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| 15:15.09 | unum | helllllllllllllllllo nurse |
| 15:15.19 | unum | guess what's new on netflix |
| 15:15.29 | programmerq | new season of archer? |
| 15:15.33 | programmerq | new season of bob's burgers? |
| 15:16.35 | unum | I think I did see a new season of archer |
| 15:16.58 | unum | but I don't wouldn't watch that with my kids.... |
| 15:17.23 | voldemortensen | ~netflix |
| 15:22.57 | programmerq | new season of kimmy schmidt should be out soon too. |
| 15:23.02 | programmerq | what did you have in mind? |
| 15:23.20 | voldemortensen | Animaniacs? |
| 15:23.22 | unum | ya |
| 15:23.33 | unum | animaniacs |
| 15:23.45 | unum | we are looking forward to kimmy schmidt |
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| 15:43.56 | jfindlay | if they produced a new season of Napoleon Dynamite I might get excited |
| 15:44.09 | jfindlay | all other cartoons are the same to me |
| 15:44.18 | jfindlay | except maybe animaniacs |
| 15:44.20 | youtah | TodPunk, so talking with a whole bunch of people |
| 15:44.27 | TodPunk | k |
| 15:44.30 | youtah | looks like the HIKVision are a good way to go |
| 15:44.41 | TodPunk | k |
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| 15:54.10 | keldwud | I get to learn how to migrate graylog and elastic search from VMs to physical hardware this week. |
| 16:18.38 | unum | that an interesting direction to be going.... |
| 16:18.54 | unum | why are they going to physical hardware? |
| 16:25.26 | keldwud | because elasticsearch |
| 16:25.51 | keldwud | it works better on physical disks, or so I've ehard |
| 16:25.53 | keldwud | *heard |
| 16:28.01 | keldwud | iirc I/O speeds aren't at their best on shared resource VMs |
| 16:28.17 | keldwud | I could be wrong, though |
| 16:39.41 | TodPunk | You can prioritize resources, and if you need disk IO performance, you should be using a hardware based RAID array at least. |
| 16:39.47 | TodPunk | probably SSDs on top of that |
| 16:40.05 | TodPunk | Depending, of course, on your level of needs. |
| 16:41.28 | keldwud | yeah, that's why we are migrating to hardware |
| 16:41.34 | keldwud | because I need the IO |
| 16:41.42 | keldwud | elastic search is a HOG |
| 16:44.19 | jfindlay | does that say something about elsaticsearch? :-) |
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| 17:00.20 | keldwud | is there another solution in wide use for the elk stack? |
| 17:00.46 | programmerq | keldwud: splunk |
| 17:05.29 | keldwud | maybe one that I don't have to pay for :) |
| 17:05.48 | keldwud | so it's an acceptable tradeoff, jfindlay :-p |
| 17:11.30 | programmerq | by nature log archival and full text indexing is IO intensive. |
| 17:11.48 | programmerq | splunk too is intensive. I don't know how well it compares in performance to ELK |
| 17:12.10 | programmerq | both work better if you can throw IO-optimized hardware at it. |
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| 17:15.39 | jfindlay | or OI-optimized hardware? |
| 17:16.21 | jfindlay | no matter how intense, I'm sure fusion-IO has a press release that can handle it |
| 17:16.23 | programmerq | IO IO it's off to disk we go |
| 17:16.27 | programmerq | a bit or byte to read or write |
| 17:16.29 | programmerq | IO |
| 17:16.31 | programmerq | IO IO IO |
| 17:16.45 | yukaia | keldwud: there's graylog also. |
| 17:16.58 | jfindlay | programmerq: you should submit that to the openwest poetry competition |
| 17:16.59 | keldwud | I'm *using* graylog :-p |
| 17:17.12 | keldwud | but it relies on elasticsearch just like logstash does |
| 17:17.20 | programmerq | I totally stole it from a fortune I probably saw in the 90s on a slackware install |
| 17:17.21 | yukaia | ah yeah. |
| 17:17.22 | jfindlay | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.40 | yukaia | dunno why you're having elasticsearch issues. |
| 17:17.56 | yukaia | it runs great in our virtual environment here at work. |
