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| 06:21.13 | mellor | will you guys take care of this? i'm too tired to explain |
| 06:21.14 | mellor | https://www.reddit.com/r/fishtank/comments/4coreg/are_neon_tetras_a_good_hardy_fish_to_do_a_cycle/ |
| 06:21.20 | mellor | oops wrong channel haha |
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| 14:57.16 | eightyeight | http://www.nongnu.org/cvs/ |
| 14:57.34 | eightyeight | when you're manual page points to the wayback machine... |
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| 15:54.39 | frostyfrog | x3 |
| 16:00.00 | voldemortensen | still uses cvs :( |
| 16:00.40 | voldemortensen | not by choice |
| 16:00.58 | TodPunk | I've turned down jobs for using cvs |
| 16:01.08 | TodPunk | It's that bad |
| 16:01.49 | TodPunk | still using SVN isn't like, the worst thing, but it's also on my list of "so when are we switching to one of the vastly superior options?" |
| 16:03.43 | Jayce^ | voldemortensen: you should clean up your repo so it can get converted... |
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| 16:15.57 | voldemortensen | Jayce^: psh |
| 16:16.03 | voldemortensen | you act like I do real work |
| 16:30.35 | SunSparc | ~work voldemortensen |
| 16:30.36 | infobot | ACTION looks over the shoulder of voldemortensen to see what needs to be done and then sets the elves to work getting it all done so voldemortensen can play bzflag |
| 16:31.31 | voldemortensen | Yes!!! |
| 16:33.46 | SunSparc | :) |
| 16:34.01 | voldemortensen | But speaking of real work, anyone here who has a bluehost account can now put two factor auth on it. |
| 16:34.14 | Jayce^ | about time you rolled that code :) |
| 16:34.40 | voldemortensen | I blame it on QA. |
| 16:35.15 | SunSparc | considers how much effort goes into to security... and his mind explodes! |
| 16:35.53 | SunSparc | Without the need for security, so much code would not exist. |
| 16:36.11 | Jayce^ | Without the need for security, people would just keep using PHP |
| 16:36.27 | Jayce^ | ~shots-fired |
| 16:36.30 | voldemortensen | The need for security is only forced upon by buttheads. |
| 16:36.51 | Jayce^ | not beavis? |
| 16:37.16 | voldemortensen | Guilty by association |
| 16:37.29 | Jayce^ | relevant: http://www.telltalesonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/benedict-cumberbatch-neil-patrick-harris.jpg |
| 16:38.10 | SunSparc | ~lol |
| 16:38.11 | infobot | [lol] stands for Laughs Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 16:38.23 | frostyfrog | Huh, maybe I should look into getting a bluehost plan *pulls up VPS pricing* Yeah... no. Not until I decide to make try and make money from my stuff... |
| 16:39.01 | SunSparc | interviewed at BlueHost once upon a time... |
| 16:42.36 | Jayce^ | frostyfrog: yeah, marketing hasn't let our brand do the VPS's we want.. annoys the #$@ out of us |
| 16:45.31 | voldemortensen | ~marketing |
| 16:45.38 | voldemortensen | ~lart marketing |
| 16:45.38 | infobot | takes marketing to the vet for a "special" visit |
| 16:46.44 | voldemortensen | when my brother told me to apply at bluehost I thought to myself "What is a blue host?" |
| 16:51.28 | jima | they host blue waffles (pro tip: don't google that) |
| 17:05.52 | frostyfrog | Interestingly enough, I didn't know you could get a cheap dedicated server :S https://www.chicagovps.net/services/dedicated-servers $25 a month?! |
| 17:07.40 | jima | oh sweet, they have centos 7 62-bit |
| 17:07.54 | jima | frostyfrog: i think that might be erroneous... |
| 17:08.16 | jima | 1,3,6,12 month price all say $25 |
| 17:09.05 | jima | oh, i guess that's per month |
| 17:20.30 | frostyfrog | That's what I figured. |
| 17:20.54 | frostyfrog | I was kinda hoping they'd allow a BYO-OS |
| 17:21.38 | jima | good luck with that unless they have a nice LOM |
| 17:23.06 | SunSparc | Just learned about https://www.packet.net/ the other day. |
| 17:23.42 | jima | just learned about packet.net now |
| 17:24.47 | spangborn | TIL packet.net is a domain name |
| 17:24.48 | jima | $37.20/mo isn't awful for an atom box with 8gb of ram |
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| 17:26.44 | spangborn | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.52 | SunSparc | ~part spangborn |
| 17:26.53 | jima | infobot: really? knowing youtah, it would be down the hall to the left |
| 17:27.28 | eightyeight | is youtah a socialist? |
| 17:27.33 | youtah | lol |
| 17:27.38 | spangborn | He's literally Castro. |
| 17:27.45 | youtah | may or may not have voted for Bernie |
