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| 17:25.54 | jlp_znc | jfindlay: why were you looking at me the other day? |
| 17:28.09 | jfindlay | because you haven't added any LoTR quotes |
| 17:35.20 | eightyeight | ~linux |
| 17:35.20 | infobot | How can I get Linux OS tell me the procedure for my HP laptop? |
| 17:36.00 | eightyeight | Linux is a future. |
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| 17:46.25 | programmerq | ~napoleon |
| 17:46.26 | infobot | There's like a buttload of gangs at this school. One of them kept wanting me to join because I'm pretty good with a bo-staff. |
| 17:46.42 | programmerq | I put that movie on in the background when we had a bunch of friends over. |
| 17:46.49 | programmerq | (on saturday) |
| 17:46.55 | programmerq | hadn't watched that in *years* |
| 17:48.29 | Nsc_Code | hi all greetings, can u teach me about hack pp,cc,etc.. |
| 17:48.58 | jfindlay | ~hack |
| 17:48.58 | infobot | from memory, hack is 1. n. Originally, a quick job that produces what is needed, but not well. 2. n. An incredibly good, and perhaps very time-consuming, piece of work that produces exactly what is needed. 3. vt. To bear emotionally or physically. "I can't hack this heat!" 4. vt. To work on something (typically a program). In an immediate sense "What are you doing?" "I'm hacking TECO." In a general (time-extended) sense "What do you do around here?" "I ... |
| 17:50.19 | jlp_znc | jfindlay: I tried reading LotR once... got about half way through the first book. realized I like sci-fi better than fantasy. |
| 17:51.02 | jlp_znc | tried to watch the first movie, got tired half way through, napped instead. :-) |
| 17:51.26 | jlp_znc | I have the movies around somewhere, though. I think I still have them. |
| 17:51.32 | eightyeight | Nsc_Code: what is 'pp,cc,etc'? |
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| 17:56.56 | Jayce^ | I would guess he means paypal, creditcard... |
| 17:57.17 | eightyeight | Nsc_Code: you want free monies? |
| 17:57.29 | eightyeight | Nsc_Code: if so, that's not welcomed here. please leave. |
| 17:57.51 | Jayce^ | I'd love to help you, but I'll need you to open some accounts first that we both have access to, then I can demonstrate |
| 17:57.53 | Jayce^ | :D |
| 17:58.00 | eightyeight | :) |
| 18:03.11 | RyanE | jlp_znc: I had the same reaction to Despicable Me. Everytime I tried to watch it, I fell asleep. |
| 18:03.33 | Nsc_Code | i'm sorry, i not want free money, but i will create app for online shop i want my app safe for that problem .. in my country very weak security for that.. |
| 18:04.13 | eightyeight | Nsc_Code: look into the PayPal API if you want to process online payments for customers |
| 18:04.29 | eightyeight | Nsc_Code: https://developer.paypal.com/docs/api/ |
| 18:04.50 | jsmith | Nsc_Code: Or perhaps the Stripe API? |
| 18:04.58 | jfindlay | Nsc_Code: also authorize.net or stripe |
| 18:05.19 | Jayce^ | stripe > authorize.net |
| 18:05.21 | jsmith | Nsc_Code: https://stripe.com/docs/api |
| 18:05.24 | jfindlay | true |
| 18:05.28 | jsmith | Jayce^: Amen, brother! |
| 18:05.40 | jfindlay | but authorize.net > * |
| 18:05.40 | eightyeight | Jayce^: why? |
| 18:05.46 | Jayce^ | auth still charges 90's CNP rates |
| 18:06.00 | eightyeight | so stripe is cheaper? |
| 18:06.01 | Jayce^ | hides all useful interchange. |
| 18:06.04 | Jayce^ | usually |
| 18:06.11 | Jayce^ | stripe's API is way better |
| 18:07.02 | Jayce^ | if you are processing for a bit bigger company though, I'd really suggest Vantiv (was Litle) |
| 18:07.14 | Jayce^ | you get full pass-through info |
| 18:07.20 | Nsc_Code | what is vantiv |
| 18:07.33 | eightyeight | Nsc_Code: https://www.vantiv.com/ |
| 18:07.38 | eightyeight | Nsc_Code: google is your friend |
| 18:07.55 | jfindlay | Nsc_Code: you came to the right place, there are many payment nerds in #utah :) |
| 18:08.08 | Jayce^ | there are many levels of merchant processing.. with vastly different features, if you know how to take advantage of them |
