| 00:27.35 | *** join/#utah janderson (~janderson@50-202-143-210-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 01:44.12 | eightyeight | TodPunk: I don't mind the occasional curse word, but I would prefer the f-bomb to be absent |
| 02:21.03 | *** join/#utah IvAn__ (~StealthTa@63.78.215.164) |
| 02:30.28 | TodPunk | Maybe it's all the europeans I associate with daily, but it sounds more like a personal bias. I don't think you can't have such an opinion, mind, I just don't think it has a place here, personally |
| 02:30.37 | TodPunk | unless we DO want to be #lds, I guess |
| 03:01.47 | eightyeight | it's been a long-standing rule in this channel since i've been in it (~ 2005) |
| 03:53.04 | TodPunk | I was not aware of pet swear words that were exceptions. Admittedly I've only been here since 2009ish |
| 03:53.23 | TodPunk | I'm not saying you're wrong here, mind you |
| 04:05.37 | RyanE | It has been a long-standing convention in here to not use course language. |
| 04:22.14 | TodPunk | anybody know if they've got the tooling down for nginx and letsencrypt? |
| 04:22.47 | TodPunk | I still have some ssl certs I can use, but would love to automate it more |
| 04:23.55 | TodPunk | experimental support, according to the docs. Hmmmm |
| 04:33.26 | programmerq | TodPunk: the support you're talking about is the support where it's supposed to rewrite the config for you. |
| 04:33.32 | programmerq | (I think) |
| 04:33.52 | programmerq | my preferred approach is to do a oneshot first time setup, and then use the docroot method for renews. |
| 04:34.04 | programmerq | the docroot method isn't tied to the nginx config rewriting stuff |
| 06:31.57 | *** join/#utah phemale (phemale@2601:681:4901:7a00::1ef2) |
| 08:23.29 | *** join/#utah mellor (ae177175@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.174.23.113.117) |
| 11:19.24 | *** join/#utah olli (~olli@c-73-20-95-1.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 11:28.40 | *** join/#utah RuShan (~RuShan@2600:100e:b110:aa3b:c9a4:ecec:870c:d45d) |
| 11:29.59 | *** join/#utah emcnabb (~emcnabb@71.65.240.17) |
| 11:29.59 | *** mode/#utah [+v emcnabb] by ChanServ |
| 12:49.04 | *** join/#utah RuShan (~RuShan@2600:100e:b110:aa3b:c9a4:ecec:870c:d45d) |
| 13:01.55 | *** join/#utah emcnabb (emcnabb@nat/redhat/x-qabpgxkpugtiensx) |
| 13:01.56 | *** mode/#utah [+v emcnabb] by ChanServ |
| 13:12.31 | *** join/#utah olli (~olli@172.58.17.150) |
| 13:46.33 | TodPunk | eightyeight: I don't think that chart for the dems counts superdelegates |
| 13:47.08 | eightyeight | it doesn't |
| 13:47.25 | eightyeight | because they're not bound, and can change their vote at any time, i'm not including them |
| 13:50.31 | TodPunk | fair enough |
| 13:51.27 | eightyeight | she will likely get the lion's share of superdelegates, indeed. currently, i think of the 714, ~ 400 have endorsed her. and 25 for bernie |
| 13:51.32 | eightyeight | but that's a whole lot uncommitted. :) |
| 13:52.04 | TodPunk | So wait, Clinton is in the lead, but needs a higher percentage of delegates to win the nomination? |
| 13:52.15 | TodPunk | How can one need 120% of delegates? |
| 13:52.20 | eightyeight | no |
| 13:52.38 | eightyeight | the graph only shows how they've been performing with the delegate count |
| 13:52.52 | eightyeight | she's been performing ahead of target in order to get the popular vote delegates |
| 13:53.11 | eightyeight | sauce: http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/democrats/ |
| 13:53.21 | TodPunk | Politics is confusing and dumb |
| 13:53.51 | eightyeight | the history of the democratic superdelegates is actually an interesting one, if you have 15 minutes |
| 13:54.07 | TodPunk | That's... a long read |
| 13:54.08 | eightyeight | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdelegate#History |