| 17:31.53 | keldwud | yukaia: I'm interested in hearing about what kind of usage you have |
| 17:32.03 | keldwud | because I'd also like to not have elasticsearch issues :) |
| 17:33.09 | keldwud | I have 770 shards, 46B docs on 30TB |
| 17:33.27 | unum | I think i need something for functional testing me desktop apps |
| 17:33.45 | unum | s/me/my |
| 17:34.01 | keldwud | my throughput is about 20k/s in and out |
| 17:34.09 | keldwud | 20k messages per second |
| 17:34.53 | unum | I could just use a mouse/keyboard recorder |
| 17:36.29 | yukaia | we're running splunk primarily right now and gonna end up moving to graylog most likely. |
| 17:36.47 | yukaia | your instance of graylog is much larger than ours atm. |
| 17:37.26 | yukaia | dunno how you're handling data retention but you may want to consider setting up an archive elasticsearch cluster to store all your old data that you don't care about too much. |
| 17:38.43 | yukaia | what's your memory like on you ES nodes? |
| 17:58.36 | keldwud | 32GB |
| 17:58.40 | keldwud | have 7 of them |
| 17:58.52 | keldwud | so I've read two different camps on 64 vs 32 |
| 17:59.13 | keldwud | elasticsearch has documentation specifically stating that because of the way something or other handles whatever, that 32 is best |
| 18:00.11 | keldwud | but in other places, people say to give it as much ram as you can |
| 18:01.14 | keldwud | for now I think we're just using the elasticsearch replication function |
| 18:02.06 | yukaia | 64 for the system, 32 for the java stack. |
| 18:02.21 | yukaia | the remaining 32GB of memory is for lucene. |
| 18:03.07 | yukaia | https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elasticsearch/guide/current/heap-sizing.html |
| 18:04.48 | yukaia | yeah, the 32GB limit is due to an issue with JVM and how they handle pointers. |
| 18:05.14 | yukaia | https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elasticsearch/guide/current/heap-sizing.html#compressed_oops |
| 18:05.19 | yukaia | that discusses the JVM issue. |
| 18:05.29 | keldwud | yeah, it was a JVM issue |
| 18:05.39 | keldwud | thank you |
| 18:05.56 | keldwud | that second one was blue for me :) |
| 18:05.59 | keldwud | -er purple I mean |
| 18:06.20 | yukaia | you might want to consider adding more memory to the machines for lucene. |
| 18:06.39 | keldwud | so I *can* get away with 64, cool. |
| 18:07.01 | yukaia | yup, just don't pass the 32GB JVM stack line. |
| 18:07.01 | keldwud | I was worried that it wouldn't all get used because of the JVM issue, but since I'm splitting it between ES heap and lucene, that sounds good |
| 18:09.05 | yukaia | they also talk about some math for the memory that you give the JVM. |
| 18:09.23 | yukaia | https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elasticsearch/guide/current/heap-sizing.html#_just_how_far_under_32gb_should_i_set_the_jvm |
| 18:09.40 | yukaia | you'd probably be fine just setting the cap for the JVM at 31GB. |
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| 18:31.19 | youtah | ~cruz |
| 18:31.19 | infobot | It was just 5 women! |
| 18:31.23 | youtah | ~trump |
| 18:31.24 | infobot | Noooooooooooo! |
| 18:31.31 | youtah | dang |
| 18:31.33 | youtah | timeout |
| 18:31.38 | youtah | ~cruz |
| 18:31.38 | infobot | Did someone say Cruise Missles? |
| 18:35.21 | voldemortensen | https://d1jn4vzj53eli5.cloudfront.net/mc/ekrayewski/2016_01/calculators.jpg?h=489&w=500 |
| 18:36.19 | jfindlay | ~trump |
| 18:36.19 | infobot | Noooooooooooo! |
| 18:36.23 | jfindlay | lame |
| 18:36.29 | jfindlay | ~napoleon |
| 18:36.29 | infobot | It's a liger, bred for its skills in magic. |
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| 19:15.20 | youtah | jfindlay, check the literal of trump |
| 19:15.27 | youtah | ~literal trump |
| 19:15.27 | infobot | "trump" is "<reply>(Well, that's a shame.|\o/|Trump 2016 FTW!|Noooooooooooo!|rhymes with orange)" |
