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| 17:38.35 | keldwud | isn't it kind of ridiculous how we have to sign up and register on a new website for every job application we wish to turn in? Job hunting puts one at serious risk for identity theft and makes one extremely vulnerable from a security point of view. |
| 17:39.06 | keldwud | Especially considering you have to apply at 25+ websites before getting a job. |
| 17:39.30 | keldwud | That's 25 websites that I had to create a new password for, enter all of my personal information into their database, etc. |
| 17:39.55 | keldwud | Wouldn't it be more secure if we just emailed our resumes to the recruiter / hiring manager directly? |
| 17:40.14 | T4rku5 | keldwud: I find I have to put in many more applications than 25. More like 75, if you're wiling to relocate (which I'd have to do if I can't find a job around me) |
| 17:40.25 | T4rku5 | Yes, I think the process is crap |
| 17:40.46 | T4rku5 | the WORST is when you have to upload your resume, then rebuild it all in their clunky application |
| 17:40.53 | keldwud | T4rku5, true, I was going to say 50 but I didn't want people to think I was crazy. |
| 17:41.09 | keldwud | T4rku5, yeah, that IS the worst. I don't understand that process one bit. |
| 17:41.11 | T4rku5 | Why do you want to know my work history if I JUST GAVE IT TO YOU?! |
| 17:41.29 | keldwud | have you also noticed that almost every online application has the salary question? |
| 17:41.39 | T4rku5 | 75 applications, 15 interviews, 5 second interviews, 1 job offer |
| 17:41.45 | keldwud | some even get smart and make you put in a non-zero value |
| 17:41.45 | T4rku5 | or 2, and you have to choose |
| 17:42.02 | keldwud | I had a sweet job offer at the end of November |
| 17:42.14 | keldwud | but their HR department threw a fit |
| 17:43.58 | keldwud | well, 2 of them. I had to turn down the 12-9pm shift because the hours are incompatible with raising children. |
| 17:44.13 | T4rku5 | yep yep |
| 17:45.58 | keldwud | I'm still pretty frustrated over the rejection. Their online application specifically states (during the criminal history question) that if you are a resident of Utah, do not include misdemeanors. |
| 17:46.06 | jlp_znc | yeah, it kind of sucks. there are HR platforms out there that try to consolidate, but they are not widely used so they defeat the purpose. |
| 17:46.19 | keldwud | then the HR Director got upset that I had misdemeanors and felt I was trying to hide it from them |
| 17:46.35 | jlp_znc | did you point out the text on the application? |
| 17:46.38 | keldwud | jlp_znc, there's taleo but that still doesn't rectify the problem because I still have to have a separate identity for each company |
| 17:46.53 | keldwud | jlp_znc, the HR Director refused to communicate with me directly about any of it |
| 17:47.04 | jlp_znc | bah, you probably didn't want to work there, anyway, then. |
| 17:47.06 | keldwud | she kept her doors closed to me and their internal recruiter |
| 17:47.17 | jlp_znc | idiots |
| 17:47.39 | keldwud | yeah, it was pretty upsetting. |
| 17:47.40 | jlp_znc | "we really really want to hire you... oh, wait, someone who doesn't have to work with you and knows nothing about your job said no." |
| 17:47.41 | T4rku5 | keldwud: Can you share who it was? |
| 17:47.56 | keldwud | it was sling.tv / move networks / echostar |
| 17:48.02 | keldwud | the recruiter was great |
| 17:48.07 | keldwud | and so were the hiring managers |
| 17:48.21 | T4rku5 | but clearly there's a right hand/left hand problem |
| 17:48.26 | jlp_znc | they tried to recruit me a while back. they didn't even balk when I said I had been a directv user for over a decade. |
| 17:48.38 | keldwud | I think I was just the first person the HR Director had ever encountered that had misdemeanors and she probably was playing it "by the book" |
| 17:48.58 | jlp_znc | problem was I had just accepted a job when their interest was piqued. |
| 17:49.03 | keldwud | I was in their HR system and everything. |
| 17:49.21 | keldwud | so now I've been out of work for a couple months because they took two weeks to properly reject me |
| 17:49.37 | keldwud | it still seems like a great place to work, minus the HR kerfuffle |
| 17:49.52 | jlp_znc | so they "hired" you, but then decided that based on the background check they didn't want you after all. |
| 17:49.56 | jlp_znc | bastards. |
