| 00:00.03 | keldwud | lol |
| 00:00.08 | keldwud | I'll PM you :) |
| 00:00.16 | joshh | aww come on man |
| 00:00.19 | joshh | we all must know |
| 00:00.24 | jlp_znc | shh it's a secret |
| 00:00.30 | TodPunk | da gubbermint? |
| 00:00.39 | keldwud | well, I'll tell pretty much all of you individually |
| 00:00.39 | joshh | nsa datacenter? |
| 00:00.57 | keldwud | but mentioning it openly in the channel makes me pause |
| 00:01.07 | keldwud | I got a devops role |
| 00:01.08 | TodPunk | put it on your linkedin instead |
| 00:01.12 | keldwud | in downtown slc |
| 00:01.24 | keldwud | oh yeah, I should update my linkedin |
| 00:01.27 | jlp_znc | it's not with event board, is it? :-) |
| 00:01.35 | TodPunk | it is not |
| 00:04.00 | keldwud | oh yeah, I was checking main |
| 00:04.19 | keldwud | there's only a ___main___ |
| 00:04.27 | keldwud | and it doesn't hand off to wsgi |
| 00:04.47 | joshh | has this ever worked or are you working on this config now? |
| 00:04.48 | youtah | it doesn't have anything to do with hot tubs does it?/ |
| 00:04.56 | youtah | ^ keldwud |
| 00:05.10 | TodPunk | wants a hot tub |
| 00:05.15 | keldwud | it has never worked |
| 00:05.21 | youtah | wants a hot tub |
| 00:05.27 | keldwud | not for me, that is |
| 00:05.54 | keldwud | my ultimate goal is to have logstash hand over json files via POST or rabbit-mq to the MozDef stack |
| 00:06.00 | joshh | never used ngx_http_uwsgi, but it seems reasonable at a glance |
| 00:06.07 | joshh | what command are you starting the uwsgi workers with? |
| 00:06.19 | keldwud | I think it was so that he could standardize the input method for his product |
| 00:06.41 | keldwud | joshh: it's all in a docker container, but I can look it up |
| 00:06.54 | keldwud | supervisord is managing the services |
| 00:07.01 | keldwud | so I start everything up using that |
| 00:07.05 | joshh | paste the supervisor ini file for it |
| 00:07.09 | keldwud | ok |
| 00:07.15 | romanovic | wow. https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2016/03/07/announcing-sql-server-on-linux/ |
| 00:07.31 | romanovic | youtah: just saw you already posted that. |
| 00:07.43 | TodPunk | In my production environment, systemd runs both nginx and uwsgi separately |
| 00:07.46 | keldwud | and honestly, I think I'll be the first person to document integrating logstash with mozdef. we've contacted the dev over on mozilla irc and are just waiting to hear back from him |
| 00:08.27 | joshh | systemd on jessie, supervisord on precise for us |
| 00:08.50 | joshh | and some tools for stopping/starting stuff that try to make it transparent |
| 00:09.16 | TodPunk | we're on ubuntu 15 |
| 00:09.30 | TodPunk | I don't know what silly name that one is |
| 00:09.33 | keldwud | http://pastie.org/10751540 |
| 00:09.39 | keldwud | there's the supervisord conf |
| 00:09.49 | keldwud | I can see the nginx and uwsgi entries |
| 00:10.27 | keldwud | honestly, I'm probably just not sending the proper commands via telnet to get a 200 response |
| 00:10.42 | keldwud | looking in the index.py, I found that all the paths only accept POST requests |
| 00:10.50 | keldwud | I was trying GET requests |
| 00:11.04 | joshh | is there a health endpoint to get? |
| 00:11.09 | TodPunk | goes home |
| 00:11.20 | keldwud | thanks for the help, TodPunk |
| 00:11.42 | keldwud | not sure what 'health endpoint' means. does that mean am I looking for a specific http status code? |
| 00:12.16 | joshh | most apps have something like /health that returns 200 if everything looks good, db and cache are connected, etc |
| 00:12.33 | keldwud | oh yeah there is a status, I was trying to use that one |
| 00:12.37 | keldwud | let me check again |
| 00:13.58 | keldwud | http://pastebin.com/EeRnEE1T |
| 00:14.07 | keldwud | so yeah, it was status. this is how I tried using it |
| 00:14.13 | keldwud | telnet localhost 8081 |
| 00:14.21 | keldwud | GET /status HTTP/1.1 |
| 00:14.24 | keldwud | and variations of that |
| 00:14.27 | joshh | use curl |
| 00:14.34 | keldwud | I also tried curl |
