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02:00.30voldemortensen~trump
02:00.30infobotNoooooooooooo!
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04:54.02klys~slashdot
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05:28.37klysI wonder how small that microsfp connector is
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14:24.20jlp_znchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kIMTJRgyn0  motivational speaker Brian Shul talks about his experiences flying the SR-71.
14:31.00jlp_zncwatch it when you have an hour to kill if you have any interest in aviation at all.
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15:26.02jfindlay~napoleon
15:26.02infobotThere's like a buttload of gangs at this school.  One of them kept wanting me to join because I'm pretty good with a bo-staff.
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15:30.34Yorokobibo-staff. That's the same sort of redundancy as bread-covered panko.
15:34.16jimaYorokobi: yeah, but i'd argue that it's good for people who don't know what "bo" means
15:35.35YorokobiTrue. Simpler than using dialogue to explain it.
15:37.28frostyfrogFor those who are using linux and haven't noticed yet... http://unix.stackexchange.com/q/258679
15:37.41frostyfrog(related to the ls command)
15:39.38fadeinfrostyfrog: I hadn't noticed because I don't do silly things such as allow whitespace in my filenames
15:40.13fadeinbut that's interesting that upstream has changed the default behavior in such a visible way
15:40.18frostyfrog^
15:40.53frostyfrogI generally see it when I grab files off the internet from people who use Windows or Mac.
15:41.20frostyfroghas aliased ls to ls -N now.
15:41.54frostyfrogOh yeah, I forgot that plex likes whitespaced names as well...
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15:42.14fungusI like the environment variable method much better.
15:43.01frostyfrogenvironment variable?
15:43.16frostyfrogdislikes hidden things that aren't in the man pages...
15:43.21fungusQUOTING_STYLE=literal
15:44.00fungusmentioned in both a comment on the question, and the second answer.
15:45.31frostyfrogAh, I somehow missed that. Thanks fungus! :)
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15:58.10fadeinfrostyfrog: remember, coreutils is a GNU project. You'll want to look in the info pages rather than the man pages
15:59.13frostyfroginfo pages *sigh* I haven't used those commands in years.
15:59.32fadeinheh, I know, I know
15:59.46fadeinas a Vi user, I can't stand the 'info' program
16:00.04fadeinbut the 'pinfo' reader is much more friendly to my muscle-memory
16:00.17fadeinit's UI is modeled after the lynx browser
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16:04.04frostyfrogwill have to try it out :)
16:04.05fadeinbut the whiny comments on that stackexchange... is that what we anti-systemd folk sound like to everybody else?
16:05.10frostyfrogIt's possible, but I'm not entirely sure.
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16:06.04frostyfrogwas anti-systemd... until they realized it would be too much work to switch out Arch's stuff. Now they're trying to move to Gentoo.
16:07.20youtah~youtah
16:07.20infobotDid someone say Nachos?
16:07.33jlp_zncpsh
16:07.44jlp_zncyour cable is getting lonely, youtah
16:07.53youtahi know
16:07.56jlp_zncit's just sitting in a baggie on my desk
16:08.12youtahthis makes me le-sad
16:08.14jlp_zncI played with my mobilinkd last night with YAAC on my mac.  worked pretty good.
16:08.17fadeinfrostyfrog: Gentoo has ruined me for other package managers
16:08.33frostyfrogx3
16:08.40fadeinanytime I have to use apt or yum I get really frustrated by how few options it has
16:09.01jlp_zncI may have a vehicle on wednesday or thursday if you want to coordinate a handoff (and possible lunch)
16:09.12youtahThat might work
16:09.20jlp_zncassuming you haven't decided to just live on 7-11 nachos and big gulps.