| 18:09.41 | Nsc_Code | thanks all ,, i want look,, i'm sorry my english bad |
| 18:10.40 | Jayce^ | eightyeight: frankly, auth.net never grew up out of early high-risk e-commerce marketing.. and they were bought to keep that cash cow running |
| 18:11.07 | Jayce^ | and cybs tries to brand themselves as 'everywhere' and 'feature-rich', but really is just an upsell machine |
| 18:11.08 | eightyeight | i was justcurious |
| 18:11.23 | Jayce^ | visa uses both very specifically, and makes a ton of $$ off them |
| 18:11.37 | eightyeight | fwiw, gateway fees are usually a small cost. it's the CC vendors (visa, amex, discover, etc) where the bulk of the cost is |
| 18:11.56 | Jayce^ | that's the interchange, and it's often hidden, or a rollup |
| 18:13.01 | Jayce^ | the salespeople for your account will play like used-car salesmen, or even worse, like oracle sales.. bouncing numbers around to hide real costs |
| 18:13.11 | eightyeight | heh |
| 18:13.16 | eightyeight | standard salesmen |
| 18:13.38 | eightyeight | honesty:sales::convenience:security |
| 18:14.34 | jlp_znc | oracle sales... "well, we have about eight different ways we can bill you for that. which would you prefer?" |
| 18:15.01 | Jayce^ | another one that I know people at, and looks promising but I haven't used for a client yet is BluePay |
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| 18:22.50 | keldwud | welp. one of my interviews turned into a written job offer. have two others that I'm waiting on. My third choice was the first to make an offer. My first and second choices haven't gotten back to me yet :( |
| 18:23.17 | SunSparc | I have been using Authorize for at least a decade. Their web interfaces are hideous. The system is pretty solid, but they are expensive. Not really a good choice for a startup or small business. |
| 18:23.43 | SunSparc | I have been trying out Strip and WePay with good success. |
| 18:24.05 | SunSparc | And of course PayPal. |
| 18:24.27 | SunSparc | keldwud: Congrats! May you have the job offer you dream of. :) |
| 18:26.50 | keldwud | SunSparc: thanks. I really hope to get feedback from my first two choices before the end of the work day today. But the third choice is still a good offer. |
| 18:27.01 | keldwud | my first choice wouldn't require me to relocate |
| 18:27.18 | SunSparc | Not moving is usually nice. |
| 18:27.58 | keldwud | yeah. I'm looking up montessori schools in salt lake county since my daughter would have to change schools, too |
| 18:28.57 | SunSparc | Moving kids is tough. Though it can be a good growing experience for them. Just make sure to prepare them ahead of time. |
| 18:32.35 | keldwud | oh wow. private schools are like $12k.... |
| 18:33.44 | SunSparc | per year or per month? |
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| 18:40.47 | keldwud | per year |
| 18:40.52 | keldwud | well, the first one I looked at |
| 18:41.07 | keldwud | I don't know how much they normally cost. this is my first time researching it |
| 18:43.51 | d3c4f | keldwud, have you looked into charter schools? |
| 18:44.36 | d3c4f | oh, Montessori .. missed that |
| 18:46.15 | d3c4f | also keldwud : http://mwmacademy.org/about-us/ |
| 18:46.41 | keldwud | ty! |
| 18:47.26 | d3c4f | np, looks like a good school. wish it was closer to herriman. :S |
| 18:47.43 | Jayce^ | a coworkers has his kids there and really likes it |
| 18:48.35 | jfindlay | if you live in a town called Harry Man, you've got other problems :-) |
| 18:48.52 | keldwud | I'm probably relocating to downtown salt lake as that's where the new job will be |
| 18:48.59 | Jayce^ | jfindlay: you do realize it has that name for a reason, right? |
| 18:49.06 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo lives there.. so name is accurate |
| 18:49.11 | jfindlay | lol |
| 18:49.23 | keldwud | that has always been the biggest thing holding me back from just going wherever, is schools. I got my daughter into a good one and was worried about getting into another good one |