| 00:15.35 | keldwud | http://pastebin.com/auFw4Xjh |
| 00:15.40 | keldwud | keep getting internal server errors |
| 00:15.42 | keldwud | 500's |
| 00:15.53 | keldwud | which are in line with what logstash was complaining about |
| 00:16.11 | keldwud | so at this point I should turn on logging, try tcpdump, and look into postman? |
| 00:16.13 | keldwud | is that right? |
| 00:16.31 | keldwud | or do I have a couple other things to try first? |
| 00:16.33 | joshh | the supervisord log might show some kind of python exception |
| 00:16.59 | joshh | but ya basically |
| 00:17.00 | keldwud | there *was* a point where I was getting java exceptions and I increased the heapsize and that got rid of them, but I think that may have been an unrelated error |
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| 00:18.04 | keldwud | I'm doing my curl command correctly, right? |
| 00:18.20 | joshh | you probably don't need to specify the get |
| 00:18.34 | joshh | just curl http://localhost:<port>/status |
| 00:19.05 | joshh | check supervisor log first, strace the worker, make sure the code actually works, etc |
| 00:19.13 | keldwud | yeah, same thing |
| 00:19.42 | keldwud | hopefully the developer will be interested enough in finding out more about my experience |
| 00:19.55 | keldwud | especially if he wants it to work outside of just nxlog |
| 00:20.13 | keldwud | apparently he has it working with nxlog |
| 00:20.57 | keldwud | oh nice. supervisord has individual logs for each piece of the stack |
| 00:21.21 | joshh | generally supervisord redirects stdin/stdout to its own logs but it's all in the ini |
| 00:22.29 | joshh | afk for a bit |
| 00:24.55 | keldwud | me too, I'll be back tomorrow |
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| 00:33.53 | drock-test | webchat is awesome! |
| 01:01.14 | shalkie | Oh, we require such a higher grade troll then that. |
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| 01:17.42 | youtah | says "your mom goes to college" |
| 01:17.45 | youtah | ~college |
| 01:17.46 | infobot | [college] http://www.marriedtothesea.com/021008/my-degree.gif |
| 01:22.43 | shalkie | youtah: That graphic requires an update as it lacks the student debt portion as well. |
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| 01:29.23 | youtah | lol |
| 01:30.02 | pomuaz | what's so funny? |
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| 01:33.56 | youtah | the harsh realities of life |
| 01:39.02 | shalkie | Captain Obvious has announced his Presidential Candidacy. Sadly not looking that bad. |
| 01:39.45 | pomuaz | wait what |
| 01:41.50 | pomuaz | Hulk HOgan? |
| 01:45.46 | eightyeight | https://pthree.org/2016/03/07/cryptographic-hashing-part-i-introduction/ |
| 01:45.56 | TodPunk | shalkie: to be fair, the student debt portion is a personal choice |
| 01:47.39 | TodPunk | taking 4 years or more, less so |
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| 16:10.23 | jfindlay | eightyeight: nice |
| 16:24.55 | youtah | ~nachos |
| 16:24.55 | infobot | schweet. |
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| 16:32.12 | Jayce^ | totchos |
| 16:33.28 | eightyeight | $ aplay -r 44100 /dev/urandom |
| 16:48.07 | jlp_znc | I tried pasting that into my browser and it just laughed at me |
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| 16:49.18 | jlp_znc | it said something like "no one uses CDs any more" |
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| 17:02.54 | keldwud | is anybody using a "plug" type server? I'm looking into purchasing one but want to find out if I know anybody who has used one before |
| 17:03.30 | jlp_znc | you'll have to be more specific |
| 17:03.38 | TodPunk | If I do it on Debian it works. If I do it on Ubuntu it suggests an app from the One store. If I do it on Arch it talks to me about gold-tipped record player cables in ways I don't understand. Fedora core starts my tape player for some reason, and outputs from a bluetooth speaker. Mint steals my itunes account and plays back nothing. RHEL tells my my principal is not allowed to access sound. |
