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| 00:34.17 | levi | programmerq: I am offended you made a list of a bunch of headphone makers without including JBL or AKG, which are obviously superior. :P |
| 00:38.13 | eightyeight | TodPunk: yeah. he grabbed her arm, and pulled her away |
| 00:38.50 | TodPunk | levi: there isn't anything that isn't superior to Beats by Dre |
| 00:38.57 | eightyeight | TodPunk: aiui, battery is interferring with ones physical body against their will |
| 00:39.00 | TodPunk | I'm not even speaking in hyperbole there |
| 00:39.06 | eightyeight | ianal |
| 00:39.27 | eightyeight | but, the action did appear forceful |
| 00:39.36 | TodPunk | eightyeight: yeah, I saw a dude who WAS a lawyer cite the actual law on that one. Then I realized I was actually devoting time to this and closed the tab |
| 00:39.49 | eightyeight | it seems she does have ground to charge him |
| 00:39.59 | eightyeight | heh |
| 00:40.07 | TodPunk | If it wasn't a security detail thing, there's a good case I think |
| 00:40.21 | TodPunk | it will be dumb in court, I'm sure |
| 00:41.05 | eightyeight | i bet it settles, and doesn't see a day of trial |
| 00:44.29 | TodPunk | given Trumps history, that's valid. Given that this isn't Trump, I'm not sure |
| 00:48.12 | RyanE | being he's not security staff, I'd assume settle as well. |
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| 03:27.25 | klys | https://www.ksl.com/?sid=39096310 |
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| 03:35.20 | TodPunk | Was that not a requirement before? For every human being everywhere? |
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| 03:45.43 | keldwud | hey anybody got any promotional codes for openwest? I'm paying out of my own pocket and paying for saltconf has left my budget hurting. PM me if you know of any deals |
| 03:46.52 | TodPunk | LDUG |
| 03:47.49 | TodPunk | You need to start attending the meetups. Though I guess with the kid going to bed at a reasonable hour that would hamper that |
| 03:50.39 | keldwud | yup, my daughter goes to bed at 1930 |
| 03:51.10 | keldwud | isn't the user group in the south end of the valley anyway? |
| 03:51.25 | TodPunk | Specifically the adobe building |
| 03:51.35 | TodPunk | though it's a short walk from the train station |
| 03:51.37 | keldwud | oh, that's the north end of the *other* valley :) |
| 03:51.43 | TodPunk | mhmmm |
| 03:51.45 | TodPunk | the cool valley |
| 03:51.52 | keldwud | haha, not anymore :) |
| 03:52.07 | keldwud | now salt lake is the cool valley cuz I'm here |
| 03:52.47 | keldwud | I can still spring for openwest, I have *just* enough credit left over to max it out |
| 03:52.58 | keldwud | I keep maxing out my credit on conferences and classes! |
| 03:53.20 | keldwud | kinda like getting school loans, I guess |
| 03:54.59 | TodPunk | sleeps like the devil |
| 03:55.50 | keldwud | the devil doesn't sleep at night! |
| 03:56.11 | keldwud | that's when he comes out and makes us make out with people and drink alcohol and stuff like that! |
| 03:56.17 | keldwud | I heard he comes out at midnight. |
| 03:56.31 | keldwud | so that's why we have to be in bed before then |
| 03:59.29 | keldwud | hey when was the openwest at the library? was that 2013? |
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| 15:30.39 | spangborn | Utah valley has never been cool. |
| 15:30.40 | spangborn | Ever. |
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| 16:21.14 | jnbek | spangborn: lies, it became cool when I moved here!! :D |
| 16:21.47 | spangborn | Bit of a twisted definition of "cool" then ;p |
| 16:23.10 | SunSparc | ~cool jnbek |
| 16:23.10 | infobot | ACTION takes out a fan to wave over jnbek but decides to beat jnbek with it instead |
| 16:23.38 | jnbek | ow |
| 16:23.39 | spangborn | Pow pow pow. |
| 16:23.48 | jnbek | shakes fist at infobot :-P |
| 16:24.09 | SunSparc | Such an angry bot. |
| 16:24.16 | jnbek | seriously |
| 16:26.15 | spangborn | It just needs some bot-y to love. |