| 17:27.52 | jima | spangborn: you're literally hitler! |
| 17:28.10 | spangborn | Something something Godwin's Law |
| 17:28.10 | jima | (sorry, it seemed like the right escalation) |
| 17:28.27 | spangborn | rolls around in a VW before it catches fire |
| 17:28.49 | spangborn | Look ma, singlehandedly melting polar ice caps |
| 17:28.51 | jima | youtah: COMMUNIST |
| 17:29.27 | spangborn | Mailto links make me want to punch a baby. |
| 17:29.49 | jima | spangborn: s/baby/web developer/ |
| 17:29.52 | eightyeight | MARXIST! STALINIST! |
| 17:30.04 | spangborn | Spiders are the only web developers that like finding bugs. |
| 17:30.05 | jima | at least target your aggression at a potentially responsible party |
| 17:30.37 | youtah | throws a "I want you to have a free education, so you can distiguish the difference between communisim and democratic socialism" meme at jima |
| 17:31.11 | spangborn | I hope jima goes to school for 8 years, too |
| 17:31.14 | youtah | TodPunk, we had two more cars smashed last night |
| 17:31.24 | jima | eightyeight: SYMBOLIST |
| 17:31.46 | eightyeight | oh wait. you mean socialism doesn't necessarily deal with economic communism???!!! |
| 17:31.49 | eightyeight | my bad |
| 17:31.58 | spangborn | POPULIST |
| 17:32.00 | jima | youtah: there's an obvious difference between knowing the difference and *caring* about the difference :-) |
| 17:32.13 | youtah | Well spangborn ... atleast we're not MARTHA STEWARTISTS like jima is... *phew* |
| 17:32.21 | jima | haha |
| 17:32.24 | youtah | lol jima so so so true |
| 17:32.31 | jima | me...martha stewart...NOTHING in common. :-D |
| 17:32.32 | spangborn | Oh jima's an inside trader? |
| 17:32.43 | jima | i'm not even an outside trader |
| 17:32.46 | youtah | Martha Stewart is the devil |
| 17:32.51 | spangborn | picks up the red SEC phone |
| 17:32.53 | jima | youtah: ok, maybe that in common |
| 17:33.12 | youtah | using her trickery to fool household wives into bringing her eviliness into the homes of millions |
| 17:33.19 | jima | youtah: mind the favicon on jima.us |
| 17:33.31 | jima | youtah: ok, similarity ended there |
| 17:33.43 | jfindlay | jima: what about just a plain side trader? |
| 17:33.47 | voldemortensen | from Mr. Dictionary: "a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism." |
| 17:33.49 | jima | household wives don't want anything to do with me (except my own, thankfully) |
| 17:34.02 | jima | jfindlay: i don't even know what that means (if anything) |
| 17:34.52 | spangborn | I'd prefer jima.co.uk |
| 17:34.54 | youtah | jima, it isn't showing a fav icon in chrome |
| 17:34.56 | youtah | is sad |
| 17:35.04 | youtah | unless your fav icon is a the default icon |
| 17:35.07 | spangborn | hopes that's not a porn site |
| 17:35.11 | spangborn | It's a red phone. |
| 17:35.11 | jima | youtah: on the tab? |
| 17:35.15 | spangborn | Chrome sucks. |
| 17:35.21 | youtah | lemme refresh |
| 17:35.28 | spangborn | Get a real browser. |
| 17:35.32 | jima | chrome shows it for me |
| 17:35.38 | youtah | Ah there we go!!! |
| 17:35.39 | jima | spangborn: it's not _exactly_ a phone |
| 17:35.41 | youtah | A red phone |
| 17:35.43 | youtah | lunch, afk |
| 17:35.54 | jima | youtah: take a closer look when you get back |
| 17:35.55 | spangborn | You know things are bad when IE works better than youtah's browser |
| 17:36.04 | jima | spangborn: buuuuuuurn |
| 17:36.07 | eightyeight | speaking of "redphone", i finally got my signal desktop beta invite |
| 17:36.10 | SunSparc | Try Mosaic. It is a cool browser. |
| 17:36.17 | jima | spangborn: s/'s browser/ |
| 17:36.20 | jima | / |
| 17:36.32 | spangborn | >>> implying youtah works |
| 17:36.43 | jima | technically it isn't |
| 17:37.38 | jima | i should go make my lunch |
| 17:42.12 | eightyeight | does the same |
| 17:43.31 | spangborn | eats youtah's lunch |
| 17:48.13 | voldemortensen | hopes spangborn likes nachos |
| 17:48.39 | spangborn | thinks nachos are overrated, but will settle for pirated food because it's free |
| 17:49.01 | spangborn | Haha, Apple already pushed a new 9.3.x build. |
| 17:51.58 | SunSparc | Sure, it has been a week already since 9.3 :) |
| 17:52.17 | spangborn | Well, for A5 devices, that'd be three updates in a week. |
| 17:52.36 | spangborn | 9.3 (broken), 9.3 (again), and 9.3.1 |
| 17:53.38 | SunSparc | :) |
| 17:55.22 | jfindlay | they released two 9.3s? Someone should tell apple how version numbers work |
| 17:56.00 | spangborn | Yeah, they pulled one of the 9.3 builds due to an activation issue. |
