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| 16:46.48 | harleypig | In python, how do I find whether the file is a directory or a noraml file? In perl I would just do a 'if -d $file print "itsa dir!"' |
| 16:47.16 | harleypig | Searching for python file type I get a lot of answers and how to use python-magic, but that's mimetype, not system type. |
| 16:48.51 | fozzmoo | harleypig: https://docs.python.org/2/library/os.path.html |
| 16:49.05 | fozzmoo | I vaguely remember an 'isdir' method |
| 16:49.14 | fozzmoo | So, that's what I googled |
| 16:49.39 | harleypig | fozzmoo: that was it. There is a isdir and isfile method. Thanks. |
| 16:49.44 | fozzmoo | \o/ |
| 16:54.27 | jfindlay | what's the difference between a directory and a folder? |
| 16:54.59 | fozzmoo | One is used for looking up phone numbers in. The other is used to hold loose papers. |
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| 16:59.41 | TodPunk | harleypig: dunno if this is a good heads up or not, but beware symlinks |
| 17:00.06 | harleypig | TodPunk: yeah, that's true in perl too. :] |
| 17:00.16 | TodPunk | mhmmm |
| 17:00.29 | harleypig | So, the test is actually "! islink && isdir" |
| 17:02.19 | goozbach | link and dir! |
| 17:02.21 | goozbach | oh noes! |
| 17:02.31 | goozbach | thiniks he's funny when he's this tired |
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| 17:07.35 | SunSparc | Which hall? |
| 17:07.48 | goozbach | the hall |
| 17:07.59 | SunSparc | Oh, THE hall. Got it. |
| 17:08.32 | SunSparc | wonders if a nacho bar is like a snickers bar... |
| 17:08.51 | fozzmoo | Mmmmm. |
| 17:09.18 | youtah | goozbach, |
| 17:09.23 | eightyeight | http://www.sltrib.com/home/3790759-155/brewvies-set-to-sue-utah-ag |
| 17:09.29 | youtah | did you ever go inside of Brighton High School? |
| 17:09.34 | youtah | I hope they win eightyeight |
| 17:10.45 | youtah | The 1890's called and want their laws back. |
| 17:11.35 | eightyeight | you hope brewvies wins, or utah? |
| 17:11.40 | fozzmoo | Utah's liquor laws are messed up. |
| 17:11.43 | SunSparc | Speaking of giving laws back: http://sunsetthetaxcode.com |
| 17:12.26 | youtah | Brewvies |
| 17:12.38 | youtah | I hope Utah wins because Brewvies wins |
| 17:16.52 | eightyeight | ah |
| 17:17.39 | programmerq | I still haven't gone up to brewvies. I'm not interested in the alcohol, but I'm interested in the over-21 since there will be no children. |
| 17:18.26 | youtah | lol, awesome programmerq |
| 17:18.40 | jfindlay | because all children are younger than 21 :-) |
| 17:18.47 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 17:18.52 | youtah | LOL |
| 17:18.53 | youtah | So |
| 17:18.58 | RyanE | We had a company viewing of the 4th Die Hard movie there a long time ago. |
| 17:19.01 | programmerq | but at the same time, I really really like the imax theaters |
| 17:19.07 | youtah | TodPunk, did you see the dead decaying animals skull door bell ditch post? |
| 17:19.12 | programmerq | and there like 4-5 of those that are closer than brewvies |
| 17:19.36 | youtah | I mean, can't we just let adults... adult? |
| 17:19.40 | TodPunk | oh wow, no |
| 17:19.45 | youtah | lol, yeah. |
| 17:20.09 | youtah | "We were just doorbell ditched with a still decaying animal skull on our door step...not even kidding...and we're not even in the mafia...just be aware kids" |
| 17:20.34 | youtah | I'd put $10 on it that it was a male, between the ages of 8 and 81, and they're still laughing about it with their friends. |
| 17:20.41 | SunSparc | What kind of animal was it? |
| 17:20.45 | youtah | they didnt say |
| 17:20.57 | youtah | My guess would be a rodent? |
| 17:20.59 | SunSparc | Perhaps the cat dragged it in. |
| 17:21.01 | youtah | or a deer? |
| 17:21.14 | youtah | We have a crap ton of deer up here. |
| 17:21.15 | eightyeight | the latest "game" that the children play in our neighborhood is "bigger or better" |
| 17:21.18 | eightyeight | drives me crazy |
| 17:21.23 | youtah | lol |
| 17:21.31 | programmerq | what are the rules? |
| 17:21.31 | youtah | my son was playing that yesterday |
