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| 01:22.26 | programmerq | TodPunk: three of my talks were accepted. |
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| 03:26.42 | shalkie | Wohoo! |
| 03:26.58 | shalkie | Congrats to those that got accepted. |
| 03:27.11 | jalbretsen | I got accepted to something? |
| 03:27.45 | shalkie | OpenWest sent out acceptance letters today. |
| 03:28.14 | shalkie | But of course jalbretsen, your always accepted. :) |
| 03:29.04 | jalbretsen | I'd have to actually apply to give a presentation. I did not |
| 03:29.10 | jalbretsen | but I think I'll be actually going again this year |
| 03:29.20 | jalbretsen | last year I skipped |
| 03:29.50 | shalkie | It is going to be in the SLValley this year too, so no need to drive down to UVU. |
| 03:30.13 | shalkie | Just the long drive down to Sandy/Draper. |
| 03:30.28 | programmerq | it's about the same distance in my case. |
| 03:30.32 | shalkie | I am pretty sure it is sandy though. |
| 03:30.53 | shalkie | programmerq: I am still planning on making sleeping arrangements. |
| 03:31.04 | programmerq | yeah, in your case that definitely makes sense. |
| 03:31.52 | shalkie | Oh, your a lot closer then I thought. |
| 03:32.03 | shalkie | s/your/you are/ |
| 03:33.43 | programmerq | yeah, it's about 25 or 30 minutes to draper/orem |
| 03:34.14 | programmerq | at least from my house. I'm right on the west edge of eagle mountain |
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| 04:40.14 | TodPunk | programmerq: are you in Lehi-ish? |
| 04:40.30 | TodPunk | oh, you said west EM |
| 04:40.45 | programmerq | TodPunk: lehi is pretty close. |
| 04:41.16 | TodPunk | Yeah, I'm just east of thanksgiving point, so I'm aware of your proximity, thank heavens |
| 04:41.30 | TodPunk | isn't totally isolated from the world |
| 04:41.39 | TodPunk | watcha talkin' about? |
| 04:44.40 | programmerq | TodPunk: I commented on the openwest venue change and how it's basicaly the same driving distance for me |
| 04:45.00 | TodPunk | I meant, what are you presenting on? |
| 04:45.20 | TodPunk | Sorry for being confusing =cP |
| 04:50.20 | programmerq | oh |
| 04:50.25 | programmerq | docker docker docker of course |
| 04:51.53 | programmerq | a simple intro to docker talk, a more advanced talk showing compose, swarm, and multihost networking together |
| 04:52.19 | programmerq | and another one on docker's content trust feature |
| 04:52.52 | programmerq | which I think is probably one of the best things happening in the field for the problem it's trying to solve (well, TUF in general, which is what content trust is built on) |
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| 04:53.59 | TodPunk | Good times, man |
| 04:54.06 | TodPunk | I should have known |
| 04:56.14 | programmerq | I had another non-docker talk or two in my proposal list, but I think I set my limit to 3 |
| 05:01.42 | TodPunk | I set mine to 4 just because I thought "hell, if they're crazy enough to want me to give so many talks, who am I to say no?" |
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| 05:10.01 | TodPunk | Ubuntu will not see these nics. I am disappoint |
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| 14:48.46 | frostyfrog | Anyone know of a cheap colocation place for a handful of personal servers? (I'm thinking max 2 3u servers) |
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| 15:00.21 | unum | frostyfrog: xmission :) |
| 15:00.48 | unum | I've been very happy with a vps for personal stuff |
| 15:01.13 | unum | my personal budget for this sort of thing isn't high enough for colo |
| 15:02.27 | unum | I live in draper and work in murray so the venue in sandy creates a shorter commute than normal |
| 15:02.34 | unum | I plan on taking the train |
| 15:03.28 | unum | TodPunk: I'll probably present on the new one |
| 15:04.10 | TodPunk | frostyfrog: I host with vi.net which is like a cobrand of westhost, which has space in the C7 datacenter in Bluffdale |
| 15:04.15 | unum | my letsencrypt one didn't get accepted but there were others want to present on that |
| 15:26.42 | spangborn | https://labs.mwrinfosecurity.com/assets/BlogFiles/mwri-android-bluetooth-pairing-bypass-2016-04-12.pdf |
| 15:27.38 | spangborn | Weeeeeee. |
