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| 15:31.02 | frostyfrog_ | ... So it is online! |
| 15:31.40 | frostyfrog_ | grumbles. |
| 15:51.16 | frostyfrog_ | Anyone know of a good Linux DDNS client that can work with cloudflare? |
| 15:52.21 | eightyeight | https://github.com/lyoshenka/cloudflare-ddns? |
| 15:57.23 | Jayce^ | jlp_znc: https://www.reddit.com/r/wheredidthesodago/ |
| 15:58.40 | frostyfrog | Thank you eightyeight :) |
| 16:00.10 | eightyeight | np |
| 16:00.40 | programmerq | I've been using this: https://github.com/danielpigott/cloudflare-cli |
| 16:00.48 | programmerq | it's fun fully automating one-off things that need to be set up. |
| 16:01.23 | programmerq | I basically pass in a name, and my scripts create the DO droplet, set up cloudflare dns, generate a letsencrypt cert, and might even install some other stuff |
| 16:01.40 | programmerq | all so I can reproduce some one-off issue I'm working on |
| 16:01.45 | programmerq | and then I throw it all away when I'm done. |
| 16:04.20 | frostyfrog | Nice :) |
| 16:08.13 | youtah | your mom goes to college |
| 16:08.55 | programmerq | actually, my mother just graduated with her independent study degree |
| 17:00.54 | spangborn | pashdown: You should get a bit of a giggle out of this: http://www.sltrib.com/news/3738800-155/salt-lake-citys-broadway-violates-fire |
| 17:03.28 | youtah | I *hated* those bike lanes with a passion |
| 17:03.34 | youtah | when I was working on 2nd west |
| 17:03.48 | spangborn | They're really not very well designed. |
| 17:04.00 | youtah | You had effectively made a 5' wall of parked cars between the bikers and the driving vehicles. |
| 17:04.06 | spangborn | Yep. |
| 17:04.08 | youtah | Making it impossible to see each other |
| 17:04.18 | spangborn | I can't tell you the number of times I've nearly been hit approaching the intersections |
| 17:04.35 | spangborn | I don't ride in the bike lane anymore. I just ride with traffic ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 17:04.39 | youtah | You can tell a hippie, not an engineer came up with it |
| 17:05.20 | youtah | (no offense to engineers that are hippies) |
| 17:05.29 | youtah | ((okay, maybe a little bit of offense) |
| 17:05.59 | youtah | (((actually, lets go all out. Yes, it was meant to be offensive to hippies that are also engineers. It will be more entertaining that way))) |
| 17:06.13 | spangborn | It's mimicked after a Dutch design, but they're also a very bicycle centric country. |
| 17:06.20 | spangborn | That's not really the case in the US. |
| 17:06.25 | youtah | good point |
| 17:06.31 | jfindlay | I like the outer bike lanes |
| 17:06.35 | youtah | So I was right about the hippies |
| 17:06.40 | jfindlay | but I haven't ridden in them that much |
| 17:07.01 | youtah | jfindlay, if you do, treat every driveway like a cross walk |
| 17:07.01 | jfindlay | also, riding a bike in SLC is far safer than in redneck country, like Lehi |
| 17:07.15 | spangborn | If you're moving faster than say 10MPH, the bike lanes are dangerous. |
| 17:07.18 | youtah | they have bike paths in Lehi |
| 17:07.31 | spangborn | You have pedestrians step into the bike lane, open doors into the bike lane, cars pull into driveways without looking. |
| 17:07.31 | jfindlay | youtah: mainly I'm referring to the drivers |
| 17:07.34 | youtah | so I've been told |
| 17:07.35 | voldemortensen | My favorite part about biking to work is the part where the road really narrows and the bike lanes disappear. |
| 17:07.43 | voldemortensen | and a contractor like to park is trailer on the side of the road in that same spot |
| 17:07.48 | spangborn | voldemortensen: What's your route? |
| 17:07.57 | youtah | that's what she said? |
| 17:08.05 | youtah | I mean |
| 17:08.07 | youtah | ~twss |
| 17:08.08 | infobot | That's what she said! |
| 17:09.11 | voldemortensen | I ride up 75 East to 1200 North in Orem, then across 1200 North to ~700 East |
| 17:09.26 | voldemortensen | And I'm at work. |
| 17:11.46 | voldemortensen | https://www.google.com/maps/@40.3192966,-111.6931672,178m/data=!3m1!1e3 |
| 17:12.23 | voldemortensen | See that part where the road just squeezes down |
| 17:14.52 | spangborn | Ah, Orem. Scurry. |
| 17:15.07 | spangborn | UTco drivers terrify me as far as cycling around them. |
| 17:15.32 | voldemortensen | Amen. And I'm not even on the busy roads. |
| 17:15.48 | youtah | thats why they have full blown dedicated pathways |
| 17:15.59 | jfindlay | I call them republican drivers (apologies to people who identify as republican (sort of)) |
| 17:15.59 | spangborn | Yeah, all 5 miles of them ;p |
| 17:16.00 | youtah | well, in my neck of the woods they do |
| 17:16.19 | youtah | I could ride from Lehi to Bluehost on a bike path without ever touching a road |
| 17:16.38 | jfindlay | youtah: where is bluehost? |
| 17:16.48 | youtah | Old Wordperfect Campus in Orem |
| 17:16.55 | voldemortensen | 560 E Timpanogos Parkway |
| 17:17.05 | jfindlay | that's quite a distance |
| 17:17.43 | voldemortensen | I live ~1 mile from bluehost |
| 17:17.45 | youtah | yeah, that is the Lehi Rail Trail |
| 17:17.58 | youtah | they are expanding the Murdock Canal Trail |
| 17:18.03 | voldemortensen | if I wanted to bike on path, I'd have to ride past bluehost, get on a trail and bike back |
| 17:18.25 | spangborn | I ride 300 W in SLC. I get quite a few angry drivers. |
| 17:18.35 | youtah | That is supposed to later connect up with the frontage gravel rock road bike path |
| 17:18.36 | spangborn | I had an older lady in a Prius tell me I don't belong in a lane that had bike markings :) |
| 17:19.48 | youtah | I never rode the full thing |
| 17:19.53 | youtah | I am too big of a wimp |
| 17:20.24 | jfindlay | some 20 year old kid tried to tell me I didn't know how to ride a bike recently after he almost ran me over while texting on his phone |
| 17:21.09 | jlp_znc | I carry a stick when I'm walking for such occasions. |
| 17:21.35 | jfindlay | jlp_znc: to save the cyclists from the drivers? |
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| 17:29.08 | spangborn | starts a Kickstarter to make youtah not a wimp. |
| 17:29.23 | youtah | ha |
| 17:29.27 | youtah | like you'd get any backers |
| 17:29.35 | youtah | Maybe Kim |
| 17:29.37 | youtah | but that |
| 17:29.40 | youtah | but that's about it |
| 17:29.46 | spangborn | Haha, I'm sure she'd buy in. |
