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| 02:31.41 | unum | eightyeight: are you working on the challange? |
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| 16:53.54 | unum | what are people using for virtual machines for their servers? |
| 16:58.02 | Tod-Work | kvm |
| 16:58.15 | Tod-Work | my personal server uses HyperV though >.> |
| 16:58.50 | Tod-Work | I have some legacy esxi boxes, but I would never do it that way currently. KVM or Docker containers |
| 16:59.06 | unum | I'm trying to figure out how to get good at upgrades |
| 16:59.27 | unum | virtual machines seem like a good idea because it gives up snapshots |
| 17:00.22 | Tod-Work | it can |
| 17:00.31 | unum | s/up/us |
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| 17:00.44 | Tod-Work | doing good upgrades is dependent on good architecture |
| 17:01.34 | Tod-Work | if your architecture doesn't really allow for instant switching, you're really just mitigating downtime with atomic changes you can roll back from start to finish, or you just can't do anything I'd call "good" |
| 17:02.09 | unum | I'm mostly looking at asterisk systems |
| 17:02.36 | unum | so I have a couple dozen servers |
| 17:02.41 | unum | about half our linux systems |
| 17:02.51 | unum | 2 run web apps |
| 17:02.59 | unum | 4 run file servers |
| 17:03.16 | unum | 4 run network services |
| 17:03.26 | unum | there are some over laps |
| 17:03.55 | unum | one database server plus back up |
| 17:04.32 | jima | i've used xen and kvm at home, xen at my old job, esxi at my current (for now) |
| 17:05.21 | unum | we don't really have redundancy and I don't know if our business case demands that |
| 17:05.52 | unum | so using snapshots to mitigate own time may be the best |
| 17:13.01 | eightyeight | unum: you can do KVM on LVM block storage devices |
| 17:13.08 | eightyeight | then do an LVM snapshot |
| 17:13.20 | eightyeight | or, ZFS ZVOLs, and snapshot those |
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| 17:24.30 | jlp_znc | take a look at proxmox. it uses kvm (and containers) and gives you a really slick UI for managing things. |
| 17:25.00 | jlp_znc | also supports clustering and ceph storage if you want (not required). |
| 17:25.51 | programmerq | proxmox does look neat. I keep hearing good things about it. |
| 17:26.06 | programmerq | it looks like it's kind of a step between virtualbox and openstack? |
| 17:26.26 | jlp_znc | yeah, kind of. closer to openstack than virtualbox, I would say. |
| 17:27.04 | jlp_znc | I used it heavily at fusion-io. had a cluster with five servers handling 80 or so VMs for various things. |
| 17:27.31 | programmerq | I want something that has a remote API, lets me spin up VMs that are just on the same network as the VM host, and generally works out of the box. the free edition of vmware esxi doesn't let me do remote API stuff without their windows-only client. |
| 17:27.33 | unum | I guess that really is the way to go now |
| 17:27.37 | programmerq | I get a nasty message that says it isn't allowed. |
| 17:27.53 | jlp_znc | the only thing it didn't do automatically was balance load by moving VMs around (you could move them manually and they would move automatically if there was a failure of a node and the VM was set for HA) |
| 17:27.59 | unum | build a cluster and virtulize how these random services |
| 17:28.13 | programmerq | but openstack wants to do aws style networking. it appears to be possible to get openstack to do networking in bridge mode, but there are so many pieces its frustrating trying to figure them all out at once. |
| 17:29.35 | jlp_znc | proxmox uses bridged networking by default, but also supports vlans and vpn tunnels. |
| 17:29.54 | jlp_znc | plus it runs on a standard linux environment, so you can do stuff under the covers, too. |
| 17:31.15 | jlp_znc | I don't know about any API, though... never got into that. I did have scripts that would provision a new VM with minimal operator interaction (i.e., you pass in the name and it would clone a master VM, modify it in place to have some custom configurations set, allocate storage, etc. and then fire it up) |
