| 00:00.32 | fungus | The Bundys don't follow established channels to get laws/rules changed. Instead they ignore the rules until the police come to enforce them, then they threaten violence to the police. |
| 00:02.16 | fungus | Cliven Bundy is especially bad, freeloading off government lands, refusing even to pay tiny fees 5x cheaper than it would be on private lands. |
| 00:03.32 | fungus | It's not the little guy getting oppressed. It's a rich rancher trying to steal from taxpayers with violence. |
| 00:04.21 | unum | when people start getting arrested when they file for office I'll start worrying about a police state |
| 00:05.03 | unum | I think I can live with out the "right" in live a bird sanctuary |
| 00:06.45 | unum | of course you do have cases like Aaron Swartz where they tacked on charges with crimes they knew he didn't commit |
| 00:06.46 | fungus | In Oregon, the dispute about minimum sentencing laws in regards to the 2 local ranchers is valid. |
| 00:06.56 | fungus | But that should be solved through peaceful means. |
| 00:07.33 | fungus | However the demand to "return" federal lands to local people is just plain wrong. |
| 00:07.56 | unum | http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2014/09/attorney_lisa_hay_named_as_nex.html |
| 00:08.07 | unum | the defense attorney does have an interesting history |
| 00:11.27 | unum | ya I'm not a fan of minimum sentencing laws, I'm really glad senator Lee is working to remove many of them |
| 00:13.07 | fungus | Nice to hear his name not connected to something incredibly embarrassing. :) |
| 00:16.00 | unum | fungus: :) |
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| 16:45.04 | jlp_znc | an interesting topic came up at work today... is it possible to classify all people in terms of the seven dwarves? |
| 16:45.36 | jlp_znc | it was decided that we needed some survey thing "what dwarf are you?" does anyone know if this exists? |
| 16:48.34 | Jayce^ | harleypig is sleezy dwarf |
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| 16:56.40 | fadein | so PHP - how do you get it to write a stacktrace to the error.log? |
| 17:00.19 | eightyeight | https://twitter.com/AaronToponce/status/692753549055229952 |
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| 17:11.21 | jsmith | fadein: It does by default |
| 17:12.13 | fadein | jsmith: hmm... could it be that this project has that switched off in php.ini? |
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| 17:16.44 | jsmith | fadein: No idea what project you're talking about, or what version of PHP you're using, etc. |
| 17:17.07 | jsmith | fadein: The full traceback in the logs is a fairly recent thing ... maybe since PHP 5.3 or 5.4 |
| 17:17.17 | jsmith | fadein: If you're using something ancient, all bets are off |
| 17:18.49 | fadein | I've just started a new job and am looking into a proprietary PHP webpage written by a guy who wasn't exactly up on anything cutting-edge or even best-practices-compliant |
| 17:19.12 | fadein | it's PHP 5 - I'll look into the exact version |
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| 17:55.51 | youtah | Howdy howdy howdy! |
| 17:58.12 | youtah | anything exciting or new? |
| 17:59.05 | jfindlay | youtah: I figured out how to get vim to reload syntax highlighting with minimal interruption and effort |
| 17:59.33 | jfindlay | it's already builtin to the shell, just use ^L |
| 17:59.43 | youtah | lol |
| 17:59.56 | youtah | Sounds good IMO |
| 18:00.15 | youtah | I am updating my website |
| 18:00.48 | jfindlay | is the site suitable for a web? |
| 18:00.58 | youtah | It has needed updating badly |
| 18:01.03 | youtah | Not even sutiable for the web |
| 18:01.31 | youtah | Also, if you know of any positions open in the Lehi area that are hiring... :) |
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| 18:07.35 | Jayce^ | well, youtah made it, so obviously it wasn't suitable.. |