| 17:49.57 | keldwud | I'm gonna go get my records expunged and re-apply, but I doubt the HR director will let me move past all that |
| 17:50.03 | keldwud | jlp_znc, yup. |
| 17:50.13 | keldwud | everything is older than five years, even |
| 17:50.29 | jlp_znc | "you're hired... now go quit your current job. done? okay, april fools!" |
| 17:50.55 | keldwud | jlp_znc, exactly. I spent a couple weeks of heavy drinking to try and forget about it |
| 17:50.59 | jlp_znc | thing is, a reputation for that kind of behaviour tends to get around in the days of the internets. |
| 17:51.52 | keldwud | plus, since I had already exhausted that quarter's jobs along the wasatch front for my skillset, I had to wait until a new quarter to find new opportunities posted |
| 17:51.57 | keldwud | which I'm doing right now |
| 17:51.57 | jlp_znc | what schedule can you work, keldwud |
| 17:52.22 | keldwud | I can work graves if it is remote, and I can work any hours between 7am - 5pm |
| 17:52.43 | keldwud | I'm working my way through linkedin postings right now |
| 17:52.48 | jlp_znc | I think we have a couple of reqs opening up. most people around here work 7-3 or 8-4. |
| 17:53.40 | keldwud | ooh, 7-3 sounds very attractive |
| 17:53.46 | keldwud | bluehost, right? |
| 17:53.50 | jlp_znc | nope |
| 17:54.00 | jlp_znc | bluehost and I had a falling out. |
| 17:54.00 | keldwud | dm me |
| 17:54.04 | keldwud | ahh, ok |
| 17:54.23 | jlp_znc | I'm at Verisys now. been here sine August. |
| 17:54.41 | jlp_znc | although I'm still wearing bluehost's jacket. :-) |
| 17:55.08 | keldwud | I still have all of my EMC schwag |
| 17:55.25 | keldwud | I took a look at some news stories and it looks like Dell cut the work force rather drastically |
| 17:55.37 | keldwud | which is good for when interviewers ask me why I left EMC |
| 17:56.01 | jlp_znc | heh, "well, Dell" |
| 18:00.59 | jlp_znc | I think LinkedIn is missing an opportunity to get in the door with a hiring/HR system. they have a ton of data already. |
| 18:02.52 | keldwud | I've noticed that many companies still want you to "apply on our website" even when it comes through linkedin, so it's probably not a technical issue but more a cultural issue |
| 18:03.05 | keldwud | I love the ones that let you just apply directly on linkedin |
| 18:04.40 | jlp_znc | that's what I mean... they need a team to agressivly market that capability. |
| 18:05.51 | joshh | i could see them doing what greenhouse and the like do to an extent, but i dunno about the "HR system" side |
| 18:06.18 | keldwud | HR departments like to "own" the data, I'd imagine. |
| 18:07.10 | joshh | workday and trinet do a pretty good job |
| 18:08.15 | jlp_znc | they just need a way to inject the data into the HR flow. |
| 18:08.57 | jlp_znc | I can imagine a team doing custom integrations. I would expect a lot of code could be reused (a lot of companies use SAS, for example). |
| 18:12.08 | goozbach | a couple weeks and a perl script later... |
| 18:12.28 | goozbach | I did similar work for a contract gig in florida |
| 18:12.44 | goozbach | creating a "rosetta stone" style import tool |
| 18:12.59 | keldwud | seriously, that would be so handy |
| 18:13.14 | goozbach | so we could import all of the different contact info from 20ish different acccount managment tools |
| 18:13.34 | goozbach | groupwise, ad, LDAP, NIS(shudder) etc. |
| 18:13.36 | joshh | you can also just use linkedin to search for jobs instead of going to website apply links |
| 18:14.41 | keldwud | has anyone else noticed that there is a trend for companies with offices in Seattle to hire people from the greater Salt Lake area? |
| 18:14.44 | joshh | maybe that's more likely to only need your linkedin info, not sure though |
| 18:15.51 | joshh | could be, companies in the bay are hiring a lot of people in seattle lately |
| 18:16.23 | joshh | all the people who think amazon is too brutal |
| 18:18.54 | keldwud | is it really that bad? should I avoid the amazon recruiters? |
| 18:19.32 | keldwud | so the bay is sucking up talent from seattle, leaving a void, and then Seattle starts sucking up talent from places like Salt Lake City? |
| 18:19.52 | keldwud | why doesn't they Bay area just skip the middle man and get talent from SLC? :) |
| 18:20.08 | keldwud | they can hire us for HALF of what they have to pay people living in the bay area |
| 18:20.13 | jlp_znc | because people move from the bay area to SLC, not hte other way around :-) |