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| 15:36.35 | frostyfrog | Yeah, unum. I thought $90/mo was a bit high for what I want to do. I don't know the average prices though. :S |
| 15:36.52 | frostyfrog | I'm planning on coloc for offsite home backups. |
| 15:39.02 | unum | there all sorts of ways to get that cheaper than $90/mo |
| 15:39.30 | unum | if it's just back up you can even encrypt to protect your privacy |
| 15:39.34 | programmerq | yeah, offsite home backup would be nice. |
| 15:39.42 | frostyfrog | nods. |
| 15:39.56 | frostyfrog | has tarabytes of data that needs backing up. |
| 15:39.59 | frostyfrog | ... |
| 15:40.05 | frostyfrog | s/tara/tera/ |
| 15:40.11 | unum | ya at that point colo may be competive |
| 15:40.19 | programmerq | if I could do rsync and encryption, I'd be happy. |
| 15:40.24 | frostyfrog | ^ |
| 15:40.35 | unum | I know my brother was looking at AWS and it was going to cost quite a bit more than I expected |
| 15:41.09 | programmerq | glacier sounds legit, but it seems to get expensive once you start talking about terabytes. |
| 15:42.53 | unum | google looks to have very competive pricing |
| 15:43.25 | unum | looks like $10 per terabyte is pretty common |
| 15:43.41 | unum | so if you have terabytes colo maybe competive |
| 15:44.09 | unum | is that $90/mo/u |
| 15:44.34 | unum | so if you are doing 6 u you're at $540/mo |
| 15:45.26 | unum | which you could get 54 terrabytes of storage from google for that price |
| 15:45.44 | frostyfrog | third cabinet, and only if I coloc for 36 months. |
| 15:45.56 | unum | that's not so bad |
| 15:46.17 | unum | when I was looking at prices several years ago it's seemed like it was that much per u |
| 15:46.32 | unum | I'm very biased towards runing thing on my own hardware |
| 15:46.53 | frostyfrog | Ah, so 90$ is considered on the cheap-ish end then. |
| 15:47.00 | unum | but it's going to save me over $80/year on my hobby, I'll do vps |
| 15:47.12 | frostyfrog | ^ |
| 15:47.29 | frostyfrog | I have a few VPSs, but I can't use them for my backup x3 |
| 15:49.11 | unum | I meant $800/year |
| 15:50.09 | TodPunk | frostyfrog: third cabinet with a /29? |
| 15:50.38 | TodPunk | I pay $40/month for 1U with a /29 |
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| 15:51.18 | frostyfrog | Up to 16 IPv4 addresses included |
| 15:51.25 | frostyfrog | ~xmission site |
| 15:51.31 | frostyfrog | https://xmission.com/colocation_promo?from=pageColo |
| 15:52.09 | TodPunk | $90 is for 1U... |
| 15:53.23 | frostyfrog | It is? Ah... >_> |
| 15:55.19 | frostyfrog | will contact both and compare prices. |
| 15:55.29 | frostyfrog | Thank you for the suggestions! :D |
| 16:03.53 | frostyfrog | xD |
| 16:04.07 | frostyfrog | vi.net's sales email doesn't work :S |
| 16:04.15 | RyanE | try vim.net |
| 16:04.16 | RyanE | :) |
| 16:07.33 | TodPunk | frostyfrog: yeah, I don't knw what they're doing with their brand there. That's why I mentioned it was westhost's sister company thing |
| 16:09.19 | TodPunk | apparently the parent company is called 100tb.com |
| 16:09.22 | TodPunk | fitting |
| 16:10.25 | RyanE | 100tb(total).com is less compelling. |
| 16:10.42 | TodPunk | Ryan is in a mood, I see =cP |
| 16:10.44 | RyanE | or 'only100tb.com' |
| 16:10.52 | frostyfrog | xD |
| 16:10.53 | RyanE | snarky, yet sleepy. |
| 16:11.05 | RyanE | no one has ever accused me of being in marketing. |
| 16:11.37 | spangborn | RyanE: You work in marketing? |
| 16:11.56 | TodPunk | Only on Tuesdays |
| 16:12.53 | RyanE | thank heavens it's Thursday. |
| 16:13.04 | RyanE | now, back on your heads! |
| 16:13.12 | TodPunk | Westhost's site is compelling. I really do get sold on web hosting and colocation by a picture of a chick with a nose ring and a hipster hat, probably listening to a band I've never heard of |
| 16:13.35 | TodPunk | Without that pic, I'd know I wasn't talking to a serious hosting company |
| 16:13.52 | TodPunk | They just get me, you know? |
| 16:15.12 | keldwud_ | I detect sarcasm but that would totally sell me |
| 16:16.39 | TodPunk | ... |
| 16:16.48 | TodPunk | ⦠even |
| 16:17.03 | keldwud_ | nice. a real elipses |
| 16:17.35 | romanovic | spangborn: what's this idea of yours for a marketing department? https://youtu.be/kaAwAhKniqo?t=107 |