| 17:03.39 | programmerq | keldwud: oh, I haven't heard about those in a while. |
| 17:04.01 | eightyeight | TodPunk: heh |
| 17:04.23 | programmerq | keldwud: which one are you looking at? |
| 17:04.33 | keldwud | programmerq: not any specific ones yet, I was hoping to narrow it down |
| 17:04.51 | keldwud | I used to have the GLobalscale DreamPlug in my wishlist |
| 17:05.35 | keldwud | I was thinking about using a plug server for my opnsense box as the first network device in my home network |
| 17:05.52 | keldwud | and then running that to a wireless router |
| 17:06.37 | keldwud | and that's all I really need a server for at this point, so I want something low profile and low energy consumption |
| 17:07.04 | TodPunk | raspberry pi with a usb nic? |
| 17:07.11 | programmerq | the plug servers are fairly dated, imo |
| 17:07.16 | TodPunk | ubiquiti router? |
| 17:07.18 | programmerq | and still priced as they were a few years ago |
| 17:07.28 | programmerq | something like a minnowmax might work better |
| 17:08.58 | keldwud | what's a minnowmax? |
| 17:09.35 | keldwud | TodPunk: no, this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00Z0V2NQ8?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_33&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER |
| 17:09.42 | keldwud | NETGEAR AC1750 |
| 17:09.48 | programmerq | keldwud: atom dual core board with built in gigabit lan, sata, and usb3: http://wiki.minnowboard.org/MinnowBoard_MAX |
| 17:10.05 | programmerq | I have one. I run debian jessie off a laptop spinning drive on it. |
| 17:10.07 | keldwud | programmerq: thank you, I was figuring that plug servers were dated at this point |
| 17:10.25 | keldwud | how do you think it would work as my opnsense router? |
| 17:10.31 | TodPunk | no dude, http://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Nighthawk-AC1900-Gigabit-Router/dp/B00F0DD0I6/ |
| 17:10.59 | keldwud | ToBeFree: why the nighthawk and not the AC1750? |
| 17:11.09 | TodPunk | fancier |
| 17:11.15 | keldwud | lol |
| 17:11.17 | programmerq | I don't know for a fact that opnsense has been proven to work on it. it's a fairly common atom cpu, and it runs windows and linux just fine. I don't see why a bsd wouldn't work. |
| 17:11.30 | keldwud | like, what kind of fancier? |
| 17:11.59 | keldwud | maybe I should ask lattera if he thinks it would work |
| 17:12.10 | keldwud | the only reason I'm buying a device is to run opnsense on it |
| 17:12.19 | TodPunk | (all the reviews I've read are for the nighthawk being the current winner from Netgear, I don't know much of why, other than people have replaced their CenturyLink fiber modem completely with the thing) |
| 17:12.58 | programmerq | keldwud: as long as it can boot on a UEFI device, you should be fine. |
| 17:13.36 | keldwud | TodPunk: looks like the nighthawk gives 1900 Mb/s versus AC1750's 1750 Mb/s |
| 17:13.47 | TodPunk | well there ya go |
| 17:13.51 | TodPunk | more Mb/s |
| 17:14.01 | TodPunk | still cheaper than a DreamPlug |
| 17:14.12 | TodPunk | but won't run opnsense =cP |
| 17:14.33 | keldwud | the 1750 is half the price of the nighthawk, tho |
| 17:14.47 | TodPunk | I think your math skills need work |
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| 17:14.52 | programmerq | keldwud: I have a firebox watchguard that can run opnsense. |
| 17:14.56 | keldwud | lol |
| 17:15.00 | TodPunk | $128 is not half of $174 |
| 17:15.01 | keldwud | 180 / 2 = 90 |
| 17:15.24 | programmerq | it's an x550e core |
| 17:15.31 | keldwud | interesting |
| 17:15.35 | programmerq | I have opnsense on it now (although I think it's a version or so behind) |
| 17:15.36 | keldwud | http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BUSDVBQ/ref=psdc_300189_t1_B00F0DD0I6 |
| 17:15.41 | keldwud | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00Z0V2NQ8?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_33&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER |
| 17:15.49 | programmerq | I'd be willing to part with it for about $75.00 |
| 17:15.56 | keldwud | oh whoops |