| 17:21.35 | eightyeight | "no. i don't have anything better than that broken umbrella" |
| 17:21.45 | eightyeight | "no. i don't have something bigger than a quarter" |
| 17:21.47 | programmerq | oh, that game |
| 17:21.54 | eightyeight | "GET OFF MY LAWN!!!" |
| 17:21.57 | youtah | he started with a rock, and ended up with three boxes of unopened cinnamon toast crunch |
| 17:22.00 | TodPunk | I need a clear adhesive gel for glass so I can hang up my no soliciting sign |
| 17:22.14 | TodPunk | youtah: wow, that's... amazing |
| 17:22.19 | programmerq | I think my wife told me about kids doing that in our neighborhood. I think my wife gave them a big cardboard box |
| 17:22.20 | eightyeight | i've been visited multiple times, by the same children, in the same night |
| 17:22.54 | eightyeight | i'd put up a "no games" sign, similar to "no soliciting", but i doubt the kids would read it |
| 17:22.59 | eightyeight | or grok it, for that matter |
| 17:23.01 | SunSparc | still considers himself a child... |
| 17:24.03 | SunSparc | eightyeight: Put up a Scarehchild. It is like a Scarecrow, but more gruesome. |
| 17:24.49 | eightyeight | i have a feeling i'm going to be that grumpy old man all the children make rumors about |
| 17:24.50 | youtah | hey SunSparc ... we should go play Bigger Better |
| 17:25.03 | youtah | I gave my 9yo son an old direct TV satallie dish |
| 17:25.04 | eightyeight | kid1: "he murders children who walk on his lawn in the night" |
| 17:25.25 | youtah | I told him to try and trade that for something |
| 17:25.25 | eightyeight | kid2: "i heard he has big dogs with rabies" |
| 17:25.43 | eightyeight | kid3: "johnny went into his house last year, and never came out. his family had to move" |
| 17:25.49 | youtah | thinks "the sand lot" |
| 17:25.52 | SunSparc | youtah: Oh yeah, well I gave my child a 6 foot satallite dish. |
| 17:26.29 | SunSparc | And an 8 inch floppy drive. |
| 17:26.49 | SunSparc | eightyeight: You should be the one that starts those rumors. |
| 17:27.55 | youtah | I agree |
| 17:28.16 | eightyeight | ( Í Â° ÍÊ Í¡Â°) |
| 17:28.17 | youtah | I heard starting off with childrens toys on death spikes in your yard is a good kickstarter to the rumors |
| 17:28.25 | SunSparc | Put a flickering 60 watt bulb in one of the windows and a recording of someone whimpering. |
| 17:28.36 | eightyeight | halloween 24/7 |
| 17:28.37 | SunSparc | youtah: lol |
| 17:28.45 | SunSparc | eightyeight: yeah1 |
| 17:28.59 | youtah | lol, I like where this is going |
| 17:29.05 | SunSparc | :D |
| 17:29.10 | eightyeight | unfortunately, that would also cut my 8yo daughter off from the others |
| 17:29.13 | eightyeight | which i don't want |
| 17:29.19 | youtah | problem is that eightyeight's house will turn into the Village of the Mini People in Sugarhouse |
| 17:29.35 | youtah | and he'll have flocks of teenagers coming to visit his place in the night |
| 17:29.52 | youtah | Hobbitville |
| 17:29.55 | youtah | that is what I was thinking of |
| 17:29.58 | eightyeight | when one of her friends were over, i didn't want them going into the basement, so i told them a i had a pet monster under the stairs |
| 17:30.26 | eightyeight | i took several months before she came over again, despite my daughter telling her friend that i don't own a pet monster, and she goes down there all the time |
| 17:30.28 | eightyeight | heh |
| 17:30.36 | eightyeight | s/i took/it took/ |
| 17:31.34 | SunSparc | LOL |
| 17:31.42 | youtah | http://utahspresenthistory.blogspot.com/2013/02/urban-myth-salt-lake-citys-hobbitville.html |
| 17:31.55 | SunSparc | You should get a pet monster. |
| 17:32.08 | eightyeight | https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2016/04/18/the-treasury-makes-the-right-call-keep-hamilton-dump-jackson/ |
| 17:33.39 | programmerq | how have I never heard that rumor before? |
| 17:35.02 | SunSparc | Just get rid of cash altogether. |
| 17:35.05 | youtah | What, Hobbitville? |
| 17:35.10 | youtah | programmerq? |
| 17:40.44 | frostyfrog | Hobbit ville? |
| 17:41.12 | youtah | That being said, I have several friends at the AG's office. They're good at what they do too. It's not their fault, it's really the dumb law. |