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| 18:02.00 | jlp_znc | jfindlay: oh, I misunderstood. I assumed the 20-year old was on the bike |
| 18:02.39 | jlp_znc | but I imagine you could trust the stick through the open window of a car just as effectively |
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| 18:03.15 | voldemortensen | peeve of the day: code where the author can't decide if they want to use snake_case or CamelCase |
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| 18:25.56 | youtah | voldemortensen, reviewing Jayce^'s code again? |
| 18:29.39 | voldemortensen | lol |
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| 19:23.34 | romanovic | voldemortensen: suggest using Camel_Snake_Case |
| 19:27.09 | voldemortensen | dies |
| 19:27.26 | voldemortensen | SCREAMING_SNAKE_CASE |
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| 19:32.45 | shalkie | snake_The_Camel_Case |
| 19:34.40 | shalkie | Snake_Plissken |
| 19:34.44 | shalkie | Cause why not? |
| 19:47.00 | Jayce^ | voldemortensen knows he'd be fired pretty darn quickly for that |
| 19:49.32 | jima | eightyeight: TIL some people believe that i share a birthday with jesus. |
| 19:49.47 | eightyeight | happy birthday |
| 19:50.00 | jima | today isn't my birthday. |
| 19:50.13 | eightyeight | in that case, happy belated birthday by 4 months |
| 19:50.17 | jima | thanks! |
| 19:50.28 | eightyeight | (i had a 50% chance on getting it right) |
| 19:50.49 | jima | based on the information you've presented, you really did...and handled being wrong with grace. ;-) |
| 19:52.00 | eightyeight | i joked at work that it's the start of 2nd quarter, and i needed to start a new PCI scan |
| 19:52.07 | eightyeight | 10O11N 02J12E06S13U05S04' 07B08I03R09T10H11D02A12Y06!13!05! |
| 19:52.35 | eightyeight | some coworkers weren't familiar with the mormon claim, so i gave them a couple links |
| 19:52.44 | eightyeight | which meant me looking into it |
| 19:52.46 | eightyeight | so, tweeter |
| 19:54.02 | eightyeight | i honestly wasn't familiar with the dec 5 probability |
| 19:54.22 | eightyeight | anyway, interesting |
| 19:54.23 | jima | me either |
| 19:54.39 | programmerq | I've actually tried to chase that down, and it seems to be only mentioned in passing in non-official channels. afaict there is no current "official" position of the church itself on jesus birthday |
| 19:54.54 | eightyeight | it all stems from D&C 20 |
| 19:54.56 | programmerq | it's been a few years since I looked anything up about that |
| 19:55.31 | eightyeight | https://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/20?lang=eng |
| 19:56.10 | programmerq | oh the part where they say the year? yeah, that's flimsy |
| 19:56.21 | eightyeight | no. the month/day |
| 19:56.36 | programmerq | yeah, they say the month/day that the revelation is happening |
| 19:57.33 | programmerq | D&C 20 is about the church being officially organized under NY law, and since it was 1830 at the time, they mentioned it was 1830 years since christ was born |
| 19:57.45 | programmerq | and some people took that to mean that it must be jesus' birthday |
| 19:58.07 | eightyeight | james e. talmage canonicalized the month day from that revelation |
| 19:58.20 | eightyeight | "We believe that Jesus Christ was born in Bethlehem of Judea, April 6, B.C. 1." |
| 19:58.44 | eightyeight | in "Jesus The Christ", way back in 1915 |
| 19:58.52 | programmerq | ah yes, that's right |
| 19:59.04 | eightyeight | and cited D&C 20 as the source |
| 19:59.26 | eightyeight | but mcconkie and clark both agreed on dec 5 |
| 19:59.33 | eightyeight | http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700094707/What-was-the-real-date-of-Jesus-birth.html?pg=all |
| 19:59.45 | eightyeight | TL;DR- talmage was off his rocker |
| 19:59.59 | eightyeight | as such, so is everyone else that buys the apr 6 claim |
| 20:00.18 | jima | eightyeight: and this is why we regularly get lds-ish questions in here ;-) |
| 20:00.25 | jima | well...semi-regularly |
| 20:00.28 | eightyeight | heh |
| 20:01.09 | eightyeight | as someone who has recently distanced himself from the lds theology, i may react somewhat salty |
| 20:01.16 | programmerq | yeah, I just vaguely remember looking it up once and I remember finding something suggesting that the "april 6" date may not be currently accepted. |
| 20:02.02 | voldemortensen | My opinion on the matter (and being LDS), is that it doesn't really matter. I know that Christ was born and performed the atonement. And I believe that judgement isn't based on knowledge of Christ's birth, but who you've become and what you've done with your life. |
| 20:02.39 | voldemortensen | birthday* |
| 20:03.29 | eightyeight | there is some value to making sure you have the birthdate at least somewhat accurate |
| 20:05.04 | voldemortensen | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.22 | eightyeight | i mean, either you celebrate his birthday with the rest of christianity on dec 25, or you change it to apr 6 |
| 20:05.38 | eightyeight | if you really believe his birthday was apr 6, why celebrate it 4 months prior? |
| 20:06.06 | voldemortensen | Why do I celebrate my birthday days or weeks before or after my actual birthday? |
| 20:06.11 | jima | because april is springtime, people don't need a cheerful holiday then :-) |
| 20:06.11 | Jayce^ | because that isn't the important part.. |
| 20:06.16 | voldemortensen | ^ |
| 20:06.17 | eightyeight | even moreso when your kid's primary teacher teaches that jesus' real birthday is in april, and dont december |
| 20:06.28 | eightyeight | "mom- why don't we celebrate jesus' birthday in april?" |
| 20:06.42 | eightyeight | s/dont/not/ |
| 20:06.51 | Jayce^ | because we already have easter which is tied more to the passover.. |
| 20:07.19 | voldemortensen | I'll take the opportunity to teach my child that it doesn't effect the outcome. |
| 20:07.28 | eightyeight | the answer is "because jesus wasn't born in april" |
| 20:11.52 | voldemortensen | For all we know an ancient document will be found that completely re-adjusts our calendar and we'll all have been off by 6 months. |
| 20:11.57 | voldemortensen | It just really doesn't matter that much. |
| 20:12.16 | eightyeight | not for you, maybe. i guarantee it matters a ton to your kids |
| 20:12.52 | Jayce^ | no, it doesn't really.. |
| 20:12.53 | eightyeight | nevermind bullying and ridicule for them claiming jesus was born in april, because that's what their church teaches |