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| 17:39.23 | jalbretsen | Another count for KVM |
| 17:45.30 | jima | programmerq: allegedly libvirt supports esxi as a hypervisor, but i've never managed to get it to work (possibly because all of my esxi at work are behind vcenter) |
| 17:46.53 | jlp_znc | https://www.quora.com/How-would-the-U-S-military-deal-with-Godzilla/answer/Shyaporn-Theerakulstit |
| 17:50.57 | programmerq | my guess is that the libvirt esxi driver would require the APIs that I'm not allowed to use. |
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| 17:52.08 | programmerq | jalbretsen: kvm on its own doesn't have an API nor a networking strategy. libvirt+kvm, proxmox+kvm, and openstack+kvm are all different options that provide varying levels of features on top of kvm. |
| 17:52.18 | programmerq | but yes, I will likely find my favorite solution that utilizes kvm. |
| 17:53.04 | jalbretsen | right. libvirt+kvm then |
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| 19:19.11 | shalkie | I tend to work with libvirt and that interfaces with KVM+QEMU |
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| 19:20.41 | jfindlay | I like libvirt |
| 19:52.46 | jalbretsen | it's worked well for us, a welcome step up from VMWare Server 2 back when I first started |
| 20:04.07 | jlp_znc | http://xkcd.com/1597/ <- the truth about git. |
| 20:09.05 | jlp_znc | Ugh. I just got an e-mail from Mindfire Technology. they are looking for ".Net Developer", "MEAN Stack Developer", or "PHP Developer". |
| 20:09.22 | jlp_znc | MEAN doesn't sound too bad, but .Net and/or PHP? Uhm, no. |
| 20:14.26 | romanovic | jlp_znc: haha. that xkcd more or less describes my success in getting others to adopt git |
| 20:15.21 | romanovic | "now, how do we get our new changes into the central repository again? you know what, I give up, let's copy/paste this into a new SVN repository" |
| 20:16.42 | jalbretsen | jlp_znc: My favorite recently with someone that called, I was asked what I was interested in, so I talked about Linux. They asked about Windows and I said I'm not interested in working with Windows. Then we moved on to scripting and I talked about Bash and Python. Next he asked: "What about PowerShell?" |
| 20:18.23 | romanovic | jalbretsen: did you tell him you are proficient in a special advanced version of powershell? called "IronPython"? |
| 20:18.45 | jalbretsen | ROFL |
| 20:18.52 | jalbretsen | I'll remember that for next time |
| 20:32.16 | Jayce-work | we just set up "blink" playing on the overhead tv in our area, right before the employees kids come office trick-or-treating :) |
| 20:34.04 | programmerq | Jayce-work: the security camera thing? |
| 20:34.34 | Jayce-work | that's a later one with the angels.. blink was the first one |
| 20:39.14 | jlp_znc | you'll have to be more specific on what "blink" is |
| 20:39.58 | Jayce-work | the Dr. Who "Weeping Angel" episode |
| 20:40.05 | jlp_znc | oh, okay |
| 20:40.11 | jlp_znc | that was a good one. freaked me out. |
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| 20:51.13 | Tod-Work | jlp_znc, MEAN sounds good? What is wrong with you? |
| 21:15.37 | jalbretsen | Jayce-work: The angels have the phonebox |
| 21:25.47 | jlp_znc | well, by "good" I mean "somewhat interesting" |
| 21:26.07 | jlp_znc | not for me, as I know beans about javascript, but it's better than PHP or .Net. |
| 21:28.56 | jlp_znc | and I didn't say it sounded "good"... I said it wasn't "too bad". |
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| 22:27.21 | Tod-Work | jlp_znc, fair, I thought "good" was implied. |
| 22:32.36 | jlp_znc | scale: really good > good > okay > not okay > bad > too bad. "not too bad" could land anywhere left of "too bad" on the scale. :-) |
| 22:36.24 | Tod-Work | Anything Mongo or Node is 'throwaway prototype' to me, so context alone decides if it's OK or not, but usually not. |
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