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| 15:13.29 | jima | coat check |
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| 16:22.30 | jlp_znc | âIf weâre all in a ship together and the ship has some holes in it, and weâre sort of bailing water out of it, and we have a great design for a bucket, then even if weâre bailing out way better than everyone else, we should probably still share the bucket design.â - Elon Musk on why he gave away Tesla patents |
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| 17:14.31 | Tod-Work | Reminds me of the seat belt patent |
| 17:15.25 | Tod-Work | At a certain point, I think it's like $12 million for me, all your work can JUST benefit mankind rather than assure your market ownership or whatever |
| 17:15.32 | jlp_znc | there is one thing that I absolutely love about GM vehicles. the windshield washers are actually mounted on the wiper blades. I assume no other manufacturer does this because it's pattented. |
| 17:16.11 | jlp_znc | patented |
| 17:16.48 | jima | uhm, that is NOT an across-the-board GM feature. |
| 17:16.57 | jlp_znc | no? |
| 17:17.09 | jima | or at least, not in 2004. i suppose i don't know their newer stuff. |
| 17:17.13 | jlp_znc | it's been on every chevrolet I have owned since 1989 |
| 17:17.51 | jlp_znc | and every GM vehicle I have rented. |
| 17:21.38 | RyanE | And the little hose on the back wiper on our Suburban has a pinhole in it, so I also give a free carwash to the car behind me. :) |
| 17:21.49 | RyanE | a teensy-tiny carwash. |
| 17:35.08 | eightyeight | $ while sleep .01; do printf "\e[48;5;$(($(od -d -N 2 -A n /dev/urandom)%$(tput colors)))m \e[0m"; done |
| 17:35.15 | eightyeight | jfindlay: colored entropy ^ |
| 17:35.32 | eightyeight | (looks best in a 256-color terminal emulator) |
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| 17:57.35 | shalkie | jlp_znc: I can check in a minute but I don't think that is the case with my chevy. |
| 18:01.57 | jlp_znc | what chevy do you have, shalkie? |
| 18:02.12 | jlp_znc | s/chevy/chebbie/ |
| 18:02.34 | unum | so let's say I had a computer set up mirroring a port on a router and I wanted to track performance of packets coming across the router(lag,jitter,etc) in realtime via web page |
| 18:02.40 | unum | what should I using to do this |
| 18:03.37 | shalkie | Trailblazer. |
| 18:03.41 | shalkie | jlp_znc: ^ |
| 18:04.13 | jlp_znc | they didn't put it on the trailblazer? that's crazy talk. :-) |
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| 18:10.47 | Tod-Work | unum, pcap? |
| 18:11.00 | Tod-Work | and like, some scripts to put stats on a web page |
| 18:28.28 | unum | I was wondering if someone had already done all that work for me :) |
| 18:28.53 | jlp_znc | doesn't ntop do something like that? |
| 18:30.15 | unum | I think what I need to do is pcap to an rdbms then just cleary it periodically |
| 18:30.23 | unum | does that sound weird or is that common |
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| 18:40.48 | unum | if someone report spotty audio it would be nice to be able to pull up a page that shows all three entrance and exit points |
| 18:41.32 | unum | I'm probably wanting this to be easier than is realistic |
| 19:05.13 | joshh | eiecccevhennbikulvttlihlthitrdrebbjfccjevhnl |
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| 19:06.30 | shalkie | jlp_znc: They are on the mount and not on the wiper. |
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| 19:24.16 | jlp_znc | well, that's pretty much the same thing. they move with the wiper blade |
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| 19:24.57 | jlp_znc | it's much better than having jets mounted on the hood that squirt in the general direction of the window (and miss, depending on how fast or slow you are going) |
| 19:25.53 | jlp_znc | I liked the crysler innovation that put little slidey things on the sun visors so you could make them a bit longer. |
| 19:26.28 | jlp_znc | but GM's solution for that is pretty good. the whole visor slides back and forth now (at least on the 2014 equinox we rented a few months ago). |
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| 19:50.58 | keldwud | had our interview with CPS and a plain clothes detective this morning. went pretty well. They have a really cool center to do that stuff in. It's a normal looking house and they have an onsite nurse for examinations and such. The front room feels like a living room in a home. I like how they do that. Very subtle to remove all the clinical and "official" feeling type stuff from the experience and make it more natural for the kid. |
| 19:51.35 | jima | wow. |
| 19:53.02 | keldwud | they interviewed me, then interviewed my daughter, gave me a packet of support materials. the detective will be interviewing the karate instructor. |
| 19:53.09 | keldwud | later today |