| 20:13.27 | voldemortensen | The church doesn't teach that. Teachers who stray from lessons outlined in manuals do. |
| 20:13.43 | eightyeight | to kids, that's "the church" |
| 20:13.52 | Jayce^ | yeah, I got picked on more because we had horns and sacrificed people in our temples, much less any actual doctrine |
| 20:13.53 | eightyeight | kids don't separate fallable teachers from official doctrine |
| 20:14.16 | Jayce^ | yeah, because amazingly enough they have to grow... |
| 20:14.18 | eightyeight | i've heard horns stories. never experienced any myself |
| 20:14.34 | Jayce^ | I grew up outside of Utah.. it was normal for crap like that |
| 20:14.51 | Jayce^ | 80% of invites I ever had to other kids homes as a kid was to watch godmakers and the like |
| 20:15.21 | Jayce^ | funniest was the scientologist ones |
| 20:15.39 | eightyeight | of course kids grow up, and become adults. that doesn't change the fact their sponges while young, and soak in anything their taught at those ages |
| 20:15.49 | eightyeight | then they repeat what they learn |
| 20:16.00 | eightyeight | s/their sponges/they're sponges/ |
| 20:17.46 | Jayce^ | yeah, I remember having a teacher at about age 13 that tried telling us he knew exactly when the second coming was, and tried proving it to us... He wasn't our teacher after that week... or anything else.. |
| 20:18.01 | voldemortensen | Maybe. Maybe not. I definitely don't spew everything I learned as a kid. And that doesn't change the experiences I've had and the feelings I've felt. |
| 20:18.15 | Jayce^ | ^^ |
| 20:18.36 | voldemortensen | I don't belong to my church because other people aren't infallible. |
| 20:18.50 | Jayce^ | Heck, if I did everything my dad did as an example, I'd be having some serious issues by now |
| 20:18.53 | TodPunk | eightyeight: to be fair, there's also official scripture in D&C that is just as "wat" |
| 20:18.59 | TodPunk | like the whole 6000 year earth thing |
| 20:19.25 | TodPunk | so building from assumptions to Christ's birthday isn't that much of a stretch to the ideology |
| 20:19.31 | eightyeight | all i'm saying, is there is value to getting it somewhat correct |
| 20:19.33 | TodPunk | let alone the culture of the time |
| 20:20.02 | eightyeight | general conference used to be held for 3 days, 1 of which as apr 6 |
| 20:20.02 | voldemortensen | Sure. And within four months is somewhat correct when we're talking about all of eternity. |
| 20:20.07 | eightyeight | because "jesus' birthday" |
| 20:20.08 | Jayce^ | ~2k years is pretty correct |
| 20:20.08 | infobot | okay, Jayce^ |
| 20:20.13 | eightyeight | spencer kimball ended that |
| 20:20.16 | Jayce^ | lol, wasn't thinking about that one |
| 20:20.29 | Jayce^ | ~2k |
| 20:20.34 | voldemortensen | ~2k years |
| 20:20.34 | infobot | hmm... 2k years is pretty correct |
| 20:20.45 | voldemortensen | it recognizes spaces I guess |
| 20:21.00 | TodPunk | wow |
| 20:21.01 | voldemortensen | ~literal 2k years |
| 20:21.01 | infobot | "2k years" is "pretty correct" |
| 20:21.09 | TodPunk | what have you done, Jayce^? |
| 20:21.14 | Jayce^ | mwahahahahaha |
| 20:21.17 | TodPunk | What has science wrought?!?! |
| 20:23.57 | eightyeight | science is all wrong. all you need is faith. |
| 20:24.08 | Jayce^ | goign back to the childhood invites, I remember once some pastor or parent challenging me on some odd detail about the LDS church.. my response was something along the lines of "I'm 10, and I'm not even baptized, how should I know" |
| 20:24.19 | eightyeight | haha |
| 20:24.41 | eightyeight | "i'm a kid dude. i don't have a doctorate in theology. come back when i'm at least 14. geez." |
| 20:25.44 | voldemortensen | As J. Golden Kimball said, if the church wasn't true, ignoramus missionaries would've destroyed it by now. |
| 20:28.49 | TodPunk | He also said leadership was less authority and more relation |
| 20:28.54 | eightyeight | it's not true |
| 20:29.27 | voldemortensen | I quoted in jest. |
| 20:29.28 | eightyeight | its own history will destroy it, thanks to the wealth of information on the cyberhighway |
| 20:29.31 | eightyeight | :) |
| 20:29.39 | voldemortensen | because teenagers |
| 20:30.14 | TodPunk | I find it interesting that it's declining membership so quickly in the US |
| 20:30.26 | Jayce^ | It's true... I found out the hard way.. |
| 20:30.51 | TodPunk | I don't know if it's true or not, but I do know it doesn't matter at all |
| 20:37.41 | joshh | if it does turn out to be true, i guess we can eat some crow |
| 20:38.41 | joshh | with billions of people on earth who don't believe it is though, as well as all the people who have never even heard of it, we won't be in bad company in whatever kingdom we end up in |
| 20:41.41 | TodPunk | youtah: I have that camera doing motion detection event correctly now, btw |
| 20:42.18 | TodPunk | granted it's pointing at my porch now, sadly. |
| 20:42.43 | youtah | Anything interesting or fun you saw last night? |
| 20:43.46 | TodPunk | youtah: no, I didn't have it recording at all, just pointed. |
| 20:44.01 | TodPunk | The night vision is just too far for it to have caught anything useful |
| 20:45.52 | eightyeight | joshh: https://twitter.com/Gr8Darwinians/status/620274837022482433 |
| 20:51.13 | joshh | ya that makes one wonder |
| 20:51.39 | joshh | then again maybe all those other planets have different gods |
| 20:52.10 | joshh | do mormons believe all the different gods/planets are in the same "universe"? |
| 20:52.10 | eightyeight | i won't rule out a $SUPREME_BEING, but yeah, i'll take a lot of the writings with a grain of salt |
| 20:52.54 | eightyeight | yeah. they believe in 1 god, worlds without number, inhabited by creations without number |
| 20:53.05 | eightyeight | for that universe |
| 20:53.16 | eightyeight | there may be different gods for different universes |
| 20:53.21 | joshh | so the getting your own planet thing is more like your own universe? |
| 20:53.27 | eightyeight | and only jesus came to our planet in our universe |
| 20:53.42 | eightyeight | yeah |
| 20:54.05 | TodPunk | the mechanics of it might not be understandable, and the terms definitely don't mesh with the scientific equivalents |
| 20:54.13 | joshh | sure |
| 20:54.48 | joshh | but it's normally referred to as your "planet" from what i can tell |
| 20:55.12 | eightyeight | they also believe it's not important to their salvation to solve $OTHER_{UNIVERSES,GODS,WORLDS} problems |