| 18:20.17 | joshh | they do, it's just less well known, everyone here always talks about seattle and austin as the places to find people |
| 18:20.20 | rsimpkins | There is an easy solution. Write up skriptkiddie botz to spam application forms with every buzzword. 100 years experience with UNIX, 99 years experience with windows, 98 years experience with DOS. |
| 18:20.30 | joshh | programmerq works for a company based here |
| 18:20.38 | keldwud | rsimpkins++ |
| 18:20.41 | rsimpkins | The Seattle IT scene scares me. |
| 18:20.55 | joshh | people think of slc as having polygamists and skiing |
| 18:20.56 | keldwud | I'd really like to try out Seattle and my daughter loved it when we visited. |
| 18:21.13 | keldwud | but I know nothing of the IT scene out there and the cost of living there is intimidating |
| 18:21.18 | jlp_znc | seattle is nice if you can handle not seeing the sun for three months. |
| 18:21.19 | rsimpkins | I think Seattle is a wonderful town... TO VISIT! :0 |
| 18:21.31 | keldwud | not as intimidating as the bay area, but it is definitely more than out here |
| 18:21.33 | rsimpkins | Crime is crazy there. |
| 18:21.38 | keldwud | really? |
| 18:21.44 | RyanE | not as nice to visit this past summer. Brown lawns, no rain. |
| 18:21.47 | RyanE | way too hot. |
| 18:21.48 | jlp_znc | I went there for a conference once and saw the sun for about 20 minutes (not counting from the plane) |
| 18:21.49 | rsimpkins | Seattle criminals are on a whole level of nutzoid. |
| 18:21.52 | keldwud | as in anecdotal evidence or actual statistics? |
| 18:21.53 | RyanE | but normal years, yeah. |
| 18:22.13 | joshh | rsimpkins: the gray makes them more crazy |
| 18:22.15 | rsimpkins | anecdotal. It isn't just that there is crime, but the crimes committed are freakin' nutz. |
| 18:22.41 | rsimpkins | On your next visit, watch the local news. You'll get the flow real fast. |
| 18:22.48 | joshh | to be fair it seems like that everywhere |
| 18:23.26 | rsimpkins | Yes. Lehi has a crime wave. Horrible. ;-) |
| 18:23.45 | rsimpkins | I'm pretty sure some horses escaped my neighbors field. Still haven't found it. |
| 18:23.56 | rsimpkins | Probably have a serial horse murder in Lehi. |
| 18:24.37 | joshh | the white people dating site utah billboard made the news here |
| 18:25.08 | joshh | last thing that did that i recall was the pleasant grove killer mom |
| 18:25.32 | joshh | i think the mountain man fugitive guy stayed mostly local |
| 18:26.04 | joshh | what else weird has happened there |
| 18:26.21 | joshh | the vernal prison escapee saga was interesting |
| 18:27.27 | rsimpkins | keldwud: http://komonews.com/news/local/surveillance-video-captures-brazen-bothell-burglar <<Cops show up, burglar leaves trail of loot, cops still can't catch him. |
| 18:27.56 | keldwud | like Florida Man level nuts? :) |
| 18:28.14 | joshh | i read a thing about floridaman the other day |
| 18:28.16 | rsimpkins | keldwud: Even the shoplifters are crazy: http://komonews.com/news/local/accused-shoplifter-rams-cop-leads-police-on-chase-in-federal-way |
| 18:28.38 | joshh | i guess they have some state law about how certain types of crimes are allowed to be reported, so it leads to a much higher amount of crazy stories |
| 18:28.53 | joshh | so the state seems crazier than others a little unfairly |
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| 19:51.13 | shalkie | keldwud: Are you looking again? |
| 19:53.14 | eightyeight | https://twitter.com/bbaskin/status/684067667544784897 |
| 19:53.32 | keldwud | shalkie, yeah |
| 19:53.58 | keldwud | because the hiring process didn't pan out for me when I accepted a job offer back during thanksgiving |
| 19:54.06 | keldwud | HR director balked at my background |
| 19:54.46 | keldwud | which I didn't figure would be an issue considering it didn't bother EMC, my federal background clearance, Oracle, or any other number of companies |
| 19:55.27 | keldwud | I think she just didn't know how to interpret the information and only saw black and white where any shade other than white needs to be rejected |
| 20:04.26 | unum | This is going to be a fun year |
| 20:04.28 | unum | http://www.elections.utah.gov/election-resources/2016-candidate-signatures |
| 20:21.28 | unum | http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-responds-to-inquiries-regarding-oregon-armed-occupation |
| 20:21.46 | unum | in case anyone here was thinking of joining "Captain Moroni" |
