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| 15:34.35 | youtah | well |
| 15:35.18 | youtah | after reviewing ZoneMinder for 3 seconds.... yeah. I will stick with Synology all the way. Even if it requires you to have Active X installed. It is still that much better. |
| 15:35.26 | youtah | shudders |
| 15:40.48 | programmerq | lol |
| 15:41.03 | programmerq | I looked at zoneminder for about 10 minutes several years ago. I don't think I actually installed it though. |
| 15:44.00 | youtah | it reminds me of a dog poop from the 1990s |
| 15:46.05 | TodPunk | I'm indifferent. I recognize it's hideous, but I want it to be useful, not pretty. If it can be both, great. |
| 15:46.23 | TodPunk | If I wanted pretty, most open source software just wouldn't even be an option |
| 15:46.35 | youtah | it will be interested to have it run for a bit |
| 15:46.47 | youtah | and see how it handles the automatic motion alerts |
| 15:47.04 | TodPunk | If anyone else wants to see a Zoneminder instance with a single camera youtah is letting me borrow: http://tod.canyonhillslehi.com:5503/zm/ |
| 15:47.10 | TodPunk | login demo:thePass |
| 15:47.38 | TodPunk | I seem to have fixed the car blur stuff, youtah |
| 15:49.10 | youtah | awesome |
| 15:49.24 | youtah | think it was those same settings I sent you or something specific to ZineMinder?> |
| 15:50.28 | youtah | Theres another guy in TM that owns a security camera manf company |
| 15:50.33 | youtah | we've been chatting |
| 15:50.38 | youtah | here are some of his comments: |
| 15:50.54 | youtah | "My factory is building those same units (3MP fixed lens, but I don't bring them in to the states. I sell those mostly in South East Asia. I'd stick with HIK unless you have a need for a lot of these (like 50+ units). HIK is probably the best value for your money when it comes to mid-range commercial cameras." |
| 15:51.38 | youtah | In reference to HIKVision the company: "Now they are on a roll. Good cameras for the price." |
| 15:53.28 | TodPunk | youtah: I think it was syncing up framerates |
| 15:55.35 | programmerq | TodPunk: neat. I found an event with random dogs and a car |
| 15:55.36 | TodPunk | My issue with his cameras is that they're not IP cameras |
| 15:55.55 | programmerq | I've looked into putting an ip camera out for my front porch. |
| 15:56.18 | jima | i've been musing over the same. |
| 15:56.44 | programmerq | I work from home and it's annoying to go all the way upstairs when it isn't the delivery I'm waiting for and is some little kid I have to get rid of "no, my kid isn't here" |
| 15:56.53 | jima | not just because i'm antisocial, mostly because it's a long way from the computer room to the front door |
| 15:57.00 | programmerq | same |
| 15:57.06 | jima | yeah, exactly the same |
| 15:57.09 | youtah | which camera is not an IP camera TodPunk? |
| 15:57.20 | TodPunk | the manufacturer dude's |
| 15:57.23 | youtah | ah |
| 15:57.30 | programmerq | my old boss went to work for a company that does smart locks, and they have a video enabled doorbell: http://august.com/products/august-doorbell/ |
| 15:57.31 | TodPunk | they use RCA cables and connect to a box |
| 15:57.47 | youtah | I *love* POE |
| 15:57.52 | youtah | makes running power so much easier |
| 15:58.02 | youtah | well, and when things go bump in the night... to reach over and look at my phone and see clearly outside |
| 15:58.10 | youtah | while laying in my warm bed... so much easier |
| 15:58.15 | programmerq | my current doorbell doesn't work-- it's the second one we've had since we moved in 2.5 years ago. I think it's just a crappy model. |
| 15:58.25 | youtah | Do you know how many calories it took to warm up that bed? |
| 15:58.59 | youtah | waits for a good response... |
| 15:59.04 | youtah | left that one wide open |
| 15:59.34 | programmerq | youtah: maybe you could sell a weight loss solution where you lay in an actively cooled bed |