| 18:49.46 | jfindlay | keldwud: that's where I am. There are lots of great school options in or near SLC |
| 18:50.28 | d3c4f | lol |
| 18:51.36 | keldwud | jfindlay: mind if I ask about your choices or selections? I'm open to feedback right now especially since I'm looking. |
| 18:51.58 | keldwud | I probably won't move up there for a couple months at least. give my daughter time to get used to the idea, etc. |
| 18:52.15 | keldwud | but I know for charter schools, now is the time for me to start getting on the lists |
| 18:54.11 | jfindlay | keldwud: SLC school district is open enrollment at all of its schools and there are many options |
| 18:54.41 | jfindlay | the charter school market is also very plentiful, but I don't know much more than that |
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| 19:35.33 | unum | keldwud: how do you determine if one school is better than an other? |
| 19:35.49 | keldwud | unum: no clue. that's what I'm trying to figure out |
| 19:36.01 | keldwud | I guess by going in and meeting the staff |
| 19:36.02 | keldwud | for one |
| 19:36.19 | keldwud | and then by finding out what happens to their graduates |
| 19:36.19 | jfindlay | they have dual language programs, if you're into that |
| 19:36.33 | jfindlay | and a smarty pants program |
| 19:36.39 | jfindlay | or two |
| 19:36.45 | keldwud | and I also try to see if they have sti and teen pregnancy rates available |
| 19:37.04 | keldwud | because that will also give me an indication of what will happen to my daughter in her teen years |
| 19:37.58 | keldwud | if it was possible, I'd love to see anonymized household income data from alumni 10 years after they completed their schooling their |
| 19:38.06 | keldwud | but that's probably difficult to find |
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| 19:39.43 | unum | those sort of stats aren't that helpful in determining value added |
| 19:41.03 | unum | studies have shown that school that are often rated better by those stats only perform tha well because of other background reasons |
| 19:41.27 | unum | in other words it has nothing to do with what happens at school, but with the homes that those students are coming from |
| 19:41.59 | unum | so when schools are allowed to discriminate(like charter) schools, they tend to end up with better stats even though they may be worse schools |
| 19:49.04 | unum | I didn't mean to drive him away! |
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| 20:40.21 | keldwud | unum: yeah, that was my concern. I wasn't sure how to figure out if it was quality or not because I do understand that the number one factor in a child's success is their parent's income bracket |
| 21:17.16 | unum | keldwud: yep, from what I've read it's impossible for parents to seperate the factors out |
| 21:20.21 | keldwud | the only thing I *can* control for is making sure that my daughter is in a supportive environment vs negligent or abusive |
| 21:20.43 | unum | ya |
| 21:21.09 | unum | actually there is more than that, there are private schools that are anti-science |
| 21:21.09 | keldwud | and hoping that her peers all have active parents that are involved in their children's lives |
| 21:21.13 | unum | you can avoid those |
| 21:21.22 | keldwud | oh wow. yeah, definitely avoiding the anti-science ones |
| 21:22.19 | keldwud | that's why I figured charter schools would be a good middle ground, they still have to meet certain criteria and can't just altogether throw out certain curricula |
| 21:28.50 | SunSparc | Home school? Commute is good and tuition is usually pretty low. :) |
| 21:29.43 | SunSparc | Still trying to talk the wife into that one. haha |
| 21:32.43 | keldwud | I don't think I could work full time *and* home school my kid |
| 21:33.04 | keldwud | I'm confident I could home school her pretty well, but that would take away the socialization aspect which I am horrible at providing |
