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| 07:49.49 | Wegg | #first |
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| 16:35.56 | jalbretsen | Actual tech question..... so say you have SSL certs for hippo.example.com and elephant.example.com. Then it is decided it might be nice to have a wildcard cert for example.com for various projects that happen. Is there anything I need to be aware of with that? With a wildcard cert, could I effectively use it OR hippo.example.com on the web site that DNS points to hippo.example.com? |
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| 16:37.13 | fungus | Yes, both certs would match that name. |
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| 16:38.03 | fungus | with a wildcard cert, you can effectively abandon any other certs on that domain. |
| 16:42.26 | jalbretsen | right, although I see that EV SSL is not done with wildcards. |
| 16:44.32 | eightyeight | you'd have to complain to the CA/Browser forum about that one |
| 16:44.42 | eightyeight | https://cabforum.org/extended-validation/ |
| 16:45.34 | jalbretsen | heh |
| 16:46.48 | jalbretsen | I'm seeing many opinions on if EV is actually worth it |
| 16:46.56 | jalbretsen | Green is a nice color though |
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| 17:03.43 | programmerq | personally, I wouldn't do EV unless I had a business requirement that mandated it. |
| 17:04.01 | programmerq | although, I do see they can be had for a lot less than I thought |
| 17:04.14 | programmerq | $99/yr - https://ssl.comodo.com/ev-ssl-certificates.php |
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| 19:08.12 | asoc | http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Programming_fabec0_5062257.png |
| 19:30.08 | goozbach | ls |
| 19:30.10 | goozbach | doh |
| 19:30.25 | jfindlay | command not found |
| 19:37.21 | jfindlay | so, it seems that the latest gimmickry in website annoy UI is to put in what I'll call a wave spot enticing users to click upon it |
| 19:37.59 | jfindlay | entice/repulse/whatever. That's what you get when you have hipster monkeys designing things, I guess |
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| 21:15.27 | jlp_znc | ? what does it do? flash at you or something? |
| 21:15.44 | jfindlay | it looks like when you drop a rock in a pond |
| 21:15.54 | jfindlay | every second |
| 21:15.59 | jlp_znc | oh, so it ripples to attract your attention to something? |
| 21:16.01 | jfindlay | ceaselessly |
| 21:16.02 | jlp_znc | that's heinous. |
| 21:16.50 | jfindlay | I'm still deciding if it's better or worse than the mandatory, patronizing dialogs, "Hey, new! <I'll Buy That>" |
| 21:17.34 | jlp_znc | if it did it once, like, on page load, then it would be a little less heinous. still annoying, but not vomit inducing. |
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| 21:23.43 | sjansen | I assume everyone has already heard the news? Satan is learning to ice skate. |
| 21:23.58 | sjansen | http://developerblog.redhat.com/2015/11/04/red-hat-microsoft-making-dot-net-on-linux-for-enterprises/ |
| 21:24.11 | jfindlay | meh |
| 21:24.13 | jfindlay | :) |
| 21:26.23 | goozbach | sjansen: not surprising |
| 21:26.37 | goozbach | microsoft has been subbmitting patches to linux for years |
| 21:29.08 | sjansen | I dunno, I think it's at least a little bit surprising. |
| 21:29.27 | goozbach | ok slightly surprising |
| 21:30.02 | sjansen | Fifteen years ago I predicted the Microsoft of today, but never in my wildest imagination did I go as far as MS and RH supporting .Net on RHEL. |
| 21:31.01 | joshh | why does anyone care about .net |
| 21:31.09 | joshh | i don't get it |
| 21:31.46 | sjansen | Because C# is nicer than Java. F# is nicer than ocaml. And a metric crap ton of corporate code is written for the CLR. |
| 21:35.08 | jfindlay | what's nicer than Mozart/Eiffel? |
| 21:35.25 | joshh | doesn't using windows negate the benefits though? |
| 21:39.43 | eightyeight | i see satan iceskating more before RH supporting .net, than MS supporting RH |
| 21:39.58 | eightyeight | RH's fear of mono has always been entertaining |
| 21:40.18 | eightyeight | s/before/because/ |