| 16:17.39 | keldwud_ | hey do any of you use any window management solutions, like the tiling type stuff? I'm considering using a solution but I don't want to waste my time if it's not actually going to increase my productivity. however, I use all four of my desktop spaces with two monitors and each space generally have half a dozen terminals on each workspace with dozens of browser tabs and other various windows like file browsers and such |
| 16:18.24 | keldwud_ | i.e. is it worth the time investment to install and configure a window manager, will I get that time back possibly? it sounds great in theory but I want to ehar about real world use cases |
| 16:18.27 | TodPunk | Pro tip: don't full screen everything |
| 16:18.46 | TodPunk | That's my window management solution in its entirety |
| 16:19.11 | keldwud_ | yeah, I only full screen when a co-worker is at my desk and we are collaborating |
| 16:19.23 | keldwud_ | also include a few vms and a few rdp sessions |
| 16:19.31 | frostyfrog | I find it nice to not have overlapping windows. |
| 16:19.48 | frostyfrog | uses dwm though >_> |
| 16:19.50 | keldwud_ | frostyfrog: that's what I've really been looking forward to. overlapping windows take a lot of time to manage |
| 16:20.05 | keldwud_ | what else do you like about it? |
| 16:20.41 | shalkie | keldwud_: I played with i3 and it was nice once you got the hang of it. |
| 16:20.42 | keldwud_ | I sometimes feel like I spend way too much time resizing windows so they will all fit on the screen and display some relevant information |
| 16:20.56 | TodPunk | How many windows does one even have open? I've got 16 different windowed things running right now. Lots of tabs in some of those, but the windows themselves are pretty easy to hop between |
| 16:21.26 | TodPunk | Then again, I forget that keldwud_ spends a lot of time resizing windows based on things like |
| 16:21.27 | TodPunk | this |
| 16:21.43 | keldwud_ | your name suits you right now :) |
| 16:24.09 | TodPunk | It always does |
| 16:24.40 | frostyfrog | keldwud_: I really enjoy the configuration possibilities (It's all in C, very flexible). Productivity wise though? My window focus follows my mouse, has multi monitor support (It works with 4 monitors), allows you to swap between: full screen (monacle); tiled; and floating modes... |
| 16:25.07 | keldwud_ | is floating like the way I have it now? |
| 16:25.15 | keldwud_ | overlapping windows and such? |
| 16:25.20 | frostyfrog | Yes |
| 16:25.35 | keldwud_ | and there are keyboard shortcuts between the modes? |
| 16:26.33 | frostyfrog | ctrl+f, ctrl+t and ctrl+m. ctrl+<space> swaps between the current and the last used mode. |
| 16:26.42 | frostyfrog | ... |
| 16:26.46 | frostyfrog | not ctrl. |
| 16:26.57 | frostyfrog | what ever you bind to the meta key. |
| 16:27.14 | keldwud_ | shalkie: what were some of the characteristics of i3 that you liked? |
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| 16:27.37 | TodPunk | aaaaaaand this is why I use Windows |
| 16:28.09 | TodPunk | less time fiddling with every minor detail of the OS, and more time just using the application that does the actual productive thing |
| 16:28.13 | TodPunk | see also: Mac |
| 16:29.00 | TodPunk | is excited for the point where his Windows machine is a better linux desktop machine than actual linux flavors |
| 16:31.02 | frostyfrog | keldwud_: http://i.imgur.com/2FVKh9L.png |
| 16:31.55 | frostyfrog | 1. floating 2. monacle 3. tiling 4. tiling (one window) |
| 16:32.12 | RyanE | TodPunk: and more time running anti-virus. |
| 16:32.47 | frostyfrog | also: http://dwm.suckless.org/screenshots/dwm-20100318.png |
| 16:33.35 | eightyeight | <3 dwm |
| 16:33.45 | spangborn | frostyfrog: Needs moar Chrome tabs |
| 16:33.58 | TodPunk | RyanE: I haven't run anti-virus in 12 years. I also don't click on every random thing, so that sort of helps =cP |
| 16:34.00 | frostyfrog | I'm only at 138 |
| 16:34.02 | eightyeight | many of the suckless tools are great, actually |
| 16:34.16 | eightyeight | i use ii(1) a lot also |
| 16:34.16 | frostyfrog | spangborn: I think my record is at about 310. |
| 16:34.21 | RyanE | TodPunk: so you're saying Windows is for *experts* who know not to click randomly? :) |