| 21:33.13 | keldwud | I rely on schools to give my kid access to other kids |
| 21:37.55 | SunSparc | Indeed, there are definite benefits and possible detriments from both educational avenues. |
| 21:41.10 | SunSparc | I do not know of a perfect educational solution. Mostly because the definition of perfect educational solution is relative and often in flux. |
| 21:42.31 | Tod-Work | keldwud, for what it's worth, public school isn't exactly bad, and if you're in north Lehi we can help carpool =cP |
| 21:42.33 | SunSparc | Though I hear that mortality was designed to be a perfect education solution, tailored to each individual. I look forward to seeing the results and documentaries on that. |
| 21:43.04 | keldwud | Tod-Work: hah :) looks like I'm going to be moving to downtown slc |
| 21:43.10 | Tod-Work | sad day |
| 21:43.16 | SunSparc | I have had my kids in general public schools and public charters. There were benefits to both. |
| 21:43.44 | Tod-Work | aye |
| 21:43.47 | keldwud | at the charter my daughter is currently in, class size is super small. that makes it nice |
| 21:43.54 | Tod-Work | I'm not sure $12k worth of benefits for charters, to me at least |
| 21:44.05 | SunSparc | keldwud: Well at least you will be able to frequent Siegfried's Deli. |
| 21:44.07 | Tod-Work | has a low opinion of school efficacy in general |
| 21:44.18 | keldwud | SunSparc: I almost got a sandwich there last time I was up there |
| 21:44.24 | SunSparc | Love that place. |
| 21:46.30 | keldwud | woot! my counter offer was to ask for 20 days of PTO instead of 15 and I got it, no questions asked. now I feel like I didn't negotiate hard enough. lol |
| 21:47.21 | Tod-Work | Jayce^, I would like to include in your previous discussion that I loathe Authorize.NET for their terrible documentation, expense, and their refusal to work in JSON outside of a beta that's been going on for years. |
| 21:48.30 | SunSparc | Yeah, I have been slowly migrating accounts away from Authorize. |
| 21:48.48 | SunSparc | keldwud: Nice! Yeah, negotiation is an art. |
| 21:49.20 | keldwud | yeah, I figured I needed more PTO than I needed more salary since the salary offer was decent enough |
| 21:49.59 | SunSparc | PTO is often worth more than money. |
| 21:50.17 | keldwud | especially as a single parent with sole custody! |
| 21:50.39 | keldwud | I need time off for my kid, AND I need time off for personal development AND I need time off for fun |
| 21:50.50 | SunSparc | So true. |
| 21:51.08 | keldwud | I have confidence issues, though, so I only asked for 20 instead of 25. I didn't want to push it. |
| 21:52.44 | romanovic | I need to try that next time I get a job offer! I lost 7 vacation days when I took my current job :C |
| 21:52.58 | SunSparc | Understood. One thing my current boss teaches is, "If you do not ask, it is a guarenteed, NO. If you do ask, it is a possible, YES." |
| 21:53.15 | jfindlay | has unlimited vacation |
| 21:53.25 | SunSparc | Ditto |
| 21:53.27 | keldwud | romanovic: you can almost always get more vacation time |
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| 22:21.11 | keldwud | oh man! I forgot to ask for a bus pass |
| 22:21.21 | keldwud | that was another thing I wanted to ask for in my total compensation package |
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| 23:30.03 | ricefoodeat | hi friends |
| 23:30.21 | ricefoodeat | can you help me learn about Utah while I am in GA |
| 23:32.36 | ricefoodeat | :( |
| 23:33.09 | jfindlay | ~wiki Utah |
| 23:33.22 | ricefoodeat | whoa |
| 23:33.33 | ricefoodeat | jfindlay: are you Utah resident? |
| 23:33.48 | jfindlay | yes |
| 23:34.16 | ricefoodeat | do you think its safe for ...brown people? overall...eg. compared to Arkansas up north KKK area? |
| 23:34.28 | ricefoodeat | im guessing its totally fine |
| 23:34.41 | fungus | mormons, mountains, and snow |
| 23:34.46 | ricefoodeat | I am currently 20 minutes from KKK area in GA |