| 20:55.16 | jlp_znc | wow, you wander off to do some work for a couple of hours and blammie! the channel is filled withrehetoric! |
| 20:55.18 | joshh | then again i haven't discussed it or read anything about it for a lot of years |
| 20:55.28 | eightyeight | all that's important is $MY_{UNIVERSE,GOD,WORLD} |
| 20:55.32 | joshh | eightyeight: are you out of it now? |
| 20:55.37 | eightyeight | yeah |
| 20:55.57 | eightyeight | i haven't had my name officially removed from the church. i think that will do too much emotional damage to my family |
| 20:56.05 | eightyeight | but i don't buy it any longer |
| 20:56.27 | eightyeight | i consider myself "retired mormon" |
| 20:59.50 | eightyeight | my temple recommend is still valid until july. i'll go to my bishop, and chat with him about my unbelief and address the questions that he would normally ask |
| 20:59.55 | eightyeight | i don't expect it to get renewed |
| 21:00.14 | eightyeight | i still wear the undergarments also. mostly just because they're comfortable (i've been wearing them for 20 years) |
| 21:00.38 | eightyeight | taking those off will indeed create some emotional stress with my wife, and i'm not quite ready for that either |
| 21:00.56 | joshh | heh ya, one thing at a time |
| 21:01.00 | eightyeight | so, baby steps |
| 21:01.12 | Jayce^ | wait, you haven't even told your wife? |
| 21:01.19 | eightyeight | she knows |
| 21:01.26 | eightyeight | i tell her everything |
| 21:01.30 | Jayce^ | ah, ok |
| 21:01.30 | joshh | let me know when you start loving beer, i need to swing by xm next time im in slc |
| 21:01.36 | eightyeight | haha |
| 21:01.49 | TodPunk | I love beer! |
| 21:02.09 | joshh | i think benjamin franklin nailed it, regarding beer |
| 21:02.27 | joshh | that beer is proof god loves us and wants us to be happy |
| 21:02.36 | Jayce^ | no wait, that's homer :-p |
| 21:02.51 | joshh | lol |
| 21:02.54 | eightyeight | don't forget weed |
| 21:03.02 | TodPunk | weed is a different proof |
| 21:03.15 | eightyeight | that'll very much be legal within $VERY_SOON_YEARS |
| 21:03.28 | eightyeight | then being legal, it will no longer be against the word of wisdom! win for mormons! |
| 21:03.58 | joshh | its not against the wow currently right |
| 21:04.14 | joshh | like if you're a mormon in amsterdam, you're fine |
| 21:04.16 | eightyeight | coffe, tea, tobacco, alcohol, and "illegal drugs" |
| 21:04.27 | eightyeight | so, colorado mormons are good |
| 21:04.34 | TodPunk | goes to Seattle |
| 21:04.36 | joshh | but since the church hates federal law, colorado is fine too, ya |
| 21:04.42 | TodPunk | oh wait, it doesn't matter to me, I don't want to |
| 21:05.13 | eightyeight | alcohol doesn't interest me, actually. but i'm looking forward to legalized recreational weed |
| 21:05.21 | joshh | have you ever tried it? |
| 21:05.29 | eightyeight | weed? of course. who hasn't? |
| 21:05.37 | programmerq | raises hand |
| 21:05.41 | Jayce^ | too |
| 21:05.47 | jlp_znc | me, also |
| 21:05.48 | Jayce^ | well, contact high doesnt' count :) |
| 21:05.59 | jlp_znc | not that it wasn't available |
| 21:06.00 | Jayce^ | can't grow up in WA without that.. |
| 21:06.19 | voldemortensen | also hasn't |
| 21:06.27 | joshh | lol i have a coworker from humboldt county, and he grew up not knowing any adults who weren't growers |
| 21:06.35 | eightyeight | missing out |
| 21:06.41 | voldemortensen | meh |
| 21:07.00 | eightyeight | although, to be fair, i actually got naseous the first few times |
| 21:07.04 | eightyeight | got sick to my stomach |
| 21:07.05 | joshh | i thought the non-madsen bill would pass in UT this year |
| 21:07.05 | Jayce^ | just about every time I went camping in more public areas, folks would have dedicated tents or shelters |
| 21:07.14 | programmerq | without ever having done anything, I'm mildly curious about weed, but not interested in smoking it. mushrooms by far seem the most intriguing. alcohol is also somewhat interesting, but I think that may be because it's the popular thing in startup culture |
| 21:07.18 | Jayce^ | the bio/pharma ties killed it |
| 21:07.38 | Jayce^ | madsen's almost made it and probably would have if he and some close folks hadn't been so whiney.. |
| 21:07.50 | joshh | programmerq: i loved mushrooms when i was in high school, but the last time i had them around age 25 was a bad experience, and i haven't felt the urge since |
| 21:07.52 | Jayce^ | basically they sabatoged their own bill with their interactions, otherwise it would have |
| 21:08.15 | eightyeight | joshh: yeah. that was me too. tried them in high school, got sick (same with weed), didn't really go back |
| 21:08.19 | voldemortensen | I'm ok living without: https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana |
| 21:08.23 | voldemortensen | additionally, |
| 21:08.29 | voldemortensen | it may be legal in the state |
| 21:08.37 | voldemortensen | but its still a federal crime |
| 21:09.05 | programmerq | it's also illegal to throw a snowball in provo |
| 21:09.06 | Jayce^ | the joys of the 10th discussions (one of the main basis of the church's statement about the legality this year).. |
| 21:09.15 | Jayce^ | I'm pro 10th, so I encourage pushing that side |
| 21:09.24 | joshh | 10th? |
| 21:09.32 | Jayce^ | 10th ammendment |
| 21:09.47 | Jayce^ | basis of the right of states to legalize weed against federal policy |
| 21:10.05 | joshh | programmerq: but ya, i'd probably recommend trying a psychedelic at least once, in a comfortable/safe situation |
| 21:10.14 | Jayce^ | and why I laugh at people who love seeing it used in one place, and not another (say weed vs land rights).. |
| 21:10.35 | eightyeight | i've seen a number of positive benefits from marijuana out of my brother |
| 21:11.10 | joshh | i know ultra successful and utterly unsuccessful people who do and do not smoke weed |
| 21:11.14 | eightyeight | he's no longer depressed and much happier and energetic. removes a great deal of stress. sleeps easier. no longer has stomach pains. ... |
| 21:11.23 | joshh | people will be what they make of themselves period |
| 21:11.24 | Jayce^ | my nephew would probably be greatly helped by cannabis oil, but not exactly something rec there.. |
| 21:11.57 | eightyeight | i'm not keen on smoking it, because of some lung risks, but i'm down with digesting it |
| 21:12.11 | *** join/#utah SunSparc (~jonathan@45.56.57.85) |
| 21:12.12 | programmerq | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciQ4ErmhO7g - this was an interesting tedtalk |