| 17:15.58 | keldwud | that's tplink |
| 17:16.06 | keldwud | I was looking at the comparison chart on the nighthawk page |
| 17:16.22 | keldwud | thinking that the model number 1750 for the tplink was the same as the netgear 1750 |
| 17:16.23 | keldwud | derp |
| 17:16.32 | TodPunk | tplink is ok |
| 17:16.43 | keldwud | firebox watchguard? |
| 17:16.45 | TodPunk | still plans on running an actual computer as his firewall though |
| 17:17.02 | keldwud | TodPunk: that's why I'm looking for options for my opnsense box :) |
| 17:17.10 | keldwud | programmerq: let me google firebox watchguard real quick |
| 17:17.16 | keldwud | what's the power consumption and noise like? |
| 17:17.18 | TodPunk | I guess I could install opnsense on this server |
| 17:17.34 | programmerq | it's not as quiet |
| 17:17.41 | programmerq | I don't remember the specs for power consumption |
| 17:17.52 | programmerq | but there are folks who swap out fans for quieter ones and the like |
| 17:17.54 | keldwud | hmm.. I'm a big fan of no white noise |
| 17:18.11 | TodPunk | put it in a closet |
| 17:18.11 | programmerq | the minnowmax is silent. |
| 17:18.26 | TodPunk | in the basement |
| 17:18.30 | TodPunk | or across the street |
| 17:18.34 | TodPunk | or in your neighbor's basement |
| 17:18.36 | keldwud | TodPunk: I don't live in a house, remember? |
| 17:18.41 | TodPunk | They'll never know! |
| 17:18.58 | TodPunk | keldwud: even better, apartment complex utility room! |
| 17:18.59 | programmerq | pictures keldwud doing a rendition of "in a van down by the river" |
| 17:19.13 | keldwud | which model of the watchguard do you have, programmerq ? |
| 17:19.17 | programmerq | x550e |
| 17:19.38 | keldwud | maybe you could bring it down to the space and we could plug it in and then I could judge if I can tolerate the whitenoise or not |
| 17:19.49 | programmerq | that might be doable |
| 17:20.14 | keldwud | I'll also be at bsides |
| 17:20.17 | programmerq | I've been meaning to try doing some throughput tests on it. |
| 17:20.19 | keldwud | could bring it to the event |
| 17:20.27 | programmerq | I'm not doing bsides this year. :( |
| 17:20.29 | keldwud | aww |
| 17:20.57 | keldwud | what competition is there for minnowmax and why is minnowmax the best? |
| 17:21.13 | keldwud | i.e. what other devices are in that "space" |
| 17:22.16 | TodPunk | It's an atom Raspberry Pi-ish |
| 17:22.41 | keldwud | I think I might go that route, then |
| 17:22.58 | TodPunk | It has a SATA connector, which is nice, and a much faster processor, and DDR3 mem, which is also faster |
| 17:23.03 | keldwud | because I wanted to experiment with multiple raspberry pis on my home network and have some of them running services |
| 17:23.25 | keldwud | yeah, I'll need the sata so that I can have inexpensive storage |
| 17:23.38 | eightyeight | https://crt.sh/?Identity=%25&iCAID=7395 |
| 17:23.54 | keldwud | except my ISP double nats everything here and they can't offer me a true IP :( |
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| 17:24.04 | keldwud | so I can't actually run services on bluerim's network |
| 17:24.21 | keldwud | at least, not external |
| 17:24.45 | TodPunk | yeah, was gonna say, internal you can run all day long |
| 17:24.49 | TodPunk | probably can't do VoIP well |
| 17:24.56 | keldwud | I'm super disappointed with that, but at least I get 50 - 75 up/down in the downtown area |
| 17:25.02 | keldwud | without having to deal with comcast |
| 17:25.21 | keldwud | I don't think there is any other way to get such speeds downtown outside of 4G is there? |
| 17:26.06 | keldwud | iirc, DSL in downtown SLC is abysmal and still under 5 |
| 17:26.18 | TodPunk | Pro tip: don't live downtown SLC |
| 17:26.22 | TodPunk | problem solved! |
| 17:26.27 | keldwud | except I *love* downtown |
| 17:26.35 | TodPunk | sounds like a personal failing |
| 17:26.37 | keldwud | lol |
| 17:26.45 | TodPunk | like enjoying The Carpenters or something |
| 17:26.51 | keldwud | wait, you don't like the carpenters? |
