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| 14:47.23 | unum | finally finished my server move, I kept forgetting to move one last application over |
| 14:56.10 | unum | now back to writing api tests |
| 14:57.16 | unum | and waiting for other people to show up to test the partial fedora mirrors I set up on their networks |
| 14:57.37 | unum | I noticed some of our computer a wake on lan, boot to network option in the bios |
| 14:57.53 | unum | that sounds dangerous, I think I'll use it |
| 14:58.32 | unum | I just have to make sure I switch the default to local boot when I'm not doing a full upgrade |
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| 15:52.17 | jfindlay | a mirror to look at fedoras with? |
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| 15:59.28 | jlp_znc | we used to use that wake on lan thing at Regence. your desktop would go to sleep after some period of inactivity and if you needed to do anything remotely, you would use your laptop, connect to the vpn, and try to rdp into your desktop. it would send the wakeup packet a few times, then let you connect. |
| 16:05.41 | jlp_znc | http://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1186364-quiz-what-s-your-linux-personality |
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| 16:59.37 | joshh | i've never had sleep enabled for any desktop |
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| 17:06.51 | programmerq | I have sleep enabled for dedicated gaming PCs. that's about it. |
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| 17:10.39 | jlp_znc | we were not allowed to change the settings on those machines. |
| 17:12.02 | joshh | i've also never had a desktop or laptop that any IT people have controlled |
| 17:12.12 | programmerq | I did at bluehost. |
| 17:12.14 | joshh | although they've bugged me about not having casper setup on laptops at places |
| 17:12.29 | programmerq | anything I wanted to install I just installed into my home directory. |
| 17:12.38 | programmerq | I was probably the only one not running gnome. :p |
| 17:13.14 | jlp_znc | at Regence, I was a "Unix Systems Administrator". This meant that I was not allowed to unbox or rack equipment (even Unix equipment), nor was I allowed to plug anything into any equipment. |
| 17:13.15 | joshh | all the jobs i've had they've left linux alone, usually controlled the windows stuff for finance and all that, and recent places have pushed casper for mac laptops |
| 17:13.43 | jlp_znc | only the data center admins could plug in, e.g. power or console cables, and only the network admins could plug in network cables. |
| 17:14.14 | joshh | did it lead to well done cabling? |
| 17:14.21 | jlp_znc | it did |
| 17:14.59 | jlp_znc | but the network guys only worked monday through thursday (ten hour days) so if you needed something done on the weekend, and you couldn't make a case for the oncall guy to come in, then you just waited until monday. |
| 17:15.19 | jlp_znc | also, everything you did had to be approved by about nine different people. |
| 17:15.52 | jlp_znc | for example, let's say you were going to upgrade a machine to new hardware (every machine was on a three year replacement cycle... these were IBM p-series boxes primarily, but some Sun gear as well). |
| 17:16.21 | joshh | after experience all sorts of policies for physical touching and plugging, and seeing the effects on quality, im all for having dedicated wiring/siteops teams |
| 17:16.41 | joshh | but ya that place sounds problematic |
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| 17:17.30 | jlp_znc | you started by putting in a remedy ticket to do the replacement. you had to have data center admin approve (and assign) the location for the new box. you had to have DNS approve (and provision) the temporary IP addresses. you had to have networking approve and provision the physical network connections. you had to have storage approve and provision the SAN for temporary storage in use during the installation (and networking had to handle conne |
| 17:18.00 | jlp_znc | then you had to have the application stake holders all approve it, with typically separate approvals for dev, test, and production environments. |
| 17:18.47 | jlp_znc | and, since these machines were all virtualized (with several virtual environments running on each box) you had to go through this for all of the services that were running in each virtual environment (I don't remember what IBM called their virtualization mechanism) |
| 17:19.06 | jlp_znc | once you had all of the approvals in place, then you could start the work (by ordering the new machine). |
| 17:19.36 | jlp_znc | once the machine arrived, you could go look at the box and make note of the serial number(s). you couldn't open the box, though. |
| 17:19.47 | jlp_znc | you had to have IBM support come out and open the box, take the machine, and put it in the rack. |
| 17:19.50 | joshh | sounds like the military |
| 17:20.01 | joshh | or something else with lots of crazy rules |
| 17:20.10 | jlp_znc | data center ops had to run power cords to the machine and network had to run network cables to the machine |
| 17:20.26 | jlp_znc | eventually, you were ready to turn it on. you could actually do that yourself. :-) |
| 17:20.43 | jfindlay | so you had, like 30 people all congregating to replace one blade? |
| 17:21.10 | jlp_znc | no, we replaced chassis at a time, so you had 30 people * the number of virtual machines on the box. |
| 17:21.23 | jlp_znc | it was all handled through remedy, though. |
| 17:21.51 | jfindlay | is that some sort of software thingy that solves everything? |
| 17:22.13 | jlp_znc | when you were ready to cut over to the new box, you had to get approvals all over again and schedule the switchover, which was done on a big conference call with all of the systems/hardware/storage/applications people ready to go. |
| 17:22.47 | joshh | that's unfathomable in the world i live in today |
| 17:23.02 | jlp_znc | yes, remedy is supposed to solve everything. we had a whole staff of people who did nothing but maintain our remedy environment. |
| 17:23.42 | jlp_znc | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMC_Remedy_Action_Request_System |
| 17:24.28 | joshh | we just recently decided to stop buying racks of boxes at a time that anyone could claim and auto provision at any time for any purpose and start having semi-formal hardware requests which are still automated and hope to soon start only buying hardware when we need it |
| 17:25.01 | joshh | also few people even need to think about the hardware at all |
| 17:26.00 | joshh | but inside the datacenter, all the work is done by the techops/neteng teams, or contractors depending on the job |
| 17:26.16 | joshh | but techops/neteng are reasonably fast, hard working, and nice people |
| 17:27.07 | joshh | basically their job is to just get boxes in and online for people to use fast enough that they never have to wait |
| 17:27.19 | joshh | probably about the opposite of ibm |
| 17:27.36 | jlp_znc | :-) |
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| 20:16.59 | unum | I'm setting up wake on lan on these so I can turn them on and run salt and then shut them down |
| 20:17.14 | unum | with out having to make the staff on location running around and turn on 200 computers |
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| 20:21.05 | jlp_znc | why do you have 200 computers if they are going to be sleeping? are they desktops? or on-demand resources? |
| 20:27.16 | jfindlay | he has a sleeping farm |
| 20:27.52 | fozzmoo | Maybe they're bitcoin miners that should be woken up when it's profitable for them to mine again. |
| 20:28.27 | RyanE | yeah, I don't think it works that way. |
| 20:28.31 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 20:28.45 | jfindlay | which way does it work? |
| 20:28.48 | jfindlay | ~napoleon |
| 20:28.49 | infobot | Just listen to your heart. That's what I do. |
| 20:28.56 | RyanE | apropos |
| 20:29.39 | RyanE | it works in a way that it only gets *harder* not like a market when it could possibly be *easier* later. |
| 20:29.50 | RyanE | but of course, you know that. :) |
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| 21:06.46 | unum | they are desktops that are turned off each night |
| 21:07.02 | unum | they are interviewing stations |
| 21:07.29 | unum | we try not to call people between the hours of 9pm and 7am |
| 21:07.32 | unum | :) |
| 21:07.42 | unum | and we actually have about 450 |
| 21:07.51 | unum | just at different locations |
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| 22:52.20 | jlp_znc | sounds like a good use of wake on lan to me. |
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