| 20:23.25 | programmerq | wait, the oregon nuts are LDS? |
| 20:23.54 | programmerq | how did I miss that? |
| 20:23.59 | unum | programmerq: the two leaders are |
| 20:24.08 | programmerq | ah |
| 20:24.09 | unum | they are cliven bundy's sons |
| 20:24.28 | programmerq | googles cliven bundy |
| 20:24.28 | unum | there's atleast one other guy who would only give his name as captain moroni |
| 20:25.14 | unum | Cliven Bundy lead a standoff against the federal government in 2014 |
| 20:25.38 | unum | something about not having to pay the rest of us for using land that we all own |
| 20:27.31 | rainbows | isnt sending him back to prison for the same crime called double jeporty or something like that |
| 20:28.12 | rainbows | either way right wrong i dont really care its the most interesting thing i have heard in a while i want to see how it pans out |
| 20:30.57 | unum | he was not tried twice for the same crime |
| 20:31.12 | unum | someone released him early |
| 20:31.16 | unum | both of them |
| 20:31.32 | rainbows | weird |
| 20:31.51 | unum | there are legitimate complaints about mininium mandatory sentances |
| 20:32.28 | rainbows | like if you fuck it up you shouldnt be like hah just kidding come back? |
| 20:33.28 | rainbows | i read they were lready 70 |
| 20:33.38 | unum | father and son |
| 20:33.39 | rainbows | and were gaurding an empty building |
| 20:33.44 | unum | the father is 70 |
| 20:33.55 | unum | oh you mean the number of people at the building |
| 20:34.07 | unum | that seems to vary with the report from 15-150 |
| 20:34.09 | rainbows | why are we arresting grandpa |
| 20:34.28 | unum | for starting a massive fire on public property to conceal illegal activity |
| 20:34.43 | unum | he did it twice almost ten years ago |
| 20:34.50 | unum | 2003 and 2006 |
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| 20:35.29 | unum | congress set a mandatory mininium sentance of 5 years for intentionally creating a forest fire |
| 20:36.30 | rainbows | but it wasnt a forest fire it was a ranch fire right |
| 20:36.39 | rainbows | or is tht considered the same thing |
| 20:37.48 | rainbows | i think law is weird |
| 20:37.56 | rsimpkins | If people have issues with minimum sentancing they should take it up with their elected officials. Not sieze buildings and goad law enforcement with threats of bloodshed. |
| 20:38.09 | unum | the fire was on federal property and that's the issue |
| 20:38.14 | unum | I'm not sure the exacty wording |
| 20:38.14 | rainbows | if the officials listen |
| 20:38.23 | rsimpkins | No. Not 'if the officials listen' |
| 20:38.27 | rsimpkins | that's a justification for violence. |
| 20:39.07 | rsimpkins | If they officials don't listen, you are free to protest peacefully, get "your man" elected, publish a newspaper, or otherwise spread the word. |
| 20:39.33 | unum | the bundy's haven't really said much about the mandatory mininium sentancing, they are mostly talking about allowing hunting, logging, and mining in the refuge |
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| 20:40.09 | unum | speaking of getting your man elected, it's "intent to gather day"!!! |
| 20:40.15 | unum | of course I already posted the link |
| 20:40.26 | unum | this could be a really interesting year in Utah politics |
| 20:40.38 | rsimpkins | The wacky people who decided to take over those buildings don't get to decide what happens on public land by standing around with guns. They get to decide when they cast their ballot. |
| 20:41.53 | rainbows | but they dont they would be in jail if they didnt do this right |
| 20:42.31 | rsimpkins | If everyone who lost an election or political movmement grabbed guns and took over wildlife refuges, there'd be no point to democracy in the first place. |
| 20:42.44 | unum | the two people who were sentanced to jail, went to jail |
| 20:43.05 | unum | they are not part of this armed seizure |
| 20:44.00 | rainbows | i am losing faith we have a democracy |
| 20:44.17 | rsimpkins | Then convince others to rediscover the power of their vote. |
| 20:44.28 | rainbows | although i hear the governemnts in other countries are worse |
| 20:44.45 | unum | rsimpkins: ya that's the most frustrating thing, if all the people who were likely to vote for me had voted, I'd by a state rep |
| 20:45.06 | unum | but they all decided to stay home because it wouldn't make a difference |