| 17:27.15 | keldwud | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJmmaIGiGBg |
| 17:27.19 | TodPunk | Ever time a Carpenters song comes on, I'm reminded that they all sound the same and make me want to die |
| 17:27.42 | TodPunk | You know the blur tool in photoshop? |
| 17:27.50 | keldwud | I've heard of it, yeah |
| 17:28.06 | TodPunk | The Carpenters is like taking a few popular 60s songs, layering them on top of each other, and using the blur tool on top of that |
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| 17:28.33 | TodPunk | yup, listening to this, can confirm, I wish to die now |
| 17:28.41 | keldwud | heh |
| 17:28.59 | keldwud | we can call it even for telling me that wanting to live downtown was a personal failing :) |
| 17:29.06 | TodPunk | puts on nickelback to combat the lethargy |
| 17:29.37 | keldwud | is that the "poison will kill poison" philosophy? |
| 17:29.56 | keldwud | or as some call it |
| 17:30.00 | keldwud | fighting fire with fire |
| 17:30.00 | keldwud | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjlgUx7_aN0 |
| 17:30.05 | TodPunk | If my heart wants to stop from giving up on life, the best remedy is to get it pumping with discontent |
| 17:30.16 | keldwud | you could always listen to hootie and the blowfish |
| 17:30.17 | keldwud | heh |
| 17:30.22 | TodPunk | I like hootie |
| 17:30.42 | TodPunk | His country album as Darius Rucker is pretty good too |
| 17:31.20 | TodPunk | (In all honesty, I do like some nickelback, mostly their pop stuff) |
| 17:32.10 | keldwud | you're gross! |
| 17:32.12 | keldwud | :) |
| 17:32.22 | TodPunk | says the guy that's double NATed |
| 17:32.36 | keldwud | touche! |
| 17:32.48 | keldwud | I'm also starting to wonder if I really even need a wireless router |
| 17:32.55 | keldwud | I mean, the building is wired like a hotel |
| 17:33.03 | keldwud | so I can log into wireless anywhere in the building anyway |
| 17:33.13 | keldwud | maybe all I need is a minnowmax |
| 17:33.17 | keldwud | and a small switch |
| 17:33.17 | TodPunk | I'd just abuse their wifi unless you need local network access |
| 17:33.29 | keldwud | well it's not free wifi |
| 17:33.34 | TodPunk | which I do, because subsonic |
| 17:33.35 | TodPunk | oh |
| 17:33.41 | TodPunk | then definitely run your own |
| 17:33.45 | TodPunk | screw that noise |
| 17:33.47 | keldwud | the free wifi is like 14.4k |
| 17:34.01 | TodPunk | $14,400 ? |
| 17:34.07 | keldwud | baud |
| 17:34.08 | TodPunk | >.> |
| 17:34.20 | keldwud | it's fast enough to log into their web page and sign up for their service |
| 17:34.57 | keldwud | I've talked to a couple of the guys, though, they're pretty cool |
| 17:35.02 | keldwud | it's a 4 person shop run out of Logan |
| 17:35.32 | keldwud | the company that laid the fiber for this building does not sell to consumer |
| 17:35.49 | TodPunk | So like, I need you to look at something for me |
| 17:35.57 | keldwud | and bluerim is just holding on to it until google fiber takes over |
| 17:36.12 | TodPunk | this photograph |
| 17:36.14 | keldwud | TodPunk: if it's a mole or a boil, I'm going to be severely disappointed |
| 17:36.17 | TodPunk | every time I do it makes me laugh |
| 17:36.23 | TodPunk | how did our eyes get so red? |
| 17:36.25 | keldwud | and if it's on your dick, I'm going to be even more disappointed |
| 17:36.47 | TodPunk | what the hell is on Jayce^'s head? |
| 17:37.02 | jfindlay | on or in? |
| 17:37.07 | TodPunk | weaponizes earworms |
| 17:37.14 | keldwud | you know what, I just realized I want the wireless router. that way my guests don't have to have me log in to a web page on their devices just to access the network |
| 17:37.29 | Jayce^ | gets drawn in to something he doesn't know about... |
| 17:37.48 | jlp_znc | TodPunk: another great band name: Weaponized Earworms |
| 17:37.55 | TodPunk | yessssss |
| 17:38.01 | Jayce^ | ^^ |
| 17:38.25 | TodPunk | and I said |
| 17:38.28 | TodPunk | well there's |
| 17:38.34 | TodPunk | breakfast at tiffany's |
| 17:38.46 | TodPunk | she said I |
| 17:38.47 | TodPunk | think I |