| 16:00.18 | jima | programmerq: "side effects may include hypothermia, and hating being in bed" |
| 16:02.07 | programmerq | you'd have to regulate it to reduce the risk of hypothermia, but still pull some heat away |
| 16:16.03 | eightyeight | coworker was just diagnosed with carpal tunnel yesterday, and asked me about the dvorak layout |
| 16:16.07 | eightyeight | decided to switch today |
| 16:17.15 | programmerq | nice |
| 16:27.46 | asoc | https://people.redhat.com/duffy/selinux/selinux-coloring-book_A4-Stapled.pdf |
| 16:27.58 | asoc | Just in case anyone wanted to teach their kids selinux! |
| 16:28.29 | jfindlay | great, more propaganda from redhat |
| 16:30.07 | jfindlay | before you know it, they'll have a children's show that teaches kids the virtues of systemD |
| 16:31.46 | youtah | what is the penguin doing to the dogs butt?!?! |
| 16:31.52 | youtah | Under the type enforcement? |
| 16:32.01 | youtah | Pulling it's tail? |
| 16:32.35 | youtah | Oh wait, nm... the tail is *behind* the penguins hand, and I think that is supposed to be the lease |
| 16:32.50 | jima | leash* |
| 16:32.55 | youtah | yes |
| 16:33.22 | jima | i was invited to microsoft developer day |
| 16:33.33 | jima | the funnier part of that is that i'm not a developer |
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| 16:37.55 | programmerq | I actually have a few copies of that coloring book. |
| 16:41.07 | jlp_znc | jima: you will be. (they hope) |
| 16:44.01 | jima | jlp_znc: i had to wear a developer hat at my last job. not doing it again. |
| 16:49.43 | jfindlay | jima: you're not maverick enough to develop the softwares? |
| 16:50.24 | jfindlay | everyone knows that developers are the cool guys, right? |
| 16:50.26 | jima | you go ahead and be mavericks. i'll be over here keeping your systems and networks up and running. ;-) |
| 16:50.35 | TodPunk | can do both |
| 16:51.21 | jfindlay | jima: that's easy, any developer could maverick the systems and networks into submission with a few lines of $lang/$tool |
| 16:52.27 | jima | jfindlay: good luck with that, code boy. |
| 16:52.40 | jfindlay | lol |
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| 16:56.35 | jfindlay | systems administration scares me |
| 16:56.43 | jfindlay | but maybe development should as well |
| 16:57.34 | jlp_znc | I enjoy systems administration, but I also like to code |
| 16:57.57 | jlp_znc | a devops job would be ideal for me. or an SRE job (again, just not in California) |
| 16:58.27 | jfindlay | jlp_znc: was Cal too exciting for you? |
| 16:58.42 | jlp_znc | no, too lonely. my family was unable to come with me. |
| 16:59.02 | jfindlay | that would be hard |
| 16:59.02 | jlp_znc | (my wife was recovering from two total knee replacements and my daughter had just been accepted to nursing school) |
| 16:59.14 | jima | woo, getting migrated to THE CLOUD |
| 16:59.22 | jlp_znc | all of my disposable income was going to Alaskan Airlines :-/ |
| 16:59.56 | jima | ouch |
| 17:00.46 | jlp_znc | there was a great pair of flights... friday leave San Jose about 8:00 and get into SLC around 11:00 PM, leave SLC on monday at 7:00 AM and get into San Jose around 8:00 AM |
| 17:01.08 | jlp_znc | I could work a full day on friday and be home by midnight, then leave monday morning and get there in time to go to work. |
| 17:01.17 | jlp_znc | was doing that pretty much every other weekend. |
| 17:01.26 | jima | not my idea of fun |
| 17:01.40 | jima | my boss did similar between slc and seattle for...some period of time. |
| 17:03.09 | jima | i'm not sure what i could do other than sysadmin. |
| 17:03.12 | jfindlay | airports are where big brother makes people feel safe |
| 17:03.24 | jlp_znc | riiiight |
| 17:05.06 | programmerq | jlp_znc: I have a similar pair of flights I use when I go out to headquarters in SF. |
| 17:05.13 | jima | i probably have enough networking chops to pull off that role, albeit no certs |
