| 03:22.38 | goozbach | metalog? |
| 03:22.46 | goozbach | centurylink sucks@! |
| 03:22.53 | goozbach | ~karma centurylink |
| 03:22.53 | infobot | centurylink has karma of -15 |
| 03:23.01 | goozbach | ~centurylink-- |
| 03:23.22 | goozbach | goes down *EVERY* night from 7-10'ish |
| 03:23.57 | RyanE | centurylink-- |
| 03:24.00 | RyanE | ~centurylink-- |
| 03:24.30 | goozbach | what are my options for Lehi/AF area? |
| 03:24.41 | goozbach | anthing worthwhile? |
| 03:24.46 | RyanE | Pain and/or Suffering, mostly. :) |
| 03:25.49 | RyanE | I think the choices have always been either fairly slow DSL, fairly fast but not quite as reliable Comcast, or iffy wireless, with no guaranteed speeds. |
| 03:45.13 | TodPunk | Comcast is going to be your best bet in every case where you don't have to deal with customer service, which is most of the time unless you just have a crappy run to your house for some reason |
| 03:45.38 | TodPunk | Just make sure you're aware of the contract and know how to speak professionally where Comcast can not |
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| 05:07.47 | bregalad | metalog is awesome, does what I need, and gets out of the way; much better than the legacy r/k/syslog mess |
| 05:08.52 | bregalad | but now 'everything's going systemD', so I guess anything not systemd is predetermined for obselescence an irrelevance due to systemd's superior binary logging choices |
| 05:13.21 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Find out if Vivint Wireless is available |
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| 14:46.09 | shalkie | eightyeight: I sent you a reply. |
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| 15:21.51 | eightyeight | shalkie: got it. |
| 15:21.56 | eightyeight | so, no concern then |
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| 16:15.55 | jlp_znc | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSr7HPikHog |
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| 16:44.49 | shalkie | eightyeight: No, not on your end. |
| 16:45.13 | eightyeight | kk |
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| 17:37.07 | shalkie | I chose to stay with CLINK on that line instead of CCast because I would rather deal with incompetence over evil. |
| 17:37.23 | shalkie | In the face of this level of incompetence I am starting to rethink it. |
| 17:37.33 | RyanE | interesting how often we have to make a choice between those two. |
| 17:38.21 | shalkie | Well this is for my mother and she is in a Utopia city and they haven't resumed build out. |
| 17:38.37 | shalkie | If that was an option she would have been moved over long ago. |
| 17:40.35 | jlp_znc | shalkie: she's not in Murray, is she? |
| 17:40.48 | Tod-Work | wants to guess Orem |
| 17:40.56 | shalkie | jlp_znc: She is. |
| 17:41.02 | Tod-Work | bah |
| 17:41.05 | jlp_znc | welcome to the neighborhood. |
| 17:42.29 | jlp_znc | 10 years of Utopia in Murray... still not available at my house. |
| 17:43.55 | jalbretsen | jlp_znc - Do you harass UTOPIA often on email and Facebook like I used to do? |
| 17:44.36 | joshh | it won't help |
| 17:44.48 | shalkie | I have, it doesn't help. |
| 17:45.08 | joshh | they just need money and nice politicians, harassing them only makes things worse |
| 17:49.41 | jlp_znc | I do it about once a year or so. |
| 17:51.20 | jlp_znc | I even hassled the mayor about it six years ago. didn't accomplish much. |
| 17:52.05 | jlp_znc | we have a new mayor now... maybe I should try hassling again. |
| 17:53.29 | joshh | snarr is gone? |
| 17:54.18 | jlp_znc | has been for a while now... he retired. |
| 17:54.50 | jlp_znc | ted eyre is the new mayor |
| 17:55.03 | joshh | does he like utopia? |
| 17:55.29 | jlp_znc | he is apparently "committed" to it |
| 17:57.01 | jlp_znc | but I tried to look up utopia access for my sister=in-law's apartment (which is in an area that is connected) and it just rerouted me to "business service" |
| 17:57.14 | jlp_znc | apparently, utopia is only concerned with business services now. |
| 17:58.04 | jalbretsen | They did a bunch of build out in Layton this summer, I was luckily on that road map. Others close by were not and not happy. |
| 17:58.47 | jalbretsen | unfortunately, there are several people running for Layton City Council that don't get it. |
| 17:59.53 | jlp_znc | e.g. I go to utopia site, click "sign up for residential access", enter my sister-in-law's address, it redirects me to "business inquiry" (which requires a business name) |
| 18:00.29 | jalbretsen | one that luckily didn't make it past the primaries insisted that copper was old and only private businesses understand that fiber is the future. I had the pleasure of telling him that UTOPIA understood that 12 years aog |
| 18:00.50 | jlp_znc | I think there is a disconnect between politicians and technology. makes it hard for those of us who live on technology. |
| 18:01.05 | jalbretsen | I wonder if the apartment complex is the "business" |
| 18:02.21 | programmerq | yeah, the disconnect is so huge it's really quite bad. senator hatch is particularly disconnected from technology |
| 18:02.30 | jalbretsen | I had a friend that lived in condo complex in Centerville that said all she could get was Comcast because the HOA signed an agreement with them. Naturally the president that did that worked for the property management company at the time. |
| 18:02.34 | programmerq | and by extension, disconnected from his constituents. |
| 18:03.22 | jalbretsen | programmerq: Which is ironic because in the near future, it may be technology that keeps him alive. |