| 16:28.43 | spangborn | ~love |
| 16:28.43 | infobot | somebody said love was baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more |
| 16:32.54 | SunSparc | Yeah, looks like infobot has been abused. |
| 16:34.38 | spangborn | Well, youtah did tell it what to do. |
| 16:38.14 | SunSparc | ~tell youtah what to do |
| 16:38.44 | voldemortensen | ~youtah |
| 16:38.44 | infobot | Did someone say Nachos? |
| 17:21.09 | fadein | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/03/ubuntus-bash-and-linux-command-line-coming-to-windows-10 |
| 17:38.44 | spangborn | Hell is freezing over. |
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| 17:48.50 | jfindlay | does ubuntu have it's own flavor of bash? |
| 17:50.10 | spangborn | I believe it's just standard bash. |
| 17:53.54 | fadein | they picked Ubuntu's userland because that's what M$'s survey said their users wanted |
| 17:54.31 | fadein | but, if they have really implemented a compatible Kernel API, I suppose there is no reason in principle why you couldn't use somebody else's userland |
| 17:55.04 | fadein | I just hope that they have fixed cmd.exe, since that's apparently your terminal emulator |
| 18:15.06 | jfindlay | maybe the survey takers don't realize that ubuntu doesn't own the userland |
| 18:15.15 | jfindlay | beyond a few icons, colors, and fonts |
| 18:17.13 | levi | I think by "userland" they mean the selection of default tools, their defaults and config mechanism, along with package management tools and strategy. |
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| 18:32.29 | fadein | and all of the .so files built and shipped on an ubuntu system that all of those tools will link into |
| 18:33.23 | fadein | at least Microsoft has finally done something that makes me want to take a look at Windows 10 |
| 18:33.40 | fadein | but I must wonder if Cortana is going to sync my .bash_history up to Azure... |
| 18:34.17 | jfindlay | fadein: you should rather be wondering how often that is going to happen |
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| 19:02.35 | jlp_znc | so, I've been looking for some consulting to pick up, and thought I would take a look at freelancer.com. seems 90+% of the jobs on there are some form or other of "please do my homework for me" |
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| 19:08.02 | fadein | I can pay people to do my homework? |
| 19:08.04 | fadein | sheesh |
| 19:08.34 | RyanE | I've never understood paying someone for doing homework for a class in the major you're studying. |
| 19:08.40 | RyanE | eventually, you're going to have to know that crap. |
| 19:09.04 | jfindlay | RyanE: or you've figured out how to run a business |
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| 19:09.42 | jfindlay | you're nominatively the person in charge, but you just route all the responsibility and money through yourself to the appropriate parties |
| 19:10.52 | jfindlay | "Yes, I'm a 'developer', that is I and my team of consultants constitute one logical developer" |
| 19:12.31 | voldemortensen | jlp_znc: I've only done one job from there. And it seemed like it was a dev agency that took jobs and then freelanced the actual work out for slightly more than they quoted. |
| 19:13.48 | voldemortensen | As a side note, this was before I actually knew how to code and just slapped together a pretty shoddy WordPress site. |
| 19:14.02 | voldemortensen | I'm still embarrassed that the guy actually paid me for that garbage. |
| 19:14.52 | RyanE | I think they'd freelance it out for slightly *less* than they quoted. Otherwise, bad business skillz... :) |
| 19:15.26 | voldemortensen | Or I'm bad at thinking. |
| 19:15.33 | voldemortensen | Either way, its probably their fault. |
| 19:20.22 | jlp_znc | I have seen a few legit gigs, but most of them seem to be along the lines of "I need this software written. It must be written on windows in language X. It must do A, B, and C and be well commented." |