| 17:42.53 | joshh | programmerq: brewvies is great, you should go |
| 17:43.08 | joshh | definitely one of slc's treasures |
| 17:46.45 | joshh | drinking is only a part of it fwiw, they have comfy seats, food much better than a standard megaplex, etc |
| 17:46.50 | joshh | as well as pool tables and whatnot |
| 17:47.32 | youtah | needs to go |
| 17:51.00 | voldemortensen | why can't google sheets have vim bindings⦠|
| 17:53.44 | youtah | OMG YES |
| 17:53.52 | youtah | I have thought the same with a bunch of editors |
| 17:54.04 | youtah | even things like browsers for searching, etc |
| 17:54.30 | youtah | I'll tell you why.... it would royally screw up accountants |
| 17:55.46 | voldemortensen | VimFX is pretty good for firefox |
| 17:55.55 | voldemortensen | I've enjoyed it a lot. |
| 17:56.36 | voldemortensen | except for when I'm in normal mode and accidentally type "ar" and every single tab refreshes at the same time. |
| 17:56.57 | youtah | looks for a chrome one |
| 17:58.13 | voldemortensen | i think its called vimium |
| 18:06.03 | spangborn | Brewvies is a poop hole these days. |
| 18:06.31 | youtah | your mom goes to college |
| 18:06.34 | spangborn | I also don't particularly care for the owners, who rather than fund their own digital conversion, decided to attempt Kickstarter. |
| 18:07.06 | youtah | we should start our own spangborn |
| 18:07.21 | youtah | ... in Wendover |
| 18:07.31 | spangborn | I'm more aiming for Provo. |
| 18:07.36 | youtah | naw |
| 18:07.39 | spangborn | Find some movies that show shoulders and ankles. |
| 18:07.43 | youtah | you'd get overvrowded too quickly |
| 18:07.53 | youtah | too many pent up adults looking for outlets down there |
| 18:27.19 | joshh | spangborn: tbh i haven't been there for about 10 years, but what is wrong with it now? |
| 18:28.01 | spangborn | The seats are in crap shape, the floors aren't usually clean (sticky crap everywhere) |
| 18:28.19 | spangborn | And the people that go there don't usually care to actually watch the movie. Too much noise. |
| 18:28.29 | spangborn | If you want to drink and watch a movie, you're better off at home. |
| 18:29.57 | joshh | i wouldn't go there for a serious blockbuster or anything |
| 18:30.08 | joshh | but for the 20th time seeing wrath of khan, it's great |
| 18:30.14 | spangborn | The owners barely put in enough maintenance to keep it running. |
| 18:30.40 | joshh | so you would prefer it to be more "upscale"? |
| 18:31.05 | spangborn | I'd prefer it be somewhere that I don't feel like I'm going to sit on a hyperdermic needle. |
| 18:31.05 | joshh | we have a pretty fancy alcohol theater in sf that's basically a japanese bar/restaurant and it is nice and in great condition, but the tickets are like $18 |
| 18:31.16 | joshh | last time i went to brewvies i think i paid 2 or 4 |
| 18:31.23 | TodPunk | The only thing that should have vim bindings is a code editor. Not a word doc |
| 18:31.27 | spangborn | Their food isn't really great, either. |
| 18:31.44 | TodPunk | you can't make specific modes for rich text monikers (when in bold, do this, when in paragraph indentation, do this) |
| 18:33.09 | TodPunk | joshh: in Texas all the restaurant theaters are expensive like that, because that's what the experience literally costs |
| 18:33.20 | TodPunk | doing it cheaper and you get a pho house of a theater |
| 18:33.43 | joshh | we also got a brand new expansion of the austin based alamo drafthouse theater chain, but i haven't been yet |
| 18:34.08 | joshh | i think it has a nice restaurant inside it, as well as other food options for the movie, and extensive beer/booze selection |
| 18:34.38 | joshh | i want to say i think it's cheaper than the japanese-inspired place also |
| 18:34.47 | joshh | but ya brewvies is definitely more low-brow than either |
| 18:34.59 | joshh | but that's not a bad thing imo |
| 18:36.11 | joshh | but here, some of the century/AMC theaters have some alcohol available, like decent beer bottles |
| 18:36.33 | joshh | im pretty sure brewvies is the only one with any in utah, so it's in a tough spot and gets plenty of DABC attention |