| 18:03.27 | programmerq | I hear all these stories about people unknowningl getting stuck with comcast. I would never sign a lease or buy a property without knowing what my internet options actually are. |
| 18:04.39 | joshh | because you know enough to know to check |
| 18:05.53 | jalbretsen | hopefully, I'm done buying properties, the one I have now gots the fibers |
| 18:13.12 | programmerq | internet access needs to be demonopalized, and needs to be *much* more accessible. |
| 18:13.22 | programmerq | it needs to be as ubiquitous as electricity-- it isn't. |
| 18:14.41 | jlp_znc | agreed. it's no longer an optional service for many. |
| 18:19.03 | jlp_znc | just kicked off a new e-mail to the new mayor. we'll see what happens. |
| 18:21.46 | jlp_znc | couple of years ago, utopia told me they had a new provider, webwave, that was offering wireless connections into utopia. I just checked out their web site: http://www.webwaveinternet.com/ "No Start Page Could not display this Web Site as no Start Page has been configured." Ugh. |
| 18:22.30 | jlp_znc | page says it is Copyright 2010. Sheesh. |
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| 20:03.08 | jalbretsen | jlp_znc: webwave wanted to put a dish on my employer's building to help service Farmington. All of a sudden the calls to the owner stopped and we never heard from them again |
| 20:04.54 | jalbretsen | sucks, I wonder what happened to them. |
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| 20:31.16 | bregalad | so it looks like TPP goes to congress |
| 20:40.33 | jlp_znc | you can't just throw around TLAs without expanding them, bregalad |
| 21:04.54 | bregalad | jlp_znc: you've never heard of TPP? |
| 21:05.38 | bregalad | https://www.citizen.org/TPP |
| 21:06.08 | bregalad | here's a hint though: it's not about trade |
| 21:07.44 | bregalad | it's about protecting large corporation's interests: enshrining predatory, abusive copyright, patent, trademark law, removing corporate accountability, challenging the sovereignity of nations |
| 21:13.59 | jlp_znc | so of course, it's called something like "protect people from large corporations bill" |
| 21:14.07 | jlp_znc | (I haven't looked at the link yet) |
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| 21:37.52 | romanovic | bregalad: exactly. it's just using trade as leverage to force other countries to implement IP maximalist laws, and other things megacorps want |
| 21:40.17 | romanovic | outside of the democratic process, or even any meaningful oversight, since the negotiation is secret |
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| 21:41.51 | romanovic | "Trade tariffs are a mostly bad idea, and getting rid of them is fine. But the TPP is not about trade. That's just a pretext." https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151005/07013132437/after-pulling-all-nighter-negotiators-finish-tpp-dont-expect-to-see-text-while.shtml |
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| 22:05.58 | jlp_znc | I think we need to lobby congress for a "truth in naming" law... all bills must have names that actually describe what they really are about. any that don't will be automatically stricken. |
| 22:06.21 | jlp_znc | maybe we need a constitutional amendment for this, so we can force congress to do it. |
| 22:06.47 | jlp_znc | how do you go about getting a constitutional ammendment started? |
| 22:08.03 | shalkie | I was once told there was a federal regulation for how long a landline could go without dialtone, does anyone know if that is a thing? |
| 22:09.10 | jsmith | shalkie: Not that I'm aware of... |
| 22:09.22 | jsmith | shalkie: (I'm assuming you're excluding dry pairs) |
| 22:10.25 | shalkie | jlp_znc: The mayors sit on the board and for a while they directed Utopia to focus on business service as it was more lucrative. |
| 22:12.42 | shalkie | jsmith: Yeah, thank you. |
| 22:13.01 | jlp_znc | interestingly, there appears to be a federal regulation that requires that landline providers must process 911 calls even if the landline is not subscribed. |
| 22:13.13 | shalkie | Cell services too. |
| 22:13.59 | shalkie | And that was the loophole I was hoping to take advantage of, my understanding was that they had to keep a basic dialtone for emergency services and it couldn't go without it for longer then 24 or 72 hours. |
| 22:14.33 | jlp_znc | let me see if I can find the reg |
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| 22:22.59 | jlp_znc | it looks like they need to report an outage that lasts longer than 30 minutes, but I don't see anything requiring them to resolve it within a certain period of time. |
| 22:23.20 | jlp_znc | nor does it say that they have to actually have a dialtone on the line... just that it must respond to and route a call placed to 911. |
| 22:23.46 | shalkie | I am going to call the Public Utility Commission folks. I think they have to fix it in 48 hours or less. |
| 22:23.48 | shalkie | http://www.rules.utah.gov/publicat/code/r746/r746-340.htm |
| 22:23.54 | shalkie | If I am reading that correct. |
| 22:24.00 | shalkie | s/rect/rectly/ |
| 22:25.43 | jlp_znc | unless it requires "unusual repair" |
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| 22:35.18 | shalkie | ANd now the public utility folks are all "I don't know about that regulation..." |
| 22:35.32 | shalkie | So now I hold while they decide if it is applicable. |
| 22:42.38 | shalkie | Huh, well I should get an email in the morning tomorrow with an interpetation. |
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