| 21:12.17 | joshh | Jayce^: i like states rights when they give you extra freedom, like allowing somethign the feds prohibit, but not when they just add extra rules and ban things that other states allow |
| 21:12.58 | joshh | gay marriage and legal weed are good examples of states rights |
| 21:13.12 | joshh | but utah's 3.2 beer only on tap is a bad case |
| 21:13.59 | eightyeight | on the other hand, i'd rather not have gun rights in the state. i'd rather that freedom be greatly reduced |
| 21:14.34 | joshh | im not anti-gun, but do think it should be purely federally regulated |
| 21:14.38 | SunSparc | greatly reduced to law abiding citizens, of course. :) |
| 21:14.41 | eightyeight | i'm not anti-gun either |
| 21:14.51 | Jayce^ | it is federally regulated, "Shall not be infringed" |
| 21:14.52 | joshh | because it's dumb that some guns are legal in some states but not others |
| 21:14.57 | eightyeight | although, i do believe it should be a privelege, not a right |
| 21:15.07 | eightyeight | so, i am pro repealing the 2nd amendment |
| 21:15.33 | eightyeight | is a gun owner also |
| 21:15.34 | SunSparc | The second amendment does not make a right. It just hightlights it. |
| 21:15.47 | SunSparc | The constitution does not give any rights. |
| 21:15.52 | eightyeight | agreed |
| 21:15.56 | SunSparc | Rights are God Given. :D |
| 21:16.00 | Jayce^ | ^^ |
| 21:16.06 | eightyeight | by repealing the amendment, it can no longer be guaranteed |
| 21:16.08 | joshh | i own no guns, besides some rifles and shotguns i leave at my dads house, but sometimes i toy with the idea of buying one |
| 21:16.21 | joshh | but like, the CA roster for handguns is stupid |
| 21:16.23 | Jayce^ | the constitution stipulates that the government has the job to guarantee that right |
| 21:16.32 | SunSparc | Yes |
| 21:16.33 | joshh | it seems like everything here is legal besides guns |
| 21:16.40 | eightyeight | am i talking into /dev/null? |
| 21:16.44 | eightyeight | taps the mic |
| 21:17.03 | Jayce^ | joshh: pretty much everything CA firearms related is stupid |
| 21:17.07 | joshh | yes |
| 21:17.14 | SunSparc | ~give eightyeight some https://devnull-as-a-service.com/ |
| 21:17.15 | infobot | ACTION gives some https://devnull-as-a-service.com/ to eightyeight |
| 21:17.27 | Jayce^ | eightyeight: you are heard, just seen as nuts :) |
| 21:17.38 | eightyeight | ok. just checking. |
| 21:17.41 | eightyeight | i'm okay with that. :) |
| 21:17.47 | SunSparc | lol |
| 21:18.17 | SunSparc | It is an interesting approach, repeal the second amendment and get the feds out of it altogether... |
| 21:18.29 | eightyeight | guns and cars |
| 21:18.41 | eightyeight | operating one is illegal without a license |
| 21:18.52 | eightyeight | make the states regulate the licensing |
| 21:18.58 | SunSparc | sex, drugs, rock and roll |
| 21:19.07 | Jayce^ | well, operating one is only illegal on publicly owned roads (long debates on that) |
| 21:19.15 | eightyeight | you get the idea |
| 21:19.31 | Jayce^ | that's the california stupidity referred to |
| 21:19.49 | Jayce^ | oh, it's not illegal, we just put a prohibitive tax on it... |
| 21:19.51 | voldemortensen | What I don't get is how you have to have a license to drive a car, but no sort of test to have kids. |
| 21:19.52 | eightyeight | i'm not familiar enough with CA state law re: firearms |
| 21:19.53 | Jayce^ | or required a "test" |
| 21:20.24 | Jayce^ | Or speak, I mean we should require an internet license before people can get online |
| 21:20.29 | SunSparc | voldemortensen: And why do they not come with manuals/ |
| 21:20.36 | voldemortensen | ^this |
| 21:20.52 | SunSparc | :) |
| 21:21.11 | programmerq | is sitting outside in the sun. |
| 21:21.12 | Jayce^ | kinda like women, I swear I wish my wife and daughters had manuals... |
| 21:21.13 | joshh | the gun laws here make no sense at all |
| 21:21.18 | joshh | it's like the zion curtain in utah |
| 21:21.19 | programmerq | needs an antiglare filter for his laptop |
| 21:21.39 | joshh | basically a bunch of rules made by people who know nothing about guns |
| 21:21.45 | Jayce^ | ^^ |
| 21:21.53 | eightyeight | joshh: sounds like utah and alcohol |
| 21:21.54 | SunSparc | programmerq: Put a towel over it. |
| 21:22.02 | joshh | it's basically exactly like that |
| 21:22.06 | voldemortensen | kinda like the CISA that got in the budget bill |
| 21:22.11 | SunSparc | joshh: I think you just described all laws. |
| 21:22.20 | Jayce^ | my city just got a code overturned thankfully.. people snuck in a rule that /any/ public event in the city required a weapons ban (even concealed).. |
| 21:22.22 | eightyeight | or christians and "family values" |
| 21:22.26 | eightyeight | ducks |
| 21:22.37 | Jayce^ | of course that's unconstitutional, and they got rid of it this year |
| 21:23.54 | Jayce^ | knowing the person who had pushed it in, I was happy to see her have a hissy fit when it was removed.. |
| 21:24.06 | SunSparc | Governments are a nice idea, for protecting property, but governments require so much citizen oversight that they quickly get out of hand. |
| 21:24.21 | voldemortensen | The other thing I don't understand is the assumption that because someone has a set of values they must have always and continue to always live perfectly by those values or those values can't possibly be correct. |
| 21:25.10 | voldemortensen | Gasp! Someone made a mistake! Their *ology must not be correct! |
| 21:25.19 | SunSparc | Yeah, hypocritical. |
| 21:25.35 | programmerq | SunSparc: then I'd have to be under the towel too, and then I would basically be inside again, which defeatus the purpose of being outside. :p |
| 21:25.40 | eightyeight | meh. it's the hypocrisy that gets old |
| 21:26.20 | SunSparc | programmerq: True... oh, I got it, get an |
| 21:26.20 | SunSparc | Search Results |
| 21:26.21 | eightyeight | if you're not living the "family values" lifestyle (like molesting your siblings, or having an affair), then don't preach it |
| 21:26.23 | SunSparc | Oculus Rift |
| 21:26.35 | voldemortensen | What if you know its right? |
| 21:26.42 | programmerq | actually, I'm going to get the vive instead of the rift. |
| 21:26.55 | joshh | voldemortensen: there are some cases of that, but also real hypocrisy |
| 21:26.57 | eightyeight | "i know hypocrisy is true" |
| 21:27.06 | Jayce^ | programmerq: been working from home on Thursdays, we should do lunch sometime.. |