| 17:38.54 | TodPunk | remember the film I |
| 17:39.01 | TodPunk | is so sorry |
| 17:39.18 | Jayce^ | well that's, one thing we've got... |
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| 18:36.05 | levi | As I recall / I think / We both kinda like it / And I said |
| 18:36.47 | levi | (insert before Jayce^'s line for proper order!) ;) |
| 18:42.11 | pomuaz | http://i.imgur.com/gtvAFgY.jpg |
| 18:42.15 | pomuaz | http://i.imgur.com/zMogFef.jpg |
| 18:42.22 | pomuaz | look what i got here |
| 18:43.08 | pomuaz | This is an extremely rare gold coin produced at the mint established by mormons in SLC on personal order of Brigham Young. |
| 18:43.12 | pomuaz | there is a cool story behind it |
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| 18:45.03 | jlp_znc | I construct algorithms | you program | he/she uses FORTRAN |
| 18:45.09 | jlp_znc | I consult | you freelance | he/she moonlights |
| 18:45.15 | jlp_znc | I refine | you debug | he/she patches | they kludge |
| 18:45.22 | jlp_znc | I assemble | you compile | he/she/it interprets |
| 18:45.29 | jlp_znc | I market | you sell | he/she peddles |
| 18:45.35 | jlp_znc | I interact | you timeshare | he/she hogs |
| 18:45.42 | jlp_znc | I extrapolate | you conjecture | he/she guesses |
| 18:45.54 | frostyfrog | o_o |
| 18:46.07 | eightyeight | someone broke jlp_znc |
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| 18:46.39 | frostyfrog | fetches the screwdriver. |
| 18:46.48 | jlp_znc | I don't dring (any more) |
| 18:47.00 | pomuaz | pretty cool, isn't it? |
| 18:47.00 | jlp_znc | arg. s/dring/drink/ |
| 18:47.12 | eightyeight | jlp_znc: i'm not convinced |
| 18:47.14 | jlp_znc | pomuaz: yeah, it's pretty cool. where did you get it? |
| 18:47.21 | jlp_znc | I'm not pished |
| 18:48.54 | jlp_znc | pomuaz: regale us with your story |
| 18:49.19 | pomuaz | i got this from my grandfather, and he got it from his grandfather |
| 18:49.44 | pomuaz | so a year before this was struck a man named sam brannan, as the story goes, charged down SF, hollering "gold! gold! gold on the american river!" |
| 18:49.59 | pomuaz | and so began the california gold rush |
| 18:50.14 | jlp_znc | settles back |
| 18:50.19 | pomuaz | shortly after, millions of dollars worth of gold dust spreaded across california and adjacent territories |
| 18:51.04 | pomuaz | this was carried over by mormon miners who left Sacramento and San Francisco |
| 18:51.53 | jlp_znc | nods approvingly |
| 18:52.21 | pomuaz | although the gold rush helped the economy it did introduce new difficulties, weighing gold and disagreement sover its valuation |
| 18:52.37 | pomuaz | there were tons of abusers |
| 18:52.45 | pomuaz | traders rigged scaled with faulty weights |
| 18:53.00 | pomuaz | miners dilluting their pouches of gold with sand or brass fillings |
| 18:53.24 | pomuaz | saloonkeepers solds drinks for a "pinch" of gold, and they hired men with unusually large hands to grab larger "pinches" |
| 18:53.53 | pomuaz | all of this led to public outcry for coined gold with standard defined values |
| 18:54.43 | pomuaz | until july 1852 however, these cries werent heard by a predominantly eastern-minded congress that seemed remote from western concerns |
| 18:55.11 | pomuaz | and so, several private companies setted up businesses to coin gold either as public service or for profit |
| 18:55.41 | pomuaz | and on december 1848, Brigham Young and several other Mormon leaders established a mint of their own in Utah |
| 18:56.28 | pomuaz | and they struck these gold coins with Mormon imagery on both sides to facilitate trade within the Mormon community and with non-Mormon merchants who supplied goods to them |
| 18:56.51 | pomuaz | one of the prime movers in this new venture was a British convert named John Mobourn Kay |
| 18:57.18 | pomuaz | he forged the die blanks, engraved the dies, and, for good measure, helped in the selection of their designs |
| 18:58.01 | pomuaz | The first of these Mormon coins (eagles) appeared in december 1848 - making them the very first American pioneer coins struck west of the Mississippi, then other denominations were added |