16:09.20youtahI was just going through everything in my mind
16:09.36youtahthinking Monday and Tuesday will both be horrible
16:09.42fadeinI realize that the common case for the vast majority of users isn't to get down in the nitty-gritty of their package management,
16:10.04fadeinand with portage I've royally hosed up my Gentoo box over the years,
16:10.23fadeinbut portage has always helped me get things ship-shape again
16:11.05fadeinit's a great example of having enough rope to hang yourself with
16:11.21youtah~twss
16:11.22infobotThat's what she said!
16:11.33youtahmaybe?
16:14.19Migsdoes anyone know anything about video switches? I'm trying to figure out the difference between this: http://amzn.com/B0161JI1GS and this: http://amzn.com/B00LU1F4ZY
16:14.54Migsneed something to replace the old VGA switch we use at our annual conference
16:16.32jlp_zncthe more expensive one appears to have spdif jacks on it (look at the back panel picture)
16:16.57Migsoh, that's what I missed
16:16.58frostyfrogfadein: Agreed. In my case, I have the nice little pacman app coded in C. (By default, there is no python or ruby installed within Arch) When I move to apt or yum, I always find them counter-intuitive. But I think that's mostly because I've memorized all of pacman's arguments and features.
16:17.05Migshmmmm
16:17.54youtahI wanna play with one of those!
16:18.11jlp_zncI thought pacman only had a single joystick
16:18.18jlp_zncnot too hard to master that
16:18.56jlp_znc(I guess it has one and two player buttons, as well)
16:19.09frostyfrogpacman -Syuw; *waits until they are ready to reboot* pacman -Syu; reboot.
16:19.33frostyfrogerr... s/Syu;/Su;/
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16:39.08youtahSo, who here is going to the Bernie Sanders ralley at 1pm? Jayce^? neybar_work?
16:41.01eightyeighti went friday
16:41.11eightyeightit was a lot of fun
16:41.34eightyeightwent to a john kasich town hall at davis high school immediately after
16:41.41eightyeightthat was less fun (very subdued)
16:41.56eightyeightthen again, it's a rally vs town hall. so it's to be expected.
16:42.23youtahI have two friends that are like ultra mega VIP Sanders that are working full time for his campaign here
16:42.29youtahThey were in the VIP section there
16:42.52youtahI wonder if I could get a photography/press badge through them
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16:43.34youtahI love photographing political events (bizzare I know) but when things get emotional/energetic, you can get some amazing photos
16:44.06youtahhttp://www.ksl.com/?sid=38980704&nid=148 << out of all of the ways to die, this isn't a bad one.
16:45.07youtahZero expectation that you're going to die. Probably didn't really "feel" anything. No slow and painful cancerous death. No fear of growing old and dying in a vegitative? state.
16:51.13jlp_zncsome wonks from Sanders's campaign have been trying to call my daughter all week.
16:51.41jlp_zncshe has a strict "I will vote for the person who annoys me the least... you are annoying me." policy
16:52.36jlp_zncwasn't that how Sonny Bono died?  skiing into a tree without a helmet on?
16:58.06RyanEyep
16:58.57youtahHelp me jlp_znc
16:58.58youtahstop me
16:59.08youtahtell me why I should buy this
16:59.10youtahhttp://www.amazon.com/Weller-D650-Industrial-Soldering-Gun/dp/B000JEGEC0/ref=sr_1_14
16:59.40jlp_znctell you why you should buy it?  or shouldn't buy it?
16:59.55youtahfreudian slip?
17:00.24jlp_zncFYI, my dad has one of those, almost exactly like that but his has a spot for a flashlight bulb right under the electrodes.
17:00.31youtahHarbour Frieght sells a 180watt gun for $13. But then again, I'd also like to keep my house standing.
17:00.38jlp_zncthey are awesome.  you should definitely buy it and loan it to me.
17:00.53youtahthe one at HF also has a light
17:01.19jlp_zncbut it's not a weller
17:01.21youtahHave you had the chance to solder a PL-259 connector onto RG-8U yet?
17:01.25jlp_znc(I'm fairly sure)
17:01.42jlp_zncno, no I haven't.  I don't have any RG-8U around.