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| 19:53.54 | jima | oh boy |
| 19:54.17 | programmerq | keldwud: glad you found a path forward |
| 19:54.45 | RyanE | yeah, best of luck with the process. |
| 19:54.58 | RyanE | and congrats on choosing to confront the issue, instead of just letting it slide. |
| 19:55.27 | jima | no kidding. seems like this could be going a lot worse. |
| 19:56.36 | keldwud | oh I wasn't ever going to let it slide, I was just being slow and deliberate |
| 19:56.51 | keldwud | during the initial discovery, I definitely did not want to jump to conclusions |
| 19:57.02 | keldwud | and wanted to make sure I had a clear head before I did anything |
| 19:57.52 | keldwud | during the initial discovery, I definitely expressed a discomfort and fear about moving forward, but I wasn't going to let it stop me, I just needed to externalize my fears about moving forward |
| 19:58.10 | keldwud | since it's just me and my daughter, I have to externalize to strangers on the internets. |
| 19:58.19 | RyanE | heh |
| 19:58.24 | keldwud | well *kind* of strangers :) |
| 19:58.29 | RyanE | that's what we're here for. Well, that and the LULz |
| 19:58.34 | keldwud | not quite strangers and not quite RL friends |
| 19:58.41 | keldwud | somewhere on the spectrum in between those two |
| 19:58.42 | jsmith | keldwud: But we're the best kind of strangers :-) |
| 19:58.45 | keldwud | yup |
| 19:58.48 | keldwud | internet friends are the best |
| 19:58.53 | RyanE | yeah, the kind who would maybe loan you tools. |
| 19:58.57 | keldwud | I tell that to people all the time but they never believe me |
| 19:59.15 | keldwud | they think internet friends == axe murderers |
| 19:59.22 | RyanE | can't we be both? |
| 19:59.23 | keldwud | because that's the only rational explanation |
| 19:59.25 | keldwud | hah |
| 19:59.49 | keldwud | true, can't be an effective axe murderer if you can't befriend people and gain their trust, right? :) |
| 20:00.01 | RyanE | he's on to us! |
| 20:00.13 | keldwud | in other news, I totally choked on my demandware interview |
| 20:00.39 | RyanE | hates interviews. |
| 20:00.42 | keldwud | I left the impression with the hiring manager that I am inexperienced and don't know how to manage linux |
| 20:00.46 | keldwud | oh I hate interviews, too |
| 20:00.56 | keldwud | I wish I could just do demonstrative interviews |
| 20:01.04 | keldwud | I mean, we live in a day and age where that is completely possible |
| 20:01.16 | RyanE | before this job, I'd never gotten a job I interviewed for, and never interviewed for the jobs I'd gotten. |
| 20:01.31 | RyanE | this one the interviews weren't bad because I seriously did not need the job. :) |
| 20:01.34 | keldwud | I don't know why we continue to base a person's skill set on how well they can sell themselves through the spoken word only |
| 20:01.37 | RyanE | takes the pressure off. |
| 20:02.06 | keldwud | I think I made it to the second round with sling, they called me this morning and wanted to make sure I was still available |
| 20:02.53 | jima | keldwud: awesome! good luck with that too. |
| 20:03.16 | jima | i apparently have interacted with one guy who's there now, although i don't know him all that well |
| 20:03.17 | voldemortensen | One of the interview questions for my current position was "Write a regex to match an email address (doesn't need to be to RFC standard)." |
| 20:03.32 | voldemortensen | I like interviews like that. |
| 20:03.33 | jima | tedp, not sure if anyone else knows him |
| 20:03.59 | RyanE | I just figured out my PTO for the rest of the year. I'm not working any more Thursdays or Fridays. According to Jeb!, I'm working French Weeks! http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34720806 |
| 20:04.49 | fungus | keldwud, there is more to hiring/interviews than just skill-set. Personality, team-fit, etc. Those more subjective measures are better tested via interview. |
| 20:04.55 | jima | jokes like those apply to more EU countries than just france. |
| 20:07.58 | programmerq | keldwud: when I interview someone, I essentially sit them down and ask them to work on problems |
| 20:08.11 | keldwud | oh yeah, personality |
| 20:08.11 | programmerq | I try to have a bunch of stuff on hand for varying skill levels |
| 20:08.20 | keldwud | I fail that one in *spades* during interviews |
| 20:08.29 | keldwud | because I just can't be myself no matter how hard I try |
| 20:08.35 | keldwud | or practice |
| 20:08.38 | programmerq | I try to base the problems on real things that I/my team does. |
| 20:09.10 | programmerq | and I try to make the interviewee feel comfortable. I'll make small talk and say "For the purposes of this interview, we are coworkeers while we work on this problem" |
| 20:09.28 | programmerq | I generally want them to get "stuck" and then google or ask me if I know wtf is up. |
| 20:09.34 | programmerq | sometimes I do and sometimes I don't |