| 13:54.18 | TodPunk | and you say 15 minutes, but that translates to 45 for me |
| 13:54.22 | eightyeight | :) |
| 13:54.44 | TodPunk | has better reading comprehension than most, but is not fast because of it |
| 13:55.11 | TodPunk | Though IRC is getting better. I can skim a lot of that. |
| 13:55.22 | TodPunk | mostly in busy channels |
| 13:58.12 | eightyeight | i'm also compiling a spreadsheet, complete with plots, of voter turnout in the primaries and geneerals since 2000 by party and state |
| 13:58.14 | eightyeight | could be interesting |
| 13:58.28 | eightyeight | something tells me 2016 isn't really all that "record breaking" for either party |
| 13:58.48 | eightyeight | but i'll withold judgement on that until i can visualize the data |
| 14:07.46 | TodPunk | I'll be honest, I couldn't be arsed to go to primaries |
| 14:08.21 | TodPunk | I don't know where all these people get all their extra time to engage in this stuff |
| 14:08.29 | TodPunk | Probably from not working three jobs |
| 14:08.33 | unum | eightyeight: if you're comparing the caucuses to the past primaries you'll see a lower than average turn out |
| 14:08.34 | TodPunk | pansies |
| 14:08.49 | unum | but if you compare caucuses to caucuses you'll see a much higher than average turn out |
| 14:09.34 | eightyeight | states have change from open to semi-open to semi-closed to closed primary/caucus over the years |
| 14:09.43 | eightyeight | it's won't be exactly apples-to-apples, but it'll be close |
| 14:11.02 | unum | I doubt it |
| 14:11.10 | unum | I think you'll see a huge drop in turn out |
| 14:11.18 | eightyeight | i'll keep you posted. :) |
| 14:11.21 | unum | :) |
| 14:11.49 | unum | oh I didn't correctly read your sentance |
| 14:12.02 | unum | I see you were doing it state by state |
| 14:12.04 | unum | so ya |
| 14:12.08 | unum | probably not much change |
| 14:12.13 | eightyeight | and the country as a whole |
| 14:12.13 | unum | it Utah you'll see a huge drop |
| 14:12.17 | eightyeight | and party-for-party |
| 14:12.24 | eightyeight | a number of different stats, really |
| 14:14.45 | eightyeight | i hate how google sheets doesn't honor shift+insert for pasting data... >:( |
| 14:32.35 | *** join/#utah voldemortensen (~Adium@216.50.142.194) |
| 15:05.26 | *** join/#utah BLZbubba (~mark@knm.org) |
| 15:06.00 | *** join/#utah BLZbubba (~mark@pdpc/supporter/professional/blzbubba) |
| 15:10.57 | *** join/#utah josephscott (~josephsco@192.0.98.247) |
| 15:11.20 | *** join/#utah tiwula (~lane@70.89.246.241-Busname-UT.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 15:42.41 | *** join/#utah manithree (~blr@li4-76.members.linode.com) |
| 15:49.14 | *** join/#utah olli_ (~olli@172.58.17.150) |
| 15:53.32 | *** join/#utah olli (~olli@172.58.17.150) |
| 16:01.05 | *** join/#utah olli (~olli@172.58.17.150) |
| 17:08.47 | jlp_znc | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHtKx2jk40U |
| 17:09.06 | jima | eightyeight: i think the threat of a multi-industry boycott may have been a factor. |
| 17:09.12 | jima | (re: GA) |
| 17:10.29 | eightyeight | shrug. he did the right thing, regardless of his motivations |
| 17:10.48 | jima | yep. |
| 17:24.20 | jima | the full transcript is an interesting read |
| 17:25.54 | *** join/#utah Skimice (~jared@c-98-202-242-51.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 17:26.52 | eightyeight | listening to glenn beck about the ted cruz sex scandal (shoot me now) |
| 17:28.08 | jfindlay | lol |
| 17:28.33 | jfindlay | eightyeight always does the hard things for the benefit of humanity |
| 17:30.53 | *** join/#utah lane_ (~lane@70.89.246.241-Busname-UT.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 17:33.53 | eightyeight | takes the bullet for the team |
| 17:41.42 | jima | might be a tad bit awkward if there's any truth to it |