| 23:34.47 | fungus | :) |
| 23:34.52 | ricefoodeat | but I feel fine |
| 23:35.11 | ricefoodeat | http://www.landwatch.com/Tooele-County-Utah-Land-for-sale/pid/200725344 <---if you guyts had to guess, is this a scam? |
| 23:35.22 | fungus | The racism in Utah exists, but it's not overt, and hidden well. |
| 23:36.13 | fungus | standard institutionalized racism, not much different from other states. |
| 23:36.31 | ricefoodeat | ok cool |
| 23:36.38 | ricefoodeat | ^ is that deal a scam? |
| 23:36.59 | joshh | just make sure you obey the cops if they profile you :) |
| 23:37.15 | ricefoodeat | I want to be at home most of th time so i will be good haha |
| 23:38.13 | jfindlay | probably better than GA, but mostly because people here don't know any brown people |
| 23:38.14 | joshh | that said though utah cops do shoot white people about as often as the ones here shoot blacks |
| 23:38.20 | joshh | most of utah's criminals/methheads/etc are white though |
| 23:38.29 | ricefoodeat | ok great |
| 23:38.31 | jfindlay | i.e., you'd be #11 in the state, or something |
| 23:38.44 | RyanE | heh |
| 23:38.44 | ricefoodeat | question, do you think I can hustle tech work, remote stuff if I can...uh Android/Html5 itup? |
| 23:39.04 | ricefoodeat | also...anyone check the link out? ...please lol |
| 23:39.07 | RyanE | there's lots of tech work, less 'remote'. |
| 23:39.10 | RyanE | imho |
| 23:39.28 | ricefoodeat | is the land cheap because there is nothing on it eg. timber, water, etc etc... |
| 23:40.03 | RyanE | ricefoodeat: I doubt the land is a scam, but there are probably no water rights associated with it. No services, etc. Most definitely no timber. |
| 23:40.04 | fungus | It's also cheap because it's really far away from any major city |
| 23:40.32 | ricefoodeat | wait...people sell open land and attach calusses where you cant drill water for 3k for example? |
| 23:40.34 | RyanE | likely very expensive to develop because of those things. Just getting electrical and water to it would make it not worth developing. |
| 23:40.36 | ricefoodeat | wtf.....im stupid |
| 23:40.45 | ricefoodeat | i should have known to keep an eye out for conditions |
| 23:40.48 | RyanE | ricefoodeat: Utah is high desert. You might not hit any water... :) |
| 23:40.53 | ricefoodeat | ohhhh |
| 23:40.55 | ricefoodeat | that is not good |
| 23:41.04 | ricefoodeat | then you are dependant on welfare |
| 23:41.06 | ricefoodeat | forever |
| 23:41.09 | RyanE | yeah, you may have some assumptions that don't necessarily apply here. |
| 23:41.10 | ricefoodeat | city water |
| 23:41.17 | jfindlay | ricefoodeat: that's way northwest of the Great Salt Lake, you might as well live in Oregon or Idaho |
| 23:41.38 | ricefoodeat | so NV and Utah land deals are meh...better to check out Arkansas |
| 23:41.44 | jfindlay | also, anything in Utah away from the big mountains is going to be Great Basin desert |
| 23:41.49 | RyanE | don't know squat about Arkansas. |
| 23:41.59 | ricefoodeat | do you guys blaze it up? |
| 23:42.08 | RyanE | probably can't do 'remote' work from that parcel of land, though. :) |
| 23:42.20 | ricefoodeat | why not, satelite interwebs |
| 23:43.02 | programmerq | blaze it up? |
| 23:43.04 | RyanE | if you don't mind very high latency, I suppose. |
| 23:43.41 | joshh | ricefoodeat: when i lived in utah, 99% of the non-mormons i knew did blaze it |
| 23:44.00 | ricefoodeat | f yea |
| 23:44.17 | ricefoodeat | to be honest, I am hustling at home, I ...well subcontract, I got bills paid |
| 23:44.26 | ricefoodeat | i pull in 700 bucks only extra via clients |
| 23:44.34 | ricefoodeat | or sometimes 1-3k side work |
| 23:44.42 | ricefoodeat | i want to move to Utah because yall people seem nice |
| 23:44.48 | ricefoodeat | and got the outdoor culture |
| 23:44.56 | ricefoodeat | not the corny ass mall assholes like here in GA |
| 23:45.02 | fungus | lol |
| 23:45.05 | ricefoodeat | I want a microhouse for 20k |