| 16:34.53 | eightyeight | surf(1) and tabbed(1) as well |
| 16:35.23 | TodPunk | "experts" is apparently a loose term |
| 16:35.41 | TodPunk | If you have shiny syndrome, maybe not for you >.> |
| 16:36.09 | eightyeight | RyanE: "NextNextNextNextNextNextNextNext ... Close" |
| 16:40.08 | frostyfrog | uses surf, dwm, slock, and dmenu. |
| 16:40.42 | eightyeight | looks at slock |
| 16:42.19 | eightyeight | hmm. if it could set a background image, that would be great |
| 16:42.25 | eightyeight | currently, i use i3lock(1) for that reason |
| 16:42.32 | keldwud_ | TodPunk: my co-worker is experimenting with that now. I tried getting it installed but since it is beta you have to have a windows account to sign into to turn on the feature |
| 16:42.52 | keldwud_ | and I have dual auth turned on on that account but the windows authentication app is installed on my *previous* phone |
| 16:43.00 | keldwud_ | so I can't sign into my windows account |
| 16:43.30 | TodPunk | has a backup for all his auth apps in keepass for that reason |
| 16:43.47 | TodPunk | that will cause you some headache later getting that unlocked |
| 16:44.01 | keldwud_ | frostyfrog: the second monitor, are those all active windows? what's going on in there? |
| 16:44.13 | eightyeight | $ import -window root background.png; convert -scale 10% -scale 1000% background.png digitized.png; i3lock -i digitized.png |
| 16:44.17 | keldwud_ | a couple different instances of minecraft? |
| 16:44.40 | frostyfrog | keldwud_: That was Chrome with the imgur tab open. |
| 16:44.47 | keldwud_ | oooh ok |
| 16:44.52 | keldwud_ | makes more sense now |
| 16:45.22 | keldwud_ | I"m like, damn. are you some savant, playing multiple instances of minecraft and sim city or something |
| 16:45.51 | eightyeight | not enough chromium tabs |
| 16:46.15 | keldwud_ | I think I've upped my average to about two to three dozen browser tabs per day now |
| 16:46.27 | keldwud_ | I'm starting to think I've maybe got a bad habit |
| 16:46.51 | eightyeight | when i start losing the favicon in the tab, i start cleaning it up |
| 16:47.08 | eightyeight | "hmm. don't need that, and that, and that, and that, and that, and ..." |
| 16:47.12 | keldwud_ | frostyfrog: that second image gives me a better idea of how it's used |
| 16:47.27 | eightyeight | also, sad that firefox dropped tab groups |
| 16:47.35 | eightyeight | granted, the UX sucked, but still... |
| 16:47.59 | keldwud_ | why is it that opera came up with almost every innovative feature in web browsing yet they always had the lowest market share? |
| 16:48.24 | spangborn | Marketing. |
| 16:48.42 | keldwud_ | I hope they can make a come-back with vivaldi |
| 16:48.47 | eightyeight | and it was a trialware app. then adware. |
| 16:49.05 | keldwud_ | it stopped being adware in like version 7 or 8 didn't it? |
| 16:49.15 | keldwud_ | it has been a while so my memory may be a bit rusty |
| 16:49.39 | eightyeight | yeah. it's been a while |
| 16:49.41 | keldwud_ | I remember 6 was adware but I followed the instructions on searchlores.org to get rid of the ads |
| 16:50.47 | eightyeight | it was IE vs Netscape at that time, and i was solidly in the Netscape camp. then Firefox when that hit 0.8 |
| 16:50.53 | TodPunk | Opera was innovative for its features, but it was a terrible browser. It couldn't conform to any of the web standards much better than IE, it always tried to push its new web standard things and just came off like an Apple marketing team without the clout to back their opinions |
| 16:51.06 | eightyeight | unfortunately, firefox seems to be having some redraw and widget bugs as of lately |
| 16:51.33 | spangborn | This is true, they didn't conform to a lot of standards. |
| 16:51.36 | keldwud_ | I only stopped using opera recently when they changed the engine |
| 16:51.37 | TodPunk | I remember one time I had a page where an Opera user complained it misaligned things because it was putting a scrollbar in a frame when there was no reason to scroll |
| 16:51.42 | eightyeight | i tried the SeaMonkey suite for a while. couldn't stick with it. |
| 16:51.56 | eightyeight | i do wish Debian still shipped IceApe, however. at least as an option |
| 16:51.59 | keldwud_ | but I loved the built-in mail client, irc client, and torrent client |