| 20:45.08 | rainbows | convincing people to vote is like convincing people to brush their teeth |
| 20:45.16 | rsimpkins | unum: I don't even want to pretend to know what it takes to run an election campaign. |
| 20:45.39 | unum | well when you only have $6000 there's not much you can do :) |
| 20:45.40 | rsimpkins | Making it easier to vote might be a good first start. |
| 20:45.57 | unum | the mail ballots help increase turn out |
| 20:46.03 | rsimpkins | Standing in line for 4 hours is not in the cards for many voters. |
| 20:46.14 | rainbows | in huntington beach there was a 96% vote against a housing development |
| 20:46.20 | unum | utah has been experimenting with going all mail in voting |
| 20:46.41 | rainbows | so officials took it to a court in another county to make a ruling for it |
| 20:47.01 | rainbows | the trial was on film and more or less an infomercial |
| 20:47.19 | rainbows | for the housing dev people against werent even allowed to talk |
| 20:47.43 | programmerq | the prison hearing they had out here in saratoga was a joke. |
| 20:47.55 | programmerq | err, I guess it was eagle mountain by then |
| 20:48.37 | programmerq | the moderator would doctor up the questions submitted beforehand in favor of the prison relocation committee's skewed views on the area |
| 20:48.46 | programmerq | and then people would call her out on it and she'd get all pissed |
| 20:49.14 | programmerq | and then someone on the PRC would be "answering" and they'd avoid actually answering it, so people would call them out, and the "moderator" would get all pissed. |
| 20:49.17 | rainbows | i think the districts need to be further broken up a city might mean as much population as a state use to have |
| 20:49.37 | rainbows | thats pretty bad |
| 20:49.41 | unum | programmerq: the vote to move the prison had been made previously, the committee had no authority to recommend it stay in draper |
| 20:49.57 | programmerq | one question was about where water would come from, and the PRC person was like "oh, eagle mountain city" and the mayor got up on stage and was like "nope", and the moderator was super pissed and rude to the mayor. |
| 20:50.29 | programmerq | doesn't change the fact that the "moderator" at that hearing was shit |
| 20:50.43 | rainbows | i wish being a crocked politician was punishable by death |
| 20:51.15 | rainbows | or judge or law enforcement |
| 20:51.58 | rainbows | more power should mean more responsibility |
| 20:52.21 | rainbows | saying that i believe the vast majority are truly trying their best |
| 20:53.02 | rainbows | but it a few losers can create so much chaos |
| 20:53.59 | jlp_znc | indeed |
| 20:54.25 | jlp_znc | but it's a slippery slope. pretty soon, you're voting the death penalty for having too many traffic violations. |
| 20:54.35 | rainbows | no it isnt |
| 20:54.54 | jlp_znc | (see http://will.tip.dhappy.org/blog/Compression%20Trees/.../book/by/Larry%20Niven/The%20Jigsaw%20Man/Larry%20Niven%20-%20The%20Jigsaw%20Man.html) |
| 20:55.02 | rainbows | i believe rape and child molestation by an adult should be a death sentnce though |
| 20:55.03 | unum | determining the definition of crooked is also very dificilt |
| 20:55.06 | RyanE | It's a fairly well-graded slope, with handicap railings. |
| 20:55.14 | RyanE | not slippery *at all*. :) |
| 20:56.16 | rainbows | i am saying a man stole over a mil from the city of bell in cali |
| 20:56.50 | rainbows | he cant pay it back and the city will stuggle because of it |
| 20:56.59 | rainbows | does he deserve to die? |
| 20:57.07 | unum | I'd say no |
| 20:57.16 | unum | was he even an elected official |
| 20:57.38 | unum | we shouldn't kill people for embezzelment |
| 20:58.11 | unum | these people in Oregan believe Obama to be a crooked politician, others don't |
| 20:58.28 | unum | or atleast no more crooked then anyone else who has succesfully won an election |
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| 21:53.35 | romanovic | heh. every time I see the Bundys in the news, I think of the Danbys in Support Your Local Sherriff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW3vklH3oYM |
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| 21:57.41 | romanovic | keldwud: HR departments can be so shady with hiring practices... at my current job, after I was "hired", I had to delay my start date by several weeks even though they were very anxious to have me |