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| 17:21.55 | TodPunk | turns out the dog programmerq found was one of mine, but I don't know where my other one was at the time, which concerns me slightly |
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| 17:39.00 | programmerq | TodPunk: I think I saw two in there |
| 17:39.08 | programmerq | I wasn't paying too close attention |
| 17:39.20 | jlp_znc | certs are for punks. not TodPunks, just plain old punks. |
| 17:40.00 | programmerq | I've been using startssl certs for my home network internal stuff. in fact, I think one is expiring today. |
| 17:42.14 | programmerq | is there a chrome extension that can tell me if a cert is expiring in <30 days? some little blip or gui dot would be all I'm looking for |
| 17:42.53 | TodPunk | tape's coming loose it seems |
| 17:43.06 | TodPunk | maybe I should just mount the camera on a board or something |
| 17:43.36 | programmerq | yup, it expires in 6 minutes, actually |
| 17:43.46 | TodPunk | wow, oddly specific |
| 17:43.58 | jima | serendipidous timing |
| 17:46.01 | programmerq | race to get a replacement |
| 17:47.44 | jima | sadly, my team could do it (but we have an enterprise agreement with a CA) |
| 17:49.15 | programmerq | I think I win |
| 17:50.04 | programmerq | except this hardware is way overloaded and just killed the service due to OOM |
| 17:50.11 | programmerq | but the new cert is installed! |
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| 18:21.32 | programmerq | has anyone ever gone to the sundance film festival? |
| 18:21.52 | programmerq | I figure since it's a world famous event, and it's right here, I should check it out. |
| 18:30.07 | keldwud | I've only been while driving a taxi |
| 18:30.11 | keldwud | to transport people |
| 18:30.24 | keldwud | oh wait, I went and saw MirrorMask and shook Neil Gaiman's hand once |
| 18:30.41 | keldwud | wait, isn't sundance film festival long over? |
| 18:30.50 | keldwud | or are you talking about for next year, programmerq ? |
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| 18:31.37 | programmerq | it's in January |
| 18:32.03 | programmerq | so we're in that awkward phase where their website has basically no info. I have no idea what the scale of it is, nor what any of the different ticket options mean. |
| 18:33.38 | unum | I've gone a few times |
| 18:33.48 | unum | they offer special local pricing |
| 18:34.30 | unum | where you can just buy tickets for movies you want to see |
| 18:34.48 | unum | they used to assign time slot so if you were assigned one of the later ones all the popular movies would be sold out |
| 18:35.00 | unum | they have salt lake and ogden venues |
| 18:35.10 | unum | I saw "the internet's own boy" down town |
| 18:36.53 | programmerq | there are also non-screening events, from the looks of things. |
| 18:38.56 | voldemortensen | programmerq: Robert Redford was talking about shutting it down this last go around. |
| 18:46.38 | joshh | he thinks it's too big and doesn't have the same feel now, but he can't practically shut it down |
| 18:49.32 | jfindlay | when everyone's cool, nobody is |
| 18:50.15 | voldemortensen | all the cool kids have stars upon thars |
| 19:12.10 | keldwud | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSCzDykng4g |
| 19:12.49 | keldwud | programmerq: they also have screenings downtown salt lake |
| 19:12.54 | keldwud | so you don't have to go all the way to park city |
| 19:40.58 | unum | one of the best things about going to sundance is that people involved in creating the movie often show |
| 19:41.01 | unum | up |
| 19:41.26 | unum | and do q and a's |
| 19:48.09 | jfindlay | I was in a big production recently |
| 19:48.14 | jfindlay | it was fun |
| 20:18.51 | shalkie | keldwud: I believe they also do some screenings at Peerys Egyptian theater in Ogden. |
| 20:21.26 | keldwud | that's right. I remember that |