| 16:52.09 | keldwud_ | and the built-in notes |
| 16:52.16 | TodPunk | You wanted a Mozilla product |
| 16:52.36 | keldwud_ | man, I also wish opera unite would have taken off |
| 16:52.56 | keldwud_ | I used to use that to serve content across devices on my home network |
| 16:53.04 | keldwud_ | and with friends |
| 16:53.06 | TodPunk | Technical ideas that nobody cares about are bad ideas. You HAVE to sell good ideas to make them actually good. |
| 16:53.16 | keldwud_ | I cared about them :( |
| 16:53.24 | keldwud_ | I'm somebody |
| 16:53.32 | keldwud_ | :) |
| 16:53.32 | TodPunk | You're an entire market? |
| 16:53.59 | TodPunk | Niche markets are a thing, a handful of users are nothing |
| 16:54.21 | keldwud_ | I know, I'm just feeling wistful |
| 16:54.44 | TodPunk | I wish the Amiga was still a thing |
| 16:54.53 | TodPunk | but same issue |
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| 16:58.42 | jfindlay | palemoon+fossamail ftw |
| 17:04.00 | eightyeight | leave it to FOSS to design crap for logos |
| 17:04.57 | eightyeight | "fosshub" haha |
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| 17:09.33 | jfindlay | but libre software pandemic vulnerablilities always get spiffy logos |
| 17:09.55 | shalkie | keldwud_: It was simple and clean. I didn't have to deal with resizing in most cases. |
| 17:11.28 | shalkie | fedora magazine had a nice little intro article: https://fedoramagazine.org/getting-started-i3-window-manager/ |
| 17:14.04 | shalkie | But I also slip back into WindowMaker from time to time and I like Gnome 3, so I could just have aweful taste. ;-) |
| 17:14.05 | eightyeight | i couldn't get used to i3 |
| 17:14.20 | eightyeight | i still prefer awesome for the day-to-day, and dwm for my netbook |
| 17:14.39 | eightyeight | i3 had some odd key bindings |
| 17:16.29 | shalkie | Yeah, not the most natural bindings, but I think you can change all the bindings. |
| 17:16.41 | shalkie | is looking at awesome |
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| 17:27.58 | keldwud_ | eightyeight: why do you use awesome in some cases and dwm in others? |
| 17:28.17 | eightyeight | dwm is not configurable |
| 17:28.18 | eightyeight | awesome is |
| 17:30.23 | jfindlay | eightyeight: dwm is configurable |
| 17:30.32 | jfindlay | you only have to edit the source code :) |
| 17:30.39 | jfindlay | by design, even |
| 17:30.56 | eightyeight | that's not configuration. that's patching and recompiling. :) |
| 17:31.25 | jfindlay | 'we're so minimal that we don't even offer configs!' |
| 17:31.52 | eightyeight | keldwud_: i have 1GB on that netbook, so any RAM i can squeeze free, i will |
| 17:32.08 | eightyeight | keldwud_: as such, i don't run a display manager. standard 'startx' after login to a tty |
| 17:33.01 | keldwud_ | so dwm would have a large upfront cost I'm guessing |
| 17:33.25 | eightyeight | not sure what you mean |
| 17:33.36 | keldwud_ | if I wanted to configure it |
| 17:33.44 | eightyeight | i run it, because it's super light on resources, and "close enough" to awesome (which is a dwm fork) to be familiar with |
| 17:33.48 | keldwud_ | the cost would be higher because I would be editing source code |
| 17:33.53 | eightyeight | yeah |
| 17:34.28 | jfindlay | eightyeight: why don't you just upgrade the memory in your netbook? |
| 17:34.30 | keldwud_ | I'm currently wrestling with getting my graylog node to talk to my elasticsearch node |
| 17:34.39 | jfindlay | for the low price of about $40 |
| 17:34.53 | keldwud_ | I can telnet across that port from machine to machine |
| 17:36.07 | jfindlay | eightyeight: if it's 64 bit arch, you can get into the multi gigabyte range even with a single memory card |
| 17:36.30 | eightyeight | it's 32-bit |
| 17:36.53 | eightyeight | it's really only used for when i'm oncall, and remote |
| 17:37.02 | eightyeight | i tether off my phone for the data connection |
| 17:37.16 | keldwud_ | I have cluster name set the same in both ES and GL conf. I have multicast disabled and the hosts added in unicast.hosts on both confs. |
| 17:38.04 | frostyfrog | keldwud_: That is, assuming that you want to configure it a bunch. I've modified my actual base source code. This is the default config file. http://git.suckless.org/dwm/plain/config.def.h A fair few distros ship dwm with the default config, IIRC. |