| 21:59.08 | romanovic | the background checks weren't complete yet, and I refused to provide any income history or tax information. I had 0% confidence in their process, so I just told them I would not be giving notice at my last job until they completed their background check with the info I was willing to provide |
| 22:02.15 | romanovic | last year, one of my coworkers was "hired" for a position he was really looking forward to, and on his first day they fired him before he got to his desk. When they did his background check, apparently the date on one of his degress was one semester off from the school's records, and the company couldn't get past it |
| 22:02.43 | romanovic | apparently this was enough indication that he was a liar and a terrible human being, so they fired him and barred him from re-applying at the company in the future |
| 22:03.29 | jlp_znc | what company is this? |
| 22:03.46 | jlp_znc | is making a list |
| 22:07.06 | romanovic | jlp_znc: I don't remember, exactly. It was in Health Care, where one would expect to have maybe a more thorough background check, but disagreement on the month you officially received a degree is a little ludicrous |
| 22:33.29 | keldwud | romanovic, yeah, that sounds pretty close to what happened in my case. They also couldn't verify my GED because Alpine Life and Learning no longer exists and East Shore doesn't have the records from ALLC apparently. |
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| 22:37.22 | romanovic | on a related note - I just started listening to the Software Engineering Daily podcast, and the host interviewed someone from Triplebyte, which sounds like a really interesting company https://triplebyte.com/ |
| 22:37.58 | romanovic | their tagline is "We help programmers find great jobs at Y Combinator startups. No resumes, just show us you can code." |
| 22:39.34 | romanovic | (if you are looking specifically for a programming job, anyway) |
| 22:41.14 | keldwud | romanovic, I ended up being more attracted to infrastructure an linux than programming, so I let my coding skills take a back seat |
| 22:41.34 | romanovic | but they do a lot of cool data sciency and machine learning things with job applications. basically, why do companies allow HR departments and whiteboard code performance block new hires who are legitimately qualified for the code they'd actually be working on? |
| 22:42.25 | keldwud | interesting |
| 22:42.50 | rainbows | libility |
| 22:43.02 | keldwud | yeah, liability is a bitch when it comes to insurance |
| 22:43.25 | rainbows | same reason you cant drink in the office |
| 22:43.28 | keldwud | some insurance providers are less willing to take "risks" and they only crunch numbers |
| 22:43.37 | keldwud | rainbows, wait what? I can't drink in the office!? |
| 22:43.44 | keldwud | ;) |
| 22:44.04 | rainbows | if one person says something about how they were being put out because their religion doesnt allow them to drink they can sue |
| 22:44.13 | rainbows | and win |
| 22:44.37 | rainbows | my boyfriends aunt is an hr rep |
| 22:45.03 | rainbows | she said you wont believe the things people can sue for and that the 70s were crazy |
| 22:45.40 | rainbows | also if you provide booze someone drives home drunk you are liable |
| 22:45.47 | keldwud | that's a big one there |
| 22:45.57 | keldwud | that's why most companies don't have beers for celebrations |
| 22:46.02 | rainbows | ruining everyones fun |
| 22:46.08 | keldwud | but I've been to plenty of celebrations with beer |
| 22:46.16 | keldwud | just not booze |
| 22:46.24 | keldwud | and I've been in a few offices with beer, as well. |
| 22:46.43 | keldwud | but those are outliers and anecdotal, I completely understand why it's not the norm |
| 22:46.46 | rainbows | mngement has to be reasonably sure you wont drive drunk and wont sue |
| 22:47.02 | rainbows | or just nuts |
| 22:47.16 | keldwud | that's why there's public transportation! so we can drink at work ;) |
| 22:47.31 | rainbows | go to japan |
| 22:47.53 | rainbows | drinking for 3-4hrs after work with coworkers is the norm |
| 22:48.07 | rainbows | although they are amazingly clean |
| 22:48.12 | keldwud | http://www.hulu.com/watch/13350 |
| 22:50.29 | rainbows | i cant hulu |
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| 23:57.25 | eightyeight | woah: https://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=38006765 |
| 23:58.30 | jlp_znc | oh geez |