| 17:58.10 | jima | spangborn: thanks, maybe they fixed the thing that didn't work right for me in 9.3 |
| 17:58.25 | jima | updates ipad |
| 18:05.48 | youtah | are you sure it' |
| 18:05.56 | youtah | are you sure it's not a phone for the devil jima? |
| 18:06.50 | jima | youtah: you've been in IT how long and you don't know the BOFH logo? |
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| 18:16.32 | youtah | it's so tiny |
| 18:16.36 | youtah | I can't even see the thing |
| 18:16.44 | youtah | it looks like a red balloon |
| 18:16.55 | youtah | and a hole in the balloon |
| 18:17.11 | youtah | dont make me change my screen resolution |
| 18:17.59 | spangborn | I thought you already had your screen resolution set to 90yrs old? |
| 18:19.01 | youtah | 480x600 baby |
| 18:42.53 | levi | 640x480 FTW |
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| 18:44.37 | levi | VGA all the way. |
| 18:47.09 | jima | <3 WQXGA |
| 18:47.34 | jima | i have four WQXGA displays at my desk at work |
| 18:47.48 | jima | also a WUXGA |
| 18:49.55 | jfindlay | WXYZGA |
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| 18:50.07 | jima | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_resolution#/media/File:Vector_Video_Standards8.svg fwiw |
| 18:50.35 | jfindlay | jima: that page is exactly why wikipedia is awesome |
| 18:50.37 | eightyeight | i have 3xWUXGA on my desk |
| 18:50.45 | levi | For me, the acronyms beyond SVGA were all worthless. |
| 18:51.07 | jima | levi: i agree, i was being slightly smartass-y about it |
| 18:51.09 | levi | Just tell me the actual resolution, for goodness sake. |
| 18:51.17 | jima | levi: hence the link |
| 18:51.20 | eightyeight | 1920x1200 |
| 18:51.35 | jfindlay | especially since they all seem to expand to marketing/marketable terms |
| 18:51.39 | jima | i have 4x 2560x1600, 1x 1920x1200 |
| 18:51.58 | jima | sadly, two of the 2560x1600s SHOULD BE 3840x2160 |
| 18:52.03 | eightyeight | i got these monitors on the cheap, due to a prior employer going bankrupt |
| 18:52.07 | eightyeight | but i wouldn't purchase them again |
| 18:52.20 | jima | 1920x1200 aren't horrifically expensive these days |
| 18:52.33 | eightyeight | they're good monitors actually. really good. they just run _hot_ |
| 18:52.51 | eightyeight | 3 of them easily heat up my office (great in the winter, sucks in the summer) |
| 18:52.58 | TodPunk | youtah: yeah, I see the vigilante justice is going to come to a head soon |
| 18:53.32 | youtah | I am trying to warn them |
| 18:53.45 | eightyeight | i really do like them though. and the monitor stand i got for them is fantastic |
| 18:53.49 | youtah | if they start patrolling the streets at night, how are the police going to know that they are not the badguys |
| 18:53.53 | eightyeight | so, other than the heat, i can't complain too badly. :) |
| 18:53.55 | TodPunk | youtah: I convinced my neighbor to buy one of those cameras and point it straight at the entrance to our neighborhood on a zoneminder box. |
| 18:54.05 | youtah | Yessss |
| 18:54.20 | TodPunk | So he's going to get that ordered and I'll set it up for him. |
| 18:54.27 | youtah | we should setup remote storage for each other too |
| 18:54.34 | youtah | I'd let you back up some of your video on the synology |
| 18:54.47 | youtah | Two more cameras are coming today |
| 18:54.50 | TodPunk | I wouldn't mind syncing between us, but I won't convince my neighbor |
| 18:54.59 | youtah | ah |
| 18:55.00 | youtah | yeah |
| 18:55.15 | TodPunk | I have 4 2TB drives I can RAID1+0 together in an old box for it |
| 18:55.22 | TodPunk | but I have no budget for the actual cameras |
| 18:55.29 | youtah | I have 4 3TB drives running RAID5 in mine |
| 18:55.43 | TodPunk | I'd be SO much further ahead on this if my $3600 transmission fix didn't hit me a month ago |
| 18:55.57 | TodPunk | my 2TB drives are incredibly old |
| 18:56.16 | TodPunk | I just replaced them with a bunch of WD Reds for the NAS I have going |
| 18:56.35 | TodPunk | but I may do that in a FreeNAS box, in which case I could just use that for the actual storage, I guess |
| 18:56.45 | TodPunk | Haven't decided yet |
| 18:56.57 | TodPunk | the problem with FreeNAS is I can't run much else on there |
| 18:57.10 | TodPunk | and it has extreme hardware requirements for a file store =c/ |
| 18:57.29 | levi | Originally the names were about the graphics hardware rather than the display resolution, anyway. |
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| 18:57.56 | TodPunk | I'll probably just Ubuntu it and do the raided system in ext4, because laziness |
| 18:58.28 | youtah | yeah |