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| 18:10.11 | youtah | Ouch! |
| 18:10.38 | RyanE | it's suitably not suitable. |
| 18:10.51 | RyanE | btw, that was a joke, not a grammar correction. :) |
| 18:12.25 | jfindlay | wonders what kinds of sites are suitable for building webs |
| 18:12.46 | youtah | what about suits for webs? |
| 18:13.01 | youtah | then you could create a suite of web suits |
| 18:13.20 | Jayce^ | suits for webs == spiderman costume? |
| 18:13.21 | scottymuse | trees, basements, wood piles, plenty of suitable sites. Ask any spider. |
| 18:14.55 | jfindlay | 'that suits a web' |
| 18:15.51 | youtah | I guess a wood pile would be a sweet suitable suite for a web |
| 18:16.23 | youtah | r/web/web site/ |
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| 18:49.40 | fungus | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.53 | youtah | lol |
| 18:56.36 | SunSparc | fungus: I bet they just say that for attention. |
| 19:07.27 | fungus | I thought that too, at first. But no, there really are people that believe that crap. |
| 19:44.57 | harleypig | I'm not sleazy! I'm easy! |
| 19:46.53 | harleypig | The earth is not flat, it's slightly concave |
| 19:54.16 | jfindlay | the earth is hyperbolic! |
| 19:58.21 | jab416171 | there's also real people in the world who believe we never landed on the moon. |
| 20:13.36 | frostyfrog | What? Blasphemy! |
| 20:19.00 | RyanE | that's why there's so much hyperbole here. |
| 20:21.44 | programmerq | I remember the first time I heard of a moon landing conspiracy |
| 20:21.48 | jfindlay | also diabole |
| 20:21.51 | programmerq | I was like "WTF"?" |
| 20:21.54 | programmerq | ?! |
| 20:22.39 | shalkie | There are real people that believe that the earth is hollow as well. |
| 20:23.02 | shalkie | Don't you all listen to Coast to Coast AM? |
| 20:23.07 | shalkie | ;P |
| 20:23.39 | programmerq | there is someone that calls in to coast-to-coast and talks about stuff as if he's in a video game |
| 20:23.57 | programmerq | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMATUkJMAxo |
| 20:28.44 | SunSparc | Of course the earth is hollow. Have you not read Journey to the Center of the Earth? |
| 20:30.00 | SunSparc | I also learned recently about the people who believe the earth is flat. So weird. |
| 20:44.00 | Jayce^ | I heard they all vote $other_party |
| 20:46.23 | romanovic | there must be some way to conflate these people with political opponents |
| 20:47.08 | romanovic | "Can you believe that $other_party_members and people who believe the world is flat make up $surprisingly_large percent of our voting population?" |
| 20:49.45 | SunSparc | Jayce^: lol |
| 20:50.09 | SunSparc | romanovic: Way to go. |
| 20:50.26 | SunSparc | ~lart $other_party_members |
| 20:50.26 | infobot | shoves a crumpet down $other_party_members's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? |
| 21:01.03 | SunSparc | Speaking of politics ;) Does anyone WANT to keep changing their clocks bi-annually? http://le.utah.gov/~2016/bills/static/HB0065.html |
| 21:06.26 | jlp_znc | at least we wouldn't have to change all our TZ files... just switch to America/Phoenix instead of America/Denver |
| 21:07.22 | jlp_znc | Fred Cox looks like a dork, that's probably the only problem with this bill. |
| 21:11.09 | jfindlay | all Utah legislators are clowns IMO |
| 21:15.10 | fungus | No, I don't want to exempt from DST. I want DST always. |
| 21:21.04 | jlp_znc | said no one ever |
| 21:21.16 | jlp_znc | just switch to PST |
| 21:21.24 | jlp_znc | no |
| 21:21.25 | jlp_znc | wait |
| 21:21.30 | jlp_znc | sorry, strike that, reverse it |
| 21:21.31 | shalkie | Switch to UTC. :) |
| 21:21.35 | jlp_znc | yes! |
| 21:22.08 | jlp_znc | it's noon... at about 1700 |
| 21:22.18 | fungus | global UTC would be a good choice too. |
| 21:22.20 | jlp_znc | I could really get behind that |
| 21:40.26 | SunSparc | Yes, we have talked about UTC everywhere at work. |