| 17:42.06 | jima | particularly since i imagine cruz trounced trump in utah on account of the better perception of family values. |
| 17:42.30 | eightyeight | well, that and every major conversative in the state endorsed him |
| 17:44.14 | *** join/#utah voldemortensen (~Adium@216.50.142.194) |
| 17:45.19 | jima | just reinforces utah's tawdry affair with sexual deviancy |
| 17:45.34 | jima | state just can't catch a break |
| 17:46.12 | eightyeight | heh |
| 17:47.36 | jfindlay | a traditional affair or four may not be enough to decountenance such an ideal candidate's match for the state's hyper straight-lined worldview against the outsized spectre that is The Donald |
| 17:47.50 | jfindlay | ~trump |
| 17:47.50 | infobot | \o/ |
| 17:50.08 | jima | jfindlay: i agree |
| 17:50.28 | jima | it'd probably take multip,e same-sex affairs to tip the scales |
| 17:50.52 | jima | not saying anything bad about utah with this, just about the donald |
| 17:51.19 | jfindlay | or prove that he's secretly more like The Donald than we know |
| 17:51.25 | eightyeight | well, at least the donald isn't standing on a high morality horse |
| 17:51.34 | jima | eightyeight: there is that |
| 17:51.40 | jima | "trusTED" |
| 17:51.41 | eightyeight | that's what's disgusting about tho whole thing to me, if the allegations are true |
| 17:51.51 | jfindlay | on a scale of normal to The Donald, where lies Cruze? |
| 17:52.18 | eightyeight | 11 |
| 17:52.48 | jima | eightyeight: but what does the donald =? 1000? |
| 17:52.57 | jima | (cloud sizing joke here) |
| 17:53.03 | eightyeight | 42 |
| 17:53.21 | jima | i was amused to discover i live in utah house district 42 |
| 17:53.27 | eightyeight | hah |
| 17:53.28 | jfindlay | The Donald has the appearance of being honest about his sins |
| 17:53.39 | jima | so were the people in front of me in line (who asked) |
| 17:53.40 | eightyeight | gets lunch |
| 17:54.00 | frostyfrog | Utah house district 42? |
| 17:54.03 | romanovic | several months ago, I would have placed ted cruz near the bottom on my nominee preference chart, just a hair above Trump, and assumed both would have been out of the race long before now |
| 17:54.23 | jfindlay | romanovic: me too, sadly |
| 17:54.55 | jfindlay | not much more hairs for Hillary, for that matter |
| 17:54.58 | romanovic | but now that they are both still in and it looks like Trump becoming the nominee could be a reality, I think to myself, Cruz looks a little bit better now, if only he can shut out Trump... |
| 17:55.55 | romanovic | though he's still second to last (of 3) in order of preference for me |
| 17:56.47 | jfindlay | they're all last place choices for me |
| 17:56.59 | jfindlay | but I suppose that is normal |
| 17:59.13 | *** join/#utah phemale (phemale@2601:681:4901:7a00::1ef2) |
| 17:59.42 | *** join/#utah jima (jima@fedora/jima) |
| 17:59.46 | romanovic | jfindlay: that's what primaries and caucuses are for! the radicals bury all the reasonable candidates from the center and work their way outward |
| 18:00.13 | romanovic | then we get the worst outlier candidates as options |
| 18:00.45 | jfindlay | Romney seems like normal sauce compared to this year's circus |
| 18:00.50 | jima | no one would ever want a moderate |
| 18:02.03 | jima | mitt's probably watching this thinking "WHY did i already burn all of my political capital?" |
| 18:02.47 | jima | although i will absolutely give him credit for very publicly stating his position when he didn't have a horse in the game. |
| 18:03.34 | jfindlay | jima: it also doesn't help that Utah Mormon's own darling in congress is best friends with Cruize |
| 18:04.40 | jima | jfindlay: i don't really follow lds politics (what a phrase that is!), so i didn't know that. |
| 18:05.06 | jfindlay | jima: Mike Lee |