| 23:45.06 | RyanE | some of us have the 'lazy don't like going outdoor' culture. |
| 23:45.15 | RyanE | especially in the winter. |
| 23:45.18 | ricefoodeat | thats cool, im familiar with it, i code |
| 23:45.18 | RyanE | i.e. now |
| 23:45.29 | ricefoodeat | yea yo, me too, i got my soda |
| 23:45.31 | ricefoodeat | and im high |
| 23:45.34 | ricefoodeat | wirting javascript |
| 23:45.36 | ricefoodeat | for a client |
| 23:45.44 | joshh | living the dream |
| 23:45.48 | RyanE | well, good luck with that. :) |
| 23:45.51 | ricefoodeat | no, the dream is being in utah |
| 23:45.54 | ricefoodeat | with land and microhouse |
| 23:46.01 | ricefoodeat | away from b azz nggaz |
| 23:46.08 | joshh | the point of living in utah is to have a huge house |
| 23:46.10 | ricefoodeat | I think i can achieve that better in utah |
| 23:46.13 | ricefoodeat | than this area at least |
| 23:46.17 | joshh | and use it either for 10 kids or tons of skiing gear |
| 23:46.21 | ricefoodeat | nah |
| 23:46.23 | joshh | there's really no other reason |
| 23:46.24 | RyanE | just fyi, not a lot of employers would hire you while high. :) |
| 23:46.25 | ricefoodeat | those turds are in debt |
| 23:46.30 | ricefoodeat | i dont care for debt greed tards |
| 23:46.35 | ricefoodeat | the more practical mormons |
| 23:46.37 | romanovic | ricefoodeat: there was someone in this channel who was building a tiny house, I thought his experience was really interesting. who was that... maybe I'm thinking of another utah channel |
| 23:46.38 | ricefoodeat | who got house paid off |
| 23:46.45 | ricefoodeat | famr land type, those are the ones i want to connect with |
| 23:46.53 | ricefoodeat | romanovic: hook it up |
| 23:47.03 | programmerq | romanovic: miekka was working on a tiny house. |
| 23:47.14 | RyanE | he took his website down, though... :( |
| 23:47.16 | ricefoodeat | are most of you guys OGs? |
| 23:47.19 | ricefoodeat | seems like |
| 23:47.29 | ricefoodeat | im 31 |
| 23:47.37 | programmerq | yeah, he was getting a bunch of weird blog spam solicitation offers, so he took it down. |
| 23:47.48 | joshh | mostly geezers here yes |
| 23:47.49 | RyanE | I liked seeing his progress on there. |
| 23:47.52 | romanovic | me too |
| 23:48.01 | RyanE | is an official geezer in a couple of years. |
| 23:48.06 | joshh | millenials don't know how to use irc |
| 23:48.14 | ricefoodeat | so in the cheap areas of Utah, you cant spend 6k for a water well |
| 23:48.20 | ricefoodeat | its pretty much impossible or super duper expensive |
| 23:48.32 | RyanE | I suspect most of us have never tried putting in a well. |
| 23:48.33 | ricefoodeat | and you have to go up north, and if you go up north thats expensive so pointless to even bee in Utah correct? |
| 23:48.44 | RyanE | 90% of people in Utah live on the Wasatch Front, where you use city water. |
| 23:48.57 | ricefoodeat | I dont want to be on city water my whole life bro |
| 23:48.59 | joshh | north is idaho which is basically utah with some different laws |
| 23:49.07 | jfindlay | ~napoleon |
| 23:49.07 | infobot | Just listen to your heart. That's what I do. |
| 23:49.22 | SunSparc | Depending on where you live there can be water underground. Though many cities will have rules against using it. |
| 23:49.24 | jfindlay | ~napoleon joshh |
| 23:49.24 | infobot | ACTION tames a wild honeymoon stallion for joshh |
| 23:49.30 | ricefoodeat | jfindlay: if my heart sadi to jump off building would you agree |
| 23:49.54 | ricefoodeat | oh man this izze soda is good |
| 23:49.56 | RyanE | jfindlay wasn't saying that... Infobot was... |
| 23:50.02 | jfindlay | ricefoodeat: you'll have to move to Idaho to really know for sure, I think |
| 23:50.16 | ricefoodeat | you dont want me in your state |
| 23:50.17 | RyanE | more skinheads in Idaho, I'd guess. |
| 23:50.18 | SunSparc | The amount of underground water also tends to depend on the amount of snow/rainfall. |