| 20:09.38 | programmerq | it works out really well. |
| 20:09.44 | keldwud | I would pass interviews if we could go out for drinks and work on computers at the same time |
| 20:09.47 | keldwud | :) |
| 20:10.07 | keldwud | like, take a laptop with us to the bar, order lunch and a couple drinks |
| 20:10.22 | keldwud | that's my ideal interview that I think I would pass almost every time |
| 20:13.01 | joshh | no laptop, only lunch and drinks |
| 20:13.44 | keldwud | and a notepad? |
| 20:13.49 | keldwud | with a pencil? |
| 20:13.53 | keldwud | or just lunch and drinks |
| 20:13.58 | joshh | ya, that |
| 20:14.00 | keldwud | lunch and drinks sounds good right now |
| 20:14.14 | keldwud | and relaxing |
| 20:14.23 | keldwud | anybody down for lunch and drinks in the provo area? |
| 20:14.35 | keldwud | I know, you're all in draper or SLC or Lehi |
| 20:14.37 | joshh | they have drinks there? |
| 20:14.41 | keldwud | lol |
| 20:14.46 | keldwud | that joke never gets old ;) |
| 20:15.09 | joshh | correct |
| 20:15.17 | joshh | also it's only halfway a joke |
| 20:15.33 | joshh | which makes it better |
| 20:15.46 | jima | don't badmouth half-jokes, a couple of them got me this job. |
| 20:15.51 | jima | ...and relocated to utah. |
| 20:16.09 | joshh | heh |
| 20:16.20 | jima | (granted, some would consider the "and relocated to utah" badmouthing half-jokes) |
| 20:16.57 | joshh | utah is great as long as you don't care about good beer on tap |
| 20:17.12 | joshh | or having it cheap and at the store |
| 20:17.46 | keldwud | whaaaat? |
| 20:17.47 | keldwud | lies |
| 20:17.55 | keldwud | good beer on tap in *lots* of places |
| 20:18.23 | joshh | the same 20 4% local beers at every bar gets old |
| 20:18.35 | keldwud | oh you mean out of state good beers |
| 20:18.50 | joshh | utah basically ONLY has utah beer on tap, with a handful of others |
| 20:18.57 | keldwud | cutthroat? :) |
| 20:19.03 | keldwud | I know that's on tap everywhere |
| 20:19.37 | keldwud | the others are usually domestics like bud and blue moon and such |
| 20:19.52 | joshh | ya, the watery versions of those, no thanks |
| 20:20.50 | joshh | and there are tons of beers that the DABC doesn't carry that you can't legally get in the state unless you go have a bottle at one of the 3-4 "good" beer bars in slc when they can somehow successfully get a special order to go through |
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| 20:21.47 | joshh | they say oklahoma might get rid of their 3.2 beer next year, which would get the big breweries to push the rest of the states that have it hard to change |
| 20:22.12 | jima | i like beer, but i'm not a beer snob, so it's ok. ;-) |
| 20:22.26 | joshh | the utah beer blog guy thinks the state will end up raising the non-liquor store limit to something higher like 5%, then take away some other freedom in exchange |
| 20:22.34 | joshh | which sounds fairly likely imo |
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| 20:26.19 | keldwud | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-alcohol_beer |
| 20:27.08 | keldwud | At relatively low ABV, the alcohol percentage by weight is about 4/5 of the ABV (e.g., 3.2% ABW is about 4% ABV) |
| 20:27.24 | keldwud | there is virtually no difference between 3.4% by weight and 4% by volume. |
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| 20:28.40 | keldwud | I used to not be a beer snob, but my brother in law brought over a 12 pack of pabst the other night and I used to drink it ALL the time |
| 20:28.43 | keldwud | so I was excited |
| 20:29.03 | keldwud | cracked one open and realized that was some of the grossest stuff I could drink |
| 20:29.04 | keldwud | ew |
| 20:29.29 | keldwud | it had been a few years since I drank cheaper beer, can't believe that's what I used to drink all the time |
| 20:29.33 | keldwud | now I'm a full fledged beer snob |
| 20:30.28 | joshh | the amount of alcohol itself isn't the whole point, although it does make certain styles taste worse |
| 20:30.42 | joshh | its that the law really limits the selection available |
| 20:30.52 | programmerq | that moment when you google something, and the top 5 results are materials from eightyeight |
| 20:31.09 | joshh | ya that happens |
| 20:31.15 | eightyeight | uh oh |
| 20:31.49 | keldwud | programmerq, hah. what'd you google? |
| 20:31.50 | programmerq | https://www.google.com/webhp?q=raidz%20zfs%20visualization%20tool |
| 20:31.53 | jima | keldwud: i wouldn't equate having standards to being a beer snob. |
| 20:32.03 | keldwud | jima, thank you :) |
| 20:32.35 | programmerq | basically i want to build a new NAS, like the idea of ZFS, but feel like I'm a little bit too in the dark to go out and drop the cash on a build. |
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| 20:32.58 | programmerq | basically I want a system that can eventually take 12 different drives, but start with random smaller drives I have now |