| 18:05.15 | jfindlay | a real hit and miss (mostly miss) |
| 18:05.24 | jima | well, i knew it had to be either lee or hatch |
| 18:05.38 | jfindlay | I grudgingly like him better than Hatch, which says as much as you think it should |
| 18:06.09 | jima | is that as much of a non-statement as it seems? |
| 18:06.58 | jfindlay | resists the temptation to regress into rhetorical ridiculousness |
| 18:07.32 | jima | i almost offered an analogy, but decided it might be too offensive (even for me). |
| 18:07.57 | jfindlay | occasionally he'll say something positive about civil and/or personal liberty, but I wonder if only because it conforms to that one corner of state identity politics |
| 18:09.02 | jfindlay | whereas Hatch is thoroughly bellicose on big government and big corp |
| 18:11.20 | *** join/#utah RuShan (~RuShan@2600:100e:b110:aa3b:c9a4:ecec:870c:d45d) |
| 18:43.25 | *** join/#utah Skimice (~jared@64.77.244.170) |
| 18:52.48 | TodPunk | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYRlTISvjww |
| 19:03.44 | *** join/#utah olli (~olli@172.58.17.150) |
| 19:19.45 | *** join/#utah Skimice (~jared@64.77.244.170) |
| 19:20.49 | romanovic | TodPunk: "Don't reboot it, just patch" I'm guessing they're not talking about servers from a Redmond company |
| 19:21.31 | romanovic | just noticed the video was posted by Suse |
| 19:25.24 | *** join/#utah frostyfrog (~frostyfro@unaffiliated/frostyfrog) |
| 19:25.34 | eightyeight | it's the best parody i've seen in a long time |
| 19:25.45 | eightyeight | it pays to not have nerds star in your nerd music video |
| 19:26.51 | jima | they weren't nerds? |
| 19:27.24 | eightyeight | if nerds look that good, i've been getting hired with the wrong employers |
| 19:27.39 | jima | european nerds, mind |
| 19:27.48 | jima | (i think?) |
| 19:32.05 | TodPunk | romanovic: your data may be quite old. A lot of windows updates don't require a reboot. For instance, Video driver updates since Vista have been live. |
| 19:32.41 | TodPunk | major system libs obviously still require it, but most linux admins aren't going to live-patch the kernel or anything |
| 19:32.59 | jima | TodPunk: defending microsoft? why do you hate freedom? |
| 19:33.08 | TodPunk | Mostly because I like freedom |
| 19:33.19 | TodPunk | sort of a catch-22 situation |
| 19:33.39 | eightyeight | i don't have a problem with maintenance reboots |
| 19:33.45 | TodPunk | (Pro tip: don't use Windows Server for a web stack unless you really do need IIS, in which case god help you) |
| 19:33.46 | eightyeight | it's random reboots i get up in arms about |
| 19:34.18 | eightyeight | regularly scheduled patching and rebooting systems is actually quite healthy, despite $UPTIME |
| 19:34.34 | TodPunk | I hate having to do it to VM Hosts |
| 19:34.48 | jima | eightyeight: i have a couple bare-metal windows servers sitting in a datacenter in $eu with uptimes of 704 & 1028 days |
| 19:35.09 | jfindlay | eightyeight: as long as you can provide uptime with peer hosts in your environment, there shouldn't be a problem, right? :-) |
| 19:35.11 | jima | windows can sustain crazy uptimes these days, just like linux |
| 19:35.43 | romanovic | that may be the case, I've never been a Windows admin. I won't be happy until I can quit rebooting my windows desktop for anything less than a major system update |
| 19:35.51 | eightyeight | we have a few hosts that are 2500+ days of uptime |
| 19:35.54 | eightyeight | it's actually quite sad |
| 19:35.57 | eightyeight | heh |
| 19:38.34 | fungus | TodPunk, why? Those are the easiest. |
| 19:39.12 | fungus | Migrate VMs to another host, reboot, (optionally) migrate VMs back. |
| 19:39.26 | jima | fungus: assuming abstracted storage, yeah |
| 19:39.35 | jima | i've seen some...unfortunate setups. |
