pedestrians. |
| 22:12.41 | TodPunk | Until you elevate public transport (HA!) to the point it's more common, then cars are the bottom rung |
| 22:12.53 | TodPunk | see: seattle, boston, etc |
| 22:13.01 | youtah | I like this idea TodPunk |
| 22:13.17 | unum | commie |
| 22:13.35 | TodPunk | The problem here is we span a hell of a lot more space and for some reason hate urban development |
| 22:13.45 | TodPunk | except keldwud |
| 22:13.54 | TodPunk | He's the only Utahan that loves it |
| 22:14.09 | youtah | lol |
| 22:14.22 | SunSparc | TodPunk: Just send her to an online university. :) |
| 22:14.26 | RyanE | I'd love to see some of those non-3-footers try and drive in some cities in China, where cars are significantly outnumbered. |
| 22:14.27 | TodPunk | Him |
| 22:14.35 | SunSparc | lol |
| 22:14.43 | SunSparc | Does he need to go to college? |
| 22:14.46 | TodPunk | and no, if I'm paying for it at all, it's going to be cheap as hell |
| 22:14.53 | TodPunk | Maybe |
| 22:15.03 | spangborn | unum: It does, but it's not all fully connected yet. |
| 22:15.05 | TodPunk | if he's getting his GED, he probably SHOULD unless he's way more competent a programmer |
| 22:15.14 | spangborn | unum: You have to ride Redwood for a bit |
| 22:15.17 | TodPunk | He's got a bit over a year to accomplish that |
| 22:15.51 | SunSparc | TodPunk: What kind of occupation does he want? |
| 22:15.51 | unum | I need to run for city council so the prison site ends up being a nice place |
| 22:16.16 | TodPunk | At the moment he wants to write videogames |
| 22:16.20 | spangborn | I bet it ends up being home to at least 3 LDS wardhouses |
| 22:16.26 | TodPunk | I'm slowly informing him of the realities of this problem |
| 22:16.32 | unum | spangborn: probably |
| 22:16.40 | unum | though a bunch of it is supposed to be office space |
| 22:17.00 | spangborn | I personally think it should be a prison. |
| 22:17.05 | spangborn | But that's just me. |
| 22:17.17 | SunSparc | Haha, might kids have wanted to write video games forever, but have shown no programming initiative whatsoever. They might just get to be road workers. |
| 22:18.05 | TodPunk | He wrote a small platformer in processing the other afternoon to practice collision detection stuff |
| 22:18.24 | SunSparc | Well that is certainly something. |
| 22:18.49 | TodPunk | He'll be fine as far as that goes, but useless as far as a worker in the space without a degree and some industry tie-ins (I have those just fine, but he'll make no salary worth having unless he gets into graphics or engine programming) |
| 22:19.13 | TodPunk | Plus he's going to need ot be ready for crunch out the wazooo |
| 22:19.25 | RyanE | i hate it when I crunch out the wazoo. |
| 22:19.33 | TodPunk | 60 hour work weeks seem to not be his thing |
| 22:19.35 | SunSparc | lol |
| 22:19.47 | RyanE | probably should eat more fiber |
| 22:19.48 | unum | spangborn: that's because you live in salt lake and not draper |
| 22:19.50 | unum | :) |
| 22:19.50 | SunSparc | 60 hour work weeks are not my thing either. |
| 22:19.55 | RyanE | nor mine |
| 22:20.04 | spangborn | Prison was there first ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 22:20.33 | SunSparc | I got me a job with flexible hours and no crunches outside of business hours. |
| 22:20.41 | TodPunk | Ditto |
| 22:20.46 | SunSparc | :) |
| 22:20.48 | unum | spangborn: nope, it wasn't. It was in sugarhouse first |
| 22:20.48 | TodPunk | this is why I didn't go into games in the first place |
| 22:20.53 | SunSparc | Leave crunches in the gym. |
| 22:21.05 | spangborn | I mean "first" in the sense that it was there before all the Draper development. |
| 22:21.07 | SunSparc | Yeah games is a tough industry. |
| 22:21.35 | TodPunk | spangborn: convenient at the time, but needs to move for the same reasons it moved the first time |
| 22:21.51 | TodPunk | don't ignore history and sound city planning just because you want to fight change |
| 22:22.13 | spangborn | Because nothing says "sound city planning" like building around a prison |
| 22:22.14 | TodPunk | not that anyone can, really, change just happens |
| 22:22.22 | SunSparc | ~change |
| 22:22.40 | TodPunk | Pretty sound, yeah. You don't plan what the city is going to look like 50 years from now. |