| 17:38.13 | keldwud_ | on es I have been playing around with the network.bind_host and network.host properties |
| 17:38.51 | keldwud_ | if I do not set the network.host property, ES will not start. if I set it to localhost, it will start but my graylog node still won't see it. |
| 17:40.56 | shalkie | eightyeight: A lot of netbooks could be upgraded from 1 to 2 gigs of ram. I totally understand your position though. I still have an old netbook that I tote around cause it is light. |
| 17:41.01 | shalkie | Sadly it is also limited to 1 gig. |
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| 17:41.15 | eightyeight | this board has a limit of 1GB |
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| 17:43.49 | keldwud_ | I miss my old eeepc |
| 17:44.04 | keldwud_ | I bought one of the original ones, those little 7 inch white machines |
| 17:44.05 | keldwud_ | I loved it |
| 17:44.15 | keldwud_ | played so much nethack on it |
| 17:44.22 | eightyeight | hah |
| 17:44.27 | eightyeight | i have an hp mini 110 |
| 17:44.30 | romanovic | had one as well |
| 17:44.35 | eightyeight | battery is dead, dead, dead. need a replacement. |
| 17:44.36 | romanovic | an eeepc that is |
| 17:45.53 | romanovic | once streaming video took off, and my netbooks didn't have the guts to stream netflix/youtube/hulu without a constant stutter, i basically stopped using them |
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| 17:54.28 | programmerq | those old eeepc machines would be good for nethack. :) |
| 17:55.57 | SunSparc | needs to checkout this fabled "NetHack" game... |
| 17:56.23 | keldwud_ | okay, that was why. I have another ES cluster running on the same network. I changed the ports and that got rid of the exceptions I was seeing. |
| 17:57.24 | shalkie | I have a little gateway thing that Verizon was almost giving away since it had a builtin 3G modem. |
| 17:58.16 | keldwud_ | SunSparc: are you being serious and one of the lucky 10,000 or are you joshin with me? |
| 17:58.35 | keldwud_ | s/me/us |
| 17:58.52 | shalkie | I think I am about to set itup with some sort of role in the home network and switch to something I can actually watch youtube with. :) |
| 18:00.15 | SunSparc | keldwud_: lol, sadly, I am not joking. I have never actually played NetHack, that I can remember. |
| 18:00.46 | keldwud_ | ok cool! |
| 18:01.14 | keldwud_ | go to nethack.alt.org |
| 18:01.46 | keldwud_ | nethack is usually the game people think of when they talk about roguelikes |
| 18:02.26 | keldwud_ | it's a procedurally generated dungeon, generally uses the ascii character set to display the graphics and you explore the dungeon by killing monsters and picking up loot |
| 18:02.45 | keldwud_ | there is also a #nethack channel on IRC to help get you started |
| 18:03.09 | keldwud_ | it is known for its difficulty. death is permanent. |
| 18:03.19 | smcquay | #realife |
| 18:03.21 | keldwud_ | and one mistake can be costly |
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| 18:04.03 | keldwud_ | it has a bit of a learning curve at first, until you get used to the command interface. if you're proficient in vim, it shouldn't be as steep of a curve |
| 18:04.45 | keldwud_ | and it's not a game that everyone "beats". I'm not sure what the percentage of completion vs attempted plays is but it's a pretty dismal ratio |
| 18:05.07 | keldwud_ | the funnest parts are the interesting and unique ways in which you can die |
| 18:05.35 | SunSparc | Oh, I was on this site: http://www.nethack.org/ |
| 18:07.35 | SunSparc | Wow, this game has been around since 1996? Where in the world have I been? |
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| 18:10.44 | SunSparc | keldwud_: Their docs are humorous. |
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| 18:43.42 | TodPunk | I haven't played nethack either |
| 18:43.55 | TodPunk | I've seen it though |
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| 19:04.37 | frostyfrog | reminds me of dwarf fortress. |
| 19:09.24 | voldemortensen | There was an old game I used to play called Uplink. |
| 19:24.18 | goozbach | uplink! |
| 19:24.23 | goozbach | taht's a fun game |