17:02.03youtahlets just say that my 18 watt soldering iron takes about 30 minutes to heat it up enough to get the solder to flow
17:02.23youtahand I am using the term "flow" here loosely
17:02.31voldemortensenLooks like Gov. Herbert is endorsing Cruz.
17:03.05jlp_zncheh
17:03.14jlp_znc"flow"
17:03.45jlp_zncthe guns do heat up fast, that's for sure.
17:04.22youtahI've got solar panels now... I can afford the electricity
17:04.38youtaheats top ramen tonight
17:05.00voldemortensenbut hey, the sun powered the microwave for you.
17:05.08RyanEI used to use heat guns to do electronics when I was a kid.
17:05.20RyanEthey *do* heat up almost instantly.
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17:05.41youtahRyanE burnt his left hand as a kid
17:05.45youtahhe's all right now
17:05.48RyanEheh
17:05.57RyanEI probably did burn myself on it a few times.
17:06.11RyanEodd that the light is to the left of the unit, instead of 'under' it.
17:06.34youtahI did buy their variable heat gun for $12 though
17:06.40RyanEThru-hole components with big pads and leads it works very well for.
17:07.11RyanEfor stuff nowadays, though, you'll lift pads unless you're soldering something beefy.
17:08.10youtahI will most likely set it to the lowest setting and hold it back a ways and use it for heat shrink tubing
17:08.20RyanEthere's no 'settings' for heat.
17:08.27RyanEThe trigger is double-trigger.
17:08.31youtahyes
17:08.34youtahthat
17:09.13youtahyou're setting the temp by how far you squeeze the trigger.
17:09.18youtahconsiders that a setting
17:09.26RyanEI suppose so
17:09.35RyanEon my soldering station, it's a knob.  :)
17:09.42youtahtruth be told, I didnt know what else to call it
17:10.40youtahso it is 572F or 1112F
17:16.27youtahwonders what the heat gun would do to an uncooked egg still in it's shell....
17:17.25jfindlayhttps://github.com/
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17:42.34eightyeightjfindlay: just discovered github?
17:42.44jfindlayeightyeight: you missed the unicorn
17:42.56jfindlaylook at their stats page
17:43.09jfindlayfor a while, even the stats site was also down
17:43.19jfindlayit was exciting
17:43.35eightyeightcontext provided with the link would have been nice. :)
17:43.48RyanE~twss
17:43.48infobotThat's what she said!
17:43.54jfindlayand deflate the ambiguity?
17:44.04jfindlayeightyeight: this is #utah after all
17:44.06jlp_zncat least "look at it NOW"
17:44.44jfindlaywell, I for one, have seen the unicorn
17:45.12eightyeightjfindlay: in that case, it doesn't have enough $MILITARY/$POLITICS/$RELIGION in it
17:45.44jfindlayunicorns are a pacifist species
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18:13.32youtahgoozbach I am dissapointed in the lack of cowbell in your github projects
18:13.46goozbachding ding
18:13.48goozbach?
18:13.53goozbachcowbell huh?
18:15.42youtahhttps://i.ytimg.com/vi/IqMVgu64TBE/maxresdefault.jpg
18:16.02youtahhttp://cdn3-www.musicfeeds.com.au/assets/uploads/06fe2b5e7d2c78c22e92831fca48ab38.jpg
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18:27.45goozbachguess I'll have to add some cowbell
18:31.02frostyfrogSo, um... HAM radio... Do you just communicate with random strangers? o.o *curious*
18:34.08joshhi always thought it was like irc with strangers, but using voices
18:37.12frostyfrogThat is... weird. :S
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18:52.17joshhi agree actually
18:52.54joshhnever been a fan of voice or video stuff on the internet, and i always try my hardest to avoid any sort of dialin or videoconf meetings
18:53.08joshhi prefer to communicate face to face or with typed words only
18:53.22romanovici think ham radio operators might say IRC is like radio communication, but with text on the internet.  isn't that why IRC has "channels" instead of "chat rooms"?
