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| 06:22.42 | shalkie | I probably just missed it but congrats to jsmith on the recent Fedora elections. |
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| 14:07.32 | eightyeight | shalkie: ? |
| 14:48.30 | jsmith | shalkie: Thanks :-) |
| 14:55.16 | eightyeight | jsmith: what are the congrats for? |
| 14:59.14 | jsmith | eightyeight: I got elected to the Fedora Engineering Steering Committee... |
| 14:59.39 | eightyeight | ah. nice. congrats. |
| 15:00.09 | eightyeight | although, i thought you left fedora after being community manager? |
| 15:00.31 | jsmith | Didn't leave Fedora -- but I did leave Red Hat |
| 15:00.38 | eightyeight | ah. that's it. |
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| 15:43.30 | unum | eightyeight: can I copy a single folder out of a snap shot? |
| 15:46.06 | eightyeight | in ZFS? |
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| 15:47.08 | unum | eightyeight: ya |
| 15:47.36 | unum | looks like he wrote some scripts to help restoring a file |
| 15:47.42 | unum | but I think it was just for one file |
| 15:48.23 | eightyeight | you can navigate to <dataset-mount>/.zfs/snapshot/ |
| 15:48.33 | eightyeight | all snapshots will there as directories |
| 15:48.41 | eightyeight | entering them, you can get the data out you're looking for |
| 15:48.51 | eightyeight | ZFS snapshots are first-class filesystems |
| 15:49.14 | unum | oh ya that makes sense |
| 15:49.27 | unum | hmm I must be looking in the wrong sopt |
| 15:49.28 | unum | spot |
| 15:49.47 | eightyeight | the dataset must be mounted, of course |
| 15:50.00 | eightyeight | and you need to be at the mount-point root |
| 15:50.36 | eightyeight | IE: if pool/home is mounted to /home/, then you'll go to /home/.zfs/snapshot/ |
| 15:51.06 | unum | the way it's mounted is really confusing |
| 15:51.16 | eightyeight | pastebin the mounts? |
| 15:52.11 | unum | found it |
| 15:52.17 | unum | I couldn't see it with ls -al |
| 15:52.24 | eightyeight | yeah. it's hidden. |
| 15:52.31 | eightyeight | you can show it with a ZFS property |
| 15:53.16 | eightyeight | # zfs set snapdir=visible $pool/$dataset |
| 15:53.22 | eightyeight | default is 'hidden' |
| 15:53.53 | unum | ah I see that in your notes now |
| 15:54.40 | unum | I was skimming trying to get it restored quickly |
| 15:54.43 | unum | thanks |
| 15:55.51 | unum | it's frustrating that linux is so late to the game with some of these advanced features |
| 15:56.01 | unum | as you know we were on networe for far too long |
| 15:56.23 | eightyeight | yeah |
| 15:56.32 | eightyeight | ZFS as a SAN is so sexy |
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| 16:57.15 | d3c4f | as a SAN? or as a NAS? |
| 16:57.29 | d3c4f | also, ZFS is indeed amaze-balls. :) |
| 16:58.45 | eightyeight | SAN or NAS |
| 16:58.56 | eightyeight | you could do a SAN with zvols and iSCSI |
| 16:59.15 | eightyeight | on NAS with standard datasets and NFS |
| 16:59.40 | eightyeight | s/^on/and/ |
| 17:00.55 | d3c4f | you ever play with AoE? |
| 17:01.00 | eightyeight | yes |
| 17:01.03 | eightyeight | ++ |
| 17:01.10 | d3c4f | totally |
| 17:01.16 | eightyeight | too bad coraid took a dump |
| 17:01.58 | d3c4f | I'm out of the loop there. What happened with coraid? |
| 17:02.15 | eightyeight | foreclosed |
| 17:02.23 | d3c4f | lame |
| 17:02.45 | eightyeight | yeah. i'm skeptical that anyone will continue development of AoE |
| 17:03.02 | d3c4f | that really sucks |
| 17:04.51 | eightyeight | if you are familiar with inifiband, you could configure RDMA-over-ethernet targets, although less intuitive than iSCSI |
| 17:04.57 | eightyeight | but hardware is cheap, cheap, cheap |
| 17:06.02 | d3c4f | yeah, I have looked at infiniband a bit. It has it's ++ and --, but I think I prefer iSCSI at this point |
| 17:06.09 | eightyeight | yeah |
| 17:06.25 | eightyeight | i also have a love/hate relationship with it |
| 17:06.33 | d3c4f | that's natural |
| 17:07.17 | d3c4f | I am most familiar with HPs DAS storage solutions. Which I like, but they don't scale super huge |
| 17:07.53 | eightyeight | i was excited to deploy GlusterFS on IB on ZFS |
| 17:08.03 | eightyeight | but IB on debian is less-than-great |
| 17:08.19 | eightyeight | and GlusterFS IB support is primarily RHEL/CentOS targeted |
| 17:08.29 | eightyeight | i need to deploy Ceph on ZFS |
