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| 00:52.56 | jlp_znc | heh heh, nice. |
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| 16:46.32 | jfindlay | ~napoleon |
| 16:46.32 | infobot | Wait, I forgot the crystals. |
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| 17:52.28 | jlp_znc | ~middleman |
| 17:52.28 | infobot | I'm as serious as a Hefty bag full of Rottweilers. |
| 17:52.53 | eightyeight | ~linux |
| 17:52.54 | infobot | Real games for linux...Linux lacks on graphic tools too...Yeah gimp is good... |
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| 18:08.33 | Tod-Work | ~nacho |
| 18:08.33 | infobot | Why can't we ever have just, like, a salad? |
| 18:08.50 | Tod-Work | PLUG tonight |
| 18:08.53 | Tod-Work | Don't go |
| 18:08.57 | Tod-Work | I'm speaking there |
| 18:09.00 | Tod-Work | It will be BORING |
| 18:15.08 | unum | zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 18:30.55 | jsmith | Tod-Work: Well, I'm going going to tell you now -- I'm not going. |
| 18:31.08 | jsmith | Tod-Work: (That being said, if I were anywhere within a hundred miles, I'd go) |
| 18:37.16 | Tod-Work | jsmith, this sounds like a personal problem |
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| 19:00.31 | jlp_znc | what's the topic, Tod-Work? |
| 19:00.48 | jlp_znc | (I'm probably not going, because, Provo, but still curious.) |
| 19:01.13 | Tod-Work | How to give better tech interviews (in an effort to learn how to take them better) |
| 19:01.31 | Tod-Work | It's actually in Orem at the UVU Business Center thing right off the freeway, not that this is a huge difference |
| 19:01.39 | jlp_znc | ahh, cool. |
| 19:01.46 | Tod-Work | My excitement for Orem is that I get to go to Chipotle |
| 19:04.07 | joshh | heh |
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| 19:08.35 | eightyeight | finally convinced my wife to go to chipotle. she went with my recommendation on what to order (she's a very picky eater), and actually liked it |
| 19:08.36 | jlp_znc | so are you going to talk about how terrible FizzBuzz is? |
| 19:09.49 | jlp_znc | https://www.quora.com/Is-the-FizzBuzz-task-an-effective-way-to-interview-engineers |
| 19:10.55 | joshh | ask fizzbuzz first, get them thinking it's going to be cake, then bust out the hard stuff |
| 19:13.06 | eightyeight | fizzbuzz? i want to see radix sort. |
| 19:13.23 | jlp_znc | we had a candidate at linkedin one time that couldn't do fizzbuzz (our version of it.. called... wait for it... "linked in") in 40 minutes with lots of coaching. |
| 19:13.42 | jlp_znc | he didn't make it to the second phone screen. |
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| 19:26.44 | Tod-Work | jlp_znc, fizzbuzz is a fantastic weeder, but I change up the variables so they can't rote memorize it |
| 19:27.05 | Tod-Work | It is not, and never was a gauge of programmer effectiveness |
| 19:27.14 | Tod-Work | and yes, I do in fact talk about this =cP |
| 19:28.09 | joshh | change it how? |
| 19:29.20 | jfindlay | I did a programming interview task once that wanted me to implement the 'sieve of aristhones'. It made me seriously question whether I wanted to work there at all if the person writing the test prompts couldn't be bothered to use a spell checker |
| 19:30.34 | jfindlay | I ended up implementing κÏÏκινον á¼ÏαÏοÏθÎνοÏ
Ï, which may be why I didn't get the job: wrong algorithm, I guess |
| 19:30.53 | Tod-Work | joshh, instead of 3 and 5, have it be 7 and 4, change the strings Fizz and Buzz, that sort of thing |
| 19:31.08 | joshh | ah i see |
| 19:36.19 | Tod-Work | I don't agree with the woman in the quora answer. Her analogies fail at the onset, and her examples of "better" questions don't hold water to her claims (finding the highest population year from a list of births/deaths is just as ephemeral nonsense as fizzbuzz, but much more algorithm heavy, not code) |
| 19:36.44 | Tod-Work | The point of fizzbuzz is answering the basics of "do you know what the hell an if statement and a loop are?" |
| 19:37.26 | Tod-Work | anyone out of dev bootcamp should be able to do it. I don't even care if they do it in an efficient manner, that's not the point. It's not a puzzle (and if you treat it like one, you should lose your interviewing privileges and think about what you've done). |
| 19:37.27 | joshh | i don't really love any questions honestly |
| 19:37.28 | jlp_znc | and how to mod divide |
| 19:37.36 | joshh | i always hate taking tech interviews |
| 19:37.37 | Tod-Work | mod isn't even required |
| 19:37.44 | joshh | because so many places do awful questions |
| 19:37.57 | joshh | and i've seen too many coworkers want to fail people for not knowing their own personal pet piece of trivia |
| 19:38.20 | joshh | most people are terrible at interviewing |
| 19:38.31 | jlp_znc | our variant used different numbers and words, but we concentrated on how they went about solving the problem. made them talk about it. |
| 19:38.49 | Tod-Work | I've seen some crazy solutions, but if I was looking for an optimal solution, I'm just guilty of premature optimization |
| 19:38.50 | jlp_znc | and it really was a "weed out" question for us. |
| 19:39.08 | jlp_znc | after implementing it "can you walk me through how it works?" |
| 19:39.15 | Tod-Work | joshh, yes, and those people should come to my talk and be bored for their crimes =cP |
| 19:43.17 | jfindlay | I got failed by about 35-40 interviews in the past 3 years. Most of them I could tell I was already qualified for. That's how bad interviewers are, even non-HR interviewers |
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