| 19:21.47 | jlp_znc | example: Write a program that calculates the CRC-15 value for a given file and which can also verify the correctness of a given file that already has a CRC-15 value appended to it, as more fully described below. Use the CRC polynomial: x15+x13+ x6+x4+x1+1. |
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| 19:47.14 | *** topic/#utah is Utah related discussion including user groups | logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | See also ##lds |
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| 20:56.42 | youtah | http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2016/03/ubuntu-on-windows.html |
| 20:58.44 | youtah | doesn't. under. stand.... |
| 20:58.58 | youtah | "An Ubuntu user space and bash shell, running natively in a Windows 10 cmd.exe console!" |
| 20:59.04 | youtah | cmd.exe is atrocious at best. |
| 20:59.25 | youtah | ~fling cmd.exe |
| 20:59.25 | infobot | ACTION flings poo at cmd.exe |
| 20:59.31 | youtah | ~trump |
| 20:59.31 | infobot | rhymes with orange |
| 20:59.35 | youtah | ~cruz |
| 20:59.35 | infobot | It was just 5 women! |
| 20:59.42 | youtah | ~youtah |
| 20:59.42 | infobot | Did someone say Nachos? |
| 20:59.49 | jfindlay | ~nacho |
| 20:59.49 | infobot | Why can't we ever have just, like, a salad? |
| 20:59.56 | youtah | ~lart fozzmoo |
| 20:59.56 | infobot | drops a humongous exploding nuke on fozzmoo |
| 21:00.11 | youtah | ~nachos |
| 21:00.11 | infobot | schweet. |
| 21:00.26 | youtah | <3's infobot |
| 21:01.21 | fungus | if it's just another executable, you can probably use the PowerShell console which is far better than cmd.exe |
| 21:02.15 | jfindlay | they keep using that word, 'ubuntu user space'. I don't think that word means what you think it means |
| 21:06.15 | youtah | It's the inverse of Wine fungus |
| 21:07.17 | fungus | Yup, but better. It's fully supported. |
| 21:08.21 | jfindlay | 'better'? Microsoft? That sounds like an existential contradiction |
| 21:08.50 | fungus | wine was always a buggy mess. |
| 21:08.50 | jfindlay | pardon me if my anti-microsoft arrogance knocks you over |
| 21:09.25 | jfindlay | fungus: I always thought that was true because they were doing the work of the impossible :) |
| 21:09.52 | jfindlay | but wine seems to have many of the symptoms of a dysfunctional project |
| 21:09.57 | fungus | Right but in this direction it's done by official organizations. |
| 21:10.34 | youtah | Wine is AWESOME |
| 21:10.49 | fungus | lol |
| 21:10.50 | fungus | not |
| 21:10.50 | youtah | assuming AWESOME means it works >40% of the time |
| 21:11.45 | jfindlay | multiple patchsets floating around, even getting officially packaged, extensive warning log spew for even basic actions |
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| 21:28.00 | fadein | The headline on this: http://thenextweb.com/dd/2016/03/30/surface-hub-apps/ |
| 21:28.40 | fadein | Does "painfully" mean the opposite thing now? Along with "bad", "sick", and "literally"? |
| 21:37.11 | fadein | TIL that these things existed as early as 2011: http://www.colinux.org/ http://andlinux.org/ https://sourceforge.net/projects/portableubuntu/ |
| 21:42.06 | jfindlay | at least colinux and andlinux have been around much earlier than 2011 |
| 21:42.22 | jfindlay | the first time I tried colinux was 2004-2005 |
| 21:42.43 | jfindlay | probably 2005 |
| 21:47.11 | levi | I guess this new thing is supposed to be somewhere between cygwin and colinux? |
| 21:50.22 | levi | Speaking of cmd.exe terminal emulatio updates: https://twitter.com/shanselman/status/695738082209853440 |
| 22:16.39 | levi | Apparently it's exactly inverse Wine, or alternatively the Solaris and FreeBSD Linux personality modules. |
| 22:17.22 | levi | So, I wonder what happens if you install Steam for Linux and try to play your Linux-compatible games that way? :) |
| 22:25.56 | fadein | levi: they'll probably run faster |
| 22:27.54 | levi | Possibly. I guess it depends on how that level of translation is implemented. |
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