| 17:08.35 | eightyeight | just need to find the time |
| 17:08.59 | d3c4f | sounds interesting, I have limited knowledge of ZFS on Linux. Primarily I use FBSD for that stuff. Played with OpenSolaris for a while also.. |
| 17:10.17 | eightyeight | although, i'm getting strongly tempted to migrate to Btrfs |
| 17:10.33 | eightyeight | ZoL solved a need i had when Btrfs was highly volatile |
| 17:10.58 | d3c4f | yeah, I've heard BTRFS is getting much better |
| 17:11.05 | eightyeight | i'm running a Btrfs root on my worksation now (with a ZFS /home), and it's been great |
| 17:11.13 | d3c4f | nice |
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| 17:31.03 | jfindlay | eightyeight: I read something about how BTRFS was reactionary NIH or something like that |
| 17:31.24 | eightyeight | sounds like typical anti-linux drivel |
| 17:31.29 | jfindlay | lol |
| 17:31.33 | romanovic | https://edri.org/santa-claus-confirms-nsa-attack-on-naughty-or-nice-database/ |
| 17:32.40 | eightyeight | jfindlay: and yet, when a developer does specifically dev something for "linux only" (systemd), the anti-linux folks come out crying foul |
| 17:34.40 | eightyeight | although, perhaps systemd is a poor example. that doesn't get much love in the linux camp as is. heh. |
| 17:35.36 | jfindlay | yeah, I'm not that impressed with the systemd general model, but it is way better than traditional init |
| 17:37.17 | jfindlay | when you start changing people's systems with an app as different and opinionated as systemd you're guaranteed to get vitriol |
| 17:38.27 | jfindlay | and so that you don't think I'm so opinionated myself that I won't try new opinionated apps, I've been trying to use fish as my primary shell the past few days |
| 17:39.01 | jfindlay | there are things I love about it and things I hate about it, so I'm not sure yet where I'll end up |
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| 20:37.31 | asoc | Question for those of you that do ham radio stuff: What is the general feeling about having names/addresses online publicly searchable? Is it seen as not a big deal or something that is just dealt with since that is how it is? |
| 20:40.46 | asoc | as it is when you get a HAM license. |
| 20:47.43 | eightyeight | it's a risk, of course |
| 20:48.09 | eightyeight | i haven't heard of any specific violent or privacy breaching cases due to the FCC DB, however |
| 20:48.23 | asoc | I was taking to some people about the new drone registration laws and the possibility of having the licence numbers be publicly searchable in the future. Which upsets a lot of people. but then I learned Ham licenses are also public and it made me wonder about what the feelings about that was since a some HAM radio people I have met are usually more privacy consious. |
| 20:49.29 | eightyeight | it doesn't really bother me, tbh. and i have ham radio license plates |
| 20:50.02 | eightyeight | in reality, it's no different than the whitepages phone book |
| 20:50.20 | asoc | I guess that is true. |
| 20:50.27 | eightyeight | except, there is a radio license instead of a phone number |
| 20:50.33 | eightyeight | *callsign |
| 20:50.35 | jlp_znc | It doesn't bother me. If it bothers you, you can get a PO Box and list that in the DB (you have to give the FCC your real address, also, but they will publish your PO Box). |
| 20:54.07 | shalkie | Today I called XMission support solely to see what the hold music was. :D |
| 20:58.40 | jlp_znc | and what was it? |
| 20:59.00 | asoc | thanks eightyeight, jlp_znc. That answers my questions. |
| 21:01.57 | shalkie | Some eight bit type christmas music. Sadly not the Star Wars Holiday Special of yore. |
| 21:04.48 | frostyfrog | Silly IRC client, I'm not OP. :p |
| 21:06.39 | eightyeight | shalkie: we're also playing star wars |
| 21:06.42 | eightyeight | it's in rotation |
| 21:07.05 | eightyeight | 14:06:54 <wsnw> it was R2D2 a minute ago. |
| 21:08.50 | eightyeight | shalkie: i think we added the audio of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7kIclA4yq4 also |
| 21:30.12 | eightyeight | https://pthree.org/2015/12/22/getting-root-on-the-nexus-6-with-android-6/ |
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| 21:48.40 | frostyfrog | =O |
| 21:49.04 | frostyfrog | I know who you are now :3 |
| 21:51.31 | eightyeight | :) |
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