| 18:58.34 | youtah | which is why I went with Synology |
| 18:58.37 | youtah | and I am totally happy with it |
| 18:58.43 | TodPunk | Synology is expensive as hell |
| 18:58.47 | youtah | lol, yes it is |
| 18:59.02 | youtah | but you also get thousands of free software packages |
| 18:59.12 | TodPunk | SAMBAs it |
| 18:59.29 | TodPunk | yeah, unlike just running an actual server for half the price |
| 18:59.35 | eightyeight | why synology when you can zfs? |
| 18:59.49 | youtah | just because you hate pretty things |
| 19:00.01 | eightyeight | i hate spending on things |
| 19:00.08 | youtah | just because you hate pretty things, no need to hate Synology |
| 19:00.27 | eightyeight | but zfs |
| 19:00.43 | levi | Heh. |
| 19:00.44 | TodPunk | There is no way I'm going to zfs on my old hardware when I literally gain nothing from zfs |
| 19:02.27 | jfindlay | eightyeight: blow a hole in your skylight with your shotgun over the door |
| 19:02.51 | eightyeight | i don't have a shotgun |
| 19:03.09 | eightyeight | i can get a nerf gun though. does that count? |
| 19:03.49 | youtah | you can borrow my shotgun |
| 19:04.00 | jfindlay | for those of you following along at the office, the joke is that eightyeight doesn't exercise his 2nd amendment |
| 19:04.13 | youtah | LOL |
| 19:04.15 | eightyeight | i own a walther p99 9mm |
| 19:04.37 | eightyeight | it's the only gun i own, however |
| 19:04.38 | jfindlay | eightyeight: does that dispense pez at high speed? |
| 19:04.51 | jfindlay | a pez gun would be awesome, right? |
| 19:05.07 | jfindlay | so, band name or kickstarter? I can't decide |
| 19:05.38 | TodPunk | do... do we want eightyeight to exercise his 2nd amendment for some reason? |
| 19:06.11 | eightyeight | tbh, i'm not sure why i'm supposed to blow a hole in my office skylight |
| 19:06.19 | eightyeight | and how that relates to zfs or synology |
| 19:06.27 | TodPunk | heat |
| 19:06.38 | TodPunk | from monitors |
| 19:06.45 | eightyeight | that was like, 10 minutes ago |
| 19:06.47 | youtah | I didnt follow it either eightyeight |
| 19:06.51 | youtah | ah |
| 19:06.56 | eightyeight | might as well have been last year, when it comes to irc |
| 19:07.35 | eightyeight | i thought about using a stirling engine to cool them down, however |
| 19:07.54 | TodPunk | well, jfindlay is not a quick man |
| 19:08.26 | eightyeight | if only i could figure out how to prevent equilibrium without using more energy |
| 19:09.17 | jfindlay | TodPunk: I keep email messages in my inbox for years because I will respond to them when I have the time |
| 19:09.52 | TodPunk | I just never delete emails, as a policy |
| 19:10.02 | TodPunk | unless it's mailing lists that are archived elsewhere. |
| 19:10.08 | jfindlay | eightyeight: you should figure out how to harness that heat as an entropy pool |
| 19:10.21 | jfindlay | TodPunk: you never 'delete' messages from your inbox? |
| 19:10.35 | TodPunk | or move them, or any of that |
| 19:10.36 | eightyeight | hmm |
| 19:10.50 | levi | My email just all goes to gmail and I don't do anything with it at all. |
| 19:11.01 | TodPunk | mail search is my organization scheme |
| 19:11.19 | levi | Aside from auto-hiding various lists I don't really want to see all the traffic from in my "inbox" |
| 19:11.36 | eightyeight | jfindlay: i could get a spectrometer, measure which wavelengths are more varying in that area, run dieharder tests on the result, ... |
| 19:11.48 | TodPunk | yeah, I label things like PLUG or UPHPU mails so I don't see them until I use a desktop client |
| 19:13.00 | eightyeight | problem with sources of quanta or chaotic entropy, is they tend to be biased. so, i'll need to run them through an unbiaser. a cryptographic hashing function would work. |
| 19:13.32 | eightyeight | i have been thinking about creating BLAKE2_DRBG in C recently... |
| 19:14.14 | jfindlay | eightyeight: that sounds interesting. The kind of thing people who study probability and random data would know. I figured it would be some kind of normal distribution |
| 19:14.40 | jfindlay | or even better you could model it as a black body with acceptable utility and accuracy |
| 19:20.02 | youtah | wants to go play with these new cameras |
| 19:20.08 | youtah | they are going to be a big upgrade |
| 19:20.19 | TodPunk | I wonder how detailed they will be at night |
| 19:20.49 | TodPunk | I would love it if they can get a license plate 500 ft away |
| 19:20.53 | TodPunk | but I doubt it |
| 19:22.13 | youtah | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHi40kyKbVY |