| 20:21.38 | keldwud | but all this is from my memories of 2006ish |
| 20:21.43 | keldwud | so things could have changed |
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| 20:25.46 | jima | ngl.ninja ...acquired their primary ipv4 space in 2013, and their domain in 2014. wow. little late to the game. |
| 20:32.19 | jima | i only noticed because they got their ipv4 space 8 days after my work did :-\ |
| 20:50.39 | youtah | jima loves IPv4 |
| 20:50.46 | youtah | ~IPv4 |
| 20:50.47 | infobot | it has been said that ipv4 is not as good as ipv6 |
| 20:50.52 | youtah | lol |
| 20:51.03 | youtah | ~jima |
| 20:51.04 | jfindlay | ~napoleon youtah |
| 20:51.04 | infobot | ACTION makes youtah buy a lotto ticket for Napoleon |
| 20:52.17 | youtah | ~jima |
| 20:52.17 | infobot | jima <3's IPv6 |
| 20:52.19 | jima | youtah: conversely, they got their ipv6 about 3 months after my work did |
| 20:52.37 | jima | youtah: unnecessary use of an apostrophe. otherwise, sure. |
| 20:53.08 | youtah | it's there to make sure it doesnt look like a snake or a worm coming out of a heart? |
| 20:53.22 | youtah | <3s |
| 20:53.24 | TodPunk | ~ipv6 |
| 20:53.25 | infobot | The future is now!, or http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/the-day-the-routers-died/ |
| 20:54.49 | jima | i'm reading the lyrics with the timing of the music |
| 20:55.00 | jima | i haven't watched the video in...months? |
| 20:56.18 | jima | and of course that was years before actual depletion set in... |
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| 21:31.38 | unum | shalkie: they do. We've been to a couple of screens in Ogden. |
| 21:32.05 | unum | I think that was partly because it's easier to get tickets to the Ogden screenings |
| 21:32.52 | unum | is the expectation that you'll give everything a hostname with ip6? |
| 21:33.08 | unum | or is it expected that local networks will continue to run ip4 |
| 21:33.21 | unum | or is there some sort of short cut..... |
| 21:34.29 | jima | "everything"...every ipv6 address or every actual device? |
| 21:37.29 | unum | well everything you might want to ssh to |
| 21:37.42 | unum | because I'll never remember an ip6 address |
| 21:38.02 | SunSparc | Never say never. |
| 21:38.03 | fungus | DNS |
| 21:38.21 | unum | I have over 400 linux computers I can ssh to |
| 21:38.25 | fungus | Or you can use semi-memorable static addresses. |
| 21:38.30 | SunSparc | ~never |
| 21:38.30 | infobot | Never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down, never gonna run around and desert you! |
| 21:38.31 | unum | of course they all have host names as well |
| 21:38.50 | fungus | eg. 2600: |
| 21:39.01 | fungus | 3c01::1 |
| 21:39.12 | SunSparc | +1 |
| 21:39.26 | unum | you're all crazy |
| 21:39.33 | unum | I did terrible in that class |
| 21:39.34 | SunSparc | You did not know? |
| 21:39.51 | unum | I don't know what it is, but I struggly with base conversions |
| 21:40.12 | SunSparc | I mean, you did not know we are all crazy? :) |
| 21:40.13 | fungus | you don't really need base conversions. Just accept it as an address. |
| 21:40.42 | SunSparc | Just like the metric system. Forget trying to convert, just use it. |
| 21:41.02 | fungus | Just memorize your network part, and assign static addresses like you do with IPv4 |
| 21:41.21 | fungus | 2600:3c01:: isn't much harder to memorize than 216.50.135. |
| 21:41.33 | SunSparc | More dots though... |
| 21:41.34 | jfindlay | think how short addrs would be if every place value one unicode code point |
| 21:41.56 | fungus | And use DNS a lot too. |
| 21:43.26 | fungus | However it could get ugly if you get a bad allocation. eg. 2601:681:4e00:96e6::/64 That's a lot more to memorize. |
| 21:43.47 | jfindlay | which is why DNS is essential |
| 21:44.11 | fungus | Yup |
| 21:44.41 | SunSparc | ~DNS fungus |
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| 21:45.40 | fungus | ~dns 74.207.251.48 |