| 22:23.07 | spangborn | You also don't build next to something you don't like, and then get to bitch about it. |
| 22:23.19 | spangborn | And demand it gets moved, costing taxpayers obscene amount of money |
| 22:23.22 | SunSparc | Ooh, that bugs me when people do that |
| 22:23.47 | TodPunk | You say this, but humanity disagrees, and they kind of win |
| 22:23.48 | SunSparc | I have seen it happen. |
| 22:23.50 | spangborn | Let's face it - it's only moving because developers want it. |
| 22:24.06 | spangborn | And $$$ talks. |
| 22:24.24 | SunSparc | I say the prison goes to downtown SLC in a sky rise. |
| 22:24.26 | unum | well seeing as how we keep electing developers into office..... |
| 22:24.30 | RyanE | spangborn: where have you been? People *always* build next to what they don't like, then complain until it goes away. ALWAYS. |
| 22:24.49 | unum | a real estate developer from draper gets elected speaker of the house..... |
| 22:25.01 | RyanE | Mink Farms, Turkey Farms, Prisons, on top of old Landfills, etc. |
| 22:25.08 | unum | and everyone's suprised the prison gets moved to a city that's full of democrats |
| 22:25.09 | RyanE | and that's just off the top of my head in the last 20 years. |
| 22:25.24 | RyanE | I'd rather some more democrats get moved to prison. |
| 22:25.29 | RyanE | (and some repubs, too) |
| 22:25.44 | spangborn | If Sim Gill has his way, you might get a few more Repubs |
| 22:25.48 | unum | pretty much anyone who would identify with anything? |
| 22:26.03 | unum | shurtleff and swallow may be on their way |
| 22:26.05 | spangborn | Sup John Swallow |
| 22:27.33 | SunSparc | What do you guys think about the Sunset The Tax Code initiative? http://sunsetthetaxcode.com |
| 22:28.34 | jfindlay | cool |
| 22:28.45 | RyanE | I like the 'get rid of the complicated tax code' part. Not so happy about the 'door is opened for lawmakers to write new tax code' part. :) |
| 22:28.47 | jfindlay | most laws should have limited validity |
| 22:28.58 | SunSparc | True |
| 22:29.21 | unum | we should elect better officials :) |
| 22:29.30 | SunSparc | ~vote unum |
| 22:29.30 | infobot | ACTION stuffs unum in a ballot box |
| 22:29.32 | jlp_znc | ha ha ha |
| 22:29.47 | RyanE | I'm also against anything that takes away *my* loopholes, and not *the other guy's* loopholes. |
| 22:29.51 | jlp_znc | most law makers should have limited validity |
| 22:29.52 | RyanE | because that guy is totally cheating. |
| 22:29.54 | unum | the only reason we need camapign finance reform is because we are bad voters |
| 22:30.01 | unum | RyanE: :) |
| 22:30.20 | RyanE | your "unfair loophole" is my favorite. |
| 22:30.32 | RyanE | but when my kids all move out, go for it. :) |
| 22:30.52 | jlp_znc | law makers, and all of the laws that they proposed (assuming any were enacted) should automatically be void after N years from their election, for some small N |
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| 22:31.27 | unum | that wouldn't have much affect for us senators.... |
| 22:31.29 | RyanE | that'd certainly take care of the obsolete laws that are still on the books, like the one that says you can't put hotsauce on endangered owls on a sunday. |
| 22:31.30 | jlp_znc | if the laws were good ones, someone else can re-propose them |
| 22:31.48 | SunSparc | RyanE: OL |
| 22:31.54 | SunSparc | LOL |
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| 22:31.59 | youtah | although I do think that there are some that just dont make sense redoing |
| 22:32.05 | jlp_znc | unum: N has to be smaller for senators? |
| 22:32.13 | unum | they get elected every six years |
| 22:32.26 | SunSparc | Need more term limits. |
| 22:32.31 | unum | and hold office for longer than most of us have been alive |
| 22:32.39 | unum | I really don't think term limits will change anything |
| 22:32.45 | youtah | I used to think Term Limits was the answer |
| 22:32.45 | jlp_znc | how about N has to be the reciprocal of the number of years the law maker has been in office?, so the longer they are in office, the shorter the term limit on their laws becomes? |
| 22:32.58 | unum | I guess give more people a go at it, but it'll be from the same network |
| 22:33.34 | unum | military funding has to be renewed every year |
| 22:33.42 | unum | so it's not unprecented |