| 21:27.15 | SunSparc | eightyeight: haha |
| 21:27.30 | SunSparc | programmerq: I have not looked much at the HTC offering. |
| 21:28.00 | joshh | in many cases that sort of hypocrisy is not just "a mistake" though |
| 21:28.01 | Jayce^ | the problem with the HTC.. how long until they finish their cash-burn and are just a crater for another company to buy up? |
| 21:28.42 | Jayce^ | joshh: then you can usually tell by how the community around them reacts... is that an acceptable act, or is it seen as bad.. |
| 21:29.15 | eightyeight | still curious about the ted cruz affair allegations now that the 'dc madam' blackbook has made some news |
| 21:29.34 | joshh | affairs are quaint these days |
| 21:29.41 | Jayce^ | say a VA governor who is caught and basically has a career that is salted earth, vs a similar act taht actually causes a politician to go up in the polls by their base |
| 21:29.43 | eightyeight | seems like there's some smoke here, and where there's smoke... |
| 21:29.45 | joshh | barely even considered a bad thing anymore |
| 21:29.58 | Jayce^ | where there's smoke, there's trump? |
| 21:29.58 | eightyeight | again, "family values" |
| 21:30.03 | eightyeight | otherwise, no one would care |
| 21:30.42 | voldemortensen | A mistake/error/whatever is still a $1. That doesn't change truth. Regardless of ones ability or decision to accept it. |
| 21:31.07 | voldemortensen | And its a moral obligation to stand up for said truth if one knows it, even if they don't accept it. |
| 21:31.27 | joshh | what's an example of what you're talking about |
| 21:33.09 | *** join/#utah RuShan (~RuShan@68.69.169.116) |
| 21:33.35 | SunSparc | voldemortensen, don't go away mad |
| 21:33.47 | Jayce^ | heh, saw him walking out of the building a minute ago for home, don't think he saw your question |
| 21:34.00 | Jayce^ | time to head home as well |
| 21:34.05 | Jayce^ | enjoy some springtime |
| 21:34.06 | SunSparc | Rage quit. |
| 21:34.11 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 21:34.18 | SunSparc | Yeah, it is a beautiful day out. |
| 21:34.27 | spangborn | TBF, I get ragey when I'm stuck inside on a nice day, too ;p |
| 21:34.30 | Jayce^ | nah, he's gotta bike home, so probably just trying to enjoy it |
| 21:34.45 | SunSparc | spangborn: Right!? |
| 21:35.04 | spangborn | That's why I went for a ride at lunch, midway through debugging a colossal mess of JavaScript. |
| 21:35.10 | SunSparc | I get to hike the Y with Scouts tonight. :D |
| 21:35.19 | spangborn | Bring fireworks. |
| 21:35.26 | SunSparc | Haha |
| 21:36.01 | SunSparc | A mess of JavaScript could make me rage quit also. :D |
| 21:36.19 | spangborn | I only just now fixed it. :/ |
| 21:36.30 | SunSparc | Way to go! |
| 21:36.32 | spangborn | It was a "why does this even work?" Kind of days. |
| 21:36.47 | *** join/#utah voldemortensen (~Adium@216.50.142.194) |
| 21:37.03 | spangborn | voldemortensen: You can IRC from your bike? ;p |
| 21:37.31 | voldemortensen | No, I forgot that my wife dropped my off this morning so I'm outside waiting for her. |
| 21:37.49 | SunSparc | Haha, we were just talking about your rage quitting. |
| 21:37.55 | SunSparc | spangborn: http://plasmasturm.org/log/6debug/ |
| 21:38.12 | spangborn | Precisely. |
| 21:38.17 | SunSparc | :) |
| 21:38.22 | spangborn | Stages 1-4 were yesterday. |
| 21:38.24 | voldemortensen | nope, I just have places to be and don't have znc setup |
| 21:38.41 | SunSparc | spangborn: Well at least it is over. For now. |
| 21:38.59 | programmerq | I've been itching to put in my vive order for too long. I'm one click away from doing it now. |
| 21:39.01 | spangborn | Well, until the backend devs decide to dabble in JS again. |
| 21:39.21 | SunSparc | voldemortensen: I have considered doing something like znc. |
| 21:39.29 | spangborn | pets zinc |
| 21:39.32 | spangborn | *znc |
| 21:39.37 | spangborn | Autocorrect is killin' me. |
| 21:39.51 | SunSparc | Turn if off. |
| 21:39.51 | programmerq | I run weechat in tmux on a VPS |
| 21:40.06 | eightyeight | weechat+tmux ftw |
| 21:40.09 | SunSparc | is still rockin the irssi |
| 21:40.16 | eightyeight | i did run znc, but never really used it |
| 21:40.18 | TodPunk | I'm really enjoying Quassel |
| 21:40.20 | eightyeight | after weechat relay |
| 21:40.21 | programmerq | I used to use irssi, but weechat was just a touch nicer. |
| 21:40.29 | spangborn | ZNC is slick for me, because I can use any client on any platform. |
| 21:40.35 | eightyeight | weechat android is soooooo nice |
| 21:40.37 | programmerq | I didn't like the znc route since timestamps aren't part of the IRC protocol, znc has to fill them in |
| 21:40.40 | spangborn | Currently typing this on Palaver for iOS. |
| 21:41.16 | TodPunk | I'd like quassel more if I didn't have to use their clients, yeah |
| 21:41.32 | SunSparc | It is nice that there are still so many good options for IRC clients these days. |
| 21:41.32 | spangborn | I should attempt to setup ZNC for Slack, too. |
| 21:41.33 | TodPunk | or if their config wasn't QT serialized |
| 21:41.38 | voldemortensen | I wouldn't mind doing it on a vps. Just given the nature of how I treat my vps, I can't guarantee it will always be running :) |
| 21:41.57 | programmerq | I am on a 6sync vps |
| 21:41.59 | SunSparc | Slave driver! :) |
| 21:42.10 | programmerq | I could move to digitalocean and get comparable resources for like $10 cheaper/month |
| 21:42.15 | programmerq | I just haven't done the conversion |
| 21:42.24 | SunSparc | DigitalOcean++ |
| 21:42.33 | programmerq | if my ISP would be willing to give me a second IP, I'd be happy to move some stuff to my homelab |
| 21:42.36 | TodPunk | has a $40/mo colocated 1U server with a /29 |
| 21:42.40 | programmerq | but so far they only give out _one_ |
| 21:42.43 | SunSparc | ~karma DigitalOcean |
| 21:42.43 | infobot | digitalocean has neutral karma |
| 21:42.49 | SunSparc | ~DigitalOcean++ |
| 21:42.55 | TodPunk | ~DigitalOcean-- |
| 21:42.59 | SunSparc | Hey! |
| 21:42.59 | TodPunk | I don't like them at all |
| 21:43.02 | SunSparc | lol |
| 21:43.04 | voldemortensen | I do some side work for a company that has a VPS on dreamhost |
| 21:43.06 | programmerq | TodPunk: why? |
| 21:43.08 | spangborn | I pay $15/mo with NoSupportVPS |
| 21:43.10 | SunSparc | ~karma TodPunk |
| 21:43.10 | infobot | todpunk has neutral karma |
| 21:43.17 | voldemortensen | git gc âaggressive totally nuked it. |
| 21:43.18 | TodPunk | ~TodPunk-- |