| 21:45.59 | SunSparc | clicky... |
| 21:46.04 | fungus | lol, don't |
| 21:46.11 | SunSparc | IT WORKS! |
| 21:46.15 | SunSparc | lol |
| 21:47.50 | fungus | ~dns 2a03:2880:2130:7f20:face:b00c:0:25de |
| 21:48.02 | fungus | lol, doesn't support ipv6 yet. |
| 21:48.11 | SunSparc | ~lame |
| 21:50.08 | jlp_znc | oh infobot, we still love you |
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| 21:53.10 | jima | fungus: itym 2600::, the shortest ipv6 address for a web server |
| 21:53.43 | jima | fungus: oops, misunderstood where you were going with that |
| 21:54.12 | jima | unum: i remember plenty of ipv6 addresses. not all of them, by any means, but important ones. |
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| 21:54.51 | fungus | 2001:4860:4860::8888 |
| 21:54.54 | jima | unum: but yes, dns is absolutely your friend when it comes to ipv6 |
| 21:54.58 | fungus | that one it totally memorizable. |
| 21:55.23 | jlp_znc | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6muw6pqzk_c <- Vette vs. Jet |
| 21:55.28 | jima | fungus: i can't cite it off-hand, but i know what it is at a glance (and not just because of the last 32 bits) |
| 21:55.40 | jima | err, 16 bits, i was thinking they did it differently |
| 21:56.03 | jima | (2001:4860:4860::8.8.8.8) |
| 21:56.49 | jima | unum: my chief concern was that you were getting at the mindset of putting a PTR on EVERY IP ADDRESS like a lot of entities do for ipv4 |
| 21:57.22 | jima | which isn't even theoretically scalable on ipv6 without a formulaic, automated approach (of which there are numerous implementations) |
| 22:00.38 | jfindlay | jima: how about hostnames that replace the `:`s with `-`? :-) |
| 22:01.03 | jima | jfindlay: at least one of the implementations does effectively that (+ appending a domain) |
| 22:01.15 | jima | ok, time to flee the office, g'night all |
| 22:06.28 | SunSparc | ~goodbye jima |
| 22:17.50 | shalkie | find .... is ... awesome ... |
| 22:18.09 | shalkie | Not that people in here will find that to be news, but just a good reminder. :) |
| 22:23.25 | SunSparc | :) |
| 22:23.58 | SunSparc | ~find shalkie |
| 22:30.31 | keldwud | ~find your mom |
| 22:30.41 | shalkie | ~find cowsay |
| 22:30.59 | shalkie | ~find sl |
| 22:31.15 | shalkie | ~find nerd |
| 22:31.26 | TodPunk | ~find sex |
| 22:31.31 | keldwud | run daemonC |
| 22:31.33 | keldwud | heh |
| 22:31.45 | TodPunk | bah |
| 22:31.48 | keldwud | that's what I see when I see the description for containerd |
| 22:32.01 | keldwud | I should have made it into a pun |
| 22:32.21 | TodPunk | There's actually a linux command from way back when, written in C, called "sex" that generates a highly amusing smut excerpt |
| 22:32.22 | keldwud | like, Motherboard said to knock whom out? |
| 22:32.29 | keldwud | run daemonC |
| 22:32.58 | TodPunk | I've been looking for it for years since I lost my copy ages hence |
| 22:59.52 | programmerq | TodPunk: do you know what distro it was on? many distros have archive copies of their install media |
| 23:02.38 | TodPunk | programmerq: I don't think package managers had it much at the time. It would have been gentoo or debian, though |
| 23:03.11 | TodPunk | https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-206636-start-0.html |
| 23:03.13 | programmerq | it might be buried in the debian archives. the gentoo ebuild certainly is broken now, even if you could find it. |
| 23:03.33 | programmerq | 2004 isn't *that* long ago |
| 23:04.15 | TodPunk | well, maybe I'll look again later |
| 23:04.23 | TodPunk | for now, I go to pour concrete in my backyard =c( |
| 23:06.38 | programmerq | debian woody has a package with that name, but when I run it: Error: Can't open display: |
| 23:06.47 | programmerq | now I'm afraid to run it with a display :/ |
| 23:07.16 | programmerq | simple editor for X |
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