| 19:22.49 | youtah | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_LNorFyWcQ |
| 19:22.53 | youtah | Thats a better one |
| 19:23.16 | youtah | Change the settings to the 1440p HD |
| 19:24.18 | youtah | here's daytime |
| 19:24.19 | youtah | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNnlCMhC32s |
| 19:25.29 | youtah | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-PKlncFoa8 << daytime |
| 19:27.50 | jfindlay | youtah has discovered "Day" |
| 19:28.06 | TodPunk | youtah: I saw the videos you posted, but figured they were filtered |
| 19:28.39 | TodPunk | regardless, that totally isn't getting the license plates down the road |
| 19:30.51 | youtah | youtube lacks the zoom in feature that CIS Miami has |
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| 19:31.57 | jfindlay | can it detect fingerprints at 128 metres? |
| 19:32.05 | jima | only if you enhance |
| 19:32.07 | youtah | kilos |
| 19:32.19 | jfindlay | nice |
| 19:32.19 | youtah | 128 kilos of finger grease |
| 19:33.07 | youtah | 128kilograms of finger grease looks like this https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Z9_jIa2WADc/hqdefault.jpg |
| 19:34.01 | youtah | speaking about greasy skin |
| 19:34.21 | youtah | I was watching this teenager try on sunglasses in the grocery store. |
| 19:34.24 | youtah | he had serious acne |
| 19:35.23 | youtah | has he put a pair of glasses on, the nose piece rested against a freshly popped and oozing zit, that stuck out like a sore thumb |
| 19:35.44 | youtah | I thought, omg.. how many other odd face goos are on these things? |
| 19:35.56 | youtah | my oldest sister about threw up |
| 19:36.06 | youtah | ah no has |
| 19:36.07 | log0ymxm_ | I think that about many public surfaces |
| 19:36.08 | youtah | as |
| 20:10.53 | TodPunk | how luxurious your lives must be |
| 20:36.30 | fadein | Well, now that Ubuntu is on Linux, surely the SCO case can come to an end |
| 20:36.58 | youtah | fyi |
| 20:37.08 | youtah | apt-tet doesnt work |
| 20:37.21 | TodPunk | what is apt-tet? |
| 20:37.31 | youtah | its like apt-get |
| 20:37.32 | TodPunk | an egyptian package manager? |
| 20:37.36 | youtah | but less functiona |
| 20:37.41 | youtah | functional |
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| 20:38.04 | TodPunk | holy hell, youtah, are you typing with your nose or something? |
| 20:38.37 | fadein | is your keyboard totally gummed up with nacho cheese? |
| 20:39.22 | TodPunk | We learned on twitter that youtah's taste in nachos is terrible |
| 20:39.50 | youtah | I didnt say that was my preference |
| 20:39.58 | youtah | I just said that I know how to work the 7-11 pump really well |
| 20:40.17 | youtah | THAT |
| 20:40.24 | youtah | That's what we need in TM! |
| 20:40.28 | youtah | A freaking 7-11 |
| 20:40.35 | youtah | think of the slurpees and nachos |
| 20:43.00 | TodPunk | I can make nachos at home |
| 20:43.03 | TodPunk | like, any time |
| 20:43.16 | TodPunk | but I prefer they have meat, which limits my making of them |
| 20:43.28 | youtah | but there is a little bit of magic that is missing when it doesnt come from a machine |
| 20:43.46 | TodPunk | that's not magic, that's plastic |
| 20:43.53 | jfindlay | youtah: you should extract that from the machine and sell it |
| 20:43.54 | youtah | a machine that makes a chugging sounds |
| 20:43.55 | jfindlay | on etsy |
| 20:43.59 | jfindlay | nacho magic extract |
| 20:44.13 | youtah | nacho magic, it's mine! |
| 20:44.16 | TodPunk | aka hot sauce |
| 20:44.35 | jfindlay | cold sauce |
| 20:45.16 | youtah | moist sauce |
| 20:45.55 | TodPunk | supple sauce |
| 20:46.36 | youtah | I am just glad that they have a machine to pump the cheese for me |
| 20:46.47 | youtah | it's a long ways from the tanks underground up to the counter |
| 20:54.37 | jfindlay | it's a utility |
| 20:54.57 | jfindlay | you have water, natural gas, electricity, intarwebz, and cheese |
| 20:57.35 | jima | jfindlay: don't be ridiculous |
| 20:57.47 | jima | jfindlay: intarwebz aren't a utility |
| 20:58.07 | jfindlay | jima: well I was being idealculous |
| 20:58.15 | jima | ok, carry on |
| 20:58.16 | jfindlay | did I leave out anything? |
| 20:59.03 | jlp_znc | youtah: dude, you're going to have to get new license plates! |
| 20:59.24 | jima | jlp_znc: CHEESY? |
| 20:59.38 | youtah | i know! |
| 20:59.59 | youtah | KB4CON is available |
| 21:00.06 | youtah | or was |
| 21:00.08 | youtah | last time I checked |
| 21:00.10 | youtah | iirc |
| 21:00.43 | youtah | I though W7FSM would be a fun one too. |
| 21:00.51 | youtah | FSM = Flying Spaghetti Monster |