| 21:42.17 | eightyeight | the Microsoft now is very different from the Microsoft 15 years though. i agree. |
| 21:43.17 | eightyeight | still a lot of historical bureoucratic baggage that keeps them from being "agile" though |
| 21:46.12 | programmerq | sjansen: yeah, microsoft is really turning over a new leaf. |
| 21:46.37 | programmerq | I talked to a microsoft guy that said the dude that wrote the windows plug-n-play stack back in the day is now a linux kernel dev |
| 21:50.07 | sjansen | eightyeight: Agreed. The RH part was more shocking for me too. In retrospect, it's obvious that RH's hatred of Mono was because of mistrust of MS not dislike for .Net |
| 21:50.38 | eightyeight | yeah |
| 21:51.07 | eightyeight | i think the fears were well founded |
| 21:51.09 | eightyeight | but |
| 21:51.25 | eightyeight | will microsoft continue with the patent agreements they made with novell, etc.? |
| 21:51.54 | romanovic | Seeing TFS's support for Git and VS2015's support for a lot of cool front-end tools (Node, grunt/gulp, bower, etc) is also exciting (for those of us stuck working in an MS stronghold) |
| 21:52.23 | romanovic | We're having a drawn out battle getting these things adopted where I work, though. |
| 21:53.00 | eightyeight | wait. when did micro focus acquire attachmate? |
| 21:53.02 | eightyeight | geez |
| 21:53.51 | eightyeight | next thing you know, xinuos will acquire micro focus |
| 21:54.07 | eightyeight | and ralph yarrow will be laughing all the way to the bank |
| 21:57.56 | jalbretsen | sjansen: You said CLR, and my mind immediately thought of the future tech on the syfy show Continuum. |
| 22:08.45 | joshh | i thought of the cleaning chemical |
| 22:09.22 | jsmith | sjansen: And fifteen years ago, I never imagined you'd only be making rare appearances on IRC to complement MS and RH working together on .net :-p |
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| 22:23.32 | eightyeight | jsmith: he has a mac now. he's too cool for us. :) |
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| 22:42.36 | jfindlay | now that's a satan-skating event |
| 22:43.52 | sjansen | I have a Mac too. But then, I also did 15 years ago. Just that little decade in the middle where I didn't. |
| 22:44.41 | sjansen | I also have a Thinkpad because I missed GNOME so much. |
| 22:46.35 | sjansen | Let's see... MacBook Pro (work) MacBook Air (personal) Mac mini (personal) Thinkpad (sanity) |
| 22:46.58 | sjansen | Yup, I'm too cool for you eightyeight ;-) |
| 22:46.59 | levi | Heh. |
| 22:47.15 | jfindlay | ~dell sjansen |
| 22:47.16 | infobot | Dude! sjansen's getting a dell! |
| 22:47.46 | eightyeight | sjansen: i hear there are tiling window managers for os x |
| 22:47.48 | levi | I have a MacBook Pro (work), 2 thinkpads (work), and various ancient self-built windows and linux machines at home. |
| 22:48.02 | sjansen | eightyeight: Yeah, but they all suck :( |
| 22:48.22 | eightyeight | that's too bad |
| 22:48.49 | levi | The default OS X window management isn't too bad these days. |
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| 23:08.31 | jalbretsen | I remember about 5 years ago I visited sjansen at work and I had a Macbook Pro. He scoffed and asked if I was one of "those people" now. |
| 23:09.00 | sjansen | Sounds like something I'd do. |
| 23:09.35 | jalbretsen | Then I showed him it was from work and I had attempted to put Fedora on it |
| 23:10.39 | jalbretsen | that's about the same time I looked at my CTO and said next time someone needs a Macbook Pro, they can have mine and I want to order something I want. It worked. |
| 23:17.06 | levi | My Thinkpad is an okay machine, except for its tiny, low-res screen. |
| 23:17.59 | jlp_znc | why would anyone want a tiling window manager? |
| 23:18.38 | joshh | i simply can't handle a non-retina screen these days |
| 23:18.47 | jlp_znc | I would, however, love to be able to make an application active (i.e. have the focus) without bringing it to the top of the window stack. that is the main thing I hate about OS X's window management. |
| 23:19.50 | levi | I like tiling window managers for some things. They're easy to drive from the keyboard and they keep my text windows from overlapping and obscuring one another. |