| 18:58.32 | pomuaz | and all of them, including the double eagle, have radical design concepts unseen before or since |
| 18:59.23 | pomuaz | What makes this especially rare is that many few of these survived since most of them were melted down in the early 1850s by the US mint |
| 18:59.29 | pomuaz | that only few* |
| 18:59.54 | jlp_znc | very interesting |
| 19:00.01 | jlp_znc | thank you for the diversion. :-) |
| 19:02.51 | pomuaz | so these are refugees of the melting pot, only a handful of these are left |
| 19:03.02 | pomuaz | sure, I thought you might find it interesting |
| 19:05.29 | jlp_znc | have you had the coin appraised? I'm curious what it would be worth in today's dollars. |
| 19:06.40 | pomuaz | It's insured for 250k. there's one at the Church History Museum, but mine is in better shape |
| 19:07.11 | pomuaz | the only one in better condition in existence is at the Smithsonian |
| 19:07.21 | programmerq | pomuaz: those are cool. |
| 19:07.42 | programmerq | I remember finding them when I was trying to find something cool/unique about utah's history that may not be super well known. |
| 19:08.28 | programmerq | I think it was talk of designing a dc801 challenge coin that made me start reading about utah coin history and found those. |
| 19:08.40 | RyanE | pomuaz, you have the copy that's at the smithsonian? Same picture: http://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/search/object/nmah_1102332 |
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| 19:17.57 | harleypig | how does one step through a node application, like a perl program with perl -d ? |
| 19:20.44 | jlp_znc | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=debugging%20a%20node.js%20program |
| 19:21.05 | harleypig | jlp_znc: I did that ... most of the stuff showing up is a couple of years old. |
| 19:21.38 | jlp_znc | does node debug script.js not work? |
| 19:22.04 | harleypig | uhhh ... ok ... so using duckduckgo as my default search engine may not be the best solution after all. |
| 19:22.24 | harleypig | The first link on what you posted has the debug option, which I hadn't run across yet. |
| 19:22.36 | jlp_znc | I don't know beans about javascript, but I know how to google! |
| 19:24.37 | harleypig | :/ |
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| 19:59.39 | Jayce^ | harleypig: finding the difficult solutions to easy questions for 400 years.. |
| 19:59.57 | harleypig | Probably longer than that. |
| 20:03.43 | frostyfrog | finds that Google works quite well for programmer related questions. |
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| 21:09.23 | TodPunk | I find that Google works quite well for anything but being a tinfoil hat wearer |
| 21:11.34 | eightyeight | google code used to be the place for code snippet search. now that's github and stackoverflow |
| 21:11.53 | eightyeight | it's still the most relevant image search, but i've really been enjoying ddg for generic search |
| 21:13.58 | jfindlay | !ddg |
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| 21:32.07 | shalkie | keldwud: Your on CLink DSL? |
| 21:33.01 | keldwud | shalkie: nope. bluerim fiber |
| 21:33.14 | keldwud | I think I'm at one of the only places downtown that has fiber |
| 21:33.15 | shalkie | Ah, well then I can't plug XMission. :) |
| 21:33.28 | keldwud | I know, I love xmission |
| 21:33.33 | shalkie | Are you in one of the "Soon to be google fiberhood" areas? |
| 21:33.49 | keldwud | but he doesn't have the speeds that I need because I don't live in utopia serviced neighborhoods |
| 21:34.00 | keldwud | shalkie: I would assume so, considering the building is already wired for fiber |
| 21:34.12 | keldwud | do they have a list yet? |
| 21:34.25 | keldwud | last time I called, they still said they didn't have a list of areas for coming soon |
| 21:35.28 | shalkie | Looks like they still have people signing up for notifcations. |
| 21:35.59 | shalkie | But when I have talked to people in Kansas area if you miss the signup you have to wait for it to reopen up and they said it was like 6 months. |