| 22:33.43 | jlp_znc | start with something reasonable, like laws are good for five years. if the lawmaker has been in office for 2 years, then all laws they propose automatically disappear after 5/2 == 2.5 years from when they were enacted |
| 22:33.45 | joshh | term limits do solve a lot |
| 22:34.03 | joshh | as long as the limit is 2 instead of 4 or 6 |
| 22:34.09 | spangborn | coughhatchcough |
| 22:34.11 | jlp_znc | all funding has to be renewed every year |
| 22:34.20 | jlp_znc | that's why the government shuts down every year |
| 22:34.30 | jlp_znc | because the law makers can't get their acts together and agree on anything. |
| 22:34.45 | joshh | because it's good vs evil |
| 22:34.53 | joshh | freedom vs communism |
| 22:34.55 | unum | joshh: exactly |
| 22:35.34 | joshh | sigh, politics |
| 22:35.35 | jlp_znc | now, your lawmaker who has been in office for 30 years (looks at some Utah senator)... any laws he proposes get 5/30 = 60 days until they go away |
| 22:35.52 | jlp_znc | problem solved |
| 22:35.57 | unum | or freedom vs corprate cronyism |
| 22:36.21 | joshh | ya i was framing it from the conservative side there |
| 22:36.21 | jlp_znc | how long was Strom Thurmond in office? |
| 22:36.38 | jlp_znc | 48 years |
| 22:36.49 | joshh | because it's usually republicans pushing for the shutdown |
| 22:37.00 | jlp_znc | his laws would have expired at 38 days! |
| 22:37.05 | jlp_znc | beautiful |
| 22:37.15 | unum | I think hatch is close to 40 |
| 22:37.25 | unum | because I think he's been in longer than I've been alive |
| 22:38.01 | RyanE | you've just been alive too long. |
| 22:38.21 | jlp_znc | yeah, he was elected in '76, I think |
| 22:38.35 | jlp_znc | because my wife was in junior high then and they all wrote letters to him. |
| 22:38.52 | jlp_znc | got back a form letter saying that the senator was "too busy to respond to any of them as they were not voters yet" |
| 22:39.43 | joshh | what did the letters say |
| 22:39.56 | unum | http://www.sltrib.com/news/3800573-155/utahs-anti-porn-resolution-leads-to-spat |
| 22:39.57 | joshh | he doesn't engage with "nutcakes" as he calls them |
| 22:40.01 | jlp_znc | mostly things like "what is your position on this issue?" for various issues |
| 22:40.50 | RyanE | Hatch was for Term Limits before he was against Term Limits. |
| 22:40.52 | unum | in case you are wondering, no one care what their state rep thinks about anytihng |
| 22:42.29 | jlp_znc | wait, overstock.com sells pornographic materials online? |
| 22:42.37 | jlp_znc | ? |
| 22:42.48 | jlp_znc | so that's where the hustler magazines are going. |
| 22:44.45 | joshh | i used to work at overstock for a while back in like 2003, and jonathan johnson was the main lawyer for them at the time, but around a lot and pretty visible, and even then seemed like a total nutcase |
| 22:45.05 | joshh | now that i've seen his governor platform, he seems even crazier |
| 22:46.15 | TodPunk | Man, pornhub should give us utahans a month of premium or something for this |
| 22:48.33 | jlp_znc | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfq3B9JvIcQ |
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| 23:36.29 | fozzmoo | joshh: Johnson came to Bluehost this last year as the head of Overstock (not so much as a politician) and talked business strategies with us. |
| 23:37.08 | fozzmoo | I was really impressed with him. He talked about changing the way customer service operated so that agents had much more leeway in what they can do, not to make the customer happy, but to give them "justice." |
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| 23:40.49 | keldwud | spangborn: that greenway in the middle that pashdown was showing, I got to use something similar in barcelona. it was pretty neat. they have a decent system for cyclists in some areas out there. granted, I only had a couple days experience with it, but it was nice and felt safe. intersections weren't *as* scary but still a little bit scary, but the cycling lanes had their own signals for when it was safe. |
| 23:41.29 | keldwud | and sometimes instead of the middle, they would have them on the sidewalks |
| 23:43.44 | keldwud | they have a bunch of different combinations of different types of bike lanes, it was pretty cool |
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