18:53.30TodPunkirc with strangers where things like distance matter, and people are much more concerned about their rigs than on PCs, if you'll believe that
18:54.44TodPunkromanovic: channels was a concept of topic-based streams.  So you can subscribe to messages about a given thing.  General chat and social interaction weren't the primary focus, unlike AOL chat rooms for instance
18:55.03TodPunkIf you just watch IRC protocol raw, this is pretty apparent
18:55.35TodPunkNot sure when clients started separating it out like they do
18:55.52jlp_zncthe original IRC was kind of a CB radio for the internet with text.  in fact, originally, channels were numeric only.
18:56.03romanovicright.
18:56.04TodPunkmhmmm
18:56.20TodPunklike bbs but in real-time
18:56.48jlp_zncit was call IRC, or Internet Relay Chat, because of BRC (Bitnet Relay Chat)
18:56.49romanovici just thought I heard somewhere that they call it a "channel" instead of a "stream" or "topic" because of its popularity and overlap with ham radio operators.
18:57.03romanovicin the earliest days of IRC
18:57.18jlp_znchad nothing to do with ham radio that I know of.  hams generally don't talk about "channels" but about "frequencies"
18:57.42TodPunkNow I want to make a MUD again
18:57.49TodPunkjust keeps circling back
18:58.40jlp_zncI remember when an early copy of IRC was circulated on comp.sources.unix and I installed it at work (strictly local... we didn't have internet at that company, but we did have UUCP)
18:59.10jlp_zncthen, when I got to the Y, IRC was one of the first things I installed on the math department server.
18:59.29jlp_zncI had to port it to build on the MIPS machines we had.
19:00.06jlp_zncthis was very early 1990-ish as I recall.  our first server link was to eris (of "ef-net" fame).
19:01.59jlp_zncat that time, eris was not fully open and you had to have C: and N: lines for your host to connect.
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19:04.40frostyfrogIIRC, you can do HAM radio stuff with text.
19:05.08TodPunkthere are protocols for such, and there's morse code, obviously
19:09.49TodPunkLDUG this week!
19:12.42frostyfrogAny specific topic, or is it a hack night?
19:14.05jfindlaywhat is ldug?
19:14.09jfindlay~ldug
19:14.14RyanELehi Developers User Group
19:20.15frostyfroginfobot: no ldug is Lehi Developers User Group
19:20.15infobotokay, frostyfrog
19:20.20frostyfrog\o/
19:21.14frostyfrog~ldug
19:21.14infoboti guess ldug is Lehi Developers User Group
19:21.24frostyfrogxD
19:21.32TodPunkinfobot: no ldug is Lehi Developers User Group: http://www.meetup.com/Lehi-Developers-User-Group/
19:21.32infobotTodPunk: okay
19:21.38TodPunk~ldug
19:21.39infobotmethinks ldug is Lehi Developers User Group: http://www.meetup.com/Lehi-Developers-User-Group/
19:22.34jfindlayinfobot: no ldug is <reply>Lehi Developers User Group: http://www.meetup.com/Lehi-Developers-User-Group/
19:22.34infobotjfindlay: okay
19:22.54TodPunkI liked the pontification
19:22.59TodPunkbut this will also work
19:23.48frostyfrogforgot about <reply>
19:28.48jfindlayinfobot: no ldug is Lehi Developers User Group: http://www.meetup.com/Lehi-Developers-User-Group/
19:28.48infobotokay, jfindlay
19:29.07jfindlay~wiktionary potificate
19:30.09jfindlay~wiktionary pontificate
19:42.47voldemortensen~trump
19:42.47infobot\o/
19:42.58youtah~trump
19:42.58infobotWell, that's a shame.
19:45.44programmerqlast week we played a game with friends, rook. each hand someone gets to choose the color card to be the trump color.
19:45.57programmerqthat presented a pun opportunity once a hand.