| 23:20.40 | joshh | what windows do you need besides chrome and iterm |
| 23:20.49 | joshh | and spotify i guess |
| 23:21.09 | levi | And they usually make it easier to get rid of all the stupid borders and bars and crap that take up screen real-estate. |
| 23:21.44 | levi | Gnome's title bars are obnoxiously large. |
| 23:21.47 | eightyeight | i love my T61 |
| 23:21.57 | eightyeight | 8 years old, and sailing along just fine |
| 23:22.03 | eightyeight | almost 9 |
| 23:22.21 | joshh | is still your main one? |
| 23:22.25 | eightyeight | joshh: yeah |
| 23:22.28 | eightyeight | my only one |
| 23:22.41 | eightyeight | well, i do have an hp mini 110 i use for oncall stuffs |
| 23:22.50 | joshh | i believe it performs fine, but modern screens are just too good |
| 23:23.08 | sjansen | My T61p finally started to show its age about a year ago. |
| 23:23.18 | sjansen | I doubt I'll ever love another laptop as much again. |
| 23:23.27 | eightyeight | i have replaced the cpu fan and keyboard. and upgraded the ram and main drive. |
| 23:23.41 | eightyeight | the CFL is dimming, so it's about time i replace that as well |
| 23:23.54 | eightyeight | sjansen: it will be a sad day when it dies. :( |
| 23:24.09 | eightyeight | it's been a fantastic piece of hardware |
| 23:24.34 | eightyeight | levi: that is why i prefer tiling window managers |
| 23:24.56 | eightyeight | all the title bars, widgets, etc. just get in the way, and take up valuable screen real estate |
| 23:25.04 | levi | I've got a W500 and an X230. The W500 is too big/heavy and the backlight is failing, and the X230 has the crappy screen. |
| 23:25.15 | eightyeight | dwm on my mini 110, and awesome on my laptop/workstation |
| 23:27.22 | eightyeight | i made the switch when gnome shell became a thing |
| 23:27.30 | eightyeight | haven't looked back |
| 23:27.32 | eightyeight | heh |
| 23:28.01 | sjansen | GNOME 3.0 was... not ready. But it's pretty sweet these days. |
| 23:28.07 | levi | I rather like gnome shell now. |
| 23:28.08 | sjansen | Although the title bars are stupid big. |
| 23:28.23 | levi | Usually the title bar goes away when you full-screen something. |
| 23:28.34 | joshh | sjansen: have you used linux natively on an mbp? |
| 23:29.07 | joshh | or anyone |
| 23:29.16 | joshh | im still thinking about trying it but assuming suspend and stuff is awful |
| 23:29.21 | sjansen | Not since ~2001 |
| 23:29.29 | levi | And you can actually hack the XML files for the window decorations to make the title bar disappear when you maximize. I gave up on that after a while, though, as upgrades would overwrite my hack and I'd have to remember how to do it. |
| 23:29.51 | eightyeight | i've gotten too grumpy to h4x0rz the configs these days |
| 23:30.25 | eightyeight | with that said, i've seen some sweet setups, because careful time has been spent configing |
| 23:30.26 | sjansen | eightyeight: Good... Good... Let the hate flow through you. |
| 23:31.04 | levi | joshh: Battery life probably suffers in Linux if you aren't careful with your setup. |
| 23:31.11 | eightyeight | ^ this |
| 23:31.28 | levi | Apple puts a lot of software engineering work into battery life on their products. |
| 23:31.30 | eightyeight | that's probably where i've spent most time with my mini 110 |
| 23:31.37 | joshh | actually ya, i think you have to use the nvidia only with linux or something |
| 23:31.42 | levi | Not to mention the hardware engineering work they do on it. |
| 23:31.48 | jalbretsen | joshh: I tried it in 2011.... worked about 80% |
| 23:31.48 | joshh | iirc there were like 3 things that seemed like a big deal last time i read about it |
| 23:31.55 | jalbretsen | sound was flakey |
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| 23:41.49 | sjansen | In other news, I'm not entirely happy about how good I've gotten at typing `openssl x509 -in ... -text` |
| 23:54.36 | levi | What are you doing that for? |
| 23:57.11 | sjansen | debugging openldap compiled w/ gnutls (silly debian) |
| 23:57.55 | levi | Heh. |
| 23:58.28 | levi | It looked familiar to some stuff I had to do to get the built-in VPN stuff to work with my company's VPN. |