| 21:43.27 | TodPunk | bah |
| 21:44.04 | TodPunk | programmerq: price and I don't trust their configs most of the time. I prefer to roll my own AWS box |
| 21:44.05 | SunSparc | has really been enjoying DigitalOcean for a couple years now. |
| 21:44.30 | SunSparc | AWS is great, just a bit more pricey. |
| 21:44.39 | programmerq | but aws doesn't have ipv6 support, and they have the weird natting approach which can be annoying. |
| 21:44.48 | shalkie | +1 for digital ocean |
| 21:44.50 | SunSparc | Linode has great offerings also. |
| 21:44.59 | TodPunk | Linode has not kept up with the times |
| 21:45.06 | shalkie | Though I like the ability to roll out the occasional Windows box on AWS. |
| 21:45.19 | SunSparc | ~lart Windows |
| 21:45.19 | infobot | takes a large goose feather pillow and swings it wildly in Windows's direction, hitting Windows and sending Windows flying into the closet |
| 21:45.46 | SunSparc | ~karma IE |
| 21:45.46 | infobot | ie has karma of -666 |
| 21:45.49 | SunSparc | Perfect |
| 21:45.52 | eightyeight | haha |
| 21:46.04 | eightyeight | ~IE-- |
| 21:46.09 | SunSparc | NOOOOOOO |
| 21:46.13 | eightyeight | ~karma IE |
| 21:46.13 | infobot | ie has karma of -667 |
| 21:46.18 | eightyeight | \o/ |
| 21:46.24 | spangborn | Who uses IPv6 anyway? ;p |
| 21:46.37 | eightyeight | SunSparc: now you're forced to vote it up. can you do it? >:) |
| 21:46.38 | TodPunk | Windows |
| 21:46.39 | voldemortensen | ~IE is the worst |
| 21:46.39 | infobot | ...but ie is already something else... |
| 21:46.40 | shalkie | Now some poor soul is going to have to +1 IE |
| 21:46.48 | SunSparc | tries to use IPv6, just for fun and experience |
| 21:46.49 | TodPunk | ~IE is also the worst |
| 21:46.49 | infobot | TodPunk: okay |
| 21:46.56 | spangborn | ~IE++ |
| 21:46.57 | SunSparc | eightyeight: Exactly! Not cool :) |
| 21:47.05 | spangborn | takes a bullet for the team |
| 21:47.05 | eightyeight | haha |
| 21:47.09 | voldemortensen | ~IE |
| 21:47.09 | infobot | ie is, like, the domain suffix for Ireland, or Internet Explorer, or the browser of the Devil, or the worst browser in the entire universe and it should be eliminated by any means possible, or the spawn of evil, nay all evil spawns from ie, or the worst |
| 21:47.18 | TodPunk | ipv6 needs better support than requiring a CCNP to deploy |
| 21:47.22 | SunSparc | voldemortensen: Let me handle this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubgzuwB_OPQ |
| 21:47.33 | spangborn | ~karma IE |
| 21:47.33 | infobot | ie has karma of -666 |
| 21:47.52 | SunSparc | Good job spangborn |
| 21:47.58 | jima | TodPunk: i'm not a CCanything, and i've been using ipv6 for 13+ years |
| 21:48.05 | spangborn | Newest IE isn't *terrible* |
| 21:48.15 | programmerq | yeah, I've got ipv6 running on my home network okay (via a tunnel) |
| 21:48.18 | spangborn | Edge is better than 11, too. |
| 21:48.21 | jima | TodPunk: fun fact: i wouldn't live in utah if not for ipv6. |
| 21:48.24 | SunSparc | jima: Wow! Bleeding edge much? |
| 21:48.24 | programmerq | and I've set up ipv6 on 6sync and digitalocean |
| 21:48.24 | eightyeight | spangborn: that's what they said when IE6 was released. :) |
| 21:48.39 | jima | SunSparc: more bleeding-edge than sparc kit ;-) |
| 21:48.41 | spangborn | I mean, it at least has support for CORS now. |
| 21:48.49 | SunSparc | jima: lol |
| 21:48.55 | jima | SunSparc: (and linux/sparc used to be one of my other oddball specialties) |
| 21:49.13 | TodPunk | jima: you and me using ipv6 is meaningless until it's adopted more, and it's barrier to adoption is the same thing as all tech's adoption has always been: it takes a you or me to do it |
| 21:49.25 | SunSparc | jima: That is actually where I started my linuxfu. |
| 21:49.43 | TodPunk | when someone can buy a thing from best buy, follow a pamphlet with color coded labels, and be on ipv6 with their Mac or Windows PC, then it will be a thing |
| 21:49.47 | jima | TodPunk: i actually schooled my CCNA (i think?) on ipv6 a fair amount |
| 21:50.04 | TodPunk | you're really focusing too much on a term and not enough on the point |
| 21:50.12 | jima | TodPunk: comcast's default kit does ipv6 oob now |
| 21:50.41 | TodPunk | wonders if his colo does ipv6 |
| 21:50.46 | jima | windows has had ipv6 enabled by default since vista, osx probably somewhere around the same era |
| 21:50.50 | jima | TodPunk: who? |
| 21:50.55 | TodPunk | vi.net |
| 21:51.27 | TodPunk | I probably have to request a thing |
| 21:51.41 | jima | TodPunk: if the ip 109.123.110.185 (vi.net) has any significance, their ASN has ipv6 |
| 21:52.46 | spangborn | My Sweden-based VPS has IPv6 and it causes all sorts of issues for apt-get |
| 21:53.07 | jima | TodPunk: i was somewhat latching on to the CCNP comment, but it's not really that...a CCNP doesn't even come close to equating to any ipv6 clue, and there are tons of cert-less ipv6 experts out there. |
| 21:53.31 | jima | in some contexts it requires a you/me to deploy, but not all contexts |
| 21:53.32 | TodPunk | I think my point was that it needs a lot of education |
| 21:53.43 | SunSparc | Namecheap supports IPv6 DNS. |
| 21:53.45 | TodPunk | devs too, to an extent |
| 21:55.02 | jima | TodPunk: the bigger problem, imo, is that many IT people are completely unwilling to even address it (pun unintended), and waaay too many are even in denial that it needs to happen. |
| 21:55.05 | TodPunk | then again, I know too many devs that don't even know what a network is, really. This seemed really shocking to early-career-me, who thought to be a dev one surely had to know quite a bit about how a computer worked, from hardware to OS to protocols |
| 21:55.30 | jima | TodPunk: the problem for devs is antiquated APIs |
| 21:55.50 | jima | any modern system calls, you just add a AAAA record and they chug along |
| 21:55.51 | SunSparc | Yep, ignorance it a big part of the problem. |
| 21:56.29 | SunSparc | Ignorance is a big part of ANY problem. :D |
| 21:56.41 | programmerq | I just ordered the vive. http://i.imgur.com/lOm0DdB.jpg |
| 21:56.43 | TodPunk | well, to be honest, I'm not willing to address it until it is as easy as putting some extra lines in my config. I think that might be the case for some things, but not all the things. Last time (a couple years ago) that I looked at doing it in my router it was a nightmare |
| 21:57.03 | TodPunk | good man, programmerq |