| 23:50.22 | ricefoodeat | or you are saying i should check out idaho too? |
| 23:50.22 | joshh | but if you want to be in utah while brown, you really don't want the areas you're talking about |
| 23:50.30 | ricefoodeat | damn |
| 23:50.32 | ricefoodeat | that sucks |
| 23:50.48 | ricefoodeat | like extreme mormonrs or just erxtreme whtie epople |
| 23:50.51 | ricefoodeat | will come after me? |
| 23:50.53 | ricefoodeat | or harass |
| 23:51.02 | jfindlay | ricefoodeat: if you want to move to Utah, I suggest SLC |
| 23:51.09 | ricefoodeat | thats city |
| 23:51.10 | jfindlay | but I have an obvious bias for the city |
| 23:51.10 | joshh | probably just get weird looks and stuff i guess |
| 23:51.12 | ricefoodeat | and expensive |
| 23:51.17 | joshh | people there see a brown person about once a decade |
| 23:51.31 | ricefoodeat | I want to be near hunting and fishign areas too |
| 23:51.40 | RyanE | yeah, tooele isn't near those... |
| 23:51.46 | jfindlay | SLC is as rural as I'm willing to go |
| 23:51.54 | joshh | SLC is a good base for hunting |
| 23:51.56 | ricefoodeat | i bet slc is like 10k/.acre stuff |
| 23:51.57 | joshh | and fishing |
| 23:51.58 | ricefoodeat | i gotta check |
| 23:52.17 | ricefoodeat | do any of you guys play retro games or pinball? |
| 23:52.23 | jfindlay | ricefoodeat: ironically, the city might be better for that. Large fauna tend to occupy the mountains |
| 23:52.32 | ricefoodeat | what does fauna mean |
| 23:52.37 | RyanE | plants |
| 23:52.38 | romanovic | SLC is expensive, but compared to other west coast cities, it is very affordable. I pay less for a house and yard than most 1 bedroom apartments in the bay area. Or Seattle, or Portland. |
| 23:52.40 | RyanE | animals |
| 23:52.44 | jfindlay | the animal kingdom |
| 23:53.06 | jfindlay | RyanE: plants are flora |
| 23:53.08 | ricefoodeat | large fauna yea i want that |
| 23:53.11 | ricefoodeat | ohh |
| 23:53.18 | jfindlay | asserts his superior mastery of useless Latin |
| 23:53.18 | joshh | the wasatch front itself isn't that good for hunting, though it does have some. but unless you go to the very top and are discreet, you will get dirty looks/angry comments/etc from non-hunting hikers |
| 23:53.54 | ricefoodeat | ok look...have yall seen those dudes who make sheds? man you can insulate with spray foam and dry wall them, 24x40 yes or no you cant beat 13k for that sqftage!!! just the shell w/o dry/insul |
| 23:54.17 | joshh | at least in the areas by SLC, ogden/provo mountains might have less peta members |
| 23:55.03 | joshh | the wasatch is good for moose but you have very low odds of drawing a tag |
| 23:55.50 | joshh | but anywhere good to hunt in the state is only 3-5 hours away at most |
| 23:56.17 | ricefoodeat | ya i wan to be away from people |
| 23:56.24 | ricefoodeat | i just want to see trees |
| 23:56.26 | ricefoodeat | and hills |
| 23:57.50 | jfindlay | ricefoodeat: I suggest northeastern Utah if you want to stay in Utah and live in a forest biome |
| 23:57.54 | joshh | post pics when you get the shed in the woods built |
| 23:58.19 | ricefoodeat | thanks guys |
| 23:58.25 | ricefoodeat | have yall seen people live in sheds |
| 23:58.26 | programmerq | ricefoodeat: pinball is fun. |
| 23:58.31 | ricefoodeat | is it considered ghetto there? |
| 23:58.42 | ricefoodeat | I come from a culture which looks down upon such stuff, they prefer debt |
| 23:58.53 | ricefoodeat | programmerq: yea, i got a gotlieb |
| 23:58.54 | jfindlay | ricefoodeat: no, that's where the trees are :) |
| 23:59.02 | joshh | nowhere in utah is actual ghetto |
| 23:59.18 | ricefoodeat | no i meant is drywalling a giant shed ghetto there |
| 23:59.25 | joshh | no |
| 23:59.29 | ricefoodeat | really? |
| 23:59.32 | joshh | nobody will care |
| 23:59.46 | ricefoodeat | is that due to non-debt culture or outdoor-survival-stuff-from-parents-or-religion |
| 23:59.49 | jfindlay | no, there's basically nothing anywhere in Utah once you get away from the Wasactch mountains |