| 21:41.46 | SunSparc | People adapt. I just do not like adapting to a time change twice a year. I want just stick with one. I really do not care if it is DST, MST, or UTC, so long as it stays the same. |
| 21:42.25 | SunSparc | The sun does not care. It comes up and goes down when it is supposed to. If I want to go out and enjoy it, I will. :) |
| 21:44.49 | SunSparc | This data shows that most people polled want to align with Arizona: http://business.utah.gov/wp-content/uploads/Data.pdf |
| 21:45.04 | SunSparc | Source: http://business.utah.gov/time |
| 21:47.21 | jlp_znc | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVSlE28hOgI |
| 21:47.32 | unum | my problem is we have offices in two other states |
| 21:47.42 | unum | so I'll have to deal with two offices changing and one not |
| 21:47.50 | unum | I wish the whole country would just stop |
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| 21:58.51 | jlp_znc | just tell your other offices in the other states that they have to use MST, too. |
| 21:59.00 | jlp_znc | east coast? west coast? oh well. |
| 21:59.36 | unum | both |
| 22:00.24 | unum | when ever time shows up as mst in the web app I get complaints :( |
| 22:01.43 | SunSparc | unum: It would be nice if the whole country would just stop, but I like that is is taking place at the state level. We just need to get each state to make the choice. |
| 22:04.39 | jlp_znc | unum: teach them about the TZ environment variable |
| 22:05.15 | jlp_znc | and put localization into your webapp. webapp should be using UTC and let the browser convert it to local time. |
| 22:07.55 | SunSparc | I am thinking of changing my work schedule to be: 16:00 - 00:00 UTC |
| 22:16.09 | scottymuse | I'm skeptical any such bill would pass. Too many supporters start saying, "Think of the children! They can't go to school in darkness in the winter or have dark summer evenings in the summer!" |
| 22:27.07 | jlp_znc | ohhhh, the poooor chiiildren!!! |
| 22:27.47 | SunSparc | scottymuse: The bill was introduced into the House this week. Toss your skeptics and tell your Representative that you are in favor of it. :) |
| 22:28.49 | SunSparc | My children do just fine in the winter and the summer. :) |
| 22:32.20 | jab416171 | SunSparc, do you know the date on that poll? |
| 22:36.36 | scottymuse | I didn't say the argument was good, just effective in our legislature. |
| 22:37.11 | scottymuse | A bill like this has been in the last few sessions and it always gets punted somehow pretty quick. |
| 22:39.16 | SunSparc | jab416171: I think it was done in 2014. Looking for a date... |
| 22:39.27 | romanovic | children are exactly the demographic for whom DST makes the least sense. thoughts that do not go through my kids' heads: "I'm voluntarily going to bed an hour early so mom and dad don't lose an additional hour of sleep every night for the next week" |
| 22:39.30 | SunSparc | scottymuse: So true. |
| 22:39.56 | SunSparc | romanovic: Exactly. |
| 22:42.31 | romanovic | the change in time twice a year always represents the loss of an hour, on one side of bedtime or the other, for several days :( |
| 22:42.43 | SunSparc | jab416171: Looks like the collection period was during the summer of 2014. That is what I can gather from http://business.utah.gov/time |
| 22:47.24 | SunSparc | As a parent, I witness the destruction of sleep patterns twice a year. :( |
| 22:56.25 | rainbows | if only we could could choose to ignore time changes |
| 22:59.36 | Jayce^ | you tried, but you rolled a 1 |
| 22:59.54 | Jayce^ | critical miss on the saving throw |
| 23:08.14 | unum | the most effective argument for our state legislature is Obama's against it! |
| 23:08.59 | unum | I can't trust users to have their timezone set right on their browser |
| 23:09.29 | unum | actually I think we do usually get that fixed because of email |
| 23:10.26 | SunSparc | :) |