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| 22:47.33 | eightyeight | https://twitter.com/AaronToponce/status/707336667946835968 |
| 22:52.00 | programmerq | https://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=218&ad=38815754&cat=21 - selling my DK2 |
| 22:55.16 | jlp_znc | misses google code |
| 22:55.36 | mellor7 | why are you selling it? how did you like it? |
| 22:55.42 | mellor7 | i'm not interested in buying, just curious |
| 22:56.50 | programmerq | mellor7: I really liked it, I just don't use it as much anymore. |
| 22:57.24 | programmerq | I'll probably take whatever I can get for it and put it towards one of the newer shinier (and much more expensive) units once they've been out and folks have teasted out the issues a bit. |
| 22:57.45 | mellor7 | what kind of issues were there? the only one i heard of was some kind of vertigo or something like that |
| 22:58.01 | programmerq | with the ones that haven't come out yet? who knows? |
| 22:58.28 | programmerq | simulator sickness can happen with this unit. supposedly it's better on the newer ones that are about to come out. |
| 22:58.37 | programmerq | I was able to train myself out of the VR sickness fairly effectively. |
| 22:58.47 | programmerq | elite: dangerous is absolutely stunning to play in VR |
| 22:58.49 | mellor7 | cool i didn't know you could do that |
| 22:59.33 | programmerq | the vr sickness hit me the most when one of a few things would happen. 1) I'd hit the "edge" of where it could detect my headset in 3d space |
| 22:59.42 | programmerq | so my view would stay where it was while my head was still moving in real space |
| 22:59.49 | mellor7 | haha |
| 23:00.07 | programmerq | 2) in half life 2 when you cross to the next level, it freezes the view of the world while the "loading" screen is shown |
| 23:00.20 | programmerq | so effectively, all of a sudden, the whole world starts moving with me |
| 23:00.41 | mellor7 | yeah i can see how that would screw with you |
| 23:01.11 | programmerq | 3) choppy framerate - this is significantly reduced with the "timwarp" software feature. the frame is rendered once, and if my head keeps moving, it just moves the frame around in sync with my head motions |
| 23:01.23 | programmerq | so like FSX there's the flyinside addon |
| 23:01.37 | programmerq | fsx was never optimized for modern hardware, so it gets really terrible framerates (like 20fps) |
| 23:02.08 | programmerq | with the timewarp it's totally playable because the environment effectively "stays put" |
| 23:06.54 | programmerq | then there are the different "levels" of VR. sitting at a desk is easiest since it mimics what you're doing in the real world. then there's a cockpit type setup (elite dangerous, fsx, euro truck sim 2, asetto corsa, lunar lander, etc). then there's "walking simulators" like any FPS-- half life, et al. then there's falling simulators (AaaaaAAaaaAAAaaAAAAaAAAAA!!! for the Awesome) |
| 23:07.19 | programmerq | there was also a simulator where you're an astronaut free floating out of control |
| 23:07.41 | programmerq | roller coasters fit in somewhere between cockpit type and falling simulators |
| 23:09.46 | mellor7 | do they do anything special in the free floating or is it 100% visual? |
| 23:10.31 | mellor7 | that cockpit one sounds most like what i'd be interested in, i recently got back into ace combat and love it |
| 23:11.09 | mellor7 | and i bet elite dangerous on it is gorgeous |
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| 23:14.13 | programmerq | between the rift and my HOTAS setup, ED is absolutely immersive |
| 23:14.24 | programmerq | I put my throttle and stick in the same place as the virtual ones |
| 23:14.40 | programmerq | occasionally the in-game arm will play an idle animation and it freaks me out for half a second. |
| 23:14.55 | programmerq | because my arm isn't moving but the one I see is. :) |
| 23:15.31 | mellor7 | haha |
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