| 19:33.02 | keldwud_ | if you can play dwarf fortress then you can handle nethack |
| 19:35.03 | spangborn | hacks youtah's phone via Bluetooth |
| 19:36.02 | spangborn | reminisces about MUDs |
| 19:47.08 | TodPunk | youtah: check out the rain on that camera |
| 19:47.50 | spangborn | youtah: http://youtu.be/L426wOBOdMg |
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| 19:54.13 | jfindlay | ~napoleon |
| 19:54.14 | infobot | Pedro offers you his protection. |
| 20:06.25 | SunSparc | spangborn: https://www.reddit.com/r/MUD/ |
| 20:07.33 | spangborn | I played one called Albion that was pretty cool. |
| 20:08.11 | SunSparc | It has been so long since I played a MUD. I cannot even remember the names. |
| 20:08.23 | spangborn | I used to go to the public library to go play |
| 20:08.36 | spangborn | And then someone disabled telnet on those machines so I couldn't anymore :( |
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| 20:09.06 | SunSparc | Lame. But you tried to hack the machines before you gave up, right? |
| 20:09.25 | spangborn | IIRC, I brought in a copy of telnet.exe on a floppy for a while |
| 20:09.40 | SunSparc | Nice |
| 20:10.11 | SunSparc | The essential hacker floppy of the 90's. |
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| 20:13.53 | fadein | Speakaing of NetHack, I'll be doing a talk about it at OpenWest |
| 20:14.13 | keldwud_ | what? for reals? |
| 20:14.14 | fadein | from my eeePC ;) |
| 20:14.37 | spangborn | People are gonna think you time travelled. |
| 20:14.55 | spangborn | I haven't seen an eeePC in forever. |
| 20:15.41 | fadein | it's not one of the 1st gen eeePCs with the split SSD/HDD storage; it's one of the later ones circa 2010 |
| 20:15.54 | programmerq | fadein: I'm pretty happy with nethack4, but I haven't tried the latest vanilla release yet. |
| 20:16.07 | programmerq | although I did read that they took patches from the nethack4 project. |
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| 20:16.42 | fadein | wasn't nethack4 the "release" that used code stolen from the DevTeam? |
| 20:16.58 | unum | I have a little eeepc laptop I dug out of my desk drawer a few weeks ago |
| 20:17.05 | unum | my daughter has been having fun with it |
| 20:17.37 | programmerq | fadein: I don't think so. it's a fairly active project that has been trying to modernize the nethack codebase and user experience without disrupting gameplay/balance. |
| 20:18.11 | fadein | https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/NetHack_4 |
| 20:18.49 | fadein | it seems that a whole bunch of NetHack variants sprung up in the interrim between NH 3.4.3 and the new release this past winter |
| 20:19.09 | programmerq | yup |
| 20:19.30 | programmerq | I am at the gates of gehennom in my current nethack4 game. |
| 20:19.36 | programmerq | I've never made it much farther |
| 20:19.48 | fadein | programmerq: don't play after 11pm |
| 20:20.00 | programmerq | it's on the nethack4.org public server |
| 20:20.08 | fadein | 99% of my screwups happen that hour |
| 20:20.14 | programmerq | lol |
| 20:20.28 | fadein | I've lost many a Valkyrie and Wizard to late-night hubris |
| 20:20.56 | fadein | oh, the "stolen" code was NetHack 3.5 |
| 20:21.12 | fadein | that's why DevTeam went from version 3.4.3 to 3.6 |
| 20:21.28 | programmerq | ah |
| 20:21.39 | programmerq | yeah, the nethack4 folks are pretty cool as far as I can tell. |
| 20:25.34 | fadein | I ought to mention the various forks - but 50 mins isn't much time to cover such a big game |
| 20:30.33 | jfindlay | fadein: are you going to discuss the lore and ancient origins of muds in general? |
| 20:31.27 | fadein | jfindlay: NetHack != MUD |
| 20:31.52 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:32.04 | fadein | I'm not actually all that familiar with MUDs, but, for one thing, NetHack isn't a multiplayer experience |
| 20:32.07 | SunSparc | Multi User NetHack is not. |
| 20:32.19 | jfindlay | whatever |
| 20:32.29 | SunSparc | I was reading the FAQs and that was a specific point. |
| 20:32.34 | fadein | the closest to multiplayer you get with NetHack is coming across some other's players remains in the dungeon |
| 20:32.58 | fadein | and it's not very narrative-driven |