| 21:01.08 | jima | CHEESY is already issued |
| 21:01.10 | youtah | there is a guy, probably the master of all radios ever, Dave is his name |
| 21:01.12 | romanovic | youtah: we're in a new era of utility delivery, it's not just tubes now. drones can be automated to deliver cylinders of cheese to your home's cheese receptacle located just outside of the kitchen |
| 21:01.21 | jima | CHEESEY isn't |
| 21:01.25 | youtah | lol romanovic |
| 21:01.31 | youtah | but Daves call sign is W7MBR |
| 21:01.40 | youtah | I only remember it by Windows 7 Master Boot Record |
| 21:01.41 | romanovic | then it can be extruded as needed in the home |
| 21:02.16 | youtah | If there's a broken radio, and it's physically possible to repair it, he can do it |
| 21:02.31 | jima | utah dmv site is dumb, i select "amateur radio" and it says "this special group cannot be personalized" |
| 21:02.37 | jima | ...duh, of course it can? |
| 21:02.42 | youtah | lol |
| 21:02.48 | youtah | you have to bring in your FCC paperwork |
| 21:03.01 | youtah | and it doesnt cost extra |
| 21:03.09 | jima | oh, they consider it a non-personalized special group plate |
| 21:03.18 | jima | even though it's...pretty well personalized |
| 21:03.27 | youtah | lol |
| 21:03.34 | jima | youtah: you can fax/email the supporting documentation |
| 21:03.43 | youtah | What? |
| 21:03.46 | youtah | what page are you on? |
| 21:03.49 | youtah | that is so much easier |
| 21:04.19 | jima | https://mvp.tax.utah.gov/_/ Vehicle Options: Personalized and Special Group Plates |
| 21:04.29 | jima | you can't hotlink for crap on this site |
| 21:04.34 | jima | and it times sessions out |
| 21:04.37 | youtah | lol |
| 21:04.55 | jima | you want to: order non-personalized special group plates |
| 21:05.20 | youtah | Ah, its a one time $10 fee |
| 21:05.29 | youtah | with no annual fee |
| 21:05.41 | jima | see? |
| 21:06.01 | youtah | Oh and $4 for shipping and handling |
| 21:06.07 | youtah | so a one time $14 |
| 21:06.08 | jima | it's hard to find the right page, the faq doesn't say you can do it online (last i looked) |
| 21:06.41 | jima | that's the page i used to get my plates, so i know it works :-P |
| 21:07.11 | youtah | http://dmv.utah.gov/plates/special-group |
| 21:07.50 | youtah | LOL |
| 21:07.59 | youtah | amateur radio plates are cheaper than handicap plates |
| 21:08.06 | jima | that's just mean |
| 21:08.17 | youtah | theyre one in the same aren't they? |
| 21:08.38 | youtah | digs for a youtube video |
| 21:08.39 | jlp_znc | socially handicapped isn't the same as physically handicapped |
| 21:08.48 | jima | jlp_znc: yeah |
| 21:09.29 | youtah | https://www.facebook.com/weloveengineering/videos/776832135722409/ |
| 21:09.36 | jlp_znc | although they must be issuing them for mentally handicapped people as I have seen a lot of people parking in the handicap spots, hanging up the tag, and then casually walking into the store with no sign of a physical handicap. |
| 21:09.41 | youtah | Not quite youtube, but I found the video |
| 21:11.51 | jima | i hate it when the global cio walks into my office and asks about a buzzword |
| 21:12.12 | jima | jlp_znc: not all legitimate disabilities are visible, dude. |
| 21:12.33 | youtah | jima, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ntPxdWAWq8 |
| 21:13.02 | jima | youtah: so old. |
| 21:13.07 | youtah | i know |
| 21:13.10 | youtah | but still so good |
| 21:13.14 | jima | it came up the other day too |
| 21:13.22 | youtah | fine the |
| 21:13.23 | youtah | n |
| 21:14.22 | jlp_znc | jima, name six |
| 21:14.37 | youtah | takes the link away from jima for his ungreatful handling of the youtube video |
| 21:14.44 | jlp_znc | that would require your being issued a handicap license tag |
| 21:14.52 | youtah | Cancer |
| 21:15.00 | jlp_znc | disease, not handicap |
| 21:15.35 | youtah | my prevous neighbor has a handicap plate because she has cancer |
| 21:15.52 | jlp_znc | seriously? |
| 21:15.52 | youtah | her chemo makes her very weak, but she appears normal (wearing a wig) |
| 21:15.59 | youtah | Yup |
| 21:16.02 | jima | jlp_znc: heart conditions, fibromyalgia, amputation (don't assume you can tell), visual impairments |
| 21:16.07 | jima | there's four at least |
| 21:16.24 | youtah | there was a guy that walked up to her and started yelling at her, and she whipped of her wig and said "Excuse my a$$hole?" |
| 21:17.15 | joshh | people that are nazis about parking placard needs are so dumb |
| 21:17.19 | youtah | Jill Fenton was her name |