| 18:37.10 | joshh | which reminds me, i meant to google the "utah bureau of investigation" after reading about the thing yesterday, never heard of it before |
| 18:37.47 | joshh | it is weird that it took 3 of the undercover agents to go drink beer and watch deadpool |
| 18:38.04 | joshh | how do you get those jobs |
| 18:38.38 | spangborn | Yep. |
| 18:38.45 | spangborn | They got in trouble for one of the Hangover movies, too. |
| 18:38.57 | spangborn | Due to the genitalia that movie shows. |
| 18:39.19 | joshh | i don't even remember any from those movies |
| 18:39.52 | spangborn | Probably for the better. |
| 18:40.19 | joshh | http://sbi.utah.gov/alcohol-enforcement-team/frequently-asked-questions/ |
| 18:40.20 | joshh | wow, that faq |
| 18:41.21 | spangborn | 404 on 404 |
| 18:41.40 | spangborn | Ah, they screwed up the links |
| 18:42.02 | spangborn | LOL @ claiming it's illegal to get drunk in Utah |
| 18:42.32 | TodPunk | wait, it's against the law to let someone become intoxicated? Not be intoxicated, but also let someone else become so... |
| 18:44.13 | joshh | "we actually aren't that strict, some other states are also technically called control states too" |
| 18:45.24 | joshh | it always bugged me when someone was like "don't complain, oklahoma also has 3.2 beer!" |
| 18:45.33 | joshh | as if that was the standard |
| 18:45.42 | programmerq | John oliver should do a bit on liquor laws. |
| 18:45.51 | shalkie | Traveling around I can say that I find UT to be about middle of the road in terms of liqour laws. |
| 18:45.53 | TodPunk | I'd watch that |
| 18:46.13 | TodPunk | oklahoma... |
| 18:46.14 | joshh | for "liquor" utah is sort of middle of the road in many ways |
| 18:46.19 | joshh | but for beer, it's by far the worst |
| 18:46.36 | youtah | If you're ever feeling bad about yourself, post something Pro Bernie in the Bearnie Sanders Activists Facebook group. You'll get lots of likes in no time. Especially if you tie your self worth to the quantitify of Facebook likes, like I do. |
| 18:47.05 | joshh | mainly because it treats most beer as liquor |
| 18:47.49 | TodPunk | Note to self: never like another of youtah's posts or comments |
| 18:48.08 | jnbek | lol |
| 18:48.13 | jnbek | yes, that has it's perils for sure |
| 18:48.22 | youtah | quantity |
| 18:48.25 | shalkie | Meh. I don't find it to be that bad, but then I can always haul some good stuff home too. ;) |
| 18:48.52 | joshh | shalkie: what's not that bad? |
| 18:49.08 | TodPunk | I want you to haul me some good stuff home |
| 18:49.55 | joshh | utah does have some good local beer in spite of the laws, but you can't get any of it on tap, except for the same ~30 or 3.2 selections that every bar in the state has a subset of |
| 18:50.04 | shalkie | joshh: Most of the stuff I drink is from the local breweries and I don't really care about the alcohol that much. Aside from that the Liqour store usually has anything in particular I want. |
| 18:50.27 | spangborn | joshh: Buying it from the breweries yourself isn't too bad. |
| 18:50.33 | joshh | the liquor store stuff is often expired, been kept too warm, and twice as expensive as other states |
| 18:50.44 | spangborn | I discovered "Proper Brewing" recently and have been enjoying their seasonals. |
| 18:50.45 | TodPunk | I love squatters |
| 18:50.52 | shalkie | Yeah, the price at the liqour store always sucked. |
| 18:50.57 | joshh | as well as inconvenient hours and locations, especially away from the salt lake area |
| 18:51.00 | TodPunk | Uinta is also good |
| 18:51.08 | TodPunk | Wasatch is kind of average |
| 18:51.17 | spangborn | Not all of the liquor store prices are bad. |
| 18:51.30 | joshh | they don't tax the local stuff as much |
| 18:51.34 | shalkie | I like Wasatch, but I specifically dig the porter and hefewiezen. |
| 18:51.36 | spangborn | Because of the way Utah legislates what the prices can be, you can get rare whiskeys for WAY cheaper than out of state. |
| 18:51.40 | TodPunk | Wait, can I get a better price for squatters if I travel to their brewery? |
| 18:51.47 | spangborn | Because there's no accounting for supply/demand. |
| 18:52.02 | joshh | ya, again for actual liquor, utah isn't as bad |
| 18:52.40 | joshh | although you can't get liquor in a lot of places that other states have it, like arenas/stadiums |
| 18:53.05 | joshh | im not sure if the delta center even has wine, it's treated like liquor instead of the 3.2 beer |
| 18:53.14 | TodPunk | starbucks will soon |
| 18:53.17 | TodPunk | I'm excited about that |
| 18:53.51 | joshh | ya i wonder how that will go |
| 18:54.05 | TodPunk | I will be a regular patron |
| 18:54.13 | joshh | here a lot of the local coffee shops have local beer on tap, wine, etc but the starbucks are just barely rolling it out |
| 18:54.41 | joshh | some taco bells are doing a "cantina" thing now too |
| 18:54.54 | TodPunk | I just want more beer now |
| 18:54.55 | shalkie | I find it funny that in a state that is so red and proponent keeping government out of everyones lives DABC still exists as it does. |
| 18:55.35 | TodPunk | Utah is a big fan of small government until it's moral policing or keeping things "to a higher standard" which means their opinion of what an HOA should do |
| 18:55.54 | TodPunk | everyone has their schtick |
| 18:55.59 | TodPunk | Utah is no exception |
| 18:56.02 | joshh | they are pro-business when it comes to mining and other stuff that's critical for the state |
| 18:56.16 | joshh | in other areas, not necessarily so much |
| 18:56.56 | joshh | it's probably not too hard on small business, as long as you aren't trying to be an internet cafe with video poker or a bar |
| 18:57.06 | shalkie | It is hypocritical bull shit. |
| 18:57.15 | shalkie | may have an opinion on it. |
| 18:57.26 | TodPunk | Name one large body of people that isn't hypocritical |
| 18:57.35 | jnbek | dead ppl |
| 18:57.37 | joshh | im not sure if it's what voters want, or just want politicans think the voters want |
| 18:57.49 | TodPunk | individuals can be consistent on their position, groups can not |
| 18:58.02 | joshh | like if someone was running for something in a heavily mormon area, and was in favor of loosening things up, would it actually hurt them? |
| 18:58.13 | shalkie | joshh: I think we can all be honest and say that it is what the church wants. |
| 18:58.16 | joshh | almost every "mormon" i know personally thinks all the laws are stupid |
| 18:58.17 | TodPunk | joshh: voters, but not that voters != all eligible |
| 18:58.25 | TodPunk | *note |
| 19:02.17 | shalkie | drops a pin |
| 19:03.19 | youtah | Side Note |
| 19:03.34 | youtah | We're hiring a PHP Developer and a ReactJS Developer |
| 19:04.07 | youtah | If you guys know people looking: http://luxul.com/engineering-careers |
| 19:05.22 | RyanE | youtah: congratulations on being purchased. |
| 19:06.21 | youtah | Gracias |
| 19:06.49 | youtah | Did you read the full PR? |
| 19:07.07 | youtah | http://luxul.com/pr-04-19-2016 |
| 19:07.09 | RyanE | I read the CEPro article on it. |
| 19:07.12 | spangborn | Hopefully they don't lay anyone off, a la Raytheon/AST ;p |
| 19:07.31 | RyanE | http://www.cepro.com/article/legrand_acquires_luxul_wireless_adds_networking_to_home_automation_portfoli |
| 19:08.03 | shalkie | hah! This just popped up on my twitter timeline: |
| 19:08.05 | shalkie | The hypocrisy behind Utahâs move to declare porn a public health hazard http://thkpr.gs/3770705 |
| 19:08.26 | nerio | publichealth hazard? |
| 19:08.32 | spangborn | I'm probably a public health hazard according to the state. |
| 19:08.38 | spangborn | It means nothing, really. |
| 19:08.47 | spangborn | Basically it's laying the groundwork for them to legislate more later. |
| 19:11.16 | nerio | is that your company youtah |
| 19:11.18 | nerio | ? |
| 19:11.37 | spangborn | youtah: Have you seen the Twitter account @internetofshit? |
| 19:11.42 | TodPunk | youtah: you can't afford me. |
| 19:12.06 | nerio | are you jeffrey curtis? |
| 19:12.21 | TodPunk | he is definitely not jeffrey curtis |
| 19:13.05 | spangborn | nerio: His Twitter name is the same as his IRC handle, in case you're curious ;p |
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| 19:13.13 | spangborn | doxxes youtah |
| 19:14.06 | youtah | nerio luxul.com |
| 19:14.28 | youtah | I haven't spangborn |
| 19:14.36 | nerio | cool |
| 19:14.52 | spangborn | You should follow it. It's hysterical. |
| 19:15.17 | nerio | I work for a company that developed advanced driving assistance systems |
| 19:15.22 | nerio | that develops* |
| 19:15.53 | youtah | you dont happen to live up North do you? |
| 19:16.04 | youtah | North of the Wall |
| 19:16.09 | youtah | and your name isn't Gary? |
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| 19:16.20 | youtah | knows a Gary that lives up North that does that work |
| 19:21.15 | TodPunk | youtah: nerio connects from Israel |
| 19:21.32 | nerio | but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXpiyLUEOOY |
| 19:21.35 | RyanE | I don't remember a wall up north in Utah. :) |
| 19:21.45 | nerio | here's some of the features of the system |
| 19:22.02 | nerio | this is a pretty old version |
| 19:22.24 | nerio | there are more advanced systems by now |
| 19:22.31 | nerio | and we have cooler things too - like driverless cars |
| 19:23.16 | RyanE | that guy in the commercial should *not* be allowed to drive. :) |
| 19:23.18 | TodPunk | picks up that gauntlet |
| 19:23.20 | TodPunk | We have Google |
| 19:23.32 | nerio | the newer models come preinstalled on assembly lines of more than 180 major models |
| 19:23.39 | nerio | car models |
| 19:24.33 | RyanE | The things your system does are all things I'm teaching my 15yo right now... watch cars in front, stay in your lane... :) |
| 19:26.33 | programmerq | nerio: that sounds cool. I'm looking forward to owning an autonomous car... someday. |
| 19:26.57 | nerio | i rode a prototype |
| 19:27.10 | nerio | its installed on an Audio A7 |
| 19:27.31 | nerio | I road it from Jerusalem to Tel Aviv |
| 19:27.32 | TodPunk | just wants a Tesla and a Thorium molten salt reactor |
| 19:27.43 | TodPunk | like, in my basement, or down the street or something |
| 19:27.48 | programmerq | I have my eye on the tesla model 3, but I probably won't be able to seriously get one until after they are out. |
| 19:28.26 | TodPunk | I have to dedicate such funds to my business |
| 19:29.48 | spangborn | TodPunk: So you're joining Uber? |
| 19:30.39 | programmerq | TodPunk: I've read some stuff about molten salt reactors. those seem like a good idea whether the fuel is thorium or not. |
| 19:30.53 | TodPunk | programmerq: yeah, the design is pretty awesome in general |
| 19:31.42 | TodPunk | spangborn: Chariot only |
| 19:31.46 | nerio | TodPunk, Google's driveless car is based on an advaced laser guided radar system that cost 100k, our driverless vehicles is based on advanced algorithms off a 100$ camera |
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| 19:32.01 | TodPunk | sure sure, but it's Google |
| 19:32.09 | TodPunk | like, if they say it's awesome, it is |
| 19:32.20 | TodPunk | because Google |
| 19:32.22 | spangborn | I'd imagine Google's is probably more all-encompassing? |
| 19:32.37 | TodPunk | Google's is research |
| 19:32.52 | TodPunk | When it's a product, they'll trim cruft, much like, say, Cardboard |
| 19:33.30 | TodPunk | Google's car does WAY more than autonomous driving or pictures, as a research project |
| 19:33.31 | programmerq | nerio: what are your thoughts on the tesla hardware/system? |
| 19:35.15 | nerio | i'm not familiar with their products |
| 19:35.18 | nerio | products |
| 19:35.38 | RyanE | https://youtu.be/ridS396W2BY |
| 19:35.52 | RyanE | I don't think I'd want to be the driver of either car in these tests... :) |
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| 19:38.04 | nerio | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhEgD6ZFlQE |
| 19:38.31 | nerio | here's a demonstration of an early version of the driveless technology from couple of years ago |
| 19:41.36 | TodPunk | Maybe I should get a couple CC430s to play with |
| 19:41.47 | TodPunk | I'd need to print PCBs |
| 19:41.54 | TodPunk | always this same road of thinking |
| 19:42.00 | TodPunk | puts it away for another few months |
| 19:42.04 | programmerq | nerio: I saw a snippet of that first video in gif form a while ago. |
| 19:43.02 | RyanE | TodPunk: what are you wanting to build? |
| 19:43.13 | TodPunk | home automation stuff |
| 19:43.15 | TodPunk | the usual |
| 19:43.37 | TodPunk | non-dealer home automation stuff =cP |
| 19:43.41 | RyanE | :) |
| 19:50.05 | spangborn | I'm not crying, you're crying. http://imgur.com/gallery/zUY9j |
| 20:02.35 | nerio | programmerq, did you ask me about tesla because they use our system? |
| 20:03.11 | programmerq | nerio: no, they use their own tech as far as I know. I was just curious if you had an opinion on what they are doing since you work in that space. |
| 20:03.21 | nerio | they use our system |
| 20:03.25 | programmerq | oh interesting |
| 20:03.36 | nerio | so does BMW |
| 20:03.39 | nerio | and so does GM |
| 20:03.41 | nerio | and volvo |
| 20:03.43 | nerio | and many others |
| 20:03.47 | spangborn | Mobileye ;p |
| 20:04.36 | spangborn | Their cofounder recommends a use case of texting while driving :/ |
| 20:05.36 | nerio | http://fortune.com/2015/12/17/tesla-mobileye/ |
| 20:06.13 | nerio | and more recently |
| 20:06.14 | nerio | http://electrek.co/2016/03/29/elon-musk-mobileye-next-gen-tesla-autopilot/ |
| 20:44.12 | harleypig | ... I parsed that as "http://...next-genitalia-autopilot" and stopped dead in my tracks ... |
| 20:45.27 | harleypig | So, that out of the way ... can someone tell me the difference in pythons array.append and array.extend? |
| 20:46.00 | voldemortensen | looks like just a few letters difference to me. |
| 20:46.04 | voldemortensen | runs |
| 20:46.38 | harleypig | yeah, me too. |
| 20:48.15 | harleypig | Oh, I think I begin to see. append([1,2]) stuffs the list [1,2] as an object, and the bare list 1,2 is an invalid input to append. |
| 20:50.43 | harleypig | and extend([1,2]) is the same as perl's "push @d, $_ for 1,2" |
| 20:51.52 | harleypig | or, iow, append([1,2]) is the same as perl's "push @d, \[1,2]" |
| 21:04.07 | voldemortensen | ah, makes sense. |
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| 21:57.49 | eightyeight | job security: https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/4fhboe/c_identifiers_now_support_both_kana_and_kanji/ |
| 22:06.37 | jlp_znc | speaking about C, remember my rant yesterday about line continuation characters not working? |
| 22:07.03 | jlp_znc | turns out they work fine, but the code had bugs in it where there were blank lines interspersed in the block that didn't have continuation characters on them. |
| 22:07.25 | jlp_znc | I discovered this when I actually read the code. |
| 22:09.17 | jlp_znc | whoops. fixed those and the code compiles now. and I have omega running on my mac :-D |
| 22:09.24 | jlp_znc | productivity is at an end. |
| 22:12.50 | youtah | I am scared that it might actually be a Trump/Hillary Election |
| 22:17.43 | eightyeight | Well, it will at least be Hillary. Who knows what the crazies put up for their candidate. |
| 22:19.01 | eightyeight | If they have any sense in them, it will be Kasich |
| 22:19.30 | youtah | So RyanE ... will you still be my friend? |
| 22:23.06 | fadein | jlp_znc: Omega the Roguelike? |
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| 22:34.47 | voldemortensen | I'm scared that one of the current candidates will win the election. |
| 22:39.38 | jlp_znc | fadein: yep |
| 22:44.54 | L34N | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.19 | unum | voldemortensen: most likely |
| 22:49.25 | unum | it's pretty unlikely that someone who isn't running will win |
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| 22:50.25 | unum | :) |
| 22:53.15 | jlp_znc | oh, and here's my take on the whole atheism/religion discussion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DS1icEssOUM |
| 23:05.37 | fadein | jlp_znc: lolz |
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| 23:46.30 | youtah | http://www.ksl.com/?sid=39413104&nid=148&title=swarm-of-small-earthquakes-near-utah-arizona-border-enters-4th-week |
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