19:47.22jfindlay~napoleon
19:47.22infobotThere's like a buttload of gangs at this school.  One of them kept wanting me to join because I'm pretty good with a bo-staff.
19:47.29unum"Everyone knows trump is orange"
19:48.05jfindlay~literal trump
19:48.05infobot"trump" is "<reply>(Well, that's a shame.|\o/|Trump 2016 FTW!|Noooooooooooo!)"
19:48.28jfindlayinfobot: no, trump is reply>(Well, that's a shame.|\o/|Trump 2016 FTW!|Noooooooooooo!|rhymes with orange)
19:48.28infobotjfindlay: okay
19:50.12youtahlol
19:50.20youtah~literal trump
19:50.20infobot"trump" is "reply>(Well, that's a shame.|o/|Trump 2016 FTW!|Noooooooooooo!|rhymes with orange)"
19:50.33youtahyou broke it jfindlay!
19:50.55frostyfrogWhy FTW?
19:51.13TodPunkinfobot: no, trump is <reply>(Well, that's a shame.|\o/|Trump 2016 FTW!|Noooooooooooo!|rhymes with orange)
19:51.13infobotTodPunk: okay
19:51.19jfindlay~trump
19:51.19infoboto/
19:51.32youtahinfobot: no, trump is <reply>(Well, that's a shame.|\\o/|Trump 2016 FTW!|Noooooooooooo!|rhymes with orange)
19:51.32infobotyoutah: okay
19:51.33frostyfrog\\o/
19:51.39TodPunkhahaha
19:51.42TodPunk~trump
19:51.42infobot\o/
19:51.42youtahlol
19:51.44jfindlay\\\\o/
19:52.01youtah~trump
19:52.01infobot\o/
19:52.12youtahdangit infobot ... work on your randomness
19:52.26youtah~trump
19:52.26infobotTrump 2016 FTW!
19:52.37youtahFor The Worst!
19:53.22frostyfrogWell, FTW is generally associated with For The Win :(
19:53.58jfindlaythere is another nsfw expansion of ftw, which may be more apropos
19:56.30unumfree the whales?
19:57.37RyanEno, lock those bastards up.  Whales are mammals, who dress up as fish to infiltrate the undersea kingdom.
20:05.34frostyfrogWhat good has the undersea kingdom done for us anyways?
20:05.51RyanEWell, they do give us the "chicken of the sea"
20:06.36frostyfrogI thought that was our hunters going out and killing some fishies...
20:06.54RyanEno, the Undersea Kingdom just delivers them to us, pre-canned.
20:07.07RyanEI can't believe how uninformed you are!
20:07.17frostyfrogThat um... Actually makes a lot of sense.
20:08.07frostyfrogdoesn't read history books. History didn't have no stinkin' computers so how is it doomed to repeat itself?
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21:37.33youtah~trump
21:37.33infobotWell, that's a shame.
21:38.08jfindlay~napoleon youtah
21:38.08infobotACTION makes youtah buy a lotto ticket for Napoleon
21:38.52youtah~bern
21:38.52infobotCan you feel the Bern?
21:39.44youtahhttp://www.ksl.com/?sid=38983289&nid=711&title=advanced-uk-research-ship-may-be-named-boaty-mcboatface
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22:27.38jlp_zncBoaty McBoatface.  Nice.
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22:57.14unuma random woman seems to have set up office in our foyer
22:57.27unumshe's making phone calls and typing on her laptop
22:57.45unumthis isn't google lady, get a desk
22:58.11unumdarn still no update on superdell's blog
22:59.07unumif you want to caucus for Superdell they are holding their caucus on April 9th
22:59.11unumI mean 23rd
22:59.20unumsorry, april 9th is something different
23:00.00unumso you can attend the constitution party caucus tomorrow night, and the IAP caucus on April 23rd(unless that's illegal)
23:01.06unumthe libertarian cacaus meeting is the same day in the same complex
23:01.10unumthat's convieint
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