| 21:17.36 | jlp_znc | youtah, did she have a permanent tag or a temporary one? |
| 21:17.38 | jima | jlp_znc: here, read the form: http://tax.utah.gov/forms/current/tc-842.pdf |
| 21:17.49 | youtah | I dont know if it was permenant or temporary |
| 21:17.55 | jima | "cannot walk two hundred feet without stopping to rest" is pretty broad |
| 21:18.22 | jima | my wife has disability plates, but no visible disability, so i'm a bit sensitive to the topic. |
| 21:18.36 | jima | she gets a lot of dirty looks/gripes from assholes |
| 21:19.20 | youtah | my mother had handicap plates because she used to driver her blind brother around. She wasn only supposed to exercise them when he was in the car. |
| 21:19.34 | youtah | I have his unopened Beatles vinyl albums |
| 21:19.35 | jlp_znc | well, my condolences for your wife's physical disability. I believe, however, that there are a significant number of people who abuse the tags. |
| 21:19.54 | youtah | I do think the abuse is greater than I would like to see too |
| 21:19.57 | jima | i'd estimate it to be the vast minority of use |
| 21:20.02 | joshh | i also don't get people who care a lot about parking close to the door, and feel bitter towards people who get to who aren't handicapped enough |
| 21:20.21 | jlp_znc | youtah: yes, I was aware that blindness was a criteria... obviously, the driver of the vehicle would not be expected to use the tag when not transporting the disabled person. |
| 21:20.22 | joshh | just walk a few dozen feet |
| 21:21.16 | jima | jlp_znc: i drive her van a lot...i don't park in handicap spaces unless i'm driving her, or dropping her off/picking her up |
| 21:21.24 | jlp_znc | joshh: my gripe is specifically towards people who abuse them. after my wife's total knee replacement, she had a disabled hang tag for six weeks. |
| 21:21.39 | jima | her spare placard is in my car...i tend to forget it's there. |
| 21:21.49 | jlp_znc | there were many times that we observed people who were fairly obviously not handicapped using the tags and parking in the handicap spaces. |
| 21:22.08 | youtah | I knew two sales guys (brothers) that had their moms handicap plates |
| 21:22.18 | youtah | and I remember listening to them fight when one brother threw them away |
| 21:22.18 | joshh | ya abusers are bad people but it's tough to tell if/why someone really needs it, so the people that give glares or complain are bad |
| 21:22.20 | jima | jlp_znc: i notice people without tags parking in them far, far more than people with tags who don't "look handicapped" |
| 21:22.26 | youtah | because the other brother wanted to keep using them |
| 21:23.11 | jlp_znc | jima: when you see someone pull in, hang the tag, then jump out of the car and run into the store, it's kind of a giveaway. |
| 21:23.51 | jlp_znc | I generally don't challenge people who do it, but I do get up tight about it. |
| 21:26.39 | youtah | it sounds like everyone is pretty much in agreeance |
| 21:26.42 | youtah | is that a word? |
| 21:26.44 | youtah | agreeance |
| 21:26.48 | joshh | yes |
| 21:26.52 | joshh | i think i've seen it around |
| 21:27.09 | youtah | "While agreeance is a word, it hasn't often been used since the 19th century, whereas agreement is both correct and common. Best to go with agreement." - Google |
| 21:27.24 | youtah | lets bring back agreeance |
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| 21:27.36 | youtah | three vowels in a row looks freaking awesome |
| 21:27.39 | jima | RuShan: utopia dhcp...why? :-P |
| 21:27.45 | TodPunk | make agreeance great again |
| 21:27.59 | jima | youtah: that's an agreeable idea |
| 21:28.28 | jfindlay | agreeicide |
| 21:28.50 | youtah | hmmmmm, grep works |
| 21:28.56 | youtah | then sudo grep same command... doesnt |
| 21:28.58 | youtah | hmmmmm |
| 21:29.11 | jima | does the sudo unescape something? |
| 21:29.14 | jlp_znc | what are you grepping? |
| 21:29.16 | fadein | youtah: what's the whole command you're typing? |
| 21:29.32 | youtah | grep -ir "nachos" . |
| 21:29.34 | youtah | versus |
| 21:29.40 | youtah | sudo grep -ir "nachos" . |
| 21:29.55 | jima | youtah: is grep aliased to anything for your user? |
| 21:30.00 | jlp_znc | you're grepping the directory? |
| 21:30.02 | youtah | dont think so |
| 21:30.07 | jima | jlp_znc: -r |
| 21:30.11 | jlp_znc | ahh |
| 21:30.13 | jima | recursive |
| 21:30.37 | jima | alias grep='grep --color=auto' |
| 21:30.41 | jima | apparently, on my distro |
| 21:30.45 | jima | shouldn't matter |
| 21:31.08 | youtah | Latest Ubuntu |
| 21:31.25 | jima | `alias | grep grep` :-D |
| 21:31.36 | youtah | lol |