| 20:33.29 | fadein | correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a MUD a bit more like an interactive fiction story? |
| 20:33.38 | spangborn | Correct. |
| 20:34.08 | fadein | yeah, if you want a story, NetHack isn't for you ;) |
| 20:34.29 | spangborn | Depending on the MUD, it's pretty open ended. |
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| 20:36.49 | SunSparc | https://www.google.com/killer-robots.txt |
| 20:37.26 | jfindlay | well, see here, I was conflating all them console games |
| 20:40.40 | fadein | after my talk at OpenWest, you'll at least have the rougelikes straight! |
| 20:40.41 | SunSparc | Ok, I need to introduce my kids to NetHack. They will have to tear themselves away from League of Legends and Minecraft for a bit. |
| 20:42.49 | jfindlay | :) |
| 20:43.57 | RyanE | sadly, this is as close to Godzilla as Japan has gotten: https://youtu.be/mdOI3ISSjHk |
| 20:46.18 | fadein | sweet! I can encrypt one file with *multiple* GPG keys |
| 20:47.32 | spangborn | https://twitter.com/DPRK_News/status/720669432243232769 |
| 20:48.06 | RyanE | "Mine Craft" vs "Minecraft" |
| 20:48.12 | jfindlay | fadein: do you give one of those to the FBI? :) |
| 20:48.33 | fadein | I should, for great justice |
| 20:48.52 | fadein | then they won't have to work so hard to find out that my phone doesn't have any actionable intelligence, after all |
| 20:49.08 | jfindlay | noting to hide, after all |
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| 20:49.49 | fadein | This is a funny line out of gpg's man page, regarding the --dry-run option: "Don't make any changes (this is not completely implemented)." |
| 20:50.40 | jfindlay | perhaps that run is not so dry |
| 20:51.12 | TodPunk | a MUD and Nethack are actually quite similar, and some MUDs did have a nethack style ui, even some later games like Ultima |
| 20:54.47 | TodPunk | Nethack simulates a hell of a lot more than most MUDs did, though |
| 20:58.42 | keldwud_ | SunSparc: glad you are liking it! |
| 20:58.56 | keldwud_ | excited to hear your kids are going to get a taste of it |
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| 21:50.09 | TodPunk | I wonder if there's a Lazy Newb Pack style thing for Nethack |
| 21:50.58 | keldwud_ | nethack.alt.org and #nethack is as close as I think you'll get |
| 21:51.15 | keldwud_ | you can watch other people play on nethack.alt.org |
| 21:58.00 | SunSparc | keldwud_: I like introducing my kids to "old" technology. |
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| 21:58.56 | keldwud_ | like CRT screens, coax cables and land lines? :) |
| 22:03.01 | SunSparc | Exactly. |
| 22:03.18 | SunSparc | Once we took apart an old optical drive. That was fun. |
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| 22:10.31 | jfindlay | eightyeight: here's another bad logo for you: https://github.com/lmacken/pyrasite |
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| 22:12.17 | jfindlay | but it's public domain, so it's OK |
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| 22:24.04 | programmerq | SunSparc: I have a record player. I explained to my 6 year old how it works. |
| 22:24.34 | SunSparc | Wow, that is even better than an optical disc (which is still in common use). |
| 22:24.59 | SunSparc | I really want to take my kids to the Computer History museum in SF. |
| 22:25.23 | programmerq | yeah, I go out to SF somewhat frequently. |
| 22:25.34 | SunSparc | Have you been to the museum yet? |
| 22:25.44 | programmerq | nope, it's just a bit far to have gone |
| 22:25.56 | programmerq | I have to build in an extra day to my trip to do stuff like that |
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| 22:26.01 | programmerq | and that day has to be a non-work day. |
| 22:26.12 | SunSparc | Of course, because you will be there all day. :) |
| 22:26.42 | programmerq | but I'd like to have my 6-year-old fly out as an unaccompanied minor on a saturday, pick him up from the airport and go do that and see a few other things. |
| 22:26.49 | programmerq | and then fly back with him on a sunday evening |
| 22:26.57 | programmerq | just have to plan it and make it happen, really. |
| 22:27.10 | SunSparc | That would be fun. |
| 22:29.24 | programmerq | probably after school is over. |
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