| 20:33.14 | goozbach | RyanE: I just spit-taked at "can't we be both?" |
| 20:33.21 | goozbach | you owe me a new keyboard |
| 20:33.24 | programmerq | I'm under the impression that zfs can fit the bill, but haven't actually done that. |
| 20:33.49 | RyanE | woo! |
| 20:33.50 | keldwud | goozbach, you axe murderer |
| 20:34.02 | keldwud | so I had an idea yesterday after I walked out of my interview. I realized I should make videos of me performing some sort of system administration task and then post it online into a portfolio. |
| 20:34.28 | RyanE | keldwud: If they were tutorial-based, that'd be a good idea, and helpful to newbies as well. |
| 20:34.34 | keldwud | like one video for setting up a single node, or another video setting up apache and serving some content |
| 20:34.34 | eightyeight | programmerq: hmm. you could do that, but i wouldn't recommend it |
| 20:34.44 | eightyeight | programmerq: zfs isn't very flexible when it comes to that |
| 20:34.59 | goozbach | ohh keldwud I'd be down for that if I didn't have a meeting at 2 |
| 20:35.02 | keldwud | and another video setting up dns |
| 20:35.05 | jima | i agree with the commentary about internet friends, the first time i met youtah irl, i came over to help him move...uh, furniture. |
| 20:35.10 | keldwud | goozbach, lunch and drinks? |
| 20:35.18 | keldwud | I'm guessing you're still going through the backlog |
| 20:35.34 | keldwud | make the meeting happen at the restaurant where we have lunch and drinks :) |
| 20:35.46 | keldwud | tell them the meeting location has changed |
| 20:36.23 | jima | keldwud: and that there's going to be a consultant whose meal needs to be paid for? |
| 20:36.37 | keldwud | what jima said! |
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| 20:36.54 | keldwud | I get to drink during the day because I work graveyards, don't work many hours this week, and have a perfectly valid stressful situation to justify drinking |
| 20:36.55 | goozbach | programmerq: etherdrive system with btrfs or zfs |
| 20:37.15 | goozbach | keldwud: yeah lunch and drinks |
| 20:37.41 | keldwud | I'd have to either ride my bike or take the bus to the restaurant, tho |
| 20:37.47 | keldwud | I'd plan on getting a good buzz |
| 20:38.32 | keldwud | I did that with my previous bosses, they offered to drive us to lunch so I took that as an opportunity to have 3 or 4 drinks since I didn't have to drive or operate heavy machinery. Just a keyboard. |
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| 20:42.43 | programmerq | goozbach: this is for home use, and I'm hoping that I can build a system without drives for around $800.00 |
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| 20:42.53 | goozbach | ahh |
| 20:43.00 | goozbach | good luck |
| 20:43.39 | programmerq | http://www.amazon.com/gp/registry/wishlist/2U8JZW9S19AW5/ref=cm_wl_list_o_8? - this is the system parts I have picked out. |
| 20:43.48 | programmerq | I'd get 2-3 of those 4tb drives to start |
| 20:43.53 | keldwud | maybe I'll go drink at the movie theater, that's always fun |
| 20:44.04 | programmerq | and then I have a few various drives laying around that are anywhere from 500gb to 2tb that I'd use |
| 20:44.12 | programmerq | over time, I'll get more 4tb drives |
| 20:44.29 | programmerq | the idea being that eventually, I'll end up with 12 4tb drives |
| 20:44.36 | programmerq | or maybe I'll switch to 6tb once they are cheaper |
| 20:44.45 | programmerq | but mixing disks like that can be... problematic. |
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| 20:45.18 | programmerq | my netgear readynas let me do essentially that. I started my volume out as I think 3 750 gb drives |
| 20:45.31 | programmerq | and then I replaced them one by one with larger drives until I hit the devices limit at 4 2tb drives |
| 20:56.26 | keldwud | good news, looks like I didn't choke as much as I thought I did at demandware, they're gonna try and make a different position for me |
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| 21:42.02 | RyanE | nice |
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| 21:48.02 | jima | wow, nice |
| 21:56.18 | jalbretsen | awesome |
| 21:58.19 | jalbretsen | keldwud: Was I supposed to accept the LinkedIn invite to Demandware HR in order to get an interview? I'm pretty picky about who I accept at LinkedIn. I have to be able to know them well enough to write an honest recommend (or well enough to know if someone asks, I won't recommend them) |
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| 23:13.52 | jlp_znc | on the Murray Utopia front... the mayor just called me! He is poking and prodding them to find out actual factual dates for deployments in my area. How about that? |
| 23:14.10 | asoc | jlp_znc: NICE!!!! |
| 23:14.34 | asoc | let us know if you hear any details on his findings. |
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