| 21:32.28 | youtah | I kind of want to try out Windows 10 now |
| 21:32.33 | youtah | with the Ubuntu addition |
| 21:32.43 | jlp_znc | youtah: run "type grep" |
| 21:32.49 | youtah | seems either extremely awesome or extremely frustrating |
| 21:33.06 | jima | maybe i'll try it on my new work laptop |
| 21:33.09 | jfindlay | `type -ap grep` |
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| 21:34.12 | jlp_znc | you don't want -p as that will suppress any non-files |
| 21:34.33 | jlp_znc | just "type -a grep" |
| 21:35.06 | youtah | grep is aliased to `grep --color=auto' |
| 21:35.06 | youtah | grep is /bin/grep |
| 21:35.59 | jlp_znc | so, exactly how is it failing with sudo vs without? does your sudoers file have env_reset in it? |
| 21:36.39 | youtah | it doesnt return a thing |
| 21:36.46 | youtah | its like the stdout is going elsewhere |
| 21:36.56 | jlp_znc | but without sudo, it prints stuff |
| 21:37.02 | youtah | yup |
| 21:37.34 | jlp_znc | is there anything weird in the sudoers file? |
| 21:37.39 | youtah | nada |
| 21:37.45 | youtah | this is a fresh install |
| 21:38.23 | jlp_znc | if you run sudo /bin/grep whatever, does it work? |
| 21:38.39 | youtah | hmmm, interesting |
| 21:38.41 | youtah | let me try |
| 21:39.07 | youtah | lol |
| 21:39.08 | youtah | nope |
| 21:39.32 | youtah | well, I found the file I was looking for manually |
| 21:39.43 | youtah | no more yak shaving |
| 21:40.19 | shalkie | But yaks could overheat |
| 21:40.31 | shalkie | Overheated Yak is no bueno. |
| 21:40.49 | voldemortensen | sudo type -a grep |
| 21:47.27 | shalkie | For anyone that is interested OALUG is going to be held this evening at 7pm at GuruLabs in centerville. The Topic is Puppet and puppet modules. |
| 21:50.10 | jfindlay | that actually makes me actively disinterested :-) |
| 22:07.35 | shalkie | jfindlay: Well if you think there is a better technology you would like to share with us, we would be happy to have you as a Presenter. :D |
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| 22:16.13 | jfindlay | shalkie: you let me know when you want it and I'll give a presentation on salt anytime :) |
| 22:34.24 | rsimpkins | youtah: What's your best bet on which callsign you are going to get tomorrow? |
| 22:40.07 | youtah | W1LX |
| 22:40.24 | youtah | N1CW I think is my next best bet |
| 22:40.30 | youtah | which would be pretty cool |
| 22:41.16 | youtah | I believe it goes through at 2am |
| 22:45.55 | rsimpkins | LX - luxury? |
| 22:46.27 | rsimpkins | Are you going to stay up all night and camp the FCC DB, or have your script auto-page you at 3am when the dust clears? |
| 22:50.02 | youtah | I think I am going to camp |
| 22:50.15 | youtah | Apparently Herbert vetoed three more bills |
| 22:50.21 | youtah | http://www.ksl.com/?sid=39121556&nid=757&title=gov-herbert-vetoes-3-bills-budget-for-early-education-programs |
| 22:50.23 | rsimpkins | Well, I have a 6am rise time... so let me sleep! :) |
| 22:50.43 | rsimpkins | Get to judge a photography competition tomorrow. |
| 22:50.50 | rsimpkins | field photography FTW! |
| 22:51.00 | rsimpkins | Just starts really early in the AM. |
| 22:51.04 | youtah | sounds awesome |
| 22:51.12 | youtah | I just upgraded to the Samsung Galaxy S7 |
| 22:51.20 | rsimpkins | Thoughts? |
| 22:51.22 | youtah | it has an almost full manual camera in it |
| 22:51.27 | youtah | So far I freaking love it |
| 22:51.29 | rsimpkins | Interesting. |
| 22:51.32 | youtah | SOOOO much better than the S5 |
| 22:51.38 | youtah | I was growing to hate the S5 |
| 22:52.46 | youtah | Just FB messaged you some sample photos |
| 22:52.56 | youtah | it also allows me to set this on a timer and take shots as long as 30 seconds |
| 22:53.55 | rsimpkins | Nice DR and DOF. Looks like decent low light performance and low noise as well... but I can't really see too well on the phone. |
| 22:54.23 | youtah | yeah |
| 22:54.26 | youtah | youre correct |
| 22:54.29 | youtah | I am shocked |
| 22:54.38 | youtah | and it allows me to go underwater for 30 minutes up to 1 meter |
| 22:55.08 | rsimpkins | Shots on a rainy day? :) |
| 22:55.14 | youtah | exactly |
| 22:56.16 | youtah | alright |
| 22:56.18 | youtah | I am outta here |
| 22:56.22 | youtah | I have Lehi CERT stuff tonight |
| 22:56.24 | jfindlay | youtah: https://xkcd.com/909/ |
| 22:56.45 | levi | Hmm. My phone came out at the same time as the Galaxy S3. |
| 22:56.56 | levi | I'll upgrade one of these days, I guess. |
| 22:57.08 | youtah | PERFECT jfindlay |
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