| 21:57.10 | jima | SunSparc: sparc isn't where i got my start, but i spent some fun years mucking with anything from lx to ultra 10 |
| 21:57.13 | programmerq | in my router, I had to put in a few settings from the HE tunnel website, and that was it. |
| 21:57.16 | SunSparc | programmerq: congrats! |
| 21:57.38 | SunSparc | jima: Yeah, the sparc family was fun to play with. |
| 21:57.40 | programmerq | on ipv6 native ISPs, all you should need to do is enable router advertisements and enable a dhcpd-pd client |
| 21:57.46 | jima | programmerq: unfortunately, that's more effort than most people are willing to invest. (cool, though!) |
| 21:58.10 | jima | programmerq: oh wait, we're in #ipv6 together, derp ;-) |
| 21:58.11 | programmerq | depending on the UI implementation should really only boil down to a checkbox |
| 21:58.31 | TodPunk | it should, but it doesn't |
| 21:58.36 | programmerq | yeah, I think I needed some advice from them on getting my tunnel config tweaked just right. I think I had a typo :/ |
| 21:58.50 | TodPunk | my mikrotik is going to be a lot of nonsense still, it seems |
| 21:59.03 | programmerq | TodPunk: once dhcpd-pd is as ubiquitos as using dhcp for ipv4 on home routers, it should be comparable is all I'm saying. |
| 21:59.11 | jima | programmerq: mix-up between point-to-point and routed subnets maybe? that's probably the most common mistake with HE. |
| 21:59.20 | programmerq | yeah, that sounds about right. |
| 21:59.23 | TodPunk | I think centurylink supports ipv6 though |
| 21:59.28 | programmerq | but I didn't need a CCSP to do it |
| 21:59.31 | SunSparc | reads about enabling IPv6 on a DigitalOcean droplet: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-enable-ipv6-for-digitalocean-droplets |
| 21:59.32 | jima | it doesn't help that they're usually like 1 character different. |
| 21:59.53 | jima | TodPunk: depends on the level. my work has a metro ethernet circuit with native v6, yes. |
| 22:00.06 | jima | their dsl...i think you'd have to use 6rd |
| 22:00.40 | TodPunk | I have their fiber |
| 22:00.43 | keldwud | hey so the opening on my team has been posted, if anyone is interested, PM me and I'll give you the link |
| 22:00.46 | jima | ok, calling it a day. have a nice night, all! |
| 22:00.47 | keldwud | devops position in slc |
| 22:00.53 | keldwud | downtown |
| 22:01.00 | jima | TodPunk: i'm genuinely curious if they have v6 on that |
| 22:01.16 | TodPunk | well, when I don't have a mikrotik anymore I'll probably look into it and tell you if I remember |
| 22:02.25 | SunSparc | later jima |
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| 22:14.35 | unum | anyone have any experience with dev mountain? |
| 22:15.26 | frostyfrog | I don't. >_> |
| 22:17.18 | eightyeight | /dev/mountain ? |
| 22:18.25 | unum | cat /dev/mountain/snow |
| 22:18.35 | unum | * * * * * * * * |
| 22:19.42 | frostyfrog | dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/mountain/snow bs=440 count=1 |
| 22:20.00 | programmerq | cat /dev/mountain returned this for me: |
| 22:20.02 | programmerq | https://www.wildlife.ca.gov/portals/0/Images/OCEO/KeepMeWild/kmw-mountain-lion.jpg |
| 22:22.12 | unum | they're a programming boot camp, I have neighbor who's son is interested |
| 22:22.43 | unum | I really wish are UCAT was seen as a viable path to a tech career |
| 22:22.52 | unum | s/are// |
| 22:23.19 | eightyeight | https://twitter.com/AaronToponce/status/717839240919318528 |
| 22:23.33 | eightyeight | ^ this is what happens when you are doing pci audits, and you get horribly bored |
| 22:23.47 | eightyeight | you start thinking of creative ways to reseed the kernelspace CSPRNG |
| 22:23.48 | programmerq | lol |
| 22:23.58 | programmerq | just connect a microphone |
| 22:24.07 | eightyeight | to a VM? |
| 22:24.48 | programmerq | the VM runs on some hardware |
| 22:24.57 | eightyeight | too much work |
| 22:25.11 | programmerq | iirc, VMs, depending on their hypervisor, can use the host's source of entropy as a virtual entropy device |
| 22:25.19 | eightyeight | and they do |
| 22:25.27 | programmerq | and then you connect the actual hardware entropy source to the host's kernel |
| 22:25.33 | frostyfrog | Wait, writing to /dev/random reseeds a box? |
| 22:25.41 | eightyeight | reseeds the RNG |
| 22:25.57 | frostyfrog | Neat :) |
| 22:26.02 | eightyeight | the point, of course, is taking some state of one box's RNG, and feeding into the state of a different box |
| 22:26.17 | eightyeight | so they're related, in some weird crypto way |
| 22:26.22 | frostyfrog | xD |
| 22:27.06 | eightyeight | frostyfrog: /dev/{,u}random is world-writable. sending data to it, even 100% predictable 0-entropy data, is harmless |
| 22:27.16 | eightyeight | worst case, entropy doesn't increase |
| 22:27.53 | eightyeight | but, you probably have a /etc/init.d/urandom script responsible for saving some RNG state to /var/lib/urandom/random-seed, that is read on boot |
| 22:28.15 | eightyeight | in this case, i'm saving some RNG state from one box to another. because bored. |
| 22:29.55 | frostyfrog | :P |
| 22:32.51 | frostyfrog | now uses the fancy systemd, though systemd likes to take control of everything :( |
| 22:33.12 | eightyeight | <3 systemd |
| 22:33.32 | eightyeight | there is an analagous config for urandom seeding |
| 22:35.20 | eightyeight | /lib/systemd/system/systemd-random-seed.service |
| 22:35.37 | frostyfrog | Did you know that you can set systemd & your hardware up so that it hard reboots if it hangs? :P Has a fancy watchdog service. |
| 22:35.54 | eightyeight | systemd is sex |
| 22:37.01 | frostyfrog | doesn't quite like systemd-networkd. There are better programs for that. |
| 22:40.50 | eightyeight | i haven't jumped into that yet. i'm fine with /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 22:46.08 | frostyfrog | nods. |
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| 23:35.13 | joshh | TodPunk: i think comcast is basically bring it to the masses pretty seamlessly |
| 23:35.31 | joshh | and non-nerds shouldn't ever need to think about it or know or care if they are using it |
| 23:36.04 | joshh | but im always surprised these days by what random sites i get to over 6 |
| 23:41.16 | youtah | "systemd is sex" ... I must have jumped into this conversation at the wrong time |
| 23:41.18 | youtah | or the right time |
| 23:47.44 | TodPunk | I think the camera might get a good view of the sunset tonight |
| 23:48.15 | TodPunk | I guess I might need to point it a bit more westerly |