| 19:15.48 | jfindlay | youtah: I know |
| 19:15.49 | youtah | it's still a long string of possibilities |
| 19:16.09 | jfindlay | I'm laming about infobot's dearth of imaginative randomizing |
| 19:16.10 | youtah | you see that someone has filed charges against him? |
| 19:16.34 | youtah | apparently someone has Ben Carson on tape saying that Trump offered or sold him, a cabinet position for his endorsement. |
| 19:17.58 | youtah | on top of Trump being able to afford the best lawyers in town... can you imagine the # of lawyers willing to help out? |
| 19:18.16 | youtah | Should be interesting to see if anything actually materializes |
| 19:20.20 | jfindlay | politicelebrity justice! |
| 19:20.48 | jfindlay | Snowden had it all wrong, he should have run his own reality show for a few years to gain celeb cred |
| 19:20.58 | jfindlay | then he wouldn't be in any trouble now |
| 19:21.15 | jfindlay | trump might have even enticed him with a cabinet position, apparently |
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| 20:05.08 | SunSparc | Intro to Go meetup: http://www.meetup.com/utahgophers/events/228265129/?rv=cr2 |
| 20:06.42 | jfindlay | do you collect $200? |
| 20:08.00 | programmerq | shoot, I won't be able to go |
| 20:08.41 | keldwud | anybody else interested in a devops position downtown slc? |
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| 20:23.06 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:23.18 | SunSparc | ~collect jfindlay |
| 20:23.55 | SunSparc | programmerq: :) |
| 20:24.34 | jfindlay | I think you only collect if you pass the Go meeting |
| 20:25.08 | programmerq | actually, I think I will be able to. |
| 20:25.08 | SunSparc | And definitely not if you Go directly to jail. |
| 20:25.24 | programmerq | I've really been needing to pick up go |
| 20:25.33 | SunSparc | And some food? ;) |
| 20:25.56 | programmerq | I support a bunch of go apps |
| 20:26.06 | programmerq | but I'm not yet comfortable with the language. |
| 20:26.11 | programmerq | that's usually the order of things for me. |
| 20:26.24 | SunSparc | Oh, then definitely, you should check it out. |
| 20:27.14 | programmerq | I've done a bit of reading, but I haven't had a project of my own with enough stickt-to-it-ness to really have learned it all the way. |
| 20:28.45 | voldemortensen | the only thing I know about go is some hackery I had to do with docker. |
| 20:28.45 | SunSparc | Yes, having a good project is certainly the best catalyst. |
| 20:29.23 | SunSparc | ~hackery |
| 20:29.34 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:30.27 | voldemortensen | it wasn't pretty |
| 20:31.06 | SunSparc | What were you doing with it? Just trying to get the Go environment working in a Docker? |
| 20:33.53 | keldwud | thanks for those resources, yukaia, they're very helpful |
| 20:34.27 | voldemortensen | I was using docker inspect and had to use a bunch of go templating grab a containers environment stuff. |
| 20:35.03 | youtah | Failed to fetch http://repo.saltstack.com/apt/debian/8/amd64/latest/dists/jessie/InRelease :( |
| 20:35.04 | voldemortensen | And then some go templating to dynamically recreate nginx.conf when a new container was created. |
| 20:35.32 | voldemortensen | that was listening to docker events to trigger the rebuild |
| 20:36.39 | youtah | Why Salt Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?!??!! |
| 20:37.30 | programmerq | voldemortensen: did you look into jwilder/nginx-proxy or ehazlett's interlock project? |
| 20:37.34 | programmerq | both of those do basically that |
| 20:37.57 | voldemortensen | programmerq: I used jwilders project, but had to modify it. |
| 20:38.02 | programmerq | ah |
| 20:42.36 | SunSparc | programmerq: Sounds like you had a good time. |
| 20:42.58 | programmerq | oh? |
| 20:46.27 | jfindlay | youtah: having trouble? |
| 20:46.37 | jfindlay | youtah: I can download that file |
| 20:59.23 | youtah | yeah |
| 21:01.37 | keldwud | wonder what would happen if I had a party with a nacho bar |
| 21:01.57 | keldwud | y'know, bowls full of toppings you can put on your nachos |
| 21:02.00 | keldwud | build your own |
| 21:02.19 | keldwud | and like bowls with different types of "bases" like different types of chips |
| 21:02.27 | SunSparc | Mmm... nachos... |
| 21:02.29 | keldwud | think youtah would come hang out with me then? |
| 21:02.41 | youtah | Heck yes |
| 21:02.44 | youtah | depends on when |
| 21:02.45 | keldwud | haha |
| 21:02.50 | youtah | I need to start telling people no |
| 21:03.14 | keldwud | it would probably be on a game night or a movie night (weekends) |
| 21:03.23 | youtah | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.05 | SunSparc | lol |
| 21:06.22 | yukaia | keldwud: yup, no worries, let me know if it helps out with ES performance, would be good info to know for when we roll out. |
| 21:07.02 | keldwud | will do |
| 21:08.55 | youtah | but yeah keldwud a nacho party would be awesome |
| 21:09.10 | youtah | TodPunk, maybe that is how we could get more LDUG attendees? |
| 21:09.30 | TodPunk | Nachos. You should ask other Jeff about it |
| 21:09.44 | voldemortensen | ~youtah |
| 21:09.45 | infobot | Mmmm Bacon |
| 21:09.49 | keldwud | where would a nacho party best be received? the hackerspace downtown or my own place (which can accommodate a good size) |
| 21:09.51 | youtah | is there a story there TodPunk ? |
| 21:10.02 | keldwud | maybe I should do a nacho party during saltconf? |
| 21:10.10 | youtah | Yeah |
| 21:10.12 | youtah | there ya go |
| 21:10.27 | TodPunk | No, I'm saying you should suggest it |
| 21:10.35 | keldwud | should I shoot for the first day maybe? |
| 21:10.38 | keldwud | or the second day? |
| 21:10.40 | TodPunk | we can make our own story for it |
| 21:10.46 | keldwud | I think the last day will have a low turnout |
| 21:11.18 | keldwud | since that's when most people plan "after parties" for cons |
| 21:11.40 | keldwud | oh hey, I'll have a room at the grand america, I could just do the nacho party there |
| 21:13.22 | youtah | although |
| 21:13.38 | youtah | isnt salt conf like big bucks to attend? |
| 21:16.18 | programmerq | it isn't cheap |
| 21:16.24 | programmerq | it's priced like it's a downtown SF conference. |
| 21:16.28 | programmerq | but it's in SLC |
| 21:21.27 | keldwud | yeah, it's 1500 |
| 21:21.34 | keldwud | it's pretty steep, for sure |
| 21:21.40 | keldwud | that's even more than linux con, iirc |
| 21:23.02 | SunSparc | A lot more than minecon for sure. |
| 21:28.28 | programmerq | comparable cost conferences: blackhat (vegas), dockercon (seattle), chefconf (austin) |
| 21:28.34 | programmerq | I guess it isn't as expensive as I thought |
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| 21:43.20 | TodPunk | meanwhile openwest is 1/10th of that and is a much better conference |
| 21:49.34 | TodPunk | is biased |
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| 21:51.20 | programmerq | openwest is a very different kind of conference. |
| 21:53.52 | TodPunk | hence my bias |
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| 22:11.58 | yukaia | programmerq: blackhat is still more than that though. |
| 22:13.17 | programmerq | yeah, blackhat was the most expensive of them all |
| 22:13.27 | programmerq | early bird pricing puts it in the same ballpark though |
| 22:13.47 | yukaia | just for the last 3 days of the con though. |
| 22:14.23 | yukaia | if you want training then it's that plus what your classes cost. |
| 22:18.21 | voldemortensen | anyone know of a good python job? |
| 22:20.01 | TodPunk | are you looking now? |
| 22:20.21 | TodPunk | Is Needle still hiring? |
| 22:20.58 | voldemortensen | No, just got word of a buddy who is leaving his job and looking for something new. |
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