| 19:40.00 | TodPunk | fungus: I have one server |
| 19:40.03 | fungus | ah, ouch. That would hurt then. |
| 19:40.27 | TodPunk | Most setups I have used aren't so desperate for uptime on guests as to have farm that migrates back and forth |
| 19:40.55 | TodPunk | Hell, they're not even stored on an array, just a hard drive. I back them up regularly, mind you |
| 19:40.57 | fungus | Yes, but even the productivity gained by having that ability is worth it. |
| 19:41.05 | TodPunk | no |
| 19:41.36 | TodPunk | You're talking a lot of expense and HOURS of work to save 5 minutes of lost uptime per reboot |
| 19:42.08 | jfindlay | TodPunk: use salt :-) |
| 19:42.09 | fungus | No, I mean the ability to migrate VMs to another host to perform reboots, hardware maint, etc. |
| 19:42.38 | TodPunk | Once you're big enough, this makes sense, but I am not a sysadmin and I don't run my own stuff with big-iron intents, and I definitely don't want to pay for another 1U in the colo just so I can avoid this |
| 19:42.46 | eightyeight | libvirt can live-migrate dis |
| 19:42.47 | eightyeight | *disk |
| 19:42.57 | eightyeight | as painful as that might be |
| 19:43.25 | jima | i don't have live-migration capabilities at home, no |
| 19:43.41 | fungus | two hosts and a shared disk array isn't that big. Nothing even close to approaching "big-iron" |
| 19:44.04 | jfindlay | little iron |
| 19:44.14 | eightyeight | baby iron |
| 19:45.03 | jima | at work i have 7 vm clusters in 4 datacenters, all with live migration capabilities |
| 19:45.10 | fungus | I've seen some implementations where the data storage is just local storage but distributed across VM hosts. pretty cool. |
| 19:46.22 | jima | fungus: in an HA manner? |
| 19:46.33 | fungus | yeah |
| 19:46.41 | jima | that's interesting. |
| 19:48.02 | jima | ok, time to stop using the vcenter server in $eu |
| 19:52.51 | fungus | Example. Dell XC Converged options. |
| 19:58.52 | *** join/#utah Skimice (~jared@c-98-202-242-51.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 20:00.28 | *** join/#utah voldemortensen1 (~Adium@216.50.142.194) |
| 20:03.48 | jima | hahahah dell |
| 20:10.02 | *** join/#utah Enemby (~Enemby@unaffiliated/enemby) |
| 20:49.52 | *** join/#utah RuShan (~RuShan@68.69.169.116) |
| 20:54.59 | *** join/#utah RuShan (~RuShan@2600:100e:b110:aa3b:f492:b43d:9ed5:8643) |
| 21:23.30 | unum | httpd won't die |
| 21:23.38 | unum | my attempts to kill it have hung |
| 21:24.41 | jlp_znc | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJXww8aizAM |
| 21:24.46 | jlp_znc | call technical support |
| 21:25.01 | jlp_znc | unum, what do you mean, it won't die? |
| 21:25.21 | jlp_znc | is it in a disk wait? that's really the only thing that will prevent a kill -9 from killing something. |
| 21:28.14 | jfindlay | ~napoleon |
| 21:28.14 | infobot | Sweet! That's like a dollar an hour! |
| 22:03.09 | unum | jlp_znc: ya it was |
| 22:03.23 | unum | ended up having to do a reboot when it started affecting everyone |
| 22:06.10 | *** join/#utah kembrek (~kembrek@2.121.33.255) |
| 22:37.35 | *** join/#utah jmadsen (~jmadsen@2605:a601:547:2001:e4e5:4e67:ddde:d626) |
| 22:52.35 | *** part/#utah Skimice (~jared@c-98-202-242-51.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 22:52.37 | *** join/#utah Skimice (~jared@c-98-202-242-51.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 22:53.43 | *** part/#utah Skimice (~jared@c-98-202-242-51.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 23:00.14 | *** join/#utah voldemortensen (~Adium@216.50.142.194) |
| 23:20.56 | *** join/#utah voldemortensen (~Adium@98.202.131.37) |
| 23:32.12 | *** join/#utah magmu (~Magical_M@66-7-124-45.static.ip.veracitynetworks.com) |
| 23:48.21 | *** join/#utah neanderslob_ (